rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> Zooey Zephyr is from MT, so, I have some hope for it.
>
>Zooey was elected by the bluest district in town, mostly populated by
>college types and was good for comic relief.
>
>https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/1172158461/montana-gop-transgender-zooey-
>zephyr-punishment-banned-speaking-lgbtq
>
>https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-montana-rep-zooey-zephyr-
>proposes-girlfriend-queer-prom-rcna83377
>
>
>This isn't Laramie.

I haven't had much interaction with Ms. Zephyr, but I have with Erin
Reed, her partner, they are not "comic relief", they are serious
intellects in the cause for trans rights. You may think it's funny
for them to be who they are, but that'd tend to indicate a quaint
immaturity in yourself, what I call being a "phobe". They are human
beings, and should be taken seriously.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 24 Oct 2024 23:13:30 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:48:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Same thing. Once the raw material is obtained in situ, all the rest
>> requires the full complexity of urban infrastructure to deal with.
>
> Either you don't have a clue or you're defining urban as any place with
> more than 10 people.

That particular point was about oil or coal. Think of all the things you
can do with oil and coal besides burning them: they are rich sources of
thousands of chemicals used for making polymers and other interesting
substances, for a start.

Typically these processes require somewhat more than 10 people.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 09:04:33 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> If welfare were used correctly, it would end up in the hands of the
> farmers who don't always make enough to live by.

Greetings from a country which dismantled the entirety of its farming-
subsidy structure back in the 1980s.

Every time we meet to discuss free-trade agreements with you people, your
negotiators cower in fear at the power of our farming sector.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 09:02:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Unfortunately, the very fact that they are stupid means that they don't
> see how the centralization of power would no less destructive in the
> 21st century as it was in the Roman Empire.

The “Pax Romana” lasted 700 years.

How well is your “empire” doing?

On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-25 1:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-25 5:26 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:09:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering who lives in places like Los Angeles and New York City, I
>>>>>> don't see why anyone would be willing to give them as much power as they
>>>>>> want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should the value of your vote depend on where you live?
>>>>
>>>> Because each state is sovereign and they entered into the Union with
>>>> specific guarantees. Constitutionally the Federal Government is supposed to
>>>> be limited to only a few powers, like defense of the country and a national
>>>> post office. The states are supposed to hold the bulk of the authority over
>>>> their citizens. It would be (and is in practice) tyranny when the Federal
>>>> government oversteps its limitations.
>>>
>>> The stupid want the federal government to have powers that supercede
>>> those of states. In many cases, they already have what they want.
>>> Unfortunately, the very fact that they are stupid means that they don't
>>> see how the centralization of power would no less destructive in the
>>> 21st century as it was in the Roman Empire.
>>
>> The U.S. founders were well aware of the dangers of a tyrannical central
>> government. That's why they allowed gun ownership and checks and balances in
>> the Constitution, freedom of speech and religion.
>>
>> Unfortunately it seems like the Woke get some kind of strange pleasure out
>> of kowtowing to tyrants. I guess control freaks like being control freaked.
>> I don't know why they would, but that seems kind of sick to me.
>
> It is almost as though they were already well aware that with great
> comfort comes great stupidity. Those Romans also allowed their empire to
> crumble when they got too comfortable. As barbarians waited at their
> borders to slaughter them all, Romans fornicated.

Exactly. We're getting to that point a lot quicker than the Romans did.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:05:21 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I find it amusing (and a bit strange) that both the Los Angeles Times
>> and the Washington Post have refused to endorse Kamala Harris. Two of
>> the most Woke newspapers in the country. I don't think Lawrence is going
>> to have to worry about the popular vote and Electoral College splitting
>> in this election, unless there is a WHOLE lot of cheating going on.
>
> I read that about the Post this morning and was surprised. The editor was
> getting ready to endorse her when the word came down from Bezos. Given the
> papers leftward drift since he bought it he can't be worried about losing
> subscribers and I doubt that many people make the connection from the Post
> to Bezos to Amazon that it would trigger an Amazon boycott.
>
> Soon-Shiong was the one who shot down the LA Times endorsement and that's
> less surprising even though he was a Clinton donor. He's a pharma guy and
> Harris may make him nervous.
>
> https://www.newser.com/story/358392/lat-loses-subscribers-more-staff-
> after-endorsement-uproar.html
>
> He cried himself to sleep when Mark Hamil unsubscribed.

