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Subject: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: Farley Flud
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 12:57 UTC
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Low quality people don't read books.

Name the book or books that you are currently reading.

Here's mine:

"The Philosophy of Space and Time," Hans Reichenbach
Dover Publications, 1958

"The Shape of Space," Jeffrey R. Weeks
Chapman and Hall, 2019

Now list yours.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Here come the "Alien Space Invaders From Planet Slime."

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Don't go away mad, just go away.

--
Hail Linux! Hail FOSS! Hail Stallman!

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: Joel
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Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> wrote:

>Low quality people don't read books.
>
>Name the book or books that you are currently reading.
>
>Here's mine:
>
>"The Philosophy of Space and Time," Hans Reichenbach
>Dover Publications, 1958
>
>"The Shape of Space," Jeffrey R. Weeks
>Chapman and Hall, 2019
>
>Now list yours.
>
>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
>Here come the "Alien Space Invaders From Planet Slime."
>
>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
>Don't go away mad, just go away.

Fuckin' geek nerd, who has time for reading a God damn book, I read
this screen. Action.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: DFS
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 13:45 UTC
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On 1/9/2025 7:57 AM, Low Quality Larry Piet wrote:

> Low quality people ...

Live off their Mom their entire lives.

Exceptionally low quality people have no shame about doing so.

You're exceptionally low quality.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: vallor
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On Thu, 09 Jan 2025 12:57:06 +0000, Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux>
wrote in <1819078b4e833630$34272$1948878$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:

> Low quality people don't read books.
>
> Name the book or books that you are currently reading.
>
> Here's mine:
>
> "The Philosophy of Space and Time," Hans Reichenbach
> Dover Publications, 1958
>
> "The Shape of Space," Jeffrey R. Weeks
> Chapman and Hall, 2019
>
> Now list yours.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> Here come the "Alien Space Invaders From Planet Slime."
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> Don't go away mad, just go away.

When someone makes these sorts of blurts, I suggest they run:

$ /usr/libexec/xscreensaver/xjack

....and then stare at the screen until they are enlightened.

ObLinux: later on today, we're setting up Mrs. vallor's new Linux
workstation in her office. It already has Mint 21.3 on it, but
I'm bumping that up to Mint 22 for better WiFi happiness. Still
going to use X11, with XFCE, and adding Cairo Dock so she doesn't
feel like a stranger.

Her own Logitech X52 Pro HOTAS is ready to be plugged in for Elite
Dangerous Odyssey goodness. We had it running on her iMac before (under
Windows), and she's already flown successfully. Also keeping an eye on
Microsoft Flight Sim 2024 for when it gets a little more stable on Linux.

Fine, I'll answer your question:

Last tech book I read was _UNIX: A History and a Memoir_ by Brian
Kernighan, which I finished on our flight to Costa Rica.

Currently reading _Ecolitan Prime_ by L.E. Modesitt, Jr. The Missus was
interested in my description of a murder mystery set on the moon, so we're
about to read _The Patchwork Girl_ in our very own "book club of two".

A lot of people do plenty of reading nowadays -- it's just at their
computer instead of dead trees, and it's not always dry textbooks.

--
-v ASUS TUF Dash F15 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3060 Mobile
OS: Linux 5.15.0-130-generic Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 15.9G
"Going the speed of light is bad for your age."

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: -hh
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On 1/9/25 8:52 AM, vallor wrote:
> ...
>
> ObLinux: later on today, we're setting up Mrs. vallor's new Linux
> workstation in her office. It already has Mint 21.3 on it, but
> I'm bumping that up to Mint 22 for better WiFi happiness. Still
> going to use X11, with XFCE, and adding Cairo Dock so she doesn't
> feel like a stranger.
>
> Her own Logitech X52 Pro HOTAS is ready to be plugged in for Elite
> Dangerous Odyssey goodness. We had it running on her iMac before (under
> Windows), and she's already flown successfully. Also keeping an eye on
> Microsoft Flight Sim 2024 for when it gets a little more stable on Linux.

My obLinux update is that the NAS's RAM upgrade went fine. Still
haven't gotten around to benchmarking any performance changes yet.

> Fine, I'll answer your question:
>
> Last tech book I read was _UNIX: A History and a Memoir_ by Brian
> Kernighan, which I finished on our flight to Costa Rica.
>
> Currently reading _Ecolitan Prime_ by L.E. Modesitt, Jr. The Missus was
> interested in my description of a murder mystery set on the moon, so we're
> about to read _The Patchwork Girl_ in our very own "book club of two".
>
> A lot of people do plenty of reading nowadays -- it's just at their
> computer instead of dead trees, and it's not always dry textbooks.

