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Subject: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
From: DFS
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 21:52 UTC

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https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI

You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.

Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
From: vallor
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 23:02 UTC
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From: vallor@cultnix.org (vallor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
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On Sat, 25 May 2024 17:52:56 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
<66525db7$0$7162$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI
>
>
> You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.

Sucks to be on Windoze, doesn't it?

https://imgur.com/MyqfbSp

--
-v

Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
From: Andrzej Matuch
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 01:33 UTC
References: 1

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From: andrzej@matu.ch (Andrzej Matuch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
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On 2024-05-25 5:52 p.m., DFS wrote:
>
> https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI
>
>
> You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.

Fact.

That behaviour was part of why I moved to Forte Agent. Forte's awful
filtration system is why I gave up, went back to Betterbird, and just
abandoned trying to get blocknews to work right. I'm back on
eternal-september.org.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
From: DFS
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 14:34 UTC
References: 1 2

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Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
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On 5/25/2024 7:02 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2024 17:52:56 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
> <66525db7$0$7162$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI
>>
>>
>> You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.
>
> Sucks to be on Windoze, doesn't it?
>
> https://imgur.com/MyqfbSp

Pan Windows worked for an hour or so, then came the screen glitches.

GuhNoo/FOSS crapware bites everyone in the ass at some point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UsenetTalk/comments/lk1gv5/pan_newsreader_display_panes_going_black/

Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
From: DFS
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 15:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
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On 5/25/2024 9:33 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-05-25 5:52 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI
>>
>>
>> You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.
>
> Fact.
>
> That behaviour was part of why I moved to Forte Agent. Forte's awful
> filtration system is why I gave up, went back to Betterbird, and just
> abandoned trying to get blocknews to work right. I'm back on
> eternal-september.org.

Yeah, blocknews on Thunderbird/Betterbird has degraded into nearly
unusable as of late. Read 10 posts (sometimes ONE), then get dropped
connections that won't reconnect until you restart the newsreader.
Submit posts that don't show up for 10 minutes, if at all.

I've already had to restart the app 3x this morning just to read cola
from BetterBird.

At one point I had to remove the blocknews acct from Betterbird,
uninstall Betterbird, dig into C:\users\appdata and delete a Thunderbird
folder or two, reinstall BBird and resubscribe to cola to get it to
work. What a fiasco.

Eternal september is as reliable as ever. And it auto-filters some
crossposting clowns. But it's too slow for me.

So I recently tried Claws Mail and Pan, but neither can hold a candle to
the Birds. XanaNews is pretty good, though.

I spent a month and wrote my own very easy to use newsreader in PyQt. A
few clicks to choose a group and download N posts and you're subscribed.
Couple clicks to delete the subscription. Has filtering and sorting
and bolding/not bolding and replies.

It's a work-in-progress, but I'll give it away (public domain) someday
when I finish a few crucial features, like save drafts and save sent.

Here's what it looks like now: https://imgur.com/a/Lh0ZNZx

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From: andrzej@matu.ch (Andrzej Matuch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
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On 2024-05-27 11:12 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 5/25/2024 9:33 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25 5:52 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI
>>>
>>>
>>> You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.
>>
>> Fact.
>>
>> That behaviour was part of why I moved to Forte Agent. Forte's awful
>> filtration system is why I gave up, went back to Betterbird, and just
>> abandoned trying to get blocknews to work right. I'm back on
>> eternal-september.org.
>
>
> Yeah, blocknews on Thunderbird/Betterbird has degraded into nearly
> unusable as of late. Read 10 posts (sometimes ONE), then get dropped
> connections that won't reconnect until you restart the newsreader.
> Submit posts that don't show up for 10 minutes, if at all.
>
> I've already had to restart the app 3x this morning just to read cola
> from BetterBird.

I gave up and am using Eternal September. I went back and forth with
their technical team and they found nothing wrong, so I doubt that it
will ever get fixed.

