"Yeah.. I tried giving Linux a shot and it just ended up being a hassle
and a headache. Finding fixes and asking for help online was one of the
worst experiences I ever had. Almost everyone that I spoke to just ended
up being rude. Also, having some games I own and some games with
anti-cheat not working out of the box is a huge dealbreaker for me. I'm
not dual booting for 2 or 3 games... I might as well just stick to
Windows.."

comment by
@funfriend18 2 days ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY1ZVdR81M8

So, Microsoft has gained one more defector from the Linux world.

Yay Microsoft. Baby steps, baby steps ...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> So, Microsoft has gained one more defector from the Linux world.
>
> Yay Microsoft. Baby steps, baby steps ...
>

Which "distro"?

On Mon, 12/23/2024 6:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> So, Microsoft has gained one more defector from the Linux world.
>
> Yay Microsoft. Baby steps, baby steps ...
>

As promotional videos go, that's pretty bad.
Not recommended.

Since Christmas is coming, let's get Bing Crosby going.
Get your CD ready. Have you been naughty or have you been nice ?
This test will find out.

https://dylanbeattie.net/2024/05/27/running-corel-linux-on-qemu.html

"This is where it gets interesting: the Cirrus VGA driver provided
by QEMU displays garbled text until we get into the OS and hack it,
but we can’t do that until we’ve got it installed, so we’ll need to
walk through the installation without being able to read anything."

https://archive.org/details/corel_linux_1.2

Paul

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>"Yeah.. I tried giving Linux a shot and it just ended up being a hassle
>and a headache. Finding fixes and asking for help online was one of the
>worst experiences I ever had. Almost everyone that I spoke to just ended
>up being rude. Also, having some games I own and some games with
>anti-cheat not working out of the box is a huge dealbreaker for me. I'm
>not dual booting for 2 or 3 games... I might as well just stick to
>Windows.."
>
>comment by
>@funfriend18 2 days ago
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY1ZVdR81M8

Wintendo works more easily in some ways, than Linux. I would dare say
it's worth the effort, though, to have a system free of Microsoft.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-23 17:16, DFS wrote:
>
> "Yeah.. I tried giving Linux a shot and it just ended up being a hassle
> and a headache. Finding fixes and asking for help online was one of the
> worst experiences I ever had. Almost everyone that I spoke to just ended
> up being rude. Also, having some games I own and some games with anti-
> cheat not working out of the box is a huge dealbreaker for me. I'm not
> dual booting for 2 or 3 games... I might as well just stick to Windows.."
>
> comment by
> @funfriend18  2 days ago
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY1ZVdR81M8

Yeah, there is nothing that can be done about the anti-cheat. Those
titles require TPM to be enabled despite the fact that on the AMD side
at least, it is messy. For such people, console gaming is probably the
smarter choice.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

On 2024-12-24 10:57, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>
>> "Yeah.. I tried giving Linux a shot and it just ended up being a hassle
>> and a headache. Finding fixes and asking for help online was one of the
>> worst experiences I ever had. Almost everyone that I spoke to just ended
>> up being rude. Also, having some games I own and some games with
>> anti-cheat not working out of the box is a huge dealbreaker for me. I'm
>> not dual booting for 2 or 3 games... I might as well just stick to
>> Windows.."
>>
>> comment by
>> @funfriend18 2 days ago
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY1ZVdR81M8
>
>
> Wintendo works more easily in some ways, than Linux. I would dare say
> it's worth the effort, though, to have a system free of Microsoft.

It's worth the effort if you don't feel the need to replace your
computer every three years or if you feel like getting proper support or
a smooth experience during those three years. The way Windows PC
manufacturers disregard your issues once they've already gotten your
money is shocking. If they didn't have to offer a warranty, I'm sure
they wouldn't.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>On 2024-12-24 10:57, Joel wrote:
>>
>> Wintendo works more easily in some ways, than Linux. I would dare say
>> it's worth the effort, though, to have a system free of Microsoft.
>
>It's worth the effort if you don't feel the need to replace your
>computer every three years or if you feel like getting proper support or
>a smooth experience during those three years. The way Windows PC
>manufacturers disregard your issues once they've already gotten your
>money is shocking. If they didn't have to offer a warranty, I'm sure
>they wouldn't.

