rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:07:15 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>
>> On 2024-08-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>
>>>> That PeachPuff background would have burned your eyes.
>>>
>>> You must have real trouble reading black text on white paper.
>>
>> Not really, but on screens I've always preferred light text on dark
>> background.
>>
>> Then again, I tried the PeachPuff background when I read your post in a
>> dark room, so it wasn't the best place to suddenly expose ones eyes to
>> that!
>
> I get to do unexpected A/B testing. I use my Fire HD 10 tablet mostly for
> reading Kindle books, with black text on a white background. When the
> charge gets down to 20% it automatically goes to white on black. I
> immediately go to Settings for I can override the power saving mode until
> I get it on a charger. I can read the white on black with no problem but I
> don't like it.
>
> I do agree when I wake up at 4AM and decide to read for a while the
> glaring white tablet is a shock on my eyes until my pupils get with the
> program.

I've always used FB Reader on my tablets. Fully configurable. I use black
on light grey mostly, and at night slide my finger down on the left to
reduce the brightness.

Sometimes I'll find HTML novels (e.g. Edgar Rice Burroughs) on Gutenberg, and
they're usually kind of a dark brown font on cream yellow pages.

--
<stupid repeat fortune snipped>

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 16 Aug 2024 06:47:10 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> FORTH requires a bit of mental adjustment but you can bootsrtap in with
>> a surprisingly small amount of native assembler code.
>
> I had a look on GitHub once, for projects done in Forth. I found a lot of
> people doing their own Forth implementations, but precious few instances
> of it being used to actually implement anything.
>
> Verdict: Forth belongs in a museum. What interesting characteristics it
> does have are shared by PostScript anyway, which also adds some more
> modern ideas of its own. If you want to create an updated stack-based
> language, PostScript is a better basis to start from than Forth.

I worked at a VA for awhile; they had an audiometer that was implemented using
Forth.

After that I bought a GUI MIDI app called EditTrack for the Atari ST; it was
implmented in Forth.

--
Good day to deal with people in high places; particularly lonely stewardesses.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 16 Aug 2024 02:52:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Of course the css was all
>>
>> background-color: #00aaad;
>> color: #ededed;
>
> Did you know CSS allows more intuitive ways of specifying colours?
> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_colors/Color_values>
>
>> The Konsole color scheme editor has a checkbox 'Randomly adjust colors
>> for each session'.
>
> I never noticed that before. ;)

I went through a phase where I used images as the terminal background.

--
This will be a memorable month -- no matter how hard you try to forget it.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:05:45 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I worked at a VA for awhile; they had an audiometer that was implemented
> using Forth.
>
> After that I bought a GUI MIDI app called EditTrack for the Atari ST; it
> was implmented in Forth.

https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-programming-language/

Paragraph 2.1 describes an odd turn in the history of Forth. Moore wrote
the controller for a radio telescope at Kitt Peak. When the head of NRAO
found it difficult to work with Forth Elizabeth Rather at UA was brought
in. Her first impression was "OMG what a mess. I'll rewrite it in
FORTRAN.' After getting used to weird she found it much more efficient
and, with Moore, founded Forth Inc.

I used Forth for some process control projects at Sprague, which at the
time was a major produced of tantalum capacitors. Some time later I got a
direct job at Simmonds Precision because of my background in Forth. It was
used for avionics test kits on (redacted). It was a DoD project and sucked
but not because of Forth.

That was my last professional use of Forth. I was contacted by a
headhunter when they were building the King Fahd International Airport
which used Forth, presumably with more success than the charlie foxtrot at
the Denver airport. I took a pass. The compensation was excellent but I
had no desire to be an infidel in the heart of darkness.

Around 2002 a programmer I worked with went to UA. He tried to recruit me
for the Kitt Peak systems but I was happy where I was so they were still
using Forth 20 years ago. It had spread to a number of observatories.

