https://imgur.com/a/xG2IOJB

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 10:58:55 -0500, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
wrote in <viv6vt$2e0hk$2@dont-email.me>:

> https://imgur.com/a/xG2IOJB

...yer gonna need it.

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vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 10:58:55 -0500, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
>wrote in <viv6vt$2e0hk$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> https://imgur.com/a/xG2IOJB
>
> ...yer gonna need it.

I bet he finally admits he'd rather be running Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 12/6/2024 11:12 AM, vallor wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 10:58:55 -0500, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
> wrote in <viv6vt$2e0hk$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> https://imgur.com/a/xG2IOJB
>
> ...yer gonna need it.

For now, everything appears to be peachy.

24H2 is significantly faster launching apps and opening files and
navigating the file system. Very cool. That alone makes it a
worthwhile upgrade for me.

Because it's a full OS swapout, the download and install was slow. The
better part of 30 minutes I'd say.

New features
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/windows-11-version-24h1-changelog-release-date-features-ai-2024-update

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/windows-11-version-24h2-update-history-0929c747-1815-4543-8461-0160d16f15e5

A few known issues
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-24h2

I haven't played around with sudo for Windows yet. It's an MIT-licensed
project written in Rust

https://github.com/microsoft/sudo

On 12/6/24 4:56 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 12/6/2024 11:12 AM, vallor wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 10:58:55 -0500, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
>> wrote in <viv6vt$2e0hk$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/xG2IOJB
>>
>>   ...yer gonna need it.
>
>
> For now, everything appears to be peachy.

I'm currently on 22H2; will have to keep an eye out for it.

-hh

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 16:56:36 -0500, DFS wrote:

> 24H2 is significantly faster launching apps and opening files and
> navigating the file system. Very cool. That alone makes it a
> worthwhile upgrade for me.

Interesting. I just checked the laptop. It says it is up to date with
23H2 and didn't offer 24H2.

On 12/6/2024 11:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 16:56:36 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>
>> 24H2 is significantly faster launching apps and opening files and
>> navigating the file system. Very cool. That alone makes it a
>> worthwhile upgrade for me.
>
> Interesting. I just checked the laptop. It says it is up to date with
> 23H2 and didn't offer 24H2.

That's what my system said for the past couple months. 24H2 general
release has been around since Oct 1 2024, but I turned off 'Get the
latest updates as soon as they're available' and waited for it to come
to me.

This article describes how MS is rolling it out in phases:

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/is-your-pc-getting-the-windows-11-version-24h2-in-june-or-september-2024

MS haters in Montana are put at the back of the line.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:05:52 -0500, DFS wrote:

> MS haters in Montana are put at the back of the line.

Fine by me. I'll make sure I don't check any boxes by mistake. 23H2 works
fine.

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>On 12/6/2024 11:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 16:56:36 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> [Windows 11] 24H2 is significantly faster launching apps and opening files and
>>> navigating the file system. Very cool. That alone makes it a
>>> worthwhile upgrade for me.
>>
>> Interesting. I just checked the laptop. It says it is up to date with
>> 23H2 and didn't offer 24H2.
>
>That's what my system said for the past couple months. 24H2 general
>release has been around since Oct 1 2024, but I turned off 'Get the
>latest updates as soon as they're available' and waited for it to come
>to me.
>
>This article describes how MS is rolling it out in phases:
>
>https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/is-your-pc-getting-the-windows-11-version-24h2-in-june-or-september-2024
>
>
>MS haters in Montana are put at the back of the line.

I would have already installed it, even if I were concerned about
bugs, if they would build on the bloat of 23H2 with buggy general
releases (how many times now?), why should I not switch to Linux,
which I'm starting to wonder how you can not wish to?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 12/7/2024 4:56 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>> On 12/6/2024 11:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 16:56:36 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Windows 11] 24H2 is significantly faster launching apps and opening files and
>>>> navigating the file system. Very cool. That alone makes it a
>>>> worthwhile upgrade for me.
>>>
>>> Interesting. I just checked the laptop. It says it is up to date with
>>> 23H2 and didn't offer 24H2.
>>
>> That's what my system said for the past couple months. 24H2 general
>> release has been around since Oct 1 2024, but I turned off 'Get the
>> latest updates as soon as they're available' and waited for it to come
>> to me.
>>
>> This article describes how MS is rolling it out in phases:
>>
>> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/is-your-pc-getting-the-windows-11-version-24h2-in-june-or-september-2024
>>
>>
>> MS haters in Montana are put at the back of the line.
>
>
> I would have already installed it, even if I were concerned about
> bugs, if they would build on the bloat of 23H2 with buggy general
> releases (how many times now?),

What you just said makes no sense.

