On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit :
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for
>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does.
>>
>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS.
>
> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world
> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form.

And vice versa.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-19 à 19:28, chrisv a écrit :
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit :
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for
>>>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does.
>>>>
>>>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS.
>>>
>>> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world
>>> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form.
>>
>> So where's the payware OS and software for, say, Raspbarry Pi?
>
> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
> such hardware?

Open source is not profit driven. The Raspberry Pi computers make a lot of
money for small start-up companies. But they're making hardware, not
software.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-12-19 à 20:16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro a écrit :
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 20:08:03 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
>> such hardware?
>
> There are no profits to be made in operating systems any more, for any
> hardware. You see this in the deteriorating quality of Microsoft Windows.

Except that 11 is better than 10 and 10, depending on who you ask, is
better than 8.1. No one will say that they preferred 8.1 over 7 but it
was an improvement for anyone who had a touchscreen. Similarly, 7 was
more stable than Vista. The only Windows versions that are definitely
worse than their predecessors are Millennium Edition and Vista, but
Vista was actually superior to XP in a number of ways that were ignored
by people unsatisfied by its poor performance on modest hardware.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-20 à 00:51, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-19 à 03:00, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:05, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-12-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:13:12 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
>>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international
>>>>>>> news).
>>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about
>>>>>>> the amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There were other factors like immigration but Scholz's brilliant policies
>>>>>> got him a vote of no confidence and the government failed. February will
>>>>>> be interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> That Scholz always looks like he's confused. I think Trudeau in Canada
>>>>> might be in trouble as well (also constantly confused).
>>>>
>>>> The media here is strongly suggesting that Trudeau will resign. They are
>>>> saying that there are too many factors around him pushing him in that
>>>> direction and that a January election is very likely. Of course, they
>>>> are underestimating Trudeau's self-awareness and therefore his knowledge
>>>> of how useless he is to the world if he loses the ultimate job. He has
>>>> no knowledge of law, he has shown himself to be incompetent on the
>>>> economic front and there is no greater example of a complete lack of
>>>> leadership. He would also be unwilling to move up the ladder of the
>>>> education system if he wanted to use the one degree he does have since
>>>> he was once heading the country. In other words, if he steps down, he
>>>> loses the Prime Minister's salary as well as the taxpayer-funded piggy
>>>> bank he's been using for personal matters. Plus, how is he supposed to
>>>> live without access to a private jet to see all his friends around the
>>>> world?!
>>>>
>>>> That faggot is going to hold onto power for dear life. He will have to
>>>> be forcibly removed from office when he loses the election he will be
>>>> forced to call at the end of 2025. Even when he loses and the
>>>> Conservatives get a majority, he will try something to keep himself in
>>>> power. He is that much of a tyrant.
>>>
>>> I think he and Macron are twin sons of different mothers. Both idiots.
>>
>> I think that they're desperately holding onto power because they have
>> been tasked with promoting Schwab's World Economic Forum agenda in their
>> respective countries and know that it would be dead in the water if they
>> left. Conservative politics are incompatible with the stakeholder
>> capitalism (Communism) the World Economic Forum is promoting so once
>> they resign, Schwab loses a good part of his power.
>
> I think Macron is one of the less intelligent Rothschilds. So he can
> probably stay as long he wants. I guess Treadle is living off his father's
> name. I would like to run down Canada for putting up with him, but we just
> put up with four years of a senile pervert — so I've got no ground to stand
> on.

The sad part is that Trudeau is indeed living off his father's name. The
problem is that the people who loved Pierre Elliot fondly remember
Trudeaumania in the late 60s and the "hope" that he brought with him.
They don't remember the result of him being elected: massive debts and
the devaluing of our dollar. The name Trudeau should be synonymous with
incompetence, but Canadians have a short memory just like Americans and
have for long been way too naive in believing the media that promoted
the interests of the progressives.

