On 2024-05-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2024 03:26:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> So Microsoft’s development efforts are fragmented across two entirely
>> different, incompatible IDE architectures.
>
> Even better:
>
> https://github.com/microsoft/vscode
>
> I'm sure there is a method to their madness.

Even better... better...?

https://vscodium.com/

I hear that, even though VSCodium is open source, as soon as you start using
plugins you're back to proprietary again. But at least it's nice to pretend
that you're using open source.

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rbowman wrote:

> Joel wrote:
>>
>> Relf wrote:
>>>
>>>Crump: Sale on Visual Studio Pro from Bleeping Computer
>>>
>>>Visual Studio, Community Edition, is cost free.
>>
>> I know, I had it installed under Win11, but if I ever actually used it,
>> I'd pay that sale price to get more features.
>
>You don't level up much until you get the enterprise edition and that's
>not $45.

Yeah, the free version doesn't warn you if your code won't work as
intended. :-D

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Relf wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Crump: Sale on Visual Studio Pro from Bleeping Computer
>
> Visual Studio, Community Edition, is cost free.

For C/C++, GNU and Clang are quite sufficient.

As they used to quip about Linux, Visual Studio Community is free only if your
time has no value.

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On Sat, 25 May 2024 06:43:26 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 25 May 2024 05:04:28 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 03:25:11 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> There is the question of why it had to be built on Electron, instead
>>> of using Microsoft’s own Dotnet framework--wasn’t that cross-platform
>>> enough?
>>
>> There are some attempts in the works but you can't build GUIs on Linux
>> with .NET. Even MAUI omits Linux.
>>
>> That's one area where the various choices bite Linux on the butt.
>
> Seems like it’s actually biting Dotnet on the bum. Microsoft clearly
> prioritizes Linux support over Dotnet.

Not really. .NET Framework is mostly in bug fix mode but .NET is moving
right along. As I said, MS managed to confuse things nicely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET

It fits in nicely with the Linux move. 'dotnet build --arch linux-x64'
will build a Linux package on Windows. Or you could target Windows on a
Linux box. Or arm64 from either.

The weakness on Linux is creating GUIs. I don't know what shape the GTK#
project is in. There were QTSharp and wx.net (wxWidgets) projects too.

Avalonia might work. It follows the WPF xaml format. I've never played
with it.

On Sat, 25 May 2024 05:07:34 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> After getting a handle on what was what, I ended up running cpan to get
> some of its dependencies installed for perl development.
> It ended up trying to install a package that wanted me to downgrade my
> perl version. I didn't want to do that, so end of that project.

I've got Perl 5.34 on this machine but I've never tried to do anything
with it. C is a little strange. You get Run and Debug by default. It does
run with

hello world[1] + Done "/usr/bin/gdb" --
interpreter=mi --tty=${DbgTerm} 0<"/tmp/Microsoft-MIEngine-In-
wgmbd1qc.xs3" 1>"/tmp/Microsoft-MIEngine-Out-ewylc3pk.cqs"
in the terminal.

On Sat, 25 May 2024 06:42:23 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> Just add to that madness/fun, that’s actually a third fragment. Remember
> the VS Code itself is not open source, the open-source version is called
> “VS Codium”. And lots of addons for VS Code do not work with VS Codium.

There is that. PyLance isn't open source either but it works nicely.

On Sat, 25 May 2024 07:13:43 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I hear that, even though VSCodium is open source, as soon as you start
> using plugins you're back to proprietary again. But at least it's nice
> to pretend that you're using open source.

I wonder how much of that is due to their secret sauce? Not that I'm about
to build VSCode myself. I ain't Farley Fudnuts.

On 25 May 2024 20:10:18 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2024 06:43:26 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 25 May 2024 05:04:28 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 03:25:11 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is the question of why it had to be built on Electron, instead
>>>> of using Microsoft’s own Dotnet framework--wasn’t that cross-platform
>>>> enough?
>>>
>>> There are some attempts in the works but you can't build GUIs on Linux
>>> with .NET. Even MAUI omits Linux.
>>>
>>> That's one area where the various choices bite Linux on the butt.
>>
>> Seems like it’s actually biting Dotnet on the bum. Microsoft clearly
>> prioritizes Linux support over Dotnet.
>
> Not really. .NET Framework is mostly in bug fix mode but .NET is moving
> right along.

Too late for VS Code.

> Avalonia might work. It follows the WPF xaml format. I've never played
> with it.

Yet another bit of wishful thinking about Microsoft ...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 03:25 this Saturday (GMT):
> On 25 May 2024 03:19:09 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> If the various websites can be believed VSCode has become
>> the IDE of choice for any language you care to mention.
>
> There is the question of why it had to be built on Electron, instead of
> using Microsoft’s own Dotnet framework--wasn’t that cross-platform enough?
>
> But then, maybe Dotnet is just as bloated as Electron ...

I don't /think/ dotnet works on Linux.. I could be wrong though.
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On Mon, 27 May 2024 22:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 03:25 this Saturday (GMT):
>> On 25 May 2024 03:19:09 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> If the various websites can be believed VSCode has become the IDE of
>>> choice for any language you care to mention.
>>
>> There is the question of why it had to be built on Electron, instead of
>> using Microsoft’s own Dotnet framework--wasn’t that cross-platform
>> enough?
>>
>> But then, maybe Dotnet is just as bloated as Electron ...
>
>
> I don't /think/ dotnet works on Linux.. I could be wrong though.

You are. If you haven't been following my recent posts dotnet 5.0 and
above is not .NET Framework. Depending on the distro the dotnet runtime
and sdk can be installed with the classic 'app install' or 'dnf install.
For Ubuntu you can use snap. I don't know if there is a flatpak.

GUIs aren't supported very well, if at all. While you can do console apps
the principle use is ASP.NET.

I won't reiterate how royally they muddied the waters by sticking a Core
postfix on things that weren't .NET Framework, and then dropped Core.
Modern .NET is not .NET Framwork.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 02:02 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 22:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 03:25 this Saturday (GMT):
>>> On 25 May 2024 03:19:09 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the various websites can be believed VSCode has become the IDE of
>>>> choice for any language you care to mention.
>>>
>>> There is the question of why it had to be built on Electron, instead of
>>> using Microsoft’s own Dotnet framework--wasn’t that cross-platform
>>> enough?
>>>
>>> But then, maybe Dotnet is just as bloated as Electron ...
>>
>>
>> I don't /think/ dotnet works on Linux.. I could be wrong though.
>
> You are. If you haven't been following my recent posts dotnet 5.0 and
> above is not .NET Framework. Depending on the distro the dotnet runtime
> and sdk can be installed with the classic 'app install' or 'dnf install.
> For Ubuntu you can use snap. I don't know if there is a flatpak.
>
> GUIs aren't supported very well, if at all. While you can do console apps
> the principle use is ASP.NET.
>
> I won't reiterate how royally they muddied the waters by sticking a Core
> postfix on things that weren't .NET Framework, and then dropped Core.
> Modern .NET is not .NET Framwork.

Oh, sorry. I probably shouldn't base my judgements on 20 year old games.
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