In both cases a big chunk of the editoral staff quit. (Which is great.) Even
Victoria Noodleman's husband quit. Excellent.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-25 2:05 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-25 6:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:03:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-10-24 1:35 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>>>>>> happen to them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm
>>>>>>> their crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply,
>>>>>>> no manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to
>>>>>>> supply feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to
>>>>>>> pay the farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The whole system collapses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> City people don't have a monopoly on he production of machines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Machines, including farming machines, are complicated things. Most of the
>>>>> modern ones need to be built with the help of other machines. There need
>>>>> to be support machines for transport (of raw materials, workers, finished
>>>>> products), fuelling, communications etc. And for keeping track of orders
>>>>> and shipments and payments and all that. This is why you don’t see big
>>>>> factories out in the middle of corn fields.
>>>>
>>>> And these machines that make machines aren't made in the cities. When you
>>>> don't what the hell you're talking about, maybe you should just slink away
>>>> and lick your wounds.
>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, getting back to the point: why should the value of your vote
>>>>> depend on where you live? If you believe that all your citizens are
>>>>> “created equal”, then shouldn’t their votes count equally, too?
>>>>
>>>> Because it's done on a state by state level and the votes are equal in each
>>>> state. And the only reason the Electoral College is not completely equal is
>>>> that each state gets two electoral votes, one for each Senator. But many
>>>> states have only one or two Electoral votes based on their representation in
>>>> the House. So New York has 30 Electoral votes. Vermont, Delaware, Wyoming,
>>>> North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, West Virginia, Rhode Island and New
>>>> Hampshire (all together) have 30 votes. That's nine states out 50 who have
>>>> the influence in the presidential race as one state, New York. This is your
>>>> "outsize" advantage? You're clueless. Stick to what you know. I wouldn't
>>>> lecture on the stupidity of the government of New Zealand. Stick your nose
>>>> in your own business.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, you've been told over and over again why the Electoral College is set
>>>> up the way it is. Quit droning on like a broken record about it.
>>>>
>>>> If Trump wins, he'll probalby win both the popular vote and the electoral
>>>> vote anyhow. Than what are you going to whine aobut? You don't change the
>>>> rules midstream.
>>>
>>> The stupid are no better than children which is probably why they always
>>> have temper tantrums whenever anything political doesn't go their way.
>>> Much like children, they will use strawmen and cheat to get what they
>>> want too.
>>
>> They never grew up. They run completely on emotion. Now Trump is supposedly
>> "Hitler." What next, Stalin and Mousie Dung? Or a three-headed combination
>> of all of them? Their strident, unhinged bullshit is not helping their
>> cause.
>>
>> I find it amusing (and a bit strange) that both the Los Angeles Times and
>> the Washington Post have refused to endorse Kamala Harris. Two of the most
>> Woke newspapers in the country. I don't think Lawrence is going to have to
>> worry about the popular vote and Electoral College splitting in this
>> election, unless there is a WHOLE lot of cheating going on.
>
> It sounds to me like even the stupid publications of the world can't
> stomach the Frankenstein they've created and find Harris to embody an
> unacceptable level of stupid.

I think the motive is more selfish. They have access to internal polls and
they know things aren't going well for Harris. They don't want the blowback.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:19:13 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> In both cases a big chunk of the editoral staff quit. (Which is great.)
> Even Victoria Noodleman's husband quit. Excellent.

That accentuates the obvious. 'Facts' aren't reported factually but are
filtered through a left (or right) leaning editorial staff.

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 02:57:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 24 Oct 2024 23:13:30 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:48:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> Same thing. Once the raw material is obtained in situ, all the rest
>>> requires the full complexity of urban infrastructure to deal with.
>>
>> Either you don't have a clue or you're defining urban as any place with
>> more than 10 people.
>
> That particular point was about oil or coal. Think of all the things you
> can do with oil and coal besides burning them: they are rich sources of
> thousands of chemicals used for making polymers and other interesting
> substances, for a start.
>
> Typically these processes require somewhat more than 10 people.