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CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-20 à 00:52, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-19 à 03:03, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that
>>>>>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer
>>>>>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how
>>>>>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing
>>>>>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most
>>>>>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their
>>>>>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop
>>>>>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking,
>>>>>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia.
>>>>>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical
>>>>>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much
>>>>>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as
>>>>>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of
>>>>>>>>>> power to play a game every hour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
>>>>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news).
>>>>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the
>>>>>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at
>>>>>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you
>>>>>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine
>>>>>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North
>>>>>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue.
>>>>>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in
>>>>>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that
>>>>>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop
>>>>>>> charging — of any kind).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a
>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need
>>>>>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs
>>>>>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD
>>>>>>>>> CPU).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or
>>>>>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will
>>>>>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I
>>>>>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64
>>>>>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens
>>>>>>>> sooner, all the better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not
>>>>>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many
>>>>>>> times now) I'm not a game player.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the
>>>>>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64
>>>>>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core
>>>>>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have
>>>>>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop
>>>>> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new
>>>>> computers at all in the next ten years (or so).
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but
>>>> I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop
>>>> working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available.
>>>> When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one.
>>>
>>> That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that
>>> parts are widely available and cheap.
>>
>> True, but those parts will probably only be found in landfills after a
>> while. The same way that it becomes difficult to find parts for cars
>> after five years, it becomes hard to find parts for laptops after about
>> three.
>
> I don't know. I've played with a lot of old Dell Latitudes and I've always
> managed to find the parts I need.

Le 2024-12-20 à 00:54, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit :
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for
>>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does.
>>>
>>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS.
>>
>> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world
>> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form.
>
> And vice versa.

Admittedly, "rudimentary" is the key word when talking about the Windows
Store. You can find software there, but it's rather poor in comparison
to the win32 stuff you'll find on the web. To think that Microsoft
offers you the option to only obtain software from there in Windows...

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-20 à 00:56, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-19 à 19:28, chrisv a écrit :
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for
>>>>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS.
>>>>
>>>> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world
>>>> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form.
>>>
>>> So where's the payware OS and software for, say, Raspbarry Pi?
>>
>> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
>> such hardware?
>
> Open source is not profit driven. The Raspberry Pi computers make a lot of
> money for small start-up companies. But they're making hardware, not
> software.

And this is why GNOME is a few months away from going bankrupt as is
Mozilla after Google's legal loss. This is also why KDE nags you for
donations when you first use the desktop environment. Say what you will
about open-source users, but they're pretty bad at giving money to the
organizations that produce the software they use. This is also why the
most talented programmers working on open-source eventually give up and
produce software that they can sell.

--
CrudeSausage

On 12/19/2024 2:53 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:

> Cause some new girl in the warehouse

The warehouse? You're that old man who walks in front of the forklift
waving little orange flags.

It's good you found a job commensurate with your mental abilities.

On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-20 à 00:52, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 03:03, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking,
>>>>>>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia.
>>>>>>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical
>>>>>>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much
>>>>>>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as
>>>>>>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of
>>>>>>>>>>> power to play a game every hour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
>>>>>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news).
>>>>>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the
>>>>>>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at
>>>>>>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you
>>>>>>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine
>>>>>>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North
>>>>>>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue.
>>>>>>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in
>>>>>>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that
>>>>>>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop
>>>>>>>> charging — of any kind).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a
>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need
>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs
>>>>>>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD
>>>>>>>>>> CPU).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or
>>>>>>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will
>>>>>>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I
>>>>>>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64
>>>>>>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens
>>>>>>>>> sooner, all the better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not
>>>>>>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many
>>>>>>>> times now) I'm not a game player.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the
>>>>>>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64
>>>>>>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core
>>>>>>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have
>>>>>>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop
>>>>>> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new
>>>>>> computers at all in the next ten years (or so).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but
>>>>> I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop
>>>>> working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available.
>>>>> When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one.
>>>>
>>>> That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that
>>>> parts are widely available and cheap.
>>>
>>> True, but those parts will probably only be found in landfills after a
>>> while. The same way that it becomes difficult to find parts for cars
>>> after five years, it becomes hard to find parts for laptops after about
>>> three.
>>
>> I don't know. I've played with a lot of old Dell Latitudes and I've always
>> managed to find the parts I need.
>
> I guess the Dell Latitude is the Model T of computers.