The newly updated (new commentaries by Jason Zweig) 3rd Edition of
Benjamin Graham's "The Intelligent Investor"...

plus Lawson Wood's "Shipwrecks of the Cayman Island". It reportedly had
information on a particular site, but appears to have been incorrect.

-hh

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Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> Low quality people don't read books.
>
> Name the book or books that you are currently reading.
>
> Here's mine:
>
> "The Philosophy of Space and Time," Hans Reichenbach
> Dover Publications, 1958
>
> "The Shape of Space," Jeffrey R. Weeks
> Chapman and Hall, 2019
>
> Now list yours.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> Here come the "Alien Space Invaders From Planet Slime."
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> Don't go away mad, just go away.

I've been checking out 2 to 3 books every 3 weeks, roughly, from the local
library. I won't list the books, but they involve mostly stuff related to one
science or another.

Occasionally a book won't pan out, and I'll stop reading it.

A man ought to read just as inclination leads him, for what he reads as a
task will do him little good. -- Samuel Johnson

--
Give all orders verbally. Never write anything down that might go into a
"Pearl Harbor File".

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: Farley Flud
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 11:05:16 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>
> I've been checking out 2 to 3 books every 3 weeks, roughly, from the local
> library. I won't list the books, but they involve mostly stuff related to one
> science or another.
>

That's great!

But the local library is not the best source for books, i.e.
e-books (all books nowadays are e-books).

I won't tell you how, but you should be able to acquire any
book published in the last 75-years (a lot have been scanned)
gratis within 20 minutes or so.

Information wants to be free and it shall be free.

Thanks to GNU/Linux, it is possible for anyone to produce
a publication quality book and then publish the same on
a web site.

The only problem is the cranks.

For example, on sci.physics, a notorious crank with the nym
"Archimedes Plutonium" has actually published books on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/stores/Archimedes-Plutonium/author/B089QBZX8W

Only a fool would ever buy them.

But publishing now belongs to the individual author and not
the grubbing publishing companies.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: Farley Flud
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On 9 Jan 2025 13:52:26 GMT, vallor wrote:

>
> Last tech book I read was _UNIX: A History and a Memoir_ by Brian
> Kernighan, which I finished on our flight to Costa Rica.
>

Great!

>
> Currently reading _Ecolitan Prime_ by L.E. Modesitt, Jr.
>

I don't approve of fiction.

The world in which we exist is far too stimulating to have
to waste time with (someone else's) fantasies.

>
> A lot of people do plenty of reading nowadays -- it's just at their
> computer instead of dead trees, and it's not always dry textbooks.
>

Of course, idiot.

All books nowadays are e-books.

And what is "dry" to you is stimulating to others.

But the claim that "a lot of people do plenty of reading" should be
modified to "a lot of people read unedifying trash."

FTFY.

Now get back to your comics.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: rbowman
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On Thu, 09 Jan 2025 20:59:03 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> But the local library is not the best source for books, i.e.
> e-books (all books nowadays are e-books).

The local library has a large digital collection. There is an app, libby,
that allows you to search the collection and download the books. Some go
directly to the libby app, others are routed to your kindle via Amazon.

https://libbyapp.com/interview/welcome#doYouHaveACard

The new library has considerably more floor space than the old, including
a maker space, av, childrens' area, meeting rooms, a demo kitchen area,
and so forth. I'm not convinced there are any more hardcopy books than
before the move but they're not as crowded on the shelves.

Even before the new library digital material, including DVDs, was slowly
growing in importance.

Back in the '60s one of my senior projects was sort of a thought
experiment on how automated information retrieval in a library could be
implemented. The assumption was the data would be on microfiche. About 15
years ago when the library installed a DVD retrieval system something like
the defunct RedBox kiosks it looked very familiar.

Like many technical advancements the idea was there but it had to wait on
components to become available like aviation waited on light weight power
sources.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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On 1/9/25 6:57 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> Low quality people don't read books.
>
> Name the book or books that you are currently reading.
>
> Here's mine:
>
> "The Philosophy of Space and Time," Hans Reichenbach
> Dover Publications, 1958
>
> "The Shape of Space," Jeffrey R. Weeks
> Chapman and Hall, 2019
>
> Now list yours.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> Here come the "Alien Space Invaders From Planet Slime."
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> Don't go away mad, just go away.
>
>

1- جشنها، آداب، و معتقدات زمستان، جلد دوم، استانهای آذربایجان و همدان
نویسنده: سید ابوالقاسم انجوی شیرازی، ۲۰۰۰

Finished the first volume late December. I read this in bed before
falling asleep.