How about 423? Actually that's the entire population. The kids don't work
in the refinery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair,_Wyoming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair,_Wyoming#/media/
File:Sinclair_refinery,_Wyoming.jpg

Bustling city, isn't it? Trust me, there's nothing there but the refinery.
Driving across Wyoming at night is eerie; all you see are the flares
burning off the methane from the wellheads out in the the desert.

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 02:58:49 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 09:04:33 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> If welfare were used correctly, it would end up in the hands of the
>> farmers who don't always make enough to live by.
>
> Greetings from a country which dismantled the entirety of its farming-
> subsidy structure back in the 1980s.
>
> Every time we meet to discuss free-trade agreements with you people,
> your negotiators cower in fear at the power of our farming sector.

It does puzzle me why most of the lamb in the markets comes from New
Zealand. There's a flock of sheep down the road but the owner might get
upset if I shot one and dragged it home.

I will have to agree that family farmers have been forced out since Earl
Butz's 'get big or get out' plan in the '70s. Much of the land is
controlled by subsidized agribusinesses and worked by illegal aliens.

Butz' guiding light was cheap food. Hungry people tend to get pissed off
and break out the pitchforks and torches. Butz was doing good until he
observed all black people want is loose shies, tight pussy, and a warm
place to shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 20:04:02 -0400, Joel wrote:

> I haven't had much interaction with Ms. Zephyr, but I have with Erin
> Reed, her partner, they are not "comic relief", they are serious
> intellects in the cause for trans rights. You may think it's funny for
> them to be who they are, but that'd tend to indicate a quaint immaturity
> in yourself, what I call being a "phobe". They are human beings, and
> should be taken seriously.

Zephyr would have been taken more seriously without the 'blood on your
hands' speech trying to stir up the supporters in the gallery. Setting up
shp on a bench in the hall after being censured was cute, as was the
fracas when a group tried to set on 'her' bench.

On 2024-10-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 10:50:25 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-10-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 05:35:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-10-23 2:56 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you mean “large cities”, those are in fact the backbone of your
>>>>>> economy. The US isn’t an agrarian society any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should the value of someone’s vote depend on where they live?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>>> happen to them?
>>>>
>>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm
>>>> their crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply,
>>>> no manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to
>>>> supply feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to
>>>> pay the farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>>
>>>> The whole system collapses.
>>>
>>> You are so fucking ignorant it's pathetic. Do you really think they
>>> manufacture tractors in New York City, Baltimore, or LA? Harvest the
>>> lumber needed to build houses? Drill wells for oil and gas? Mine coal?
>>
>> I don't think he's ever done any real work in his whole life.
>
> As usual he is talking out of his ass. When I took a break from
> programming in the '90s I drove OTR and went to all of the lower 48 except
> Vermont and Maine, as well as western Canada. I know where I picked up
> manufactured goods or agricultural products and where I took them.
>
> Trucking is sort of like a chess game. When you get a good paying load
> going from Point A to Point B you're also looking ahead to how you're
> going the get a load from Point B. Shippers aren't stupid and realize if
> the loads going out are scarce they can pay less than the actual cost if
> the trucking company wants to get the truck moving. For example I've
> brought a lot of carpet to Denver, either from the mills in GA or imports
> from the LA ports. About the only thing leaving Denver is dog food from
> the Ralston Purina plant. (or people food. It sort of worried me that the
> forklifts came from the same direction).
>
> Particularly in the big eastern cities you'd bounce (run empty) several
> hundred miles to get a load. Take carpet to Brooklyn and you find there is
> absolutely nothing shipped out of Brooklyn. You need to get to rural PA.]

I haven't traveled as much as you, but I've seen a lot of our country, and I
know that Lawrence is absolutely clueless on this subject.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:28:32 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>
>>>> redneck states
>>>
>>>Like every ignoramus in America you mean southern states, right?
>>>
>>>How about we compare Georgia to Michigan (from a post I made here 3
>>>years ago):
>>>
>>>whoops. You smug, delusional Yankees can't beat us 'rednecks'? Why
>>>not?
>>
>>
>> Um, you do remember that Biden won GA, right? I wouldn't so much call
>> your region "redneck" in this context, as it happens. There are people
>> in my state like that, they just aren't in control, but some of these
>> three-electoral-vote states are controlled by them, and that fucks over
>> DC.
>
> You can't be talking about Montana. We've got a whopping 4 EC votes now!
> oorc it was NY's loss of population that freed up a seat. The
> apportionment algorithm is anything but straightforward.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bplt6CQ3MyE

Florida got that vote, I believe.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:12:11 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Dallas is not as bad as Houston, but it was built in a swamp. Go into
> eastern Texas, you'll find hand-sized cockroaches.