On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-20 à 00:56, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 19:28, chrisv a écrit :
>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for
>>>>>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS.
>>>>>
>>>>> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world
>>>>> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form.
>>>>
>>>> So where's the payware OS and software for, say, Raspbarry Pi?
>>>
>>> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
>>> such hardware?
>>
>> Open source is not profit driven. The Raspberry Pi computers make a lot of
>> money for small start-up companies. But they're making hardware, not
>> software.
>
> And this is why GNOME is a few months away from going bankrupt as is
> Mozilla after Google's legal loss. This is also why KDE nags you for
> donations when you first use the desktop environment. Say what you will
> about open-source users, but they're pretty bad at giving money to the
> organizations that produce the software they use. This is also why the
> most talented programmers working on open-source eventually give up and
> produce software that they can sell.

A quick lookup on the GNOME Foundation (not GNOME's) supposed upcoming
bankruptcy. And exchange from two posters on Reddit...

Who started this fake news saying that GNOME would "go bankrupt"? I'm
really curious. We're talking about a non-profit organization.

Lunduke. It's always f-ing Lunduke.

Hope someone sues his ass one day for this type of shit.

I'm guessing that the Lunduke moron was your "source" (so to speak).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-19 à 20:16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro a écrit :
>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 20:08:03 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
>>> such hardware?
>>
>> There are no profits to be made in operating systems any more, for any
>> hardware. You see this in the deteriorating quality of Microsoft Windows.
>
> Except that 11 is better than 10 and 10, depending on who you ask, is
> better than 8.1. No one will say that they preferred 8.1 over 7 but it
> was an improvement for anyone who had a touchscreen. Similarly, 7 was
> more stable than Vista. The only Windows versions that are definitely
> worse than their predecessors are Millennium Edition and Vista, but
> Vista was actually superior to XP in a number of ways that were ignored
> by people unsatisfied by its poor performance on modest hardware.

Sure 11 is "better," if you like even more advertising in your OS and AI
horse crap. (But I admit it does updates slightly better... only a couple
hours instead of four or five.)

And you're forgetting Windows 8, which was definitely worse than 7 (and
almost completely ignored by Windows users). Windows 8.1 was basically
Windows 10.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-12-20 à 13:28, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-20 à 00:56, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 19:28, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for
>>>>>>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world
>>>>>> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form.
>>>>>
>>>>> So where's the payware OS and software for, say, Raspbarry Pi?
>>>>
>>>> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
>>>> such hardware?
>>>
>>> Open source is not profit driven. The Raspberry Pi computers make a lot of
>>> money for small start-up companies. But they're making hardware, not
>>> software.
>>
>> And this is why GNOME is a few months away from going bankrupt as is
>> Mozilla after Google's legal loss. This is also why KDE nags you for
>> donations when you first use the desktop environment. Say what you will
>> about open-source users, but they're pretty bad at giving money to the
>> organizations that produce the software they use. This is also why the
>> most talented programmers working on open-source eventually give up and
>> produce software that they can sell.
>
> A quick lookup on the GNOME Foundation (not GNOME's) supposed upcoming
> bankruptcy. And exchange from two posters on Reddit...
>
> Who started this fake news saying that GNOME would "go bankrupt"? I'm
> really curious. We're talking about a non-profit organization.
>
> Lunduke. It's always f-ing Lunduke.
>
> Hope someone sues his ass one day for this type of shit.
>
> I'm guessing that the Lunduke moron was your "source" (so to speak).

