On 1/16/25 9:40 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 1/16/25 5:56 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 1/16/25 3:34 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> but $25K today buys a new Civic or another "budget" car.
>>
>>
>>
>> $25K car is a "budget" car these days? Hehe :-)
>
> New car, just like how the conversation was originally about new PCs.
>
>
> And yes, 'budget' in the context of new car prices, since Edmunds' 3Q24
> report found that the average new car in the USA cost $47,542.
>
> And FYI, average used car price was $27,177.
>
>
>> The last car I bought is a Toyota Echo 2002, in 2017, for $1600.
>
> Bully for you.  Did it include a radio?  My first car didn't.
>
>
> -hh

From today's craigslist:

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris-hatchback/7815953954.html

2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about 20
minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem with my
Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.

A used car is worth, and priced, between $1500 to $2000. Anything above
that is a rip off. A computer is worth between $70 and $80.

And at the bottom of it, ANY car above $2000 and ANY computer above $80
is a rip off. New or used. That's my main point. You guys have bad
habits. You're like those psycho Shoe freaks. Or those who lose their
savings buying stocks that aren't worth what they're paying for. You
don't know what you're doing, and others smarter than you, or rather are
simply healthy in mind, are taking advantage of that.

In how many different ways have I pointed to this fact? Blows my mind.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:40:14 -0500, Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 03:09:43 +0000, Manu Raju wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux gets bloats every two weeks and some people like it! I don't
>>>> and so I solved the dilemma by moving to Windows.
>>>
>>>Windows is the one that needs regular defragging and running of dodgy
>>>hacks like CCleaner etc. Linux does not.
>>
>> I never needed that with Windows, but reinstalling ended up happening,
>> from time to time.
>
>I haven't bothered with dual boot in a long time but the problem with a
>Windows install that had been running for any length of time was it left
>pecker tracks all over the HDD. You had to defrag to get enough free
>storage all in one place.

I would only dual-boot with a second Windows SSD, but I reject the Win
platform as a dead end.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:40:22 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> I wrote programs on them that I'm still using today!
> For one, a calendar conversion program I wrote handled conversions
> between Iranian lunar, Iranian solar, the Gregorian and before that the
> Julian solar dates nicely. Maximum error just one day! And you could go
> back in time even to the days of Darius if you insisted, cause I also
> took into account the precession of the Earth's rotational axis. I know
> of no calendar inversion software (accessible to public) that does that.
> They'll get even the season wrong if you go back that far, let alone the
> day.
>

I believe that Julian Dates (JD) are used for this purpose. The JD
is a count of the number of days since January 1, 4713 BCE.

The next step would be to convert the JD to a particular solar or
lunar calendar.

GNU/Linux has complete JD facilities.

I am not sure how the GNU/Linux "cal" command would handle historic
dates before the Julian calendar, which was introduced in 45 BCE.
But I am investigating this issue now because it is, to me, a very
interesting one.

I do know that cal can handle accurately dates during that bizarre
period of Julian-to-Gregorian transition.

--
Hail Linux! Hail FOSS! Hail Stallman!

Physfitfreak wrote:

> From today's craigslist:
>
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris-hatchback/7815953954.html
>
>2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about 20
>minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem with my
>Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.

That's Chris A's old car, so it's probably never exceded the speed
limit.

--
"I said that distro watch or similar should not catalog anything
unless it has been through an OSS approval committee to *HELP* ensure
that the market isn't flooded with half arsed distros made by nut jobs
trying to get their names in lights" - "OSS Approval Committee"
chairman "Hadron" Quack

On 1/17/25 5:05 AM, Joel wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:40:14 -0500, Joel wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 03:09:43 +0000, Manu Raju wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Linux gets bloats every two weeks and some people like it! I don't
>>>>> and so I solved the dilemma by moving to Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Windows is the one that needs regular defragging and running of dodgy
>>>> hacks like CCleaner etc. Linux does not.
>>>
>>> I never needed that with Windows, but reinstalling ended up happening,
>>> from time to time.
>>
>> I haven't bothered with dual boot in a long time but the problem with a
>> Windows install that had been running for any length of time was it left
>> pecker tracks all over the HDD. You had to defrag to get enough free
>> storage all in one place.
>
>
> I would only dual-boot with a second Windows SSD, but I reject the Win
> platform as a dead end.