> At one point I had to remove the blocknews acct from Betterbird,
> uninstall Betterbird, dig into C:\users\appdata and delete a Thunderbird
> folder or two, reinstall BBird and resubscribe to cola to get it to
> work. What a fiasco.

I did that and it still didn't work.

> Eternal september is as reliable as ever. And it auto-filters some
> crossposting clowns. But it's too slow for me.
>
> So I recently tried Claws Mail and Pan, but neither can hold a candle to
> the Birds. XanaNews is pretty good, though.
>
> I spent a month and wrote my own very easy to use newsreader in PyQt. A
> few clicks to choose a group and download N posts and you're subscribed.
> Couple clicks to delete the subscription. Has filtering and sorting
> and bolding/not bolding and replies.
>
> It's a work-in-progress, but I'll give it away (public domain) someday
> when I finish a few crucial features, like save drafts and save sent.
>
> Here's what it looks like now: https://imgur.com/a/Lh0ZNZx

I can manage with the slow speed of Eternal September. Hopefully,
Blocknews will fix everything by the time it becomes unbearably slow.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Subject: Switching servers on the fly.
From: Relf
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 00:00 UTC
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From: Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me (Relf)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 09:15:18 -0700 (Seattle)
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My newsreader (Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.HTM) works fine with BlockNews because
it remember the last 10 Message-ID's, instead of relying on article numbers.
& This allows me to switch servers on the fly.

When stepping down to a lesser server (e.g. to Eternal-September)
it notifies me when the lesser server doesn't have one of the 10 Message-ID's.

Also, it notifies me when a Message-ID got leapfrogged
( because BlockNews couldn't keep up ). See also: News.US.Usenet-News.NET

Subject: Article numbers are irrelevant to maintaining a connection to the news server.
From: DFS
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 18:42 UTC
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Article numbers are irrelevant to maintaining a connection to the server.

Blocknews drops/resets the connection all the time, and frequently won't
reconnect. Sometimes switching to another server then back to BN works,
sometimes it doesn't and I have to restart the newsreader.

Eternal-september doesn't have connection problems. It's just very slow
to connect or download anything.

> When stepping down to a lesser server (e.g. to Eternal-September)
> it notifies me when the lesser server doesn't have one of the 10 Message-ID's.

"Lesser" because the admin blocked you for HTML in your posts?

I think ES is lesser because it's slower and has shorter retention/fewer
messages.

> Also, it notifies me when a Message-ID got leapfrogged
> ( because BlockNews couldn't keep up ). See also: News.US.Usenet-News.NET

BN kept up well in the past. Betterbird and BN can be a pain to use lately.

Have you tried fastusenet?

Subject: What's wrong with "Usenet-News.NET" ?
From: Relf
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 00:00 UTC
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From: Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me (Relf)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 12:25:17 -0700 (Seattle)
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DFS: ES is lesser because it[...] has shorter retention/fewer messages.

Ditto. It's free for the same reason a worm dangling on a hook is free.

I have no connection or speed problems that wouldn't be easily fixed
by restarting the download ( with the same or a different server ).
I switch servers on the fly.

> Have you tried fastusenet ?

No, I don't want a monthly/yearly payment plan.
What's wrong with "Usenet-News.NET" ?
https://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get

> I have to restart the newsreader.

I can't imagine that.

Subject: Re: What's wrong with "Usenet-News.NET" ?
From: Andrzej Matuch
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: usenet-news.net
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 20:53 UTC
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On 2024-05-27 3:25 p.m., Relf wrote:
> DFS: ES is lesser because it[...] has shorter retention/fewer messages.
>
> Ditto. It's free for the same reason a worm dangling on a hook is free.
>
> I have no connection or speed problems that wouldn't be easily fixed
> by restarting the download ( with the same or a different server ).
> I switch servers on the fly.
>
>> Have you tried fastusenet ?
>
> No, I don't want a monthly/yearly payment plan.
> What's wrong with "Usenet-News.NET" ?
> https://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get
>
>> I have to restart the newsreader.
>
> I can't imagine that.