I'll leave PostScript to Lawrence and Don Lancaster's flutterwumpers. I've
had to work on our custom version of nenscript that is embedded in a
reporting tool.

http://holt.oso.chalmers.se/hgs/unix.man/nenscript-1.html

The comment on the source we derived it from is cute:

/*
* This code was written by Craig Southeren whilst under contract
* to Computer Sciences of Australia, Systems Engineering Division.
* It has been kindly released by CSA into the public domain.
*
* Neither CSA or me guarantee that this source code is fit for
anything,
* so use it at your peril. I don't even work for CSA any more, so
* don't bother them about it. If you have any suggestions or comments
* (or money, cheques, free trips =8^) !!!!! ) please contact me
* care of geoffw@extro.ucc.oz.au
*/

No GPL 3 here; good luck and godspeed.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:01:37 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I've always used FB Reader on my tablets. Fully configurable. I use
> black on light grey mostly, and at night slide my finger down on the
> left to reduce the brightness.
>
> Sometimes I'll find HTML novels (e.g. Edgar Rice Burroughs) on
> Gutenberg, and they're usually kind of a dark brown font on cream yellow
> pages.

I use Calibre on the desktops for random stuff I find. For better or worse
I'm tied into the kindleverse. I have Kindle Unlimited so most of my light
reading is 'borrowed' at no cost. Even titles like 'Programming The
Raspberry Pi Pico In C' are covered.

I also have the 'libby' app which accesses the public library's digital
collection. Some titles like RL Stevenson's 'The Black Arrow' from
Gutenberg are read in the libby app itself. I just finished Patterson's
'The Big Bad Wolf' (due to a reference to the Cross series in 'The Boys').
Those are delivered via Amazon. Rather than returning them through libby
you use the Amazon content dialog or you can let the loan expire. I think
it's 14 days.

I don't have a working generic tablet. I have an Acer ? 10" with Android
4.1 but I doubt it can handle much. At one point I even had to build my
own version of our Android app to get around the version check when the
official build only supported 4.4 (KitKat)

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:06:52 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I went through a phase where I used images as the terminal background.

I'd put that right up there with transparent for suck factor. I guess I'm
a troglodyte. People post screenshots of their desktops om the Linux
subreddits and are very proud of their work. Whatever. I don't care for
plain vanilla ice cream but when it comes to DEs default is fine.

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
news:v9nf31$1dkqg$9@dont-email.me:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:07:15 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-08-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That PeachPuff background would have burned your eyes.
>>>>
>>>> You must have real trouble reading black text on white paper.
>>>
>>> Not really, but on screens I've always preferred light text on dark
>>> background.
>>>
>>> Then again, I tried the PeachPuff background when I read your post
>>> in a dark room, so it wasn't the best place to suddenly expose ones
>>> eyes to that!
>>
>> I get to do unexpected A/B testing. I use my Fire HD 10 tablet mostly
>> for reading Kindle books, with black text on a white background. When
>> the charge gets down to 20% it automatically goes to white on black.
>> I immediately go to Settings for I can override the power saving mode
>> until I get it on a charger. I can read the white on black with no
>> problem but I don't like it.
>>
>> I do agree when I wake up at 4AM and decide to read for a while the
>> glaring white tablet is a shock on my eyes until my pupils get with
>> the program.
>
> I've always used FB Reader on my tablets. Fully configurable. I use
> black on light grey mostly, and at night slide my finger down on the
> left to reduce the brightness.
>
> Sometimes I'll find HTML novels (e.g. Edgar Rice Burroughs) on
> Gutenberg, and they're usually kind of a dark brown font on cream
> yellow pages.
>

Try 1984 you might learn something because you are currently living
it.Spend less time trying to make it look pretty and more time trying to
understand it.

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
news:v9nfcs$1dkqg$11@dont-email.me:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
> royalties:
>
>> On 16 Aug 2024 02:52:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> Of course the css was all
>>>
>>> background-color: #00aaad;
>>> color: #ededed;
>>
>> Did you know CSS allows more intuitive ways of specifying colours?
>> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_colors/Color_val
>> ues>
>>
>>> The Konsole color scheme editor has a checkbox 'Randomly adjust
>>> colors for each session'.
>>
>> I never noticed that before. ;)
>
> I went through a phase where I used images as the terminal background.
>

Really?
Wow!
Golly gee Mrs. Cleaver that sounds just boss!
You must be the big man on campus. Do you get to sit at the popular kids
table?
Being able to use images as a terminal background should certainly earn
you a place.
No?