I have to admit that once you get everything you use working in Linux,
the idea of going back to Windows makes you feel sick to your stomach.
It's hard not to love the stellar responsiveness of your computer under
Linux. No matter how fast your computer is, it always feel like it's
lagging in Windows. It's not even an fTPM issue; it just feels like the
system is waiting on something else before it responds to your action.

--
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Gab: @CrudeSausage
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KDE supporting member
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CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

>> I would only dual-boot with a second Windows SSD, but I reject the Win
>> platform as a dead end.
>
>I have to admit that once you get everything you use working in Linux,
>the idea of going back to Windows makes you feel sick to your stomach.
>It's hard not to love the stellar responsiveness of your computer under
>Linux. No matter how fast your computer is, it always feel like it's
>lagging in Windows. It's not even an fTPM issue; it just feels like the
>system is waiting on something else before it responds to your action.

Linux doesn't take you for granted.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 1/17/25 10:43 AM, Joel wrote:
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>>> I would only dual-boot with a second Windows SSD, but I reject the Win
>>> platform as a dead end.
>>
>> I have to admit that once you get everything you use working in Linux,
>> the idea of going back to Windows makes you feel sick to your stomach.
>> It's hard not to love the stellar responsiveness of your computer under
>> Linux. No matter how fast your computer is, it always feel like it's
>> lagging in Windows. It's not even an fTPM issue; it just feels like the
>> system is waiting on something else before it responds to your action.
>
> Linux doesn't take you for granted.

That's what I've begun to understand. I'm seeing that if there is a
significant problem in Linux and there is a reason to fix it, they will.
I emphasize the adjective _significant_ there, not the ridiculous
"issues" DFS has with LibreOffice Calc. My experience with the fTPM
issue, and the constant reminders that Secure Boot can routinely be
exploited through Windows, makes it clear that both the manufacturers
and Microsoft aren't as concerned with security as they should be. For
its part, Apple has demonstrated that its commitment is to diversity,
equity and inclusion over innovation and security, so I can easily
disregard them as a potential source of my electronics.

It truly looks like I'll be going with System76 and Manjaro going forward.

--
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vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 02:49:17 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vmcgfd$3osq8$2@dont-email.me>:
>
> > On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 18:06:00 -0500, Paul wrote:
> >
> >> You can freeze a copy of C: for example, and run a Robocopy over it.
> >
> > Until you hit the limitations of Windows and Robocopy, and have to give
> > up on it and use Linux instead.
> >
> > <https://www.theregister.com/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/>
>
> I suspect things may have changed in the last *14 years*.

Not to mention that the alleged limitations of Robocopy are bogus.

And to finish it off, it's a perfect example of using the wong tool,
instead of - oh irony - the tool which is the subject of this part of
the thread, as Paul pointed out before and again pointed out in response
to Lawrence' post.

On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 07:34:06 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> From today's craigslist:
>>
>>https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris-hatchback/7815953954.html
>>
>>2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about 20
>>minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem with my
>>Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.
>
>That's Chris A's old car, so it's probably never exceded the speed
>limit.

There's a mostly empty Cheetos bag under the driver's seat.

On 1/17/25 3:04 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 1/16/25 9:40 PM, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/16/25 5:56 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 1/16/25 3:34 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>> but $25K today buys a new Civic or another "budget" car.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $25K car is a "budget" car these days? Hehe :-)
>>
>> New car, just like how the conversation was originally about new PCs.
>>
>>
>> And yes, 'budget' in the context of new car prices, since Edmunds'
>> 3Q24 report found that the average new car in the USA cost $47,542.
>>
>> And FYI, average used car price was $27,177.
>>
>>
>>> The last car I bought is a Toyota Echo 2002, in 2017, for $1600.
>>
>> Bully for you.  Did it include a radio?  My first car didn't.
>
> From today's craigslist:
>
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris-
> hatchback/7815953954.html
>
> 2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about 20
> minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem with my
> Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.
>
> A used car is worth, and priced, between $1500 to $2000. Anything above
> that is a rip off. A computer is worth between $70 and $80.
>
> And at the bottom of it, ANY car above $2000 and ANY computer above $80
> is a rip off. New or used. That's my main point. You guys have bad
> habits.

If something really is a "ripoff" depends on many more factors than
merely if it minimally meets your personal transportation needs.

For example, when someone isn't personally handy with doing DIY roadside
repairs, how does that change selection criteria? Ditto for other
factors, such as to reliably arriving at work on time. Or driving
through remote regions without being stranded, or even just though
unsafe urban neighborhoods. Plus seating for how many passengers? Need
heat? Snow tires? Or summer A/C? Handicapped? There's a wide variety
of what constitutes "good enough" transportation across a population.

