On 1/3/25 7:06 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
>>> What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
>>
>> Yes. Absolutely it does.
>>
>> Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
>> vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition
>> of a modern Puritanism.
>>
>> Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't
>> get you blacklisted.
>>
>> Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
>> being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
>
> This is the truth. What we are seeing is a big reaction against the mind
> virus. In europe, a big part of the reaction is against immigration and
> eco-fascism.

Civilized, esp SANE, behavior DOES get you
fired these days ... or at least before
Trump 2.0 ... LOTS of examples.

On 1/3/25 9:09 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 04/01/2025 01:36, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> You probably wouldn't have so much immigration in Europe if the people
>> in charge in the United States weren't so determined to start wars
>> everywhere.
>
> Actually, its mainly Russia and Iran behind it all these days

Correct.

The USA is inherently isolationist ... would rather NOT
mess around with any other countries. There's "Here"
and "Over There".

But 'complications' develop. Reality WILL bite
you in the ass sometimes.

US 'domination' has never been very "imperial", more
'soft', 'economic'. We WILL compete for biz, but
DON'T want to invade/occupy your country unless things
just go all to shit.

Right NOW, there's kind of a lot of "all to shit"
so .........

When China blockades Taiwan ... then it's REAL SHIT
and I don't know what, if anything, we will/can do.
Our capabilities are mostly fake these days, all
pomp and posturing. No money for ye olde Cold
War 'defense'.

On 1/4/25 12:48 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 22:29:13 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> I knew a guy who made bumpers out of two large wooden utility poles
>> he'd cut to size and shape. Older Chevy 3500 series. Looked 'rugged',
>> kinda 'back-country'. Damned things were a good 8" thick and about
>> 12" tall. No little old lady was gonna so much as dent them in a
>> parking-lot oopsie.
>
> It would make sense around here where the deer and the antelope play -- in
> the road. Scratch the antelope. They're lightweights. It the elk and moose
> that can really do a number.

Some time back, my mother went on a bus tour. A little
way into NS and a bull moose decided to challenge the
bus. Straight-on impact. Saw the oix - totally tore off
the right-front tire/suspension. Damned thing probably
weighted 2000 pounds.

It did not survive - but neither did the bus.

> I had a deer riding on the hood of my last Toyota. No fatal damage. The
> hood still closed although it had a new sculpted look and a few nylon ties
> took care of the plastic pieces.

Deer, esp in the Lower-48, have become a Real Hazard.
From about North Carolina on up a BIG hazard. The
'conservationists' insisted on blocking hunting deer
and now there are a zillion of them. They do NOT
'get' automobiles.

Oh ... there's a live police show ... "On Patrol Live".
Lately there was some perp and his girlfriend on a
motorcycle trying to flee at high speed. Somewhere
on a country track a deer abruptly leaped from the
bushes and T-boned the bike. End of chase :-)

On 12/27/24 7:39 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-28 00:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is
>>> that good.
>>
>> If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather not give
>> money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that money to
>> the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
>
> How do you know if I already do, or don't?

As I said earlier ... some of the developer groups
have UNSAFE-seeming ways of contributing. It's
essentially a random web page that wants your CC
number. Can't tell if it's real, can't tell if
they, or monitoring Russians, won't rip you off.

The fix is a PHYSICAL ADDRESS that you can send
something like a money order to. A MO doesn't
have any of your bank routing numbers or anything
on it - so at most you'd lose just THAT amount
of money and no more.

Pass it along.

On 1/3/25 3:10 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2025-01-03 09:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 03/01/2025 13:56, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-03 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 02/01/2025 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and
>>>>>>> Nobara,
>>>>>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics,
>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
>>>>>>> especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
>>>>>>> offers a
>>>>>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
>>>>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the
>>>>>>> widgets
>>>>>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
>>>>>> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
>>>>> application will press the Windows key and then type the name of
>>>>> what they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's
>>>>> how I do it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree
>>>>> with their design choice.
>>>>>
>>>> Odd, since MATE - a superset of GNOME - expects you to use a menu.
>>>> Its very XP like.
>>>>
>>>> And since XP was what I was running when I switched entirely to
>>>> Linux, I didn't have to relearn very much at all..
>>>
>>> We are talking about GNOME _now_ not then.
>>>
>> Fairy Nuff. I have no idea what it is now, but MATE is still built on
>> gnome3  libraries AFAIK
>> And was a sort of fork of gnome2 desktop
>
> I always thought that MATE used GTK2. If it indeed uses GTK3, all the
> better.