Palmetto bugs... Driving across the Florida panhandle my eyes were getting
ready to fall out of my head when I came to a motel in the middle of
nowhere. When I went to the room and turned on the lights it wasn't a
chocolate bonbon on the bed, but the cockroach from hell. I kicked him off
and went to bed.

I went to Texas one year on vacation around the 4th of July, out to San
Antonio, down to Laredo, through Houston and out to Galveston to see what
Gelnn Campbell had been singing about. I took the Bolivar ferry out to the
peninsula and headed east. I felt sorry for the miles and miles of people
baking in the sun waiting to take the ferry west. I don't know if they'd
been better off turning around and driving home.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> I haven't had much interaction with Ms. Zephyr, but I have with Erin
>> Reed, her partner, they are not "comic relief", they are serious
>> intellects in the cause for trans rights. You may think it's funny for
>> them to be who they are, but that'd tend to indicate a quaint immaturity
>> in yourself, what I call being a "phobe". They are human beings, and
>> should be taken seriously.
>
>Zephyr would have been taken more seriously without the 'blood on your
>hands' speech trying to stir up the supporters in the gallery. Setting up
>shp on a bench in the hall after being censured was cute, as was the
>fracas when a group tried to set on 'her' bench.

They tried to silence her for political retaliation, not because she
really did anything wrong, a fellow elected official, it's typical
marginalizing garbage from phobes. Zooey is a wonderful human being,
in reality, and so is Erin.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 25 Oct 2024 20:43:38 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Particularly in the big eastern cities you'd bounce (run empty) several
> hundred miles to get a load. Take carpet to Brooklyn and you find there
> is absolutely nothing shipped out of Brooklyn. You need to get to rural
> PA.]

How did you refuel your truck? Did you pull up to a handy oilfield and
pump it straight from the ground into your tank?

On 2024-10-26 2:16 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-25 1:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-25 5:26 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:09:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering who lives in places like Los Angeles and New York City, I
>>>>>>> don't see why anyone would be willing to give them as much power as they
>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should the value of your vote depend on where you live?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because each state is sovereign and they entered into the Union with
>>>>> specific guarantees. Constitutionally the Federal Government is supposed to
>>>>> be limited to only a few powers, like defense of the country and a national
>>>>> post office. The states are supposed to hold the bulk of the authority over
>>>>> their citizens. It would be (and is in practice) tyranny when the Federal
>>>>> government oversteps its limitations.
>>>>
>>>> The stupid want the federal government to have powers that supercede
>>>> those of states. In many cases, they already have what they want.
>>>> Unfortunately, the very fact that they are stupid means that they don't
>>>> see how the centralization of power would no less destructive in the
>>>> 21st century as it was in the Roman Empire.
>>>
>>> The U.S. founders were well aware of the dangers of a tyrannical central
>>> government. That's why they allowed gun ownership and checks and balances in
>>> the Constitution, freedom of speech and religion.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately it seems like the Woke get some kind of strange pleasure out
>>> of kowtowing to tyrants. I guess control freaks like being control freaked.
>>> I don't know why they would, but that seems kind of sick to me.
>>
>> It is almost as though they were already well aware that with great
>> comfort comes great stupidity. Those Romans also allowed their empire to
>> crumble when they got too comfortable. As barbarians waited at their
>> borders to slaughter them all, Romans fornicated.
>
> Exactly. We're getting to that point a lot quicker than the Romans did.