And sure, one can keep a car running forever with enough maintenance,
but that's not free, nor constant per mile: as costs change and
accumulate, there's a cost-benefit trade-off decision for where
vehicular replacement can become the more fiscally prudent choice than
the sum of various maintenance costs (including time spent) to keep the
old Yaris on the road vs junking it and getting another one.

Likewise, you can also choose to go buy another used vehicle with its
unknown history/reliability and spend whatever time & money again to
make it sufficiently reliable/etc ... but it again comes back to the
question of if that's how you want to spend your time vs pursuit of
other endeavors/interests.

> You guys have bad
> habits. You're like those psycho Shoe freaks. Or those who lose their
> savings buying stocks that aren't worth what they're paying for. You
> don't know what you're doing, and others smarter than you, or rather are
> simply healthy in mind, are taking advantage of that.

Not at all, for much of the point here is that everything can be
simplified down to a "Make, or Buy" kind of decision point: want to
keep on making your DIY repairs on PCs & cars? No one is stopping you.
But trying to call everyone else a fool because they've not made the
same choices you have is what's inappropriate. Particularly for anyone
who's ever paid someone to prepare a meal instead of making it themselves.

> In how many different ways have I pointed to this fact? Blows my mind.

As many as you think you'll have to, in order to keep deflecting from
the original "new vs new" cost comparison, and how PCs costs have come
way down in price ... because this also includes the used ones which
have also become cheaper over the years too.

-hh

On 1/17/25 7:03 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> I believe that Julian Dates (JD) are used for this purpose. The JD
> is a count of the number of days since January 1, 4713 BCE.

Even if you accurately count the number of days past since, say, the day
with date 1/17/1700, it won't mean you have all the information about
that day's correct location in that year; because, Earth's tilted axis
of rotation is not along a fixed direction. The axis wobbles, or
"precesses" all the time. So a historian who wrote down the date as
1/17/1700 on that day, will slightly be in a different time of the year
compared to the present day's 1/17/2025.

As long as the difference falls below one day, this is not that
important. But if you go back farther in time to Darius's era, this
difference places you in a different season of the year. A historian who
according to your calculations would've written down the date 1/17/-1500
in his notes, was not on the January 17th of that year! He was in
another season of that year. Therefore your calculated result of
1/17/-1500 is meaningless.

This may look a rather simple astronomy problem, but when you want to
program it, it gets tough sometimes. And there are options to take to
correct the discrepancies. I took the option of modifying the length of
a day just enough to take care of precession of the axis of rotation of
Earth, as well as of course its orbiting around the sun (which by itself
introduces one day of discrepancy per year.)

On 1/17/2025 8:34 AM, shitv wrote:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> From today's craigslist:
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris-hatchback/7815953954.html
>>
>> 2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about 20
>> minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem with my
>> Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.
>
> That's Chris A's old car, so it's probably never exceded the speed
> limit.

All the steering wheel wear is at 10 and 2.

On 1/17/2025 5:05 AM, Joel wrote:

> I reject the Win platform as a dead end.

Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates.

On 1/17/2025 11:07 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

> I'm seeing that if there is a
> significant problem in Linux and there is a reason to fix it, they will.
> I emphasize the adjective _significant_ there, not the ridiculous
> "issues" DFS has with LibreOffice Calc.

Which ridiculous issues are you referring to?