2- جغرافیای تاریخی شمیران، جلد اول. نویسنده: دکتر منوچهر ستوده، ۱۹۹۲

I read that mostly when sitting around the wood stove relaxing. I
haven't found the second volume yet.

3- ادب و اخلاق در ایران پیش از اسلام، نویسنده: دکتر محمد محمدی، ۱۹۷۳

I read that also around the wood stove. It has two versions, one the
original which is backed with documents and papers, and the other
written for young adults, or the "laymen" which is just the gist of the
matter. I'm reading both because the scientific one is often times
beyond my means and background.

4- : Georg Reimann ورزش طبی، رمز تندرستی و تناسب اندام، نویسنده (first
printing, early 1950s, translated from German in 1930s)

A Pilates book. I read it everyday for Pilates workout. Sometimes twice
a day, but at least once a day.

5- I am a strange loop, by Douglas Hofstadter, 2011.

I started this recently. I read it also in bed before falling asleep.
The stuff he discusses, when you try to pay attention closely, does make
one sleepy and helps you go to sleep. The book is not about sleep. Hehe :)

5- And several reference material of all types of course which I read
only on demand.

What the others here read? My educated guess: Penis X.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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On 1/9/25 2:59 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
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>
>
>
> I won't tell you how, but you should be able to acquire any
> book published in the last 75-years (a lot have been scanned)
> gratis within 20 minutes or so.
>
> Information wants to be free and it shall be free.
>
>

You mean in the English language. No?

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 11:05:16 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been checking out 2 to 3 books every 3 weeks, roughly, from the local
>> library. I won't list the books, but they involve mostly stuff related to one
>> science or another.
>>
>
> That's great!
>
> But the local library is not the best source for books, i.e.
> e-books (all books nowadays are e-books).

I have "purchased" some books from Barnes and Noble. Including some old science
fiction. "Bug Jack Barron", "Space War Blues", "A Feast Unknown", "Lord Tyger".

Plenty of good reads available on Project Gutenberg and Project Gutenberg
Australia. I have a soft spot for the (predictable) adventures of
Edgar Rice Burroughs.

Often enough a book can be found in PDF format by simple googling.

> I won't tell you how, but you should be able to acquire any
> book published in the last 75-years (a lot have been scanned)
> gratis within 20 minutes or so.

I downloaded the famous "Gravitation" book (Kip Thorne et al) but now
they inundate me with spam.

> Information wants to be free and it shall be free.

Nonetheless, sometimes a hardcopy purchased from a publisher is best.
For example, Michael Kerrisk's 1000-page book on "The Linux Programming
Interface". Easy to search and far easier to move back and forth.
Not to mention one can glance between two pages easily.

> Thanks to GNU/Linux, it is possible for anyone to produce
> a publication quality book and then publish the same on
> a web site.
>
> The only problem is the cranks.
>
> For example, on sci.physics, a notorious crank with the nym
> "Archimedes Plutonium" has actually published books on Amazon:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/stores/Archimedes-Plutonium/author/B089QBZX8W
>
> Only a fool would ever buy them.
>
> But publishing now belongs to the individual author and not
> the grubbing publishing companies.

Nonetheless, sometimes a hardcopy purchased from a publisher is best.

When I lived in LA, I would go to this place, now, sadly, closed:

https://www.yelp.com/biz/opamp-technical-books-los-angeles-2

--
Laugh and the world thinks you're an idiot.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:01:57 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Nonetheless, sometimes a hardcopy purchased from a publisher is best.
> For example, Michael Kerrisk's 1000-page book on "The Linux Programming
> Interface". Easy to search and far easier to move back and forth.
> Not to mention one can glance between two pages easily.

I do miss that part of hardcopy books. While you can bookmark electronic
texts it isn't the same. For programming books code examples may be poorly
formatted or difficult to read.

Hardcopy doesn't need batteries either. When the power was out for six
days last summer sitting under the tree reading real books was a nice
switch.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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On 10 Jan 2025 20:26:04 GMT, rbowman wrote:

>
> Hardcopy doesn't need batteries either. When the power was out for six
> days last summer sitting under the tree reading real books was a nice
> switch.
>

Can't you afford a fucking generator?

An intelligent person requires tens of thousands of books and that
would equate to several TONS of "hardcopy."

No mudslides, hurricanes, earthquakes, or tornadoes could destroy
a house as quickly as several tons of "hardcopy" books.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 10 Jan 2025 20:26:04 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Hardcopy doesn't need batteries either. When the power was out for six
>> days last summer sitting under the tree reading real books was a nice
>> switch.
>
> Can't you afford a fucking generator?
>
> An intelligent person requires tens of thousands of books and that
> would equate to several TONS of "hardcopy."