Well, at least we have some orgies to look forward to. Unless, of
course, they're filled with those fat, ugly, tattooed stupid women.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 2024-10-26 2:21 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-25 2:05 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-25 6:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:03:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-24 1:35 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>>>>>>> happen to them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm
>>>>>>>> their crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply,
>>>>>>>> no manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to
>>>>>>>> supply feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to
>>>>>>>> pay the farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The whole system collapses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> City people don't have a monopoly on he production of machines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Machines, including farming machines, are complicated things. Most of the
>>>>>> modern ones need to be built with the help of other machines. There need
>>>>>> to be support machines for transport (of raw materials, workers, finished
>>>>>> products), fuelling, communications etc. And for keeping track of orders
>>>>>> and shipments and payments and all that. This is why you don’t see big
>>>>>> factories out in the middle of corn fields.
>>>>>
>>>>> And these machines that make machines aren't made in the cities. When you
>>>>> don't what the hell you're talking about, maybe you should just slink away
>>>>> and lick your wounds.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, getting back to the point: why should the value of your vote
>>>>>> depend on where you live? If you believe that all your citizens are
>>>>>> “created equal”, then shouldn’t their votes count equally, too?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it's done on a state by state level and the votes are equal in each
>>>>> state. And the only reason the Electoral College is not completely equal is
>>>>> that each state gets two electoral votes, one for each Senator. But many
>>>>> states have only one or two Electoral votes based on their representation in
>>>>> the House. So New York has 30 Electoral votes. Vermont, Delaware, Wyoming,
>>>>> North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, West Virginia, Rhode Island and New
>>>>> Hampshire (all together) have 30 votes. That's nine states out 50 who have
>>>>> the influence in the presidential race as one state, New York. This is your
>>>>> "outsize" advantage? You're clueless. Stick to what you know. I wouldn't
>>>>> lecture on the stupidity of the government of New Zealand. Stick your nose
>>>>> in your own business.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, you've been told over and over again why the Electoral College is set
>>>>> up the way it is. Quit droning on like a broken record about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Trump wins, he'll probalby win both the popular vote and the electoral
>>>>> vote anyhow. Than what are you going to whine aobut? You don't change the
>>>>> rules midstream.
>>>>
>>>> The stupid are no better than children which is probably why they always
>>>> have temper tantrums whenever anything political doesn't go their way.
>>>> Much like children, they will use strawmen and cheat to get what they
>>>> want too.
>>>
>>> They never grew up. They run completely on emotion. Now Trump is supposedly
>>> "Hitler." What next, Stalin and Mousie Dung? Or a three-headed combination
>>> of all of them? Their strident, unhinged bullshit is not helping their
>>> cause.
>>>
>>> I find it amusing (and a bit strange) that both the Los Angeles Times and
>>> the Washington Post have refused to endorse Kamala Harris. Two of the most
>>> Woke newspapers in the country. I don't think Lawrence is going to have to
>>> worry about the popular vote and Electoral College splitting in this
>>> election, unless there is a WHOLE lot of cheating going on.
>>
>> It sounds to me like even the stupid publications of the world can't
>> stomach the Frankenstein they've created and find Harris to embody an
>> unacceptable level of stupid.
>
> I think the motive is more selfish. They have access to internal polls and
> they know things aren't going well for Harris. They don't want the blowback.

I can only hope that those polls are indeed accurate and that this
cretin doesn't get into power. Otherwise, we'll have the local news talk
endlessly about how the retard in the South used to live and study in
Montreal.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 26 Oct 2024 07:02:55 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> How about 423? Actually that's the entire population. The kids don't
> work in the refinery.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair,_Wyoming

How quaint. Is there a little schoolhouse on top of a hill? Where they
teach all the grades together in one room? With perhaps a laser-optics lab
in a shed out the back?

Is there a village doctor who still makes house calls? With perhaps an NMR
and radiotherapy machine in a corner of the garage somewhere, next to the
corner that is used as the surgical operating theatre? (Pathology? That’s
in the kitchen ... between meals, of course.)

Is there a village tailor who makes all their clothes? A village generator
to supply their electricity? A telephone operator who still connects calls
by hand? A fire service with more than one bucket of sand?

Their own little TV station? Newspaper? Internet service provider?

I could go on, but you should have got the idea by now.