> why should I not switch to Linux,

Considering you spend most of your computing time running Windows apps,
you haven't actually switched to Linux and suffered with the poor choice
you made.

> which I'm starting to wonder how you can not wish to?

Running Linux means giving up MS Office (never unless something just as
good is available on Linux) and Notepad++ (difficult but not impossible
to give up), and maybe a few games.

I assume my Canon MG 5220 printer will work under Linux. I don't have
any Windows-only hardware (is that even a thing any more?).

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>>> That's what my system said for the past couple months. 24H2 general
>>> release has been around since Oct 1 2024, but I turned off 'Get the
>>> latest updates as soon as they're available' and waited for it to come
>>> to me.
>>>
>>> This article describes how MS is rolling it out in phases:
>>>
>>> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/is-your-pc-getting-the-windows-11-version-24h2-in-june-or-september-2024
>>>
>>>
>>> MS haters in Montana are put at the back of the line.
>>
>> I would have already installed it, even if I were concerned about
>> bugs, if they would build on the bloat of 23H2 with buggy general
>> releases (how many times now?),
>
>What you just said makes no sense.

Incorrect, an OS judge updates immediately.

>> why should I not switch to Linux,
>
>Considering you spend most of your computing time running Windows apps,
>you haven't actually switched to Linux and suffered with the poor choice
>you made.

Considering that I *DON'T* "spend most of my computing time running
Windows apps", your comment is evasive.

>> which I'm starting to wonder how you can not wish to?
>
>Running Linux means giving up MS Office (never unless something just as
>good is available on Linux) and Notepad++ (difficult but not impossible
>to give up), and maybe a few games.
>
>I assume my Canon MG 5220 printer will work under Linux. I don't have
>any Windows-only hardware (is that even a thing any more?).

Office is one thing. But you have to get tired of bloatware.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:22:21 -0500, DFS wrote:

> Running Linux means giving up MS Office (never unless something just as
> good is available on Linux) and Notepad++ (difficult but not impossible
> to give up), and maybe a few games.

It is a hardship for me to give up two applications I don't use...

On 9 Dec 2024 03:04:07 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<lrn517Fd8qpU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:22:21 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Running Linux means giving up MS Office (never unless something just as
>> good is available on Linux) and Notepad++ (difficult but not impossible
>> to give up), and maybe a few games.
>
> It is a hardship for me to give up two applications I don't use...

Office 365 works fine with Linux.

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On 12/8/2024 10:04 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:22:21 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Running Linux means giving up MS Office (never unless something just as
>> good is available on Linux) and Notepad++ (difficult but not impossible
>> to give up), and maybe a few games.
>
> It is a hardship for me to give up two applications I don't use...

I hear you. Life is tough all over.

On 12/9/2024 8:14 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> You have to get tired of DFS's obsessive yammering.

wtf Creepy?

You've made on the order of 20% more cola posts than I have.

On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 15:12:46 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> The only time I ever used M$ Office was when I had to at work.

Programming never had Office loaded on our Windows machines by IT. We
didn't really need it and licenses cost money. LibreOffice was good
enough.

We were on our own for the Linux machines. IT would drop off a bare metal
box and run.

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 15:12 this Monday (GMT):
> On 2024-12-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:22:21 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Running Linux means giving up MS Office (never unless something just as
>>> good is available on Linux) and Notepad++ (difficult but not impossible
>>> to give up), and maybe a few games.
>>
>> It is a hardship for me to give up two applications I don't use...
>
> The only time I ever used M$ Office was when I had to at work. I could have
> bought it for $14 for home use once (company deal) and I had zero interest
> in it. Just bloatware in my opinion. As for Notepad++, I use Jstar for just
> about everything. If I wanted something that looks something like Notepad++
> I would probably look into Kate (K Advanced Text Editor). But I'm not
> looking for a Notepad++ clone. Have no need for it.

Honestly, my favorite GUI editor is actually featherpad. It doesn't
natively let you compile stuff, but it does have syntax highlighting
which is really nice.
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>You have to get tired of DFS's obsessive yammering.

As long as his assholery is rewarded with a response...

--
"-highhorse is indeed a dazed follower...
... and dumb as a stump."
- Chris Ahlstrom

On 12/8/24 9:04 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:22:21 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Running Linux means giving up MS Office (never unless something just as
>> good is available on Linux) and Notepad++ (difficult but not impossible
>> to give up), and maybe a few games.
>
> It is a hardship for me to give up two applications I don't use...