On 2024-08-16 4:26 p.m., Ulysses wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
> news:v9nf31$1dkqg$9@dont-email.me:
>
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:07:15 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-08-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That PeachPuff background would have burned your eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>> You must have real trouble reading black text on white paper.
>>>>
>>>> Not really, but on screens I've always preferred light text on dark
>>>> background.
>>>>
>>>> Then again, I tried the PeachPuff background when I read your post
>>>> in a dark room, so it wasn't the best place to suddenly expose ones
>>>> eyes to that!
>>>
>>> I get to do unexpected A/B testing. I use my Fire HD 10 tablet mostly
>>> for reading Kindle books, with black text on a white background. When
>>> the charge gets down to 20% it automatically goes to white on black.
>>> I immediately go to Settings for I can override the power saving mode
>>> until I get it on a charger. I can read the white on black with no
>>> problem but I don't like it.
>>>
>>> I do agree when I wake up at 4AM and decide to read for a while the
>>> glaring white tablet is a shock on my eyes until my pupils get with
>>> the program.
>>
>> I've always used FB Reader on my tablets. Fully configurable. I use
>> black on light grey mostly, and at night slide my finger down on the
>> left to reduce the brightness.
>>
>> Sometimes I'll find HTML novels (e.g. Edgar Rice Burroughs) on
>> Gutenberg, and they're usually kind of a dark brown font on cream
>> yellow pages.
>>
>
> Try 1984 you might learn something because you are currently living
> it.Spend less time trying to make it look pretty and more time trying to
> understand it.

Except that most people who try Linux spend most of their time making it
look pretty.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Ulysses wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
> news:v9nf31$1dkqg$9@dont-email.me:
>>> the program.
>>
>> I've always used FB Reader on my tablets. Fully configurable. I use
>> black on light grey mostly, and at night slide my finger down on the
>> left to reduce the brightness.
>>
>> Sometimes I'll find HTML novels (e.g. Edgar Rice Burroughs) on
>> Gutenberg, and they're usually kind of a dark brown font on cream
>> yellow pages.
>
> Try 1984 you might learn something because you are currently living
> it.Spend less time trying to make it look pretty and more time trying to
> understand it.

:-D I read 1984 long ago, Odysseus. Spare me your angst. Life goes on.
In the long run, we are all dead.

--
You may my glories and my state dispose,
But not my griefs; still am I king of those.
-- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"

Ulysses wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Really?
> Wow!
> Golly gee Mrs. Cleaver that sounds just boss!
> You must be the big man on campus. Do you get to sit at the popular kids
> table?
> Being able to use images as a terminal background should certainly earn
> you a place.
> No?

:-D Got some petty griefer following me around like a wet nappy.

--
Q: Why did the lone ranger kill Tonto?
A: He found out what "kimosabe" really means.

On 16 Aug 2024 06:47:10 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<li8aveF3tfkU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 16 Aug 2024 03:11:53 GMT, vallor wrote:
>> (Fiddled around with flex(1) last night, now I know enough to be
>> dangerous. )
>
> Are you starting with bison/yacc and a grammar or winging that part for
> the lex/flex input? Beware of the dragons:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_Compiler_Design
>
>
> http://www.retroprogramming.com/2010/03/threaded-interpretive-languages-
> by-r-g.html
>
> That's another book that can cause serious brain damage. FORTH requires
> a bit of mental adjustment but you can bootsrtap in with a surprisingly
> small amount of native assembler code.

I basically used another deroff.l for examples, referred to the flex(1)
info documentation, and rolled my own scanner to skip the necessary lines.

Toughest part was incorporating "BEGIN()" for continuation lines,
which isn't tough at all.

It's not perfect, but works for my purposes -- then I read
comp.os.linux.misc, where Rich suggested using groff -Tascii
or groff -Tutf8 -- doh! That works just fine for my purposes.