The books are required *serially*.

> No mudslides, hurricanes, earthquakes, or tornadoes could destroy
> a house as quickly as several tons of "hardcopy" books.

Whatever. I don't need a ton of hardcover books. Just a few key ones that I
count on fairly often (Linux, C++ mainly).

When I was a teenager I had a bookshelf full of books. As I moved from place to
place I pared the number down substantially.

--
If it ain't baroque, don't phiques it.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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On 1/10/25 2:39 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On 10 Jan 2025 20:26:04 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>>
>> Hardcopy doesn't need batteries either. When the power was out for six
>> days last summer sitting under the tree reading real books was a nice
>> switch.
>>
>
> Can't you afford a fucking generator?
>
> An intelligent person requires tens of thousands of books and that
> would equate to several TONS of "hardcopy."
>
> No mudslides, hurricanes, earthquakes, or tornadoes could destroy
> a house as quickly as several tons of "hardcopy" books.
>
>
>
>

Some types of books must be in hardcopy. Math books. Physics books.
Computer programming books. Grammar books. It has to do with what you do
with it.

I do a lot with a hardcopy book that enriches it and turns it into an
extremely useful and fast reference. The electronic forms lack that
feature. And the four types I mentioned, are just the ones that require
such treatment.

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:39:30 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> On 10 Jan 2025 20:26:04 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>
>> Hardcopy doesn't need batteries either. When the power was out for six
>> days last summer sitting under the tree reading real books was a nice
>> switch.
>>
>>
> Can't you afford a fucking generator?'

Sure, but why? The stove is gas. I didn't have that much in the
refrigerator that really needed to be there. I don't have A/C. In July
it's light until around 10 PM. I had plenty of drinking water.

> An intelligent person requires tens of thousands of books and that would
> equate to several TONS of "hardcopy."

I've probably read tens of thousands of books in my life. I certainly
don't have to own them. As is, I've got too damn many.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 19:24:07 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

>
> Some types of books must be in hardcopy. Math books. Physics books.
> Computer programming books. Grammar books. It has to do with what you do
> with it.
>

Why? What do you do with them?

Decent PDF, or other ebook, software should allow the addition
of notes, comments, attachments, and a lot of other stuff directly
into the e-file. In fact, one could add huge amounts of commentary
to an e-book, commentary that would normally be hidden but could be
invoked via a popup window, and this is something that could never
be done with a paper book.

Some people will claim that a paper book is more comfortable to read
and this was my conclusion when I first began reading e-books.
But over time I have grown so accustomed to the e-book format that
I actually greatly prefer e-bboks over the paper kind.

Also, building a library of paper books may be a satisfying accomplishment
but then try relocating to a different home or apartment. One will
need to hire 100-ton cranes and 18-wheel flatbed trucks to move the
load.

>
> I do a lot with a hardcopy book that enriches it and turns it into an
> extremely useful and fast reference. The electronic forms lack that
> feature.
>

See above.

With experience, one can learn to do the same sorts of enrichment to
e-books that would even be more useful and faster.

Paper books, like photographic film and vinyl music recordings, are
dead. Currently they may be a "walking dead" but it is only a
matter of time before they collapse completely.

This is the new world, the new age, and the new way. One must learn
to do everything digitally.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: Stéphane CARPENTIER
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: Mulots' Killer
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Le 09-01-2025, Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> a écrit :
> Low quality people don't read books.

I already knew you don't read books.

> Here's mine:
>
> "The Philosophy of Space and Time," Hans Reichenbach
> Dover Publications, 1958
>
> "The Shape of Space," Jeffrey R. Weeks
> Chapman and Hall, 2019

I don't believe that. Maybe you found them, but you don't read them.
Just turning the pages isn't reading. You just can't understand them.

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Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: Stéphane CARPENTIER
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Le 09-01-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
> On 9 Jan 2025 13:52:26 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>> Currently reading _Ecolitan Prime_ by L.E. Modesitt, Jr.
>>
>
> I don't approve of fiction.

Of course, you can't approve anything what's important. Fiction help
develop imagination. And the imagination is the most important thing for
an artist. And imagination is the most important thing for a scientist.
Which explains why, unlike your continuous claims, you are not an
artist.

> The world in which we exist is far too stimulating to have
> to waste time with (someone else's) fantasies.

You found time to waste staring blankly at your computer trying to
compile your kernel. At least, developing your imagination would help
you to improve the quality of your insults.