I just signed up with them. For $2, I don't mind paying for something
faster than what Eternal September has to offer. It's too bad that
Blocknews dropped the ball.

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Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

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I signed in but I notice that Betterbird can't connect to them using an
SSL connection. Using the regular protocol though, it works fine.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: Switching servers on the fly.
From: DFS
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 21:32 UTC
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On 5/27/2024 12:15 PM, Relf wrote:
> My newsreader (Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.HTM) works fine with BlockNews because
> it remember the last 10 Message-ID's, instead of relying on article numbers.
> & This allows me to switch servers on the fly.
>
> When stepping down to a lesser server (e.g. to Eternal-September)
> it notifies me when the lesser server doesn't have one of the 10 Message-ID's.
>
> Also, it notifies me when a Message-ID got leapfrogged
> ( because BlockNews couldn't keep up ). See also: News.US.Usenet-News.NET

If you don't use article number, how do you know you've downloaded the
last 200 cola posts?

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On 2024-05-27 5:16 p.m., Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-05-27 3:25 p.m., Relf wrote:
>> DFS: ES is lesser because it[...] has shorter retention/fewer messages.
>>
>> Ditto. It's free for the same reason a worm dangling on a hook is free.
>>
>> I have no connection or speed problems that wouldn't be easily fixed
>> by restarting the download ( with the same or a different server ).
>> I switch servers on the fly.
>>
>>> Have you tried fastusenet ?
>>
>> No, I don't want a monthly/yearly payment plan.
>> What's wrong with "Usenet-News.NET" ?
>> https://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get
>>
>>> I have to restart the newsreader.
>>
>> I can't imagine that.
>
> I signed in but I notice that Betterbird can't connect to them using an
> SSL connection. Using the regular protocol though, it works fine.

Nevermind, it just started working right.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Subject: Another option: "AstraWeb.COM".
From: Relf
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 00:00 UTC
References: 1 2 3 4 5 6

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You (Uncle_Matuch) replied ( to me ):
> > What's wrong with "Usenet-News.NET" ?
> > https://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get
>
> I just signed up with them. For $2, I don't mind paying for something
> faster than what Eternal September has to offer. It's too bad that
> Blocknews dropped the ball.

Usenet-News has problems quite similar to Blocknews;
when one fails, I switch to the other.

Another option: "AstraWeb.COM".

Subject: The NNTP "Group" command tells me the TOP article number.
From: Relf
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 00:00 UTC
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You (DFS) replied ( to me ):
> > Instead of relying on article numbers,
> > my newsreader remembers the last 10 Message-ID's.
>
> If you don't use article number,
> how do you know you've downloaded the last 200 cola posts ?

The NNTP "Group" command tells me the TOP article number.
Using a Message-ID "BookMark", I get the LOW article number.

I repeatedly request up to 100 articles at a time
via a block of 100 NNTP commands
( because one may NOT specify a range, from LOW to TOP ).

Subject: Re: Another option: "AstraWeb.COM".
From: Andrzej Matuch
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 22:54 UTC
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On 2024-05-27 5:34 p.m., Relf wrote:
> You (Uncle_Matuch) replied ( to me ):
>>> What's wrong with "Usenet-News.NET" ?
>>> https://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get
>>
>> I just signed up with them. For $2, I don't mind paying for something
>> faster than what Eternal September has to offer. It's too bad that
>> Blocknews dropped the ball.
>
> Usenet-News has problems quite similar to Blocknews;
> when one fails, I switch to the other.
>
> Another option: "AstraWeb.COM".

Why do you supposed that usenet-news.net has the same problems as
blocknews? It's really starting to feel as though someone is purposely
trying to kill off Usenet.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Subject: Another option: "AstraWeb.COM".
From: Relf
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 00:00 UTC
References: 1 2 3 4 5 6

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You (Uncle_Matuch) replied ( to me ):
> > Usenet-News has problems quite similar to Blocknews;
> > when one fails, I switch to the other.
> > Another option: "AstraWeb.COM".
>
> Why do you supposed that usenet-news.net has the same problems as
> blocknews? It's really starting to feel as though someone is purposely
> trying to kill off Usenet.