Right, it's a fun toy when it's new, but they're left to deal with it
once it ages, Linux would save the day, but they might not know that.
Which is why I proclaim Linux's software freedom, hoping people will
take note.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-12-24 10:57, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>
>>> "Yeah.. I tried giving Linux a shot and it just ended up being a hassle
>>> and a headache. Finding fixes and asking for help online was one of the
>>> worst experiences I ever had. Almost everyone that I spoke to just ended
>>> up being rude. Also, having some games I own and some games with
>>> anti-cheat not working out of the box is a huge dealbreaker for me. I'm
>>> not dual booting for 2 or 3 games... I might as well just stick to
>>> Windows.."
>>>
>>> comment by
>>> @funfriend18 2 days ago
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY1ZVdR81M8
>>
>>
>> Wintendo works more easily in some ways, than Linux. I would dare say
>> it's worth the effort, though, to have a system free of Microsoft.
>
> It's worth the effort if you don't feel the need to replace your
> computer every three years or if you feel like getting proper support or
> a smooth experience during those three years. The way Windows PC
> manufacturers disregard your issues once they've already gotten your
> money is shocking. If they didn't have to offer a warranty, I'm sure
> they wouldn't.

I've never found Windows "easier" to use than Linux. The opposite is true.
But I haven't tried to get Windows games working in Linux or M$ Office
working in Wine, so I guess that would a difference.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-27 21:19, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-12-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-24 10:57, Joel wrote:
>>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Yeah.. I tried giving Linux a shot and it just ended up being a hassle
>>>> and a headache. Finding fixes and asking for help online was one of the
>>>> worst experiences I ever had. Almost everyone that I spoke to just ended
>>>> up being rude. Also, having some games I own and some games with
>>>> anti-cheat not working out of the box is a huge dealbreaker for me. I'm
>>>> not dual booting for 2 or 3 games... I might as well just stick to
>>>> Windows.."
>>>>
>>>> comment by
>>>> @funfriend18 2 days ago
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY1ZVdR81M8
>>>
>>>
>>> Wintendo works more easily in some ways, than Linux. I would dare say
>>> it's worth the effort, though, to have a system free of Microsoft.
>>
>> It's worth the effort if you don't feel the need to replace your
>> computer every three years or if you feel like getting proper support or
>> a smooth experience during those three years. The way Windows PC
>> manufacturers disregard your issues once they've already gotten your
>> money is shocking. If they didn't have to offer a warranty, I'm sure
>> they wouldn't.
>
> I've never found Windows "easier" to use than Linux. The opposite is true.
> But I haven't tried to get Windows games working in Linux or M$ Office
> working in Wine, so I guess that would a difference.

You would be surprised at how easy it has become for most of the titles.
Some titles are harder but can work if you're willing to jump through a
series of hoops. The thought of going back to Windows is so grotesque to
some of these people that they would rather jump through the hoops.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

On 2024-12-28, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-12-27 21:19, RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-12-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-24 10:57, Joel wrote:
>>>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Yeah.. I tried giving Linux a shot and it just ended up being a hassle
>>>>> and a headache. Finding fixes and asking for help online was one of the
>>>>> worst experiences I ever had. Almost everyone that I spoke to just ended
>>>>> up being rude. Also, having some games I own and some games with
>>>>> anti-cheat not working out of the box is a huge dealbreaker for me. I'm
>>>>> not dual booting for 2 or 3 games... I might as well just stick to
>>>>> Windows.."
>>>>>
>>>>> comment by
>>>>> @funfriend18 2 days ago
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY1ZVdR81M8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wintendo works more easily in some ways, than Linux. I would dare say
>>>> it's worth the effort, though, to have a system free of Microsoft.
>>>
>>> It's worth the effort if you don't feel the need to replace your
>>> computer every three years or if you feel like getting proper support or
>>> a smooth experience during those three years. The way Windows PC
>>> manufacturers disregard your issues once they've already gotten your
>>> money is shocking. If they didn't have to offer a warranty, I'm sure
>>> they wouldn't.
>>
>> I've never found Windows "easier" to use than Linux. The opposite is true.
>> But I haven't tried to get Windows games working in Linux or M$ Office
>> working in Wine, so I guess that would a difference.
>
> You would be surprised at how easy it has become for most of the titles.
> Some titles are harder but can work if you're willing to jump through a
> series of hoops. The thought of going back to Windows is so grotesque to
> some of these people that they would rather jump through the hoops.