> Of course, idiot.

You se? Once again. No imagination. No quality. Nothing but the same
word used again and again.

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Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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Le 10-01-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
> An intelligent person requires tens of thousands of books and that
> would equate to several TONS of "hardcopy."

You see? You proved, once again, that you don't read book, in your
entire life you would struggle to only read the titles of tens of
thousands of books. Reading them all is impossible. There is no way, you
don't have the time to. It's impressive that each claim you do about
yourself is a proof of your lie.

--
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Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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On 11 Jan 2025 11:50:00 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>
> Of course, you can't approve anything what's important. Fiction help
> develop imagination.
>

Only during childhood during those periods that we call "play."

Play is fiction -- living fiction.

But then eventually childhood, and the concurrent playing, will
end. We then become adults and turn our attention to the
real, objective world. There is no more play. There is no
more fiction.

A lot of people, including YOU, never had much of a chance
at childhood play. They, including YOU, were far too supervised
and inhibited. Consequently, they, and YOU, can only begin
to freely play, through fiction, as adults. It's sad.
It's pathetic.

Now get back to your games, little boy (i.e. idiot).

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

--
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Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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Le 11-01-2025, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>
> I've probably read tens of thousands of books in my life.

I don't believe that. It would mean a book each day of your life. It
would mean you do almost nothing else than reading in your life. So, it
would mean being paid to read books. A book a week is something a good
reader could do but it means spending almost all of his spare time
reading. And it's doesn't count in tens of thousands of books, but in
thousands.

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Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
From: Joel
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Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>On 11 Jan 2025 11:50:00 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Of course, you can't approve anything what's important. Fiction help
>> develop imagination.
>
>Only during childhood during those periods that we call "play."
>
>Play is fiction -- living fiction.
>
>But then eventually childhood, and the concurrent playing, will
>end. We then become adults and turn our attention to the
>real, objective world. There is no more play. There is no
>more fiction.
>
>A lot of people, including YOU, never had much of a chance
>at childhood play. They, including YOU, were far too supervised
>and inhibited. Consequently, they, and YOU, can only begin
>to freely play, through fiction, as adults. It's sad.
>It's pathetic.
>
>Now get back to your games, little boy (i.e. idiot).
>
>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

You're describing being a workaholic, not general adultness.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Low Quality People: The Proof
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On 1/11/25 5:08 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 19:24:07 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Some types of books must be in hardcopy. Math books. Physics books.
>> Computer programming books. Grammar books. It has to do with what you do
>> with it.
>>
>
> Why? What do you do with them?
>
> Decent PDF, or other ebook, software should allow the addition
> of notes, comments, attachments, and a lot of other stuff directly
> into the e-file. In fact, one could add huge amounts of commentary
> to an e-book, commentary that would normally be hidden but could be
> invoked via a popup window, and this is something that could never
> be done with a paper book.
>
> Some people will claim that a paper book is more comfortable to read
> and this was my conclusion when I first began reading e-books.
> But over time I have grown so accustomed to the e-book format that
> I actually greatly prefer e-bboks over the paper kind.
>
> Also, building a library of paper books may be a satisfying accomplishment
> but then try relocating to a different home or apartment. One will
> need to hire 100-ton cranes and 18-wheel flatbed trucks to move the
> load.
>
>
>>
>> I do a lot with a hardcopy book that enriches it and turns it into an
>> extremely useful and fast reference. The electronic forms lack that
>> feature.
>>
>
> See above.
>
> With experience, one can learn to do the same sorts of enrichment to
> e-books that would even be more useful and faster.
>
> Paper books, like photographic film and vinyl music recordings, are
> dead. Currently they may be a "walking dead" but it is only a
> matter of time before they collapse completely.
>
> This is the new world, the new age, and the new way. One must learn
> to do everything digitally.
>
>
>
>
>

For one, electronic books chain you to a desktop and from there to your
electric receptacles on the wall, your house, the electric company, and
whether you have paid your electric bill or not.

Or in case of a laptop, you're chained to its ability to get charged,
therefore to those funky power receptacles on them which soon go bad and
get flaky and useless. I have THREE laptops sitting somewhere, useless,
that those receptacles went bad on them and after ordering them a few
times and installing new ones in place the boards themselves began to
get flaky where those tiny power connection sockets are soldered to it.

Or in case of a smartphone, you're chained to the craziest tiny screen
designed for teenagers, and gay men to shove them up their asses when
they get the urge.

The only electronic choice you have is really with the desktop, and it
may not look like it but it is as big as the whole power grid in your
region.

Is that clumsier to use, or using a book the size of a book?

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