On 2024-10-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:12:11 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Dallas is not as bad as Houston, but it was built in a swamp. Go into
>> eastern Texas, you'll find hand-sized cockroaches.
>
> Palmetto bugs... Driving across the Florida panhandle my eyes were getting
> ready to fall out of my head when I came to a motel in the middle of
> nowhere. When I went to the room and turned on the lights it wasn't a
> chocolate bonbon on the bed, but the cockroach from hell. I kicked him off
> and went to bed.
>
> I went to Texas one year on vacation around the 4th of July, out to San
> Antonio, down to Laredo, through Houston and out to Galveston to see what
> Gelnn Campbell had been singing about. I took the Bolivar ferry out to the
> peninsula and headed east. I felt sorry for the miles and miles of people
> baking in the sun waiting to take the ferry west. I don't know if they'd
> been better off turning around and driving home.

I went to San Antonio once for our anniversary — in February and it was hot
and muggy even in the middle of February.

But one spring we had an extended family get-together in Galveston for a
three days — and the weather was beautiful. I guess, sometimes, it's just the
luck of the draw. They rented houses down there by the beach, by the day (or
week) — I think well before the term "Air B&B" was invented. "Off season"
they weren't all that expensive.

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“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-26, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 25 Oct 2024 20:43:38 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Particularly in the big eastern cities you'd bounce (run empty) several
>> hundred miles to get a load. Take carpet to Brooklyn and you find there
>> is absolutely nothing shipped out of Brooklyn. You need to get to rural
>> PA.]
>
> How did you refuel your truck? Did you pull up to a handy oilfield and
> pump it straight from the ground into your tank?

Do you think the refinieries are in the cities? What delusional world do you
live in?

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“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-26 2:16 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-25 1:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-25 5:26 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:09:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering who lives in places like Los Angeles and New York City, I
>>>>>>>> don't see why anyone would be willing to give them as much power as they
>>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why should the value of your vote depend on where you live?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because each state is sovereign and they entered into the Union with
>>>>>> specific guarantees. Constitutionally the Federal Government is supposed to
>>>>>> be limited to only a few powers, like defense of the country and a national
>>>>>> post office. The states are supposed to hold the bulk of the authority over
>>>>>> their citizens. It would be (and is in practice) tyranny when the Federal
>>>>>> government oversteps its limitations.
>>>>>
>>>>> The stupid want the federal government to have powers that supercede
>>>>> those of states. In many cases, they already have what they want.
>>>>> Unfortunately, the very fact that they are stupid means that they don't
>>>>> see how the centralization of power would no less destructive in the
>>>>> 21st century as it was in the Roman Empire.
>>>>
>>>> The U.S. founders were well aware of the dangers of a tyrannical central
>>>> government. That's why they allowed gun ownership and checks and balances in
>>>> the Constitution, freedom of speech and religion.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately it seems like the Woke get some kind of strange pleasure out
>>>> of kowtowing to tyrants. I guess control freaks like being control freaked.
>>>> I don't know why they would, but that seems kind of sick to me.
>>>
>>> It is almost as though they were already well aware that with great
>>> comfort comes great stupidity. Those Romans also allowed their empire to
>>> crumble when they got too comfortable. As barbarians waited at their
>>> borders to slaughter them all, Romans fornicated.
>>
>> Exactly. We're getting to that point a lot quicker than the Romans did.
>
> Well, at least we have some orgies to look forward to. Unless, of
> course, they're filled with those fat, ugly, tattooed stupid women.