It was indeed Lunduke, but he's basing his report on GNOME's own
numbers. I hope that you'll apologize when it indeed goes bankrupt not
too long from now.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-20 à 13:31, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-19 à 20:16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro a écrit :
>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 20:08:03 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
>>>> such hardware?
>>>
>>> There are no profits to be made in operating systems any more, for any
>>> hardware. You see this in the deteriorating quality of Microsoft Windows.
>>
>> Except that 11 is better than 10 and 10, depending on who you ask, is
>> better than 8.1. No one will say that they preferred 8.1 over 7 but it
>> was an improvement for anyone who had a touchscreen. Similarly, 7 was
>> more stable than Vista. The only Windows versions that are definitely
>> worse than their predecessors are Millennium Edition and Vista, but
>> Vista was actually superior to XP in a number of ways that were ignored
>> by people unsatisfied by its poor performance on modest hardware.
>
> Sure 11 is "better," if you like even more advertising in your OS and AI
> horse crap. (But I admit it does updates slightly better... only a couple
> hours instead of four or five.)

Perhaps there is lots of advertising in Windows 11 if you are in the
United States, but I don't see anything but the weather and news items
here.

> And you're forgetting Windows 8, which was definitely worse than 7 (and
> almost completely ignored by Windows users). Windows 8.1 was basically
> Windows 10.

Windows 8.1 was much snappier than 10 in everyday use but just as bad
with updates. 8 only sucked at first if you had no idea where the Start
button went and that it was replaced by simply navigating to the
bottom-left corner. Once you got that out of the way, it was fine.
However, it gave too much importance to the modern apps.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-20 à 13:28, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-20 à 00:56, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 19:28, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for
>>>>>>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world
>>>>>> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form.
>>>>>
>>>>> So where's the payware OS and software for, say, Raspbarry Pi?
>>>>
>>>> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
>>>> such hardware?
>>>
>>> Open source is not profit driven. The Raspberry Pi computers make a lot of
>>> money for small start-up companies. But they're making hardware, not
>>> software.
>>
>> And this is why GNOME is a few months away from going bankrupt as is
>> Mozilla after Google's legal loss. This is also why KDE nags you for
>> donations when you first use the desktop environment. Say what you will
>> about open-source users, but they're pretty bad at giving money to the
>> organizations that produce the software they use. This is also why the
>> most talented programmers working on open-source eventually give up and
>> produce software that they can sell.
>
> A quick lookup on the GNOME Foundation (not GNOME's) supposed upcoming
> bankruptcy. And exchange from two posters on Reddit...
>
> Who started this fake news saying that GNOME would "go bankrupt"? I'm
> really curious. We're talking about a non-profit organization.
>
> Lunduke. It's always f-ing Lunduke.
>
> Hope someone sues his ass one day for this type of shit.
>
> I'm guessing that the Lunduke moron was your "source" (so to speak).

I just want to add that Lunduke is currently hated by the woke idiots
running Linux because he tells the truth. He's the one who revealed Red
Hat and IBM's discriminatoty practises, he's also the one who revealed
how Mozilla is turning into its own woke organization. Everyone is
refusing to speak about the elephant in the room but he's pointing it
out. Feel free to read his entire article with the numbers GNOME itself
has provided and show where he is wrong, especially now that GNOME laid
off 33% of its staff.

Face it: you're being played by the same bearded men who are telling you
they're women.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Open source is not profit driven.

Tell that to Red Hat.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>> Open source is not profit driven.
>
> Tell that to Red Hat.

It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>> Open source is not profit driven.
>>
>> Tell that to Red Hat.
>
> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money.

Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There
is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the
part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that
contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that
sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to
pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one
without the other.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Open source is not profit driven.
>>>
>>> Tell that to Red Hat.
>>
>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money.
>
> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There
> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the
> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that
> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that
> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to
> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one
> without the other.

You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would
never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile
fruitcakes they employ.

