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* "You may not..."DFS
+* Re: "You may not..."rbowman
+* Re: "You may not..."Chris Ahlstrom
|`* Re: "You may not..."chrisv
| +- Re: "You may not..."Andrzej Matuch
| `- Re: "You may not..."RonB
`* Re: "You may not..."Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 `- Re: "You may not..."Stéphane CARPENTIER

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Subject: "You may not..."
From: DFS
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GPL 3

1 propagate or modify a covered work except as expressly provided under
this License.

2 impose any further restrictions on the exercise of the rights granted
or affirmed under this License.

3 impose a license fee, royalty, or other charge for exercise of rights
granted under this License

4 initiate litigation (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a
lawsuit) alleging that any patent claim is infringed by making,
using, selling, offering for sale, or importing the Program or any
portion of it.

5 convey a covered work if you are a party to an arrangement with a
third party that is in the business of distributing software, under
which you make payment to the third party based on the extent of your
activity of conveying the work, and under which the third party
grants, to any of the parties who would receive the covered work from
you, a discriminatory patent license (a) in connection with copies of
the covered work conveyed by you (or copies made from those copies),
or (b) primarily for and in connection with specific products or
compilations that contain the covered work, unless you entered into
that arrangement, or that patent license was granted, prior to 28
March 2007.

6 If you cannot convey a covered work so as to satisfy simultaneously
your obligations under this License and any other pertinent
obligations, then as a consequence you may not convey it at all.

Win 11 Pro

1 By accepting this agreement or using the software, you agree to all
of these terms, and consent to the transmission of certain
information during activation and during your use of the software as
per the privacy statement described in Section 3. If you do not
accept and comply with these terms, you may not use the software or
its features.

2 Section 2c: Installation and Use Rights - Restrictions
you may not (and you may not permit any other person or entity to):
(i) use or virtualize features of the software separately;
(ii)  publish, copy (other than the permitted backup copy), rent,
lease, or lend the software;
(iii) transfer the software (except as permitted by this agreement);
(iv)  work around any technical restrictions or limitations in the
software;
(v)   use the software as server software or to operate the device as
a server, except as permitted under Section 2(d)(iii) below;
use the software to offer commercial hosting services; make the
software available for simultaneous use by more than one user
over a network, except as permitted under Section 2(d)(vi)
below; install the software on a server for remote access or
use over a network; or install the software on a device for use
only by remote users;
(vi)  reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the software, or
attempt to do so, except and only to the extent that the
foregoing restriction is (a) permitted by applicable law; (b)
permitted by licensing terms governing the use of open-source
components that may be included with the software; or (c)
required to debug changes to any libraries licensed under the
GNU Lesser General Public License that are included with and
linked to by the software; and
(vii) when using Internet-based features you may not use those
features in any way that could interfere with anyone else’s use
of them, or to try to gain access to or use any service, data,
account, or network, in an unauthorized manner.

3 transfer the software to share licenses between devices.

4 bypass or circumvent activation

5 under this limited warranty, under any other part of this agreement,
or under any theory, recover any damages or other remedy, including
lost profits or direct, consequential, special, indirect, or
incidental damages.

6 use such [limited rights] versions of the software for commercial,
non-profit, or revenue-generating activities.

7 sell the [evaluation] software, use it in a live operating
environment, or use it after the evaluation period.

8 sell software marked as “NFR” or “Not for Resale”.

The Windows EULA is a straightforward legal contract, while the GPL is a
pile of nonsense.

Subject: Re: "You may not..."
From: rbowman
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 17:01 UTC
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On Thu, 16 May 2024 07:57:50 -0400, DFS wrote:

MIT License

Copyright <YEAR> <COPYRIGHT HOLDER>

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a
copy of this software and associated documentation files (the “Software”),
to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation
the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense,
and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the
Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED “AS IS”, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL
THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING
FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER
DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.

Zero-Clause BSD

Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for
any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED “AS IS” AND THE AUTHOR DISCLAIMS ALL
WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES
OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE
FOR ANY SPECIAL, DIRECT, INDIRECT, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY
DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN
AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT
OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE.

WTFPL license

DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
Version 2, December 2004
Copyright (C) 2004 Sam Hocevar <sam@hocevar.net>

Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified
copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long
as the name is changed.
DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION

0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.