Ugh. Especially the "fat, ugly, tattooed stupid 'women'" who aren't women.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-26 2:21 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-25 2:05 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-25 6:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:03:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-24 1:35 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>>>>>>>> happen to them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm
>>>>>>>>> their crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply,
>>>>>>>>> no manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to
>>>>>>>>> supply feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to
>>>>>>>>> pay the farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The whole system collapses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> City people don't have a monopoly on he production of machines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Machines, including farming machines, are complicated things. Most of the
>>>>>>> modern ones need to be built with the help of other machines. There need
>>>>>>> to be support machines for transport (of raw materials, workers, finished
>>>>>>> products), fuelling, communications etc. And for keeping track of orders
>>>>>>> and shipments and payments and all that. This is why you don’t see big
>>>>>>> factories out in the middle of corn fields.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And these machines that make machines aren't made in the cities. When you
>>>>>> don't what the hell you're talking about, maybe you should just slink away
>>>>>> and lick your wounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, getting back to the point: why should the value of your vote
>>>>>>> depend on where you live? If you believe that all your citizens are
>>>>>>> “created equal”, then shouldn’t their votes count equally, too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it's done on a state by state level and the votes are equal in each
>>>>>> state. And the only reason the Electoral College is not completely equal is
>>>>>> that each state gets two electoral votes, one for each Senator. But many
>>>>>> states have only one or two Electoral votes based on their representation in
>>>>>> the House. So New York has 30 Electoral votes. Vermont, Delaware, Wyoming,
>>>>>> North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, West Virginia, Rhode Island and New
>>>>>> Hampshire (all together) have 30 votes. That's nine states out 50 who have
>>>>>> the influence in the presidential race as one state, New York. This is your
>>>>>> "outsize" advantage? You're clueless. Stick to what you know. I wouldn't
>>>>>> lecture on the stupidity of the government of New Zealand. Stick your nose
>>>>>> in your own business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, you've been told over and over again why the Electoral College is set
>>>>>> up the way it is. Quit droning on like a broken record about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Trump wins, he'll probalby win both the popular vote and the electoral
>>>>>> vote anyhow. Than what are you going to whine aobut? You don't change the
>>>>>> rules midstream.
>>>>>
>>>>> The stupid are no better than children which is probably why they always
>>>>> have temper tantrums whenever anything political doesn't go their way.
>>>>> Much like children, they will use strawmen and cheat to get what they
>>>>> want too.
>>>>
>>>> They never grew up. They run completely on emotion. Now Trump is supposedly
>>>> "Hitler." What next, Stalin and Mousie Dung? Or a three-headed combination
>>>> of all of them? Their strident, unhinged bullshit is not helping their
>>>> cause.
>>>>
>>>> I find it amusing (and a bit strange) that both the Los Angeles Times and
>>>> the Washington Post have refused to endorse Kamala Harris. Two of the most
>>>> Woke newspapers in the country. I don't think Lawrence is going to have to
>>>> worry about the popular vote and Electoral College splitting in this
>>>> election, unless there is a WHOLE lot of cheating going on.
>>>
>>> It sounds to me like even the stupid publications of the world can't
>>> stomach the Frankenstein they've created and find Harris to embody an
>>> unacceptable level of stupid.
>>
>> I think the motive is more selfish. They have access to internal polls and
>> they know things aren't going well for Harris. They don't want the blowback.
>
> I can only hope that those polls are indeed accurate and that this
> cretin doesn't get into power. Otherwise, we'll have the local news talk
> endlessly about how the retard in the South used to live and study in
> Montreal.

If Harris wins, the First Amendment is toast. Basically the whole
Constitution (and Bill of Rights) go down the drain.

She won't win, but they might cheat her into office (like Biden).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-26, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 26 Oct 2024 07:02:55 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> How about 423? Actually that's the entire population. The kids don't
>> work in the refinery.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair,_Wyoming
>
> How quaint. Is there a little schoolhouse on top of a hill? Where they
> teach all the grades together in one room? With perhaps a laser-optics lab
> in a shed out the back?
>
> Is there a village doctor who still makes house calls? With perhaps an NMR
> and radiotherapy machine in a corner of the garage somewhere, next to the
> corner that is used as the surgical operating theatre? (Pathology? That’s
> in the kitchen ... between meals, of course.)
>
> Is there a village tailor who makes all their clothes? A village generator
> to supply their electricity? A telephone operator who still connects calls
> by hand? A fire service with more than one bucket of sand?
>
> Their own little TV station? Newspaper? Internet service provider?
>
> I could go on, but you should have got the idea by now.

I guess, coming from an island, which is basically a collection of small
towns, and one mid-sized city, you're conflating "town" with "city." The
towns in the U.S. are mostly NOT Democrat strongholds. And it's in the towns
(or their surrounding countryside) where all this stuff is made that the
cities, like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle, Portland, etc., use.
It's those cities that would control the whole country if mob rule was
allowed in the U.S. — not the places where things are actually made and
electricity is actually generated, etc.

Again, you're showing your complete ignorance about how things work in the
U.S. And your ego is too swelled up to admit it. Learn something about the
United States. Get past your obstinate ignorance. Escape from your
delusions. Than come back and lecture us on how our country runs.

In other words, get a clue. Once you've obtained one, then apply your
vacuous snark to your idiot arguments.