Excel not only is impossible to give up, it is the best tool that has
appeared since PCs took over.

Anyone who doesn't have an intense need for Excel is either doing
nothing in life, or is doing a lot at the "ant" level :)

On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 15:46:21 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>You have to get tired of DFS's obsessive yammering.
>
> As long as his assholery is rewarded with a response...
>

The guy(?) reminds me of some low-life autograph hound,
that spends his waking hours in pursuit of the signature
or other token of his favorite movie star.

Indeed, Physfitfreak has likened him to a "groupie," and
that is very accurate description.

But underneath it all looms the concept of "queer."

My guess is that his IQ is about 85.

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On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 15:57:56 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

>
> Excel not only is impossible to give up, it is the best tool that has
> appeared since PCs took over.
>

Nope.

Lotus 123 was far better than Excel. But Microslop used nefarious
tactics to destroy Lotus, and WordPerfect as well.

As the saying went: Microslop ain't done until Lotus won't run.

Microslop is junk. From the very beginning there were always
much better choices but the borderline criminal tactics of Microslop
vanquished them all.

Because the US government did not intervene in the monopolistic
practices of Microslop, we are now forced to "enjoy" this horrid
crap.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

On 12/9/24 4:24 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> Indeed, Physfitfreak has likened him to a "groupie," and
> that is very accurate description.
>
> But underneath it all looms the concept of "queer."

Hahhahhahh :-))

Dont' forget that I addressed that aspect of him also. I really think he
is a man's body with a female brain, so symbiotically continuing life
together that the brain has not noticed it.

This has nothing to do with concept of health of course. A woman's brain
can be healthy. A man's body can be healthy. I think his brain is
healthy at the core, much in contrast with that of Relf whose brain is
rotten inside out.

On 12/9/24 5:15 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 15:57:56 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>>
>> Excel not only is impossible to give up, it is the best tool that has
>> appeared since PCs took over.
>>
>
> Nope.
>
> Lotus 123 was far better than Excel.

As you see above, I was speaking in the present tense. If you think
Lotus 123 beats Excel, tell me how you program it.

On 12/10/2024 12:31 PM, Joel wrote:

> When you have LO and WPS Office

You've been beaten down multiple times on this, since 2010. LO and WPS
Office can't compete with MS Office.

> and gedit and Kate, DFS's
> proclamations of running Win10/11 even on a computer like mine is just
> not having the best appreciation.

Here are the programmer editor features I really would rather not do
without:

1 block commenting - insert or remove a comment symbol in front of a
selected block of lines
2 line sort operations
3 show symbols (mainly end of line and tabs)
4 function list
5 change tab sizing
6 language syntax highlighting
7 column mode (might be called block selection)
8 search across folders/multiple documents.

Advanced editors have most or all those features, plus a million more.

I downloaded Kate for Windows (24.08.0, thru the MS Store) and gave it a
try. It's very, very good.

1 it does block commenting

2 kate sorts lines (right-click | Editing | Sort Selected Text Alpha),
but won't sort these correctly:

line 29
line 3

29th line
3rd line

29 line
3 line

Notepad++ does, with the 'Sort Lines as Integers' option

3 kate shows tab marks by default (but I couldn't find a way to show
end of line characters).

4 found function list in Settings | Configure Kate | Plugins | Symbol
Viewer

5 change tab size in Settings | Configure Kate | Editing | Indentation
| Tabulators

6 of course kate has syntax highlighting, for dozens of languages

7 kate slightly outdoes Notepad++ on column mode / block selection.
With Notepad++ you have to hold down left Alt and drag, with kate
there's a check box to turn it off and on. So it's a little easier
to do block selection in kate.

8 kate will search / replace in multiple files / in a folder

kate has some other nice features:
* appearance, color and theme settings that are easy to use.
* there's a little clickable breadcrumb line at the top of the open file
showing the directory structure. Cool!
* the mini-map to the right of the screen makes scrolling easier

niggles:
* bloated: kate uses 46MB of memory vs 17MB for Notepad++
* slower than Notepad++
* I don't like the Welcome screen that comes up by default (edit - found
a way to turn it off)
* far fewer plugins than available with Notepad++

Based on my limited usage, kate is a really good editor I could live
with in Linux.

On 12/9/2024 5:24 PM, Lameass Larry Piet wrote:

> My guess is that his [DFS's] IQ is about 85.

My certainty is you're a bust at life.