But if there's any interest, here's the scanner that I took the
screenshot of:

- - -cut here %<- - -
$ cat nderoff.l
%{
#include <stdio.h>
int skipcount = 0;
%}
%x continuation
%%
^\..+\\\n { BEGIN(continuation); }
<continuation>^\ .+\n {skipcount++;}
<continuation>.*[^\\]\n { BEGIN(INITIAL);
skipcount++;
}
^\.PP\n fputs("\n",yyout);
^\..+\n {skipcount++;}
^\\#.*\n {skipcount++;}
^\n {skipcount++;}
%%
int main(void)
{ int res=0;
yyin=stdin; yyout=stdout; res=yylex();
return res;
} - - -cut here %<- - -

All-in-all, it was a fruitful evening, because
I learned something.

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc3 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Figures won't lie, but liars will figure."

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:28:49 +0000, Ulysses
<jyaearthfaltter410o@proton.me> wrote in
<XnsB1D0A7A5FD153jyaearthfaltter410op@69.80.102.17>:

> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
> news:v9nfcs$1dkqg$11@dont-email.me:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>> royalties:
>>
>>> On 16 Aug 2024 02:52:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course the css was all
>>>>
>>>> background-color: #00aaad;
>>>> color: #ededed;
>>>
>>> Did you know CSS allows more intuitive ways of specifying colours?
>>> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_colors/Color_val
>>> ues>
>>>
>>>> The Konsole color scheme editor has a checkbox 'Randomly adjust
>>>> colors for each session'.
>>>
>>> I never noticed that before. ;)
>>
>> I went through a phase where I used images as the terminal background.
>>
>>
> Really?
> Wow!
> Golly gee Mrs. Cleaver that sounds just boss!
> You must be the big man on campus. Do you get to sit at the popular kids
> table?
> Being able to use images as a terminal background should certainly earn
> you a place.
> No?

I wouldn't recommend it, it'll make your eyes buggy.

(And I think everybody knew that's what he was talking about
from the context of the thread.)

BTW, hello, and welcome -- have you ever read Emily Postnews?

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc3 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"One man's error is another man's data."

vallor wrote:
> On 16 Aug 2024 06:47:10 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
> <li8aveF3tfkU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 16 Aug 2024 03:11:53 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>> (Fiddled around with flex(1) last night, now I know enough to be
>>> dangerous. )
>>
>> Are you starting with bison/yacc and a grammar or winging that part for
>> the lex/flex input? Beware of the dragons:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_Compiler_Design
>>
>>
>> http://www.retroprogramming.com/2010/03/threaded-interpretive-languages-
>> by-r-g.html
>>
>> That's another book that can cause serious brain damage. FORTH requires
>> a bit of mental adjustment but you can bootsrtap in with a surprisingly
>> small amount of native assembler code.
>
> I basically used another deroff.l for examples, referred to the flex(1)
> info documentation, and rolled my own scanner to skip the necessary lines.
>
> Toughest part was incorporating "BEGIN()" for continuation lines,
> which isn't tough at all.
>
> It's not perfect, but works for my purposes -- then I read
> comp.os.linux.misc, where Rich suggested using groff -Tascii
> or groff -Tutf8 -- doh! That works just fine for my purposes.
>
> But if there's any interest, here's the scanner that I took the
> screenshot of:
>
> - - -cut here %<- - -
> $ cat nderoff.l
> %{
> #include <stdio.h>
> int skipcount = 0;
> %}
> %x continuation
> %%
> ^\..+\\\n { BEGIN(continuation); }
> <continuation>^\ .+\n {skipcount++;}
> <continuation>.*[^\\]\n { BEGIN(INITIAL);
> skipcount++;
> }
> ^\.PP\n fputs("\n",yyout);
> ^\..+\n {skipcount++;}
> ^\\#.*\n {skipcount++;}
> ^\n {skipcount++;}
> %%
> int main(void)
> {
> int res=0;
> yyin=stdin; yyout=stdout; res=yylex();
> return res;
> }
> - - -cut here %<- - -
>
> All-in-all, it was a fruitful evening, because
> I learned something.
>
i got something i could'a taught ya

vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:28:49 +0000, Ulysses
> <jyaearthfaltter410o@proton.me> wrote in
> <XnsB1D0A7A5FD153jyaearthfaltter410op@69.80.102.17>:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
>> news:v9nfcs$1dkqg$11@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>> royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 16 Aug 2024 02:52:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Of course the css was all
>>>>>
>>>>> background-color: #00aaad;
>>>>> color: #ededed;
>>>>
>>>> Did you know CSS allows more intuitive ways of specifying colours?
>>>> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_colors/Color_val
>>>> ues>
>>>>
>>>>> The Konsole color scheme editor has a checkbox 'Randomly adjust
>>>>> colors for each session'.
>>>>
>>>> I never noticed that before. ;)
>>>
>>> I went through a phase where I used images as the terminal background.
>>>
>>>
>> Really?
>> Wow!
>> Golly gee Mrs. Cleaver that sounds just boss!
>> You must be the big man on campus. Do you get to sit at the popular kids
>> table?
>> Being able to use images as a terminal background should certainly earn
>> you a place.
>> No?
>
> I wouldn't recommend it, it'll make your eyes buggy.
>
> (And I think everybody knew that's what he was talking about
> from the context of the thread.)
>
> BTW, hello, and welcome -- have you ever read Emily Postnews?
>
if you weren't half in the bag you wouldn't get buggie eyed

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:01:09 -0400, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote in
<r6PvO.330854$gJuc.106524@fx10.iad>:

> On 2024-08-16 4:26 p.m., Ulysses wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
>> news:v9nf31$1dkqg$9@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:07:15 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-08-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That PeachPuff background would have burned your eyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You must have real trouble reading black text on white paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really, but on screens I've always preferred light text on dark
>>>>> background.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then again, I tried the PeachPuff background when I read your post
>>>>> in a dark room, so it wasn't the best place to suddenly expose ones
>>>>> eyes to that!
>>>>
>>>> I get to do unexpected A/B testing. I use my Fire HD 10 tablet mostly
>>>> for reading Kindle books, with black text on a white background. When
>>>> the charge gets down to 20% it automatically goes to white on black.
>>>> I immediately go to Settings for I can override the power saving mode
>>>> until I get it on a charger. I can read the white on black with no
>>>> problem but I don't like it.
>>>>
>>>> I do agree when I wake up at 4AM and decide to read for a while the
>>>> glaring white tablet is a shock on my eyes until my pupils get with
>>>> the program.
>>>
>>> I've always used FB Reader on my tablets. Fully configurable. I use
>>> black on light grey mostly, and at night slide my finger down on the
>>> left to reduce the brightness.
>>>
>>> Sometimes I'll find HTML novels (e.g. Edgar Rice Burroughs) on
>>> Gutenberg, and they're usually kind of a dark brown font on cream
>>> yellow pages.
>>>
>>>
>> Try 1984 you might learn something because you are currently living
>> it.Spend less time trying to make it look pretty and more time trying
>> to understand it.
>
> Except that most people who try Linux spend most of their time making it
> look pretty.

<sigh> Here we go again...

This last week, I've been spending most of my time writing a book, and
using the Unix typesetting tools of yore to get the job done faster
than with a wysiwyg editor.

Most people who _try_ Linux would be newcomers, who probably spend
"most of their time" on support forums...if needed.

🧘️

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc3 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"I'd love to, but I prefer to remain an enigma."