--
CrudeSausage

On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-20 à 13:28, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 00:56, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 19:28, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for
>>>>>>>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world
>>>>>>> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So where's the payware OS and software for, say, Raspbarry Pi?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
>>>>> such hardware?
>>>>
>>>> Open source is not profit driven. The Raspberry Pi computers make a lot of
>>>> money for small start-up companies. But they're making hardware, not
>>>> software.
>>>
>>> And this is why GNOME is a few months away from going bankrupt as is
>>> Mozilla after Google's legal loss. This is also why KDE nags you for
>>> donations when you first use the desktop environment. Say what you will
>>> about open-source users, but they're pretty bad at giving money to the
>>> organizations that produce the software they use. This is also why the
>>> most talented programmers working on open-source eventually give up and
>>> produce software that they can sell.
>>
>> A quick lookup on the GNOME Foundation (not GNOME's) supposed upcoming
>> bankruptcy. And exchange from two posters on Reddit...
>>
>> Who started this fake news saying that GNOME would "go bankrupt"? I'm
>> really curious. We're talking about a non-profit organization.
>>
>> Lunduke. It's always f-ing Lunduke.
>>
>> Hope someone sues his ass one day for this type of shit.
>>
>> I'm guessing that the Lunduke moron was your "source" (so to speak).
>
> It was indeed Lunduke, but he's basing his report on GNOME's own
> numbers. I hope that you'll apologize when it indeed goes bankrupt not
> too long from now.

I won't be holding my breath.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-20 à 13:28, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 00:56, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 19:28, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit :
>>>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for
>>>>>>>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world
>>>>>>> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So where's the payware OS and software for, say, Raspbarry Pi?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are the profits in producing an operating system and software for
>>>>> such hardware?
>>>>
>>>> Open source is not profit driven. The Raspberry Pi computers make a lot of
>>>> money for small start-up companies. But they're making hardware, not
>>>> software.
>>>
>>> And this is why GNOME is a few months away from going bankrupt as is
>>> Mozilla after Google's legal loss. This is also why KDE nags you for
>>> donations when you first use the desktop environment. Say what you will
>>> about open-source users, but they're pretty bad at giving money to the
>>> organizations that produce the software they use. This is also why the
>>> most talented programmers working on open-source eventually give up and
>>> produce software that they can sell.
>>
>> A quick lookup on the GNOME Foundation (not GNOME's) supposed upcoming
>> bankruptcy. And exchange from two posters on Reddit...
>>
>> Who started this fake news saying that GNOME would "go bankrupt"? I'm
>> really curious. We're talking about a non-profit organization.
>>
>> Lunduke. It's always f-ing Lunduke.
>>
>> Hope someone sues his ass one day for this type of shit.
>>
>> I'm guessing that the Lunduke moron was your "source" (so to speak).
>
> I just want to add that Lunduke is currently hated by the woke idiots
> running Linux because he tells the truth. He's the one who revealed Red
> Hat and IBM's discriminatoty practises, he's also the one who revealed
> how Mozilla is turning into its own woke organization. Everyone is
> refusing to speak about the elephant in the room but he's pointing it
> out. Feel free to read his entire article with the numbers GNOME itself
> has provided and show where he is wrong, especially now that GNOME laid
> off 33% of its staff.
>
> Face it: you're being played by the same bearded men who are telling you
> they're women.

No Lunduke spreads FUD, he doesn't tell the truth. I remember the last
"scare" you brought up of his about CUPs and how it was supposedly going to
be the end of Linux. Where did that "the sky is falling" story go? Total
drama queen and bullshitter.

Politics is another matter, but Woke is dying, I'm getting less and less
concerened about it. Disney even recently removed a transgender character
from one of their cartoons. They're getting the message, "Go Woke, Go
Broke." Sex crap should not be a part of kid's shows. Period.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Open source is not profit driven.
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to Red Hat.
>>>
>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money.
>>
>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There
>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the
>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that
>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that
>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to
>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one
>> without the other.
>
> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would
> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile
> fruitcakes they employ.

But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft?

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-12-21 à 02:47, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open source is not profit driven.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell that to Red Hat.
>>>>
>>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money.
>>>
>>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There
>>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the
>>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that
>>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that
>>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to
>>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one
>>> without the other.
>>
>> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would
>> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile
>> fruitcakes they employ.
>
> But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft?