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“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-27 3:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-26 2:21 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-25 2:05 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-25 6:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:03:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-24 1:35 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>>>>>>>>> happen to them?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm
>>>>>>>>>> their crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply,
>>>>>>>>>> no manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to
>>>>>>>>>> supply feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to
>>>>>>>>>> pay the farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The whole system collapses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> City people don't have a monopoly on he production of machines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Machines, including farming machines, are complicated things. Most of the
>>>>>>>> modern ones need to be built with the help of other machines. There need
>>>>>>>> to be support machines for transport (of raw materials, workers, finished
>>>>>>>> products), fuelling, communications etc. And for keeping track of orders
>>>>>>>> and shipments and payments and all that. This is why you don’t see big
>>>>>>>> factories out in the middle of corn fields.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And these machines that make machines aren't made in the cities. When you
>>>>>>> don't what the hell you're talking about, maybe you should just slink away
>>>>>>> and lick your wounds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, getting back to the point: why should the value of your vote
>>>>>>>> depend on where you live? If you believe that all your citizens are
>>>>>>>> “created equal”, then shouldn’t their votes count equally, too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because it's done on a state by state level and the votes are equal in each
>>>>>>> state. And the only reason the Electoral College is not completely equal is
>>>>>>> that each state gets two electoral votes, one for each Senator. But many
>>>>>>> states have only one or two Electoral votes based on their representation in
>>>>>>> the House. So New York has 30 Electoral votes. Vermont, Delaware, Wyoming,
>>>>>>> North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, West Virginia, Rhode Island and New
>>>>>>> Hampshire (all together) have 30 votes. That's nine states out 50 who have
>>>>>>> the influence in the presidential race as one state, New York. This is your
>>>>>>> "outsize" advantage? You're clueless. Stick to what you know. I wouldn't
>>>>>>> lecture on the stupidity of the government of New Zealand. Stick your nose
>>>>>>> in your own business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, you've been told over and over again why the Electoral College is set
>>>>>>> up the way it is. Quit droning on like a broken record about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Trump wins, he'll probalby win both the popular vote and the electoral
>>>>>>> vote anyhow. Than what are you going to whine aobut? You don't change the
>>>>>>> rules midstream.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stupid are no better than children which is probably why they always
>>>>>> have temper tantrums whenever anything political doesn't go their way.
>>>>>> Much like children, they will use strawmen and cheat to get what they
>>>>>> want too.
>>>>>
>>>>> They never grew up. They run completely on emotion. Now Trump is supposedly
>>>>> "Hitler." What next, Stalin and Mousie Dung? Or a three-headed combination
>>>>> of all of them? Their strident, unhinged bullshit is not helping their
>>>>> cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it amusing (and a bit strange) that both the Los Angeles Times and
>>>>> the Washington Post have refused to endorse Kamala Harris. Two of the most
>>>>> Woke newspapers in the country. I don't think Lawrence is going to have to
>>>>> worry about the popular vote and Electoral College splitting in this
>>>>> election, unless there is a WHOLE lot of cheating going on.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds to me like even the stupid publications of the world can't
>>>> stomach the Frankenstein they've created and find Harris to embody an
>>>> unacceptable level of stupid.
>>>
>>> I think the motive is more selfish. They have access to internal polls and
>>> they know things aren't going well for Harris. They don't want the blowback.
>>
>> I can only hope that those polls are indeed accurate and that this
>> cretin doesn't get into power. Otherwise, we'll have the local news talk
>> endlessly about how the retard in the South used to live and study in
>> Montreal.
>
> If Harris wins, the First Amendment is toast. Basically the whole
> Constitution (and Bill of Rights) go down the drain.
>
> She won't win, but they might cheat her into office (like Biden).

I'm not convinced that she won't, to be very honest with you. I have no
faith whatsoever in the American elections. There's a lot I don't like
about America.

In fact, I just read that Major League Soccer wants to change the
schedule to make it more like that of Europe. In other words, the season
would go from August to May rather than March to September. Of course,
this would kill CF Montréal since our weather wouldn't allow it. I
should be upset, but the news actually delighted me because it would
force the team to change the Canadian Premier League instead. Ticket
prices would go down, games would play on cable channels rather than
Apple TV and most wouldn't care because it's still the same sport. For
me, it would actually be better since it would be a wholly Canadian
product.

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CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.