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:31:16 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
<5tednU-uZYbJciL7nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com>:

> vallor wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:28:49 +0000, Ulysses
>> <jyaearthfaltter410o@proton.me> wrote in
>> <XnsB1D0A7A5FD153jyaearthfaltter410op@69.80.102.17>:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
>>> news:v9nfcs$1dkqg$11@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>>> royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16 Aug 2024 02:52:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course the css was all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> background-color: #00aaad;
>>>>>> color: #ededed;
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you know CSS allows more intuitive ways of specifying colours?
>>>>> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_colors/
Color_val
>>>>> ues>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Konsole color scheme editor has a checkbox 'Randomly adjust
>>>>>> colors for each session'.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never noticed that before. ;)
>>>>
>>>> I went through a phase where I used images as the terminal
>>>> background.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Really?
>>> Wow!
>>> Golly gee Mrs. Cleaver that sounds just boss!
>>> You must be the big man on campus. Do you get to sit at the popular
>>> kids table?
>>> Being able to use images as a terminal background should certainly
>>> earn you a place.
>>> No?
>>
>> I wouldn't recommend it, it'll make your eyes buggy.
>>
>> (And I think everybody knew that's what he was talking about from the
>> context of the thread.)
>>
>> BTW, hello, and welcome -- have you ever read Emily Postnews?
>>
> if you weren't half in the bag you wouldn't get buggie eyed

I haven't been in any bag for many years.

Good thing, too -- can't write flex(1) scanners if you're
three sheets to the wind...and I don't believe in the
so-called "Ballmer effect".

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc3 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Inertia makes the world go round."

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:01:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Except that most people who try Linux spend most of their time making it
> look pretty.

Making Linux look pretty is the easy part.

<https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/>

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:26:40 +0000, Ulysses wrote:

> Try 1984 you might learn something because you are currently living
> it.Spend less time trying to make it look pretty and more time trying to
> understand it.

I have a sneaking suspicion I read '1984' a bit before you.

vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:31:16 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
> <5tednU-uZYbJciL7nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>
>> vallor wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:28:49 +0000, Ulysses
>>> <jyaearthfaltter410o@proton.me> wrote in
>>> <XnsB1D0A7A5FD153jyaearthfaltter410op@69.80.102.17>:
>>>
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
>>>> news:v9nfcs$1dkqg$11@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>>>> royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Aug 2024 02:52:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course the css was all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> background-color: #00aaad;
>>>>>>> color: #ededed;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you know CSS allows more intuitive ways of specifying colours?
>>>>>> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_colors/
> Color_val
>>>>>> ues>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Konsole color scheme editor has a checkbox 'Randomly adjust
>>>>>>> colors for each session'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never noticed that before. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I went through a phase where I used images as the terminal
>>>>> background.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>> Wow!
>>>> Golly gee Mrs. Cleaver that sounds just boss!
>>>> You must be the big man on campus. Do you get to sit at the popular
>>>> kids table?
>>>> Being able to use images as a terminal background should certainly
>>>> earn you a place.
>>>> No?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't recommend it, it'll make your eyes buggy.
>>>
>>> (And I think everybody knew that's what he was talking about from the
>>> context of the thread.)
>>>
>>> BTW, hello, and welcome -- have you ever read Emily Postnews?
>>>
>> if you weren't half in the bag you wouldn't get buggie eyed
>
> I haven't been in any bag for many years.
>
> Good thing, too -- can't write flex(1) scanners if you're
> three sheets to the wind...and I don't believe in the
> so-called "Ballmer effect".
>
i say that too

On 2024-08-16 8:56 p.m., vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:01:09 -0400, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote in
> <r6PvO.330854$gJuc.106524@fx10.iad>:
>
>> On 2024-08-16 4:26 p.m., Ulysses wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
>>> news:v9nf31$1dkqg$9@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:07:15 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-08-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That PeachPuff background would have burned your eyes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You must have real trouble reading black text on white paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really, but on screens I've always preferred light text on dark
>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then again, I tried the PeachPuff background when I read your post
>>>>>> in a dark room, so it wasn't the best place to suddenly expose ones
>>>>>> eyes to that!
>>>>>
>>>>> I get to do unexpected A/B testing. I use my Fire HD 10 tablet mostly
>>>>> for reading Kindle books, with black text on a white background. When
>>>>> the charge gets down to 20% it automatically goes to white on black.
>>>>> I immediately go to Settings for I can override the power saving mode
>>>>> until I get it on a charger. I can read the white on black with no
>>>>> problem but I don't like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do agree when I wake up at 4AM and decide to read for a while the
>>>>> glaring white tablet is a shock on my eyes until my pupils get with
>>>>> the program.
>>>>
>>>> I've always used FB Reader on my tablets. Fully configurable. I use
>>>> black on light grey mostly, and at night slide my finger down on the
>>>> left to reduce the brightness.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes I'll find HTML novels (e.g. Edgar Rice Burroughs) on
>>>> Gutenberg, and they're usually kind of a dark brown font on cream
>>>> yellow pages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Try 1984 you might learn something because you are currently living
>>> it.Spend less time trying to make it look pretty and more time trying
>>> to understand it.
>>
>> Except that most people who try Linux spend most of their time making it
>> look pretty.
>
> <sigh> Here we go again...
>
> This last week, I've been spending most of my time writing a book, and
> using the Unix typesetting tools of yore to get the job done faster
> than with a wysiwyg editor.
>
> Most people who _try_ Linux would be newcomers, who probably spend
> "most of their time" on support forums...if needed.
>
> 🧘️