Because they draw on the same source, in Texas, including same article numbers.

Currently I'm using/testing "AstraWeb.COM" ( Singapore headquarters, US Server )

UsenetReviewz.COM/astraweb-review/

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On 2024-05-27 7:31 p.m., Relf wrote:
> You (Uncle_Matuch) replied ( to me ):
>>> Usenet-News has problems quite similar to Blocknews;
>>> when one fails, I switch to the other.
>>> Another option: "AstraWeb.COM".
>>
>> Why do you supposed that usenet-news.net has the same problems as
>> blocknews? It's really starting to feel as though someone is purposely
>> trying to kill off Usenet.
>
> Because they draw on the same source, in Texas, including same article numbers.
>
> Currently I'm using/testing "AstraWeb.COM" ( Singapore headquarters, US Server )
>
> UsenetReviewz.COM/astraweb-review/

As little as I paid for Blocknews and Usenet-News, I don't feel like
paying for another. I'll settle for using an unencrypted connection on
port 443 with Usenet-News for now.

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Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
From: RonB
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
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On 2024-05-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-27 11:12 a.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 5/25/2024 9:33 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-25 5:52 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.
>>>
>>> Fact.
>>>
>>> That behaviour was part of why I moved to Forte Agent. Forte's awful
>>> filtration system is why I gave up, went back to Betterbird, and just
>>> abandoned trying to get blocknews to work right. I'm back on
>>> eternal-september.org.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, blocknews on Thunderbird/Betterbird has degraded into nearly
>> unusable as of late. Read 10 posts (sometimes ONE), then get dropped
>> connections that won't reconnect until you restart the newsreader.
>> Submit posts that don't show up for 10 minutes, if at all.
>>
>> I've already had to restart the app 3x this morning just to read cola
>> from BetterBird.
>
> I gave up and am using Eternal September. I went back and forth with
> their technical team and they found nothing wrong, so I doubt that it
> will ever get fixed.
>
>> At one point I had to remove the blocknews acct from Betterbird,
>> uninstall Betterbird, dig into C:\users\appdata and delete a Thunderbird
>> folder or two, reinstall BBird and resubscribe to cola to get it to
>> work. What a fiasco.
>
> I did that and it still didn't work.
>
>> Eternal september is as reliable as ever. And it auto-filters some
>> crossposting clowns. But it's too slow for me.
>>
>> So I recently tried Claws Mail and Pan, but neither can hold a candle to
>> the Birds. XanaNews is pretty good, though.
>>
>> I spent a month and wrote my own very easy to use newsreader in PyQt. A
>> few clicks to choose a group and download N posts and you're subscribed.
>> Couple clicks to delete the subscription. Has filtering and sorting
>> and bolding/not bolding and replies.
>>
>> It's a work-in-progress, but I'll give it away (public domain) someday
>> when I finish a few crucial features, like save drafts and save sent.
>>
>> Here's what it looks like now: https://imgur.com/a/Lh0ZNZx
>
> I can manage with the slow speed of Eternal September. Hopefully,
> Blocknews will fix everything by the time it becomes unbearably slow.

If you're just using text newsgroups, you might want to check out
individual.net. rbowman seems to have good luck with it — I think it costs
about $12 (U.S.) a year (depending on the current exchange rate).

Personally I don't have any trouble with eternal-september. But I only
monitor about five text newsgroups, so it's not heavy usage.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Subject: Re: What's wrong with "Usenet-News.NET" ?
From: RonB
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 00:59 UTC
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On 2024-05-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-27 3:25 p.m., Relf wrote:
>> DFS: ES is lesser because it[...] has shorter retention/fewer messages.
>>
>> Ditto. It's free for the same reason a worm dangling on a hook is free.
>>
>> I have no connection or speed problems that wouldn't be easily fixed
>> by restarting the download ( with the same or