The Apache license looks like the lawyers had their hands in it but cut
through the boilerplate and it's another permissive license.

https://gustavopinto.medium.com/why-the-mit-license-is-much-more-used-
then-gpl-3-2b3fa4271d6b

Subject: Re: "You may not..."
From: Chris Ahlstrom
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DFS wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> GPL 3
>
> <snip>
>
> Win 11 Pro
>
> <snip>
>
> The Windows EULA is a straightforward legal contract, while the GPL is a
> pile of nonsense.

First... Apples and oranges. A general license applicable to all GPL'ed
software whether for usage or development, versus a specific product license
restrictly solely to usage. You can't change a byte of Windows code yourself.

Second... You are free to choose GPL 2 if desired, as Linus Torvalds has done.
It's a bit less restrictive.

And you actually simplified it a bit, as there are also GNU Free Documenation
and Library GPL licenses.

If I were you, Winboi, I'd hire an attorney :-D

--
Your own qualities will help prevent your advancement in the world.

Subject: Sue me.
From: Relf
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Relf License: Sue me.

Subject: Re: "You may not..."
From: chrisv
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> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> The Windows EULA is a straightforward legal contract,

....which is all about preserving Micro$oft's rights, at the expense of
yours.

>> while the GPL is a pile of nonsense.

....according to a ridiculous troll who lives in an upside-down world.

Back in the real world, it's facilited the availability of tons of
great software and has had an enormously positive impact upon the
world.

--
Advocate: Even Torvalds used [the GPL] for his kernel, and I don't
think he regrets it.

"Hadron" Quack, lying shamelessly: Yes he does.

Subject: Re: "You may not..."
From: Andrzej Matuch
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On Thu, 16 May 2024 16:29:50 -0500, chrisv wrote:

>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>
>>> The Windows EULA is a straightforward legal contract,
>
> ...which is all about preserving Micro$oft's rights, at the expense of
> yours.

+1
>>> while the GPL is a pile of nonsense.
>
> ...according to a ridiculous troll who lives in an upside-down world.
>
> Back in the real world, it's facilited the availability of tons of great
> software and has had an enormously positive impact upon the world.

There is no denying that. Not only has it allowed for hardware to last
longer and for people to do more with the hardware (because softtware you
would have to pay for is available for free, legally), it has neutralized
any form of bullying the corporations could have done against up-and-
coming businesses, small nations and regular people. The mere fact that
Linux is around is what allows Cuba to circumvent unfair embargoes to keep
up technologically, allowed Russia to laugh as both Microsoft and Apple
decided to blacklist the nation in addition to allowing Google to quickly
respond to iOS to create a competing operating system any manufacturer
could use to compete in the smartphone market. For me, open-source is what
has alowed for Usenet to stay alive as the only tools available to access
the forums some asshole American politician decided to kill are open-
source.

Subject: Re: "You may not..."
From: RonB
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On 2024-05-16, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>
>>> The Windows EULA is a straightforward legal contract,
>
> ...which is all about preserving Micro$oft's rights, at the expense of
> yours.
>
>>> while the GPL is a pile of nonsense.
>
> ...according to a ridiculous troll who lives in an upside-down world.
>
> Back in the real world, it's facilited the availability of tons of
> great software and has had an enormously positive impact upon the
> world.

Yeah, but it doesn't make DFS money. He's made it clear repeatedly that this
is his number one priority with software.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Subject: Re: "You may not..."
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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On Thu, 16 May 2024 07:57:50 -0400, DFS wrote:

> (iv)  work around any technical restrictions or limitations in the
> software;
>
> ...
>
> The Windows EULA is a straightforward legal contract ...

Seems like the above clause doesn’t actually allow you to add any features
that the OS doesn’t already have.

Subject: Re: "You may not..."
From: Stéphane CARPENTIER
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Le 17-05-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On Thu, 16 May 2024 07:57:50 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> (iv)  work around any technical restrictions or limitations in the
>> software;
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The Windows EULA is a straightforward legal contract ...
>
> Seems like the above clause doesn’t actually allow you to add any features
> that the OS doesn’t already have.

It's easier that way. You are not allowed to change anything, so you
don't work on it and there is nothing to restrict on the modifications
you couldn't have done.

With the GPL, on the other side, it's more difficult because you provide
your changes mixed with the initial code. So it needs to define how your
work can be prevail on the code provided by others.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
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