Notice the verb _try_. It is true of people who are just getting
acquainted with it. Whether you want to admit it or not, you're not
_trying_ Linux, are you?

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-08-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:26:40 +0000, Ulysses wrote:
>
>> Try 1984 you might learn something because you are currently living
>> it.Spend less time trying to make it look pretty and more time trying to
>> understand it.
>
> I have a sneaking suspicion I read '1984' a bit before you.

Same here.
Circa 1972 for me.
Same for Animal Farm and Catcher In the Rye.
I suspect you have me beat though.
--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:54:50 -0400, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote in
<NpTvO.29578$8UD7.24479@fx01.iad>:

> On 2024-08-16 8:56 p.m., vallor wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:01:09 -0400, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote
>> in <r6PvO.330854$gJuc.106524@fx10.iad>:
>>
>>> On 2024-08-16 4:26 p.m., Ulysses wrote:
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
>>>> news:v9nf31$1dkqg$9@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:07:15 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-08-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That PeachPuff background would have burned your eyes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You must have real trouble reading black text on white paper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not really, but on screens I've always preferred light text on
>>>>>>> dark background.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then again, I tried the PeachPuff background when I read your post
>>>>>>> in a dark room, so it wasn't the best place to suddenly expose
>>>>>>> ones eyes to that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get to do unexpected A/B testing. I use my Fire HD 10 tablet
>>>>>> mostly for reading Kindle books, with black text on a white
>>>>>> background. When the charge gets down to 20% it automatically goes
>>>>>> to white on black. I immediately go to Settings for I can override
>>>>>> the power saving mode until I get it on a charger. I can read the
>>>>>> white on black with no problem but I don't like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do agree when I wake up at 4AM and decide to read for a while the
>>>>>> glaring white tablet is a shock on my eyes until my pupils get with
>>>>>> the program.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've always used FB Reader on my tablets. Fully configurable. I use
>>>>> black on light grey mostly, and at night slide my finger down on the
>>>>> left to reduce the brightness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes I'll find HTML novels (e.g. Edgar Rice Burroughs) on
>>>>> Gutenberg, and they're usually kind of a dark brown font on cream
>>>>> yellow pages.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Try 1984 you might learn something because you are currently living
>>>> it.Spend less time trying to make it look pretty and more time trying
>>>> to understand it.
>>>
>>> Except that most people who try Linux spend most of their time making
>>> it look pretty.
>>
>> <sigh> Here we go again...
>>
>> This last week, I've been spending most of my time writing a book, and
>> using the Unix typesetting tools of yore to get the job done faster
>> than with a wysiwyg editor.
>>
>> Most people who _try_ Linux would be newcomers, who probably spend
>> "most of their time" on support forums...if needed.
>>
>> 🧘️
>
> Notice the verb _try_. It is true of people who are just getting
> acquainted with it. Whether you want to admit it or not, you're not
> _trying_ Linux, are you?

So how long do you think "most people who try Linux" will spend
"most of their time making it look pretty", as you say?

For example: how long did you spend yourself?

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc3 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Profanity is the one language all programmers know best."