On 1/17/25 2:57 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 1/17/25 3:04 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 1/16/25 9:40 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> On 1/16/25 5:56 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/25 3:34 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>> but $25K today buys a new Civic or another "budget" car.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> $25K car is a "budget" car these days? Hehe :-)
>>>
>>> New car, just like how the conversation was originally about new PCs.
>>>
>>>
>>> And yes, 'budget' in the context of new car prices, since Edmunds'
>>> 3Q24 report found that the average new car in the USA cost $47,542.
>>>
>>> And FYI, average used car price was $27,177.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The last car I bought is a Toyota Echo 2002, in 2017, for $1600.
>>>
>>> Bully for you.  Did it include a radio?  My first car didn't.
>>
>>  From today's craigslist:
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris-
>> hatchback/7815953954.html
>>
>> 2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about
>> 20 minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem
>> with my Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.
>>
>> A used car is worth, and priced, between $1500 to $2000. Anything
>> above that is a rip off. A computer is worth between $70 and $80.
>>
>> And at the bottom of it, ANY car above $2000 and ANY computer above
>> $80 is a rip off. New or used. That's my main point.  You guys have
>> bad habits.
>
> If something really is a "ripoff" depends on many more factors than
> merely if it minimally meets your personal transportation needs.
>
> For example, when someone isn't personally handy with doing DIY roadside
> repairs, how does that change selection criteria?  Ditto for other
> factors, such as to reliably arriving at work on time.  Or driving
> through remote regions without being stranded, or even just though
> unsafe urban neighborhoods.  Plus seating for how many passengers?  Need
> heat?  Snow tires?  Or summer A/C?  Handicapped?  There's a wide variety
> of what constitutes "good enough" transportation across a population.
>
> And sure, one can keep a car running forever with enough maintenance,
> but that's not free, nor constant per mile:  as costs change and
> accumulate, there's a cost-benefit trade-off decision for where
> vehicular replacement can become the more fiscally prudent choice than
> the sum of various maintenance costs (including time spent) to keep the
> old Yaris on the road vs junking it and getting another one.
>
> Likewise, you can also choose to go buy another used vehicle with its
> unknown history/reliability and spend whatever time & money again to
> make it sufficiently reliable/etc ... but it again comes back to the
> question of if that's how you want to spend your time vs pursuit of
> other endeavors/interests.
>
>
>> You guys have bad habits. You're like those psycho Shoe freaks. Or
>> those who lose their savings buying stocks that aren't worth what
>> they're paying for. You don't know what you're doing, and others
>> smarter than you, or rather are simply healthy in mind, are taking
>> advantage of that.
>
> Not at all, for much of the point here is that everything can be
> simplified down to a "Make, or Buy" kind of decision point:  want to
> keep on making your DIY repairs on PCs & cars?  No one is stopping you.
> But trying to call everyone else a fool because they've not made the
> same choices you have is what's inappropriate.  Particularly for anyone
> who's ever paid someone to prepare a meal instead of making it themselves.
>
>
>> In how many different ways have I pointed to this fact? Blows my mind.
>
> As many as you think you'll have to, in order to keep deflecting from
> the original "new vs new" cost comparison, and how PCs costs have come
> way down in price ... because this also includes the used ones which
> have also become cheaper over the years too.
>
>
> -hh

With some people I have to exaggerate to show my point.

Movies do that too, by the way. The movie "American Psycho" tried to
depict the same type of people that I said have bad habits.

I remember one scene where a guy killed someone with an axe cause the
latter's business card looked better than his.

Some of you kill others to solve it. Some pay $80k for an automobile! I
know what drives you.

Never had to use a defragger on Linux, and likely never will.

On 1/17/25 5:18 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 1/17/2025 5:05 AM, Joel wrote:
>
>
>> I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
>
>
> Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates.

I wouldn't be so certain. People are becoming increasingly aware to the
inevitable problems Windows forces them to have like the fTPM stuttering
(which includes spoiled gaming and corrupted encoding of videos) and the
numerous security exploits which often result in identity or data theft.
The alternative is no longer to buy a processor from the other company
or a computer from the other manufacturer; the whole platform needs to
be rebuilt. The problem is that you can't ask Microsoft to do it because
their incompetence is what created the issues in the first place.

--
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Telegram: @CrudeSausage
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KDE supporting member
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 16:00:55 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

>
> Even if you accurately count the number of days past since, say, the day
> with date 1/17/1700, it won't mean you have all the information about
> that day's correct location in that year; because, Earth's tilted axis
> of rotation is not along a fixed direction. The axis wobbles, or
> "precesses" all the time. So a historian who wrote down the date as
> 1/17/1700 on that day, will slightly be in a different time of the year
> compared to the present day's 1/17/2025.
>
> As long as the difference falls below one day, this is not that
> important. But if you go back farther in time to Darius's era, this
> difference places you in a different season of the year. A historian who
> according to your calculations would've written down the date 1/17/-1500
> in his notes, was not on the January 17th of that year! He was in
> another season of that year. Therefore your calculated result of
> 1/17/-1500 is meaningless.
>
> This may look a rather simple astronomy problem, but when you want to
> program it, it gets tough sometimes. And there are options to take to
> correct the discrepancies. I took the option of modifying the length of
> a day just enough to take care of precession of the axis of rotation of
> Earth, as well as of course its orbiting around the sun (which by itself
> introduces one day of discrepancy per year.)
>

I understand what you are saying, but, unfortunately, I am not well
versed in astronomical calculations and thus I cannot competently
respond to your comments.