I was thinking of using Scrivener and got it working fine in Wine last year.
I'm not sure that, had I bought it instead of just used the Demo version, if
I would have been able to activate it correctly. That seemed to be an issue
with some folks who used Scrivener in Wine. At any rate I decided Scrivener
was too complex with too many (too me) unnecessary steps so I deleted the Demo
and removed Wine at the end of my trial period. I do have the old 1.9xx
version of the Linux Beta installed (via an AppImage) but I don't use that
either.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 12/23/2024 6:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> So, Microsoft has gained one more defector from the Linux world.
>
> Yay Microsoft. Baby steps, baby steps ...

MS has ruled the desktop OS and office software markets for 34 years
straight, with total and complete dominance. And helped generate over
$2 trillion in lifetime revenue for the mighty MS Corporation.

Linux Mint got $9.6 thousand in donations March 2024.

gurgle

On 2025-01-05 11:11, DFS wrote:
> On 12/23/2024 6:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> So, Microsoft has gained one more defector from the Linux world.
>>
>> Yay Microsoft. Baby steps, baby steps ...
>
>
> MS has ruled the desktop OS and office software markets for 34 years
> straight, with total and complete dominance.  And helped generate over
> $2 trillion in lifetime revenue for the mighty MS Corporation.
>
> Linux Mint got $9.6 thousand in donations March 2024.
>
> gurgle

Microsoft _requires_ payment so money must exit your bank account for
the honour of using their software. In Mint's case, no such exchange is
necessary so the money it received was given voluntarily by users of the
software. In other words, Microsoft demands money for its product
regardless of how you might later feel about it whereas Mint suggests
that you give it money if you are satisfied with the product you've
already received. Admittedly, they barely even make such a suggestion
since they are happy to offer you the product at no charge. The people
who therefore gave money to Linux Mint are people who insisted that they
should have it despite the fact that Clément Lefebvre didn't even ask
for it.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 2025-01-05 11:11, DFS wrote:
>> On 12/23/2024 6:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> So, Microsoft has gained one more defector from the Linux world.
>>>
>>> Yay Microsoft. Baby steps, baby steps ...
>>
>> MS has ruled the desktop OS and office software markets for 34 years
>> straight, with total and complete dominance.

Except in the server space :-D

>> And helped generate over
>> $2 trillion in lifetime revenue for the mighty MS Corporation.
>>
>> Linux Mint got $9.6 thousand in donations March 2024.
>>
>> gurgle

Linux isn't about earnings. Jesus.

> Microsoft _requires_ payment so money must exit your bank account for
> the honour of using their software. In Mint's case, no such exchange is
> necessary so the money it received was given voluntarily by users of the
> software. In other words, Microsoft demands money for its product
> regardless of how you might later feel about it whereas Mint suggests
> that you give it money if you are satisfied with the product you've
> already received. Admittedly, they barely even make such a suggestion
> since they are happy to offer you the product at no charge. The people
> who therefore gave money to Linux Mint are people who insisted that they
> should have it despite the fact that Clément Lefebvre didn't even ask
> for it.

Say DFS, look at the sig, and "reinvent yourself".

--
Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life
-- Steve Jobs (1955-2011)

On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 11:11:28 -0500, DFS wrote:

> On 12/23/2024 6:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> So, Microsoft has gained one more defector from the Linux world.
>>
>> Yay Microsoft. Baby steps, baby steps ...
>
> MS has ruled the desktop OS and office software markets for 34 years
> straight, with total and complete dominance. And helped generate over
> $2 trillion in lifetime revenue for the mighty MS Corporation.
>
> Linux Mint got $9.6 thousand in donations March 2024.

And yet which is the one making the news headlines? Which is the side
making such a big deal about winning one more defection in this thread?

On 1/5/2025 3:03 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Say DFS, look at the sig, and "reinvent yourself".

> -- Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life --
> Steve Jobs (1955-2011)

What are you trying to say Creepy?