Microsoft hires progressives, but not pedophiles. Pedophiles are too
busy trying to get dates with 13-year-olds using ElementaryOS to get the
university degrees necessary to get hired at Microsoft.

--
CrudeSausage

On 12/21/24 2:45 AM, RonB wrote:
> ...
> Politics is another matter, but Woke is dying, I'm getting less and less
> concerened about it. Disney even recently removed a transgender character
> from one of their cartoons. They're getting the message, "Go Woke, Go
> Broke." Sex crap should not be a part of kid's shows. Period.
>

"Woke" was only ever a massive scaremongering hype by the far right,
which a lot of folks fell for, hook, line & sinker.

Case in point:

"NCAA president says there are ‘less than 10’ transgender athletes in
college sports

DEC 19, 2024 / 11:36 AM CST

NCAA President Charlie Baker told a Senate panel that there are fewer
than 10 transgender athletes he is aware of who currently compete in
college sports, pouring cold water on an issue Republicans have said is
a nationwide problem and one that is increasingly fraught territory for
Democrats.

“How many athletes are there in the U.S. in NCAA schools?” Sen. Dick
Durbin (D-Ill.) asked Baker during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing
Tuesday on federal regulations around sports gambling.

“Five hundred and ten thousand,” said Baker, a former Republican
governor of Massachusetts who has served as president of the NCAA, which
governs intercollegiate athletics at more than 1,000 colleges and
universities across the country, since 2023."

<https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/sports/ncaa-preside-transgender-athletes-college-sports/>

For those who are bad at math, 10/510,000 = 0.002%

FYI, let's also preempt the "..but what if the NCAA's reporting system
is wrong?" scaremongering scenario:

The above number is so small that their reporting would have to be wrong
by 50,000% for it to become even but 1% of their population.

-hh

On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-21 à 02:47, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>>>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Open source is not profit driven.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell that to Red Hat.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money.
>>>>
>>>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There
>>>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the
>>>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that
>>>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that
>>>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to
>>>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one
>>>> without the other.
>>>
>>> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would
>>> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile
>>> fruitcakes they employ.
>>
>> But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft?
>
> Microsoft hires progressives, but not pedophiles. Pedophiles are too
> busy trying to get dates with 13-year-olds using ElementaryOS to get the
> university degrees necessary to get hired at Microsoft.

Right. And it's "nice" that you believe that about Microsoft's Woke
"progressives." (They're fuzzy and warm, unlike the Woke "progressives" in
the Linux world. This transgender crap has one purpose, to give kids the
"right" to make their own sexual decisions so pedophile perverts can have
sex with kids.) Funny how people can shunt their brains when they become
fanboi partisans for a specific product.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-12-21 à 17:42, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-21 à 02:47, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Open source is not profit driven.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell that to Red Hat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There
>>>>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the
>>>>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that
>>>>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that
>>>>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to
>>>>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one
>>>>> without the other.
>>>>
>>>> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would
>>>> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile
>>>> fruitcakes they employ.
>>>
>>> But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft?
>>
>> Microsoft hires progressives, but not pedophiles. Pedophiles are too
>> busy trying to get dates with 13-year-olds using ElementaryOS to get the
>> university degrees necessary to get hired at Microsoft.
>
> Right. And it's "nice" that you believe that about Microsoft's Woke
> "progressives." (They're fuzzy and warm, unlike the Woke "progressives" in
> the Linux world. This transgender crap has one purpose, to give kids the
> "right" to make their own sexual decisions so pedophile perverts can have
> sex with kids.) Funny how people can shunt their brains when they become
> fanboi partisans for a specific product.

I'm not saying that the pedophiles at Microsoft are any more moral than
the ones in the Linux world; I'm saying that they are at the very least
university graduates. The work Microsoft demands from them also doesn't
afford them much time to diddle children whereas open-source developers
have lots of free time because they usually make their own schedules.

--
CrudeSausage