However, I do suspect that the problem of accurately rectifying Julian
dates to various solar/lunar calendars has been solved long ago.

We need input from the GNU/Linux "experts" on this NG but I believe
that the "experts" are only a bunch of fat-chewing ignoramuses that
cannot distinguish their asses from a hole in the ground.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

On 1/17/25 5:19 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 1/17/2025 11:07 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> I'm seeing that if there is a significant problem in Linux and there
>> is a reason to fix it, they will. I emphasize the adjective
>> _significant_ there, not the ridiculous "issues" DFS has with
>> LibreOffice Calc.
>
> Which ridiculous issues are you referring to?

I didn't pay enough attention to your constant complaints about
LibreOffice Calc and database software to record them.

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On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 02:10:16 -0500, Paul wrote:

> That's *not* how you transfer sixty million files.

And yet it worked, as per the original article. Being a file-level copy,
it could move the files between entirely different filesystem formats and
volume sizes. And do so efficiently.

Windows seems to force you into thinking in terms of sector-level copies
and low-level “imaging” and like that. Filesystems are supposed to
abstract away from all that. They do on Linux, but it seems Windows hasn’t
quite caught up to that idea yet.

The right tool turned out to be: “use Linux”.

On 1/17/25 5:15 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> owever, I do suspect that the problem of accurately rectifying Julian
> dates to various solar/lunar calendars has been solved long ago.

Of course. It's just that instead of sitting down and doing a back of
the envelop calculation to convert dates every time I encountered a lazy
ass author who would use lunar and solar dates in the same article,
confusing the heck out of readers, I decided to program the calculations
once and for all. When I wrote the calendar program no such software
accessible to people in general existed to do that. Years later some
Arab wrote the "Hdate" program and provided it free to public, but It
could not go back as far as I would need, and it only converted to and
from Iranian solar and Islamic lunar calendars (if I remember it
correctly). For something like a few decades after that I could not
still find one suitable enough for me, and kept using my own program.

And now I'm here, still using it :) I'm not sure anymore cause I've not
checked it out recently, that there is or there isn't a calendar
converter as good as my own, that's available free to public.

Mine has minimal user interface of course. It is very utilitarian. Uses
the same screen that you see in DOS.

I have two versions of it. One that runs on Windows, and one that only
runs on DOS. Once I asked Relf how that was possible. He didn't, or
couldn't, answer it.

On 1/17/25 5:15 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> We need input from the GNU/Linux "experts" on this NG but I believe
> that the "experts" are only a bunch of fat-chewing ignoramuses that
> cannot distinguish their asses from a hole in the ground.

If there is any experts in this forum and they're not answering, they're
either cro-magnon or immature.

On Fri, 1/17/2025 6:55 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 02:10:16 -0500, Paul wrote:
>
>> That's *not* how you transfer sixty million files.
>
> And yet it worked, as per the original article. Being a file-level copy,
> it could move the files between entirely different filesystem formats and
> volume sizes. And do so efficiently.
>
> Windows seems to force you into thinking in terms of sector-level copies
> and low-level “imaging” and like that. Filesystems are supposed to
> abstract away from all that. They do on Linux, but it seems Windows hasn’t
> quite caught up to that idea yet.
>

No, you just gotta use your brain. That is all.

Who in their right mind, picks the least efficient
way to do something ? The slowness of large hard drives,
demands discipline on the part of the operator, no
matter what OS they're on. Always find and execute
the efficient way.

Why do yo think I do these experiments ? I want
some measure of how bad these things are.

at some point, the effects of file system slowness,
are swamped out by the size of the files. If you
have 64 million files each 1GB in size, then
it hardly matters if an additional seek is required
to stat() the file.

*******

I haven't finished testing, but while testing Macrium again,
I noticed a new issue. These are the breadcrumbs.

Feature_C12

tune2fs -O ^orphan_file /dev/mydevice # I presume this downgrades 6.x kernel EXT4 with this being enabled.
e2fsck -f /dev/mydevice # By doing that, Macrium Reflect should be able to back them up again.

I got the warning about Feature_C12 and I also was not
able to burrow into the EXT4_Feature_C12 partition with
7ZIP switch army knife. So that feature is a general
problem for me, and my small set of cross-platform tools.
That is why I will need to finish testing it. Because the
Feature_C12 is going to slowly leak into my disk collection.

Paul

On Fri, 1/17/2025 6:56 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> The right tool turned out to be: “use Linux”.
>

The right tool turned out to be: "use a computer"

Paul