On 2024-08-17, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:54:50 -0400, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote in
><NpTvO.29578$8UD7.24479@fx01.iad>:
>
>> On 2024-08-16 8:56 p.m., vallor wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:01:09 -0400, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote
>>> in <r6PvO.330854$gJuc.106524@fx10.iad>:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-08-16 4:26 p.m., Ulysses wrote:
>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
>>>>> news:v9nf31$1dkqg$9@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:07:15 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-08-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That PeachPuff background would have burned your eyes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You must have real trouble reading black text on white paper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really, but on screens I've always preferred light text on
>>>>>>>> dark background.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then again, I tried the PeachPuff background when I read your post
>>>>>>>> in a dark room, so it wasn't the best place to suddenly expose
>>>>>>>> ones eyes to that!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I get to do unexpected A/B testing. I use my Fire HD 10 tablet
>>>>>>> mostly for reading Kindle books, with black text on a white
>>>>>>> background. When the charge gets down to 20% it automatically goes
>>>>>>> to white on black. I immediately go to Settings for I can override
>>>>>>> the power saving mode until I get it on a charger. I can read the
>>>>>>> white on black with no problem but I don't like it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do agree when I wake up at 4AM and decide to read for a while the
>>>>>>> glaring white tablet is a shock on my eyes until my pupils get with
>>>>>>> the program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always used FB Reader on my tablets. Fully configurable. I use
>>>>>> black on light grey mostly, and at night slide my finger down on the
>>>>>> left to reduce the brightness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes I'll find HTML novels (e.g. Edgar Rice Burroughs) on
>>>>>> Gutenberg, and they're usually kind of a dark brown font on cream
>>>>>> yellow pages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Try 1984 you might learn something because you are currently living
>>>>> it.Spend less time trying to make it look pretty and more time trying
>>>>> to understand it.
>>>>
>>>> Except that most people who try Linux spend most of their time making
>>>> it look pretty.
>>>
>>> <sigh> Here we go again...
>>>
>>> This last week, I've been spending most of my time writing a book, and
>>> using the Unix typesetting tools of yore to get the job done faster
>>> than with a wysiwyg editor.
>>>
>>> Most people who _try_ Linux would be newcomers, who probably spend
>>> "most of their time" on support forums...if needed.
>>>
>>> 🧘️
>>
>> Notice the verb _try_. It is true of people who are just getting
>> acquainted with it. Whether you want to admit it or not, you're not
>> _trying_ Linux, are you?
>
> So how long do you think "most people who try Linux" will spend
> "most of their time making it look pretty", as you say?
>
> For example: how long did you spend yourself?
>

TBH I have spent very little time. I've changed the default background and enlarged the taskbar and
some fonts but that's it. Same things I would do with Windows. I use MX Linux and for me it looks
fine.
I highly recommend this distribution BTW.
--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 02:10:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

> Same here.
> Circa 1972 for me.
> Same for Animal Farm and Catcher In the Rye.
> I suspect you have me beat though.

I read '1984', 'Brave New World', 'Animal Farm', and fwiw 'Atlas Shrugged'
in high school so that would be between '60 and '64. I also read
Vonnegut's 'Player Piano'. That had a more memorable effect partially
because it was set in a fictional version of the Tri-Cities area where I
lived and was a thinly veiled model of GE Schenectady where Vonnegut had
worked. The other factor was I was on the fast track to join the engineers
that kept society running,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_(novel)

There was a lot of Kerouac, Ginsburg, Rexroth, Holmes, Miller, and so
forth in the mix. I read a lot. (take the verb in the past or present
tense)

I can't remember if I read 'Catcher in the Rye' or only skimmed it. I was
not impressed and it hadn't become required reading at that point.

I read 'Clockwork Orange' in '65, not out of any search for literature but
because the paperback cover had a lurid depiction of a biker gang which
had nothing to do with the text. Anyway my English professor spotted it in
the stack of books I was carry between classes and was impressed. I didn't
understand why but I played along. Years later I found that the final
mawkish chapter where Alex renounces ultra-violence and becomes a good
little citizen had been cut from the US edition.