GTK3 is a little better.

MATE isn't horrible, but it's still not my fave.
LXDE is my fave - JUST ENOUGH GUI. It's small
and it's sane and does what you need the way
you'd expect. Somewhere between the Win-2k
and XP experience.

DID like Win-2K ... still have it in a VM and
DO use it sometimes. Still ran 8/16 ... a big
advantage for people who love 'antique'-ware.
Nice simple GUI with few frills.

On 1/4/25 2:29 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-01-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>
>> Most ALL code of any size and scope can be "improved".
>> If not 'security' then streamlining. And yes, some of
>> the basic algos go all the way back to young Bill Gates.
>> They used to have contests - who could do what in the
>> least number of bytes/cycles. Bill often won.
>
> The tricks he used would get people fired now.

Heh ... maybe ... but then was then :-)

WORTH looking at. Fat-ware CAN be seriously
streamlined IF anybody bothers.

As for Bill's code - probably STILL in a lot
of stuff, almost unmodified.

>> (and then the blood-signed contract ... :-)
>
> I remember shooting someone out of the saddle when
> she claimed that Lord Bill was a programming genius.
> He was no such thing - but he was a _marketing_ genius.

I'll say he was a 'programming genius' ... but
even MORE a 'marketing genius'.

The little trick he pulled on IBM ... turned
into BILLIONS .......

I own a Tandy 'laptop'-like unit ... WAY before
real laptops ... it's got everything you need,
a crude word-processor and spreadsheet and BASIC
and stuff PLUS a couple of serial/modem interfaces.
It was a big fave with international news reporters
because you could compose yer stuff, plug into most
any standard phone line, and send it. Gates wrote
most of the code ... allegedly the LAST code he
ever personally wrote for a system.

ANYhow ... Bill didn't START as 'evil' ...

I'll give him THAT much slack.

On 1/3/25 7:27 AM, -hh wrote:
> On 1/3/25 6:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 03/01/2025 11:45, D wrote:
>>> No I think it is just because someone pulled in
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy. Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked
>>> into it, found it way to annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder
>>> of why I stopped reading that group.
>>
>> Yup. Ain't that the truth.
>
> Yup, its a product of crossposting.  Things change and USENET just
> doesn't have the audience it did 30 years ago to have groups have
> sufficient critical mass to sustain (on- or off-topic) dialogs/

USENET isn't what it was ... has kinda fallen off
the proverbial radar. IMHO this is kinda GOOD.

Shit ... when I first got into Usenet the AI guru
Minsky used to post to the AI groups - things were
respectable then.

>> Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
>
> Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.

Well ... 'tool', yes ... but ALSO a 'philosophy',
a way of looking at things. Lin is NOT Win.

> Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
> understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
> swimming against uses where other solutions are better.

Well, Win is MOSTLY 'weaknesses' ....

> For example, take a new digital camera: wouldn't it be nice to not have
> to wait a year to read its new RAW file format?  Most folk just want
> pics, so they choose a platform where its supported on launch, not to
> have to sit down to DIY write & test a 3rd party driver first.

Linux, and esp BSD Unix, are always a bit behind
the driver curve. However I've never found that to
be a major inconvenience. Much stuff just doesn't
change that quickly anymore.

> Meantime, my New Year's Resolution is to tweak my Linux NAS; seems that
> it needs a better RAM cache to not bottleneck on network, and those
> parts are due to arrive this weekend. I'll have to look around to see if
> I have some spare NVMEs to change up its disk cache while I'm at it too.
>  If that doesn't resolve things, then its probably time to look to some
> network gear to move some nodes from 1GbE to 10GbE.

Done lots of NAS over the years. Used packages
and kinda wrote my own too.

Yes, 'tweaks' can help - a LITTLE.

However, if you really try to benchmark it, the
tweaks don't REALLY add much but complication
and ops for failure.

So, from my long experience, stick close to
'vanilla' and you'll do OK and not SUFFER.

Oft unrealized gem these days - OpenMediaVault.
It's become a very complete NAS system yet is
still kinda 'light' code-wise. DO note that
you can't just write randomly to its files
because the system won't index it - will not
think your direct writes exist. Gotta set up
like SMB shares in scripts or whatever that
ref it's 'approved' shares. THEN it'll work.

On 1/3/25 3:16 PM, chrisv wrote:
> -highhorse wrote:
>
>> Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
>>
>> Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
>> understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
>> swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
>
> Of course, -highhorse is lying. He's a trolling asshole who gets-off
> on attacking decent, reasonable people. His solutions are better, by
> gum, and he'll ridicule anyone who thinks otherwise.
>
> According to the -highhorse troll, "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates
> who cut corners prefer to use, rather than a quality product."

M$/Apple are the "sloppy" products ....

On 1/4/25 1:27 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw
>> it in a garage many decades ago.
>
> Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority brand
> in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really strange beasts
> like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo on every block
> while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.

In the early 80s I saw a Saab that LOOKED almost
like a Ferrari - deep deep met blue, just beautiful.

On 12/31/24 10:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 01:40:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
>
>> Biggest assholes where I live are Tesla owners, Dodge Hemi and Mustang
>> owners.
>> It used to be Land/Range Rover people but things have changed.
>
> When you pul up behind a F-250 with imitation bull testicles dangling from
> the trailer hitch you have a good idea what you're dealing with.

Got stuck in southern Kentucky once behind a Ford Courier
with a likely 1000 pound hog in the back. Every time it
would twitch its ass the whole vehicle would wobble :-)

That 'truck' had REAL balls hangin out the back ! :-)

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:56:46 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> The USA is inherently isolationist ... would rather NOT mess around
> with any other countries. There's "Here" and "Over There".

OH c'mon. "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.."
Jefferson was most likely exceeding his constitutional authority messing
around North Africa to protect private shipping interests. For a country
that 'would rather not mess around with other countries' it has messed
around with almost every other country in the world.

Sometimes the justifications are hilarious like McKinley's little
missionary activity.

" Unaware that the Philippines were the only predominantly Catholic nation
in Asia, President McKinley said that American occupation was necessary to
"uplift and Christianize" the Filipinos."

https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=3&psid=1257

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 03:45:13 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> ANYhow ... Bill didn't START as 'evil' ...

His letter to the computer club bitching about people using HIS BASIC was
a good start on evil.

On 04/01/2025 07:30, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> In short, the 'racism' picture even in the southern
>   USA was not as simple and monolithic as the usual
>   rhetoric/media likes to portray. Reality would not
>   be as 'politically useful'.

I found the same in South Africa.

Very complex relationships. Much affection on both 'sides'

But the Rooinek Afrikaner farmer who told me at a party that 'they don't
have *souls*, you know' summed it up. He had dogs, he had cats and he
had Africans. All more or less wild creatures to be looked after.

It was all falling apart anyway, but the Marxists came along, stirred it
up, taught everyone hatred, and made a great big disaster, and have been
in power ever since., although there are signs that the Africans and
other 'races' are falling out of love with them.

The most salient thing I learnt was that the white European/American
'liberals' had absolutely no frickin idea of what it was all about.

They just jumped on the simplistic bandwagon of 'political emancipation'
achieved it, and then dumped the whole mess into the hands of the people
living there.

It's important to remember that the Africans who became slaves were the
ones that were too fat or too stupid to run away when the next door
tribe came to 'harvest' them and sell them for cash.

The ones that stayed are pretty damned smart.

--
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
who pay no price for being wrong.”

Thomas Sowell

On 04/01/2025 06:16, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:06:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
>>> Negro has also become a symbol word.
>>
>> You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means
>> 'black'.
>
> The best PC invention is latinx. It sounds like something you take when
> you haven't shit in three days. I don't even think the latinx people care
> for it. Indian is touchy too. Some are into 'Native American', some
> aren't.
Well calling them Indians was a mistake made by some twat who thought
the world was a lot smaller than it turned out to be. And he had sailed
west to India...

An alarming number of words are mistranslations and corruptions.

--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."

- Leo Tolstoy

On 04/01/2025 06:27, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw
>> it in a garage many decades ago.
>
> Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority brand
> in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really strange beasts
> like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo on every block
> while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.

Penis envy

--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."

- Leo Tolstoy

On 04/01/2025 07:56, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> The USA is inherently isolationist ... would rather NOT
>   mess around with any other countries. There's "Here"
>   and "Over There".

Till some guy drives a truck into you and it turns out it's all about
'over there'

Like the UK in the 19th century, the average American has no idea how
much of his peace prosperity and wealth comes from hard noised
businessmen backed up by thin red lines of very tough men indeed,
operating in far off countries.

The UK learnt that there is no 'over there' after all.

--
The higher up the mountainside
The greener grows the grass.
The higher up the monkey climbs
The more he shows his arse.

Traditional

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 07:27:46 -0500, -hh wrote:

>
>> Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
>
> Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
>

Your limited mind certainly would come to that simplistic conclusion.

A computer is *not* a tool -- it is a meta-tool. IOW, it is a tool
that is used to create other tools. A computer is akin to a grand
piano. By itself it does nothing; it requires a consummate virtuoso
to bring forth its potential.

(Note: YOU are not a consummate virtuoso. YOU are a subservient
user of simple tools.)

GNU/Linux allows the computing virtuoso to shine. GNU/Linux
embodies the most efficient design and structure for the most
effective computing.

Microslop/Apphole does not. Microslop/Apphole are made only to feebly
empower idiots and retards -- like YOU.

>
> For example, take a new digital camera: wouldn't it be nice to not have
> to wait a year to read its new RAW file format? Most folk just want
> pics, so they choose a platform where its supported on launch, not to
> have to sit down to DIY write & test a 3rd party driver first.
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Another whopper from the mind
of a simpleton!

Remember film cameras? Did the user of a Brand X film camera have
to buy Brand X film and then send his exposed rolls off to Brand X
for development? No. Film from any camera could be taken to any
corner drug store for processing. All cameras used the same film
that used the same processing.

It should be the same with digital cameras, but the grubbing camera
makers have found a way to capture their users (and milk their money)
by creating unique RAW formats for each brand.

There is nothing exceptional about the RAW format. Nikon, for example,
uses the standard TIFF image format with the addition of a few extra
proprietary tags. That's all. But those extra tags make the format
essentially closed and that's all Nikon, and the other makers, want.

The specs for these RAW formats could easily be published to allow
the public, and FOSS, to write their own software.

I want to use GNU/Linux to process my images and not junk Microslop/
Apphole.

The camera manufacturers are to blame and they should be assailed
with lawsuits, boycotts, and whatever else it would require to
cease their egregious exploitation.

But instead they have craven apologists like you that defend
their despicable actions.

>
> Meantime, my New Year's Resolution is to tweak my Linux NAS
>

Linux should include code that would halt all execution
on the hardware of infidels.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 03/01/2025 18:37, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/3/25 11:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science
>>>>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why:  its anthropometric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
>>>>> changed
>>>>
>>>> This source disagrees:
>>>>
>>>>      https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
>>>>
>>>> Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article
>>>> mentions that
>>>> as well.
>>>>
>>>> It's an interesting read.
>>>
>>> Well I will merely quote from the Wiki:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
>>>
>>> "Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea level
>>> today is very near the *lowest level ever attained*  (the lowest level
>>> occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million years ago)."
>>>
>>> "Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000
>>> calendar years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an
>>> acceleration of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and 1900
>>> AD."
>>>
>>> *Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
>>
>> Yes, the rate of raise was nearly stable **before** the Industrial Age.
>>
>> Which is the point:  the contemporary acceleration in the rate of rise is a
>> change, and it is coincident with the advent of the Industrial Age.
>>
> But LONG before any distinctive rise in CO2, which really dint start until
> post WWII
>
> So no correlation with CO2 at all.
> Try not to be a climate denier

Actually, now that you reiterated the point, it was never countered by Mr
hh.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
>> Negro has also become a symbol word.
>
> You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means
> 'black'.

Are you saying that the woke establishment, and 99% of non-english
speakers in europe are uneducated?? ;)

I always try to explain the difference between nigger and negro, but
apparently that difference is beyond most, if not all people today. =/

On 1/3/25 8:57 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 03/01/2025 18:37, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/3/25 11:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard
>>>>>> science
>>>>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why:  its
>>>>>> anthropometric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
>>>>> changed
>>>>
>>>> This source disagrees:
>>>>
>>>>      https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
>>>>
>>>> Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article
>>>> mentions that
>>>> as well.
>>>>
>>>> It's an interesting read.
>>>
>>> Well I will merely quote from the Wiki:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
>>>
>>> "Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea
>>> level today is very near the *lowest level ever attained*  (the
>>> lowest level occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250
>>> million years ago)."
>>>
>>> "Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000
>>> calendar years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to
>>> an acceleration of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850
>>> and 1900 AD."
>>>
>>> *Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
>>
>> Yes, the rate of raise was nearly stable **before** the Industrial Age.
>>
>> Which is the point:  the contemporary acceleration in the rate of rise
>> is a change, and it is coincident with the advent of the Industrial Age.
>>
> But LONG before any distinctive rise in CO2, which really dint start
> until post WWII

You have a lot relying on that qualifier of "distinctive", because there
was indeed a rise in global CO2 prior to WW2: from 1000 AD to 1850, it
was essentially steady at ~280 ppm, but between 1860-1900, it rose +5%
to 295 ppm in just 50 years.

And yes, it did grow faster thereafter: it is characteristic of an
Exponential growth curve: 1950 was 310 ppm, another +5% since 1900 (and
+11% from 1850) and 2000 was 370 ppm, another +20%.

<https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide>

<https://www.co2levels.org>

> So no correlation with CO2 at all.
> Try not to be a climate denier

Incorrect, for the correlation is present and is positive.

I think that you're just trying to incorrectly conflate the now-visible
exponential growth trend of an input (CO2 ppm) to the less visible
growth trend of the output mentioned here of sea level rise, which has a
huge response lag in addition to conflation factors. From an endpoint,
seawater has a huge thermal capacity and sea level rise relies on
water's thermal expansion coefficient, so it effectively has been
integrated twice vs what's being used as the system input. Likewise,
the input of CO2 is time-dependent too, as its mode is via an
accumulation of atmospheric heat trapping over time. Plus there also
was conflating factors too. One that gathered more recent research
attention was that of atmospheric particulates that were effectively
causing a response lag, as they provide a transient cooling effect which
didn't become sufficiently apparent until air pollution start to be
cleared until the 1970s, and more so after 2012 when shipping bunker
fuel sulphur levels were cleaned up...the latter's effect's change has
been most noticeable over the north Atlantic ocean & more definitive
proof of the anthropmetric contribution.

-hh

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 04/01/2025 00:47, D wrote:
>> I would think that eco-fascists would also demonstrate against
>> crypto-mining, but no, airplanes, who release ridiculously small amounts of
>> CO2, that's apparently the problem.
>
> The moment you realise that the green movement is not rational, but
> emotional, you realise it can have no real substance, or they wouldn't have
> to use emotional arguments.

This is the truth. It also beautifully illustrates their leftism. The left
relies only on emotional arguments, since it cannot be supported by
logical arguments and also not by modern economic science. Emotional
arguments are the only ones left to them, and they work beautifully. =(

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/3/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:41:35 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> I had a similar experience a week or so ago. I was sitting in a
>>> supermarket parking lot in my new QX60 when the daughter of the guy who
>>> parked to the left of me decided to open her car door wide and smack my
>>> vehicle.
>>
>> That's something I have to watch very carefully. I've got a 2 door
>> hatchback and the doors are wide enough to allow a hypothetical person to
>> get in the back seat. I folded the back seats forward the day I took
>> delivery of the car so that's a moot point but sometimes to avoid contact
>> I have to slither out through a partially open door. When they layout
>> parking lots for maximum volume they ignore about 50% of the vehicles will
>> be oversized pickups that really makes the situation worse.
>
>
> A common 'zoning' req for biz is to have x-number
> of "parking spaces". So, they mark 'em out for
> Mini-Coopers - not Expeditions.

This is the truth! And in europe, a new requirement is to have at least N
% parking spaces for electric cars, making the spaces for regular cars
even fewer in number. The war in regular car owners is well underway.

It was funny... in the mainstream news, media and the politicians are
wringing their hands about the fact that electric car sales are dropping.

The "journalist" asked an old woman why she doesn't just buy an electric
car with all the great benefits. The old woman replied that it is so
expensive she cannot afford it, and the journalist looked as if he had
never even thought about the fact that elderly, young and the lower
classes of society might think that an electric car is too expensive.

Clearly the rubble can sit on busses while the politicians zip along in
taxis and electric cars.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/3/25 7:49 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 12:30:44 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> Reminds me of old Saabs. Those had what you could call a bumper!
>>>
>>> What era? The only Saab I drove was a girlfriend's. It was a 92 or maybe a
>>> 93, I forget which. It did have a bumper of sorts.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagmar_bumper
>>>
>>> Those were bumpers!
>>>
>>> Trivia: The Dagmar the bumpers were named after was an actress's stage
>>> name that went back to a TV show we alwayes watched, 'Mama', aobut an
>>> extended Norwegian family.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_(American_TV_series)
>>
>> This is a beautiful bumper:
>>
>> https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fe%2Fe5%2FSaab_900_GLE_%282%29_%28crop%29.jpg&sp=1735951735T1b8aa114fd353d88b4d34fd3554f5b9455c5317dadea52d972489e1e4be614a0
>> .
>>
>> I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw it
>> in a garage many decades ago.
>
> Old truck I owned, fitted 8x2 'C'-beam as rear bumper.
>
> A common trick at the time was for perps to fake a
> 'rear-end accident' using a stolen car - and when
> you got out they'd all jump you. I think someone
> tried that on me once ... just left 'em in the road,
> barely scratched the paint on the bumper :-)

You are a wise man! =)

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
>> What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
>
> Yes. Absolutely it does.
>
> Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of vicious
> intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition of a modern
> Puritanism.
>
> Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't get
> you blacklisted.
>
> Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like being
> told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.

This is the truth. What we are seeing is a big reaction against the mind
virus. In europe, a big part of the reaction is against immigration and
eco-fascism.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 03/01/2025 11:32, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
>>>>
>>>> What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
>>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
>>>
>>> The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
>>> regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
>>> complain about "woke tyranny".
>>>
>>
>> That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and
>> unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or just
>> plain conservative. That's a woke abomination in open source and is exactly
>> what leads to the culture wars and cancellations we have.
>
> 'woke' is Marxism rebranded. It uses all the old Marxist AgitProp techniques
> which some of us are very familiar with.

You are preaching to the choir. It has always been about defining an in
group and an outgroup to stir up hatred, to mobilize the masses, for the
benefit of the people at the top (so much for no ownership... who owns the
power?). When the working classes got too rich, the logic is simple...
find new classes. Immigrants, colors, the environment, gender etc. And
just apply the same game plan, stir up hatred, and benefit at the top, by
mobilization of unthinking, emotional masses.

> It's not about manners, it's about political power, and the destruction of
> societal norms and cultural history. Its about the creation of dissent and
> hatred.

This is the (obvious) truth!

> It is probably funded indirectly by the FSB. As an asymmetric war technique
> to promote the destruction of freedom and democracy - Russia's greatest
> threat.

Somehow I think they lost control over the movement. It is fun to see the
wringing of hands of a lot of communists and socialists from the 60s who
were "all in" russia, and to see them explain what's happening there now.

It is also fun to see how the previous leader of the swedish communist party
(vänsterpartiet) praised Venezuela as a new paradise on earth, and how the
mainstream media now is carefully forgetting that, as well as how the
previous leader selectively forgot, or perhaps it was that they didn't do
it right that time. ;)

> A knew a communist very well at University. He explained how communists were
> going to infiltrate every single organisation over his lifetime. It's called
> the by a communist (Rudi Dutschke) who is now a member of the EU, 'The long
> march through the institutions'. The aim was/is to destroy existing society
> and replace it with a new communist one as the first step towards a socialist
> Utopia.
>
> I have watched it happen,.

Ah! You have watched swedish universities and public media? The game plan
has been fairly successfully played out. What they did not count on was
social media and alternative media. They also never counted on the sweden
democrats, which means that their control i slipping.

> Finally people have woken up.

Well, I'd say there's an awakening. I do not know if I would go so far as
to say woken up.

> And elected a complete arsehole whose one saving grace is that he is not
> 'woke'

Tsss... he's the immortal leader of the white race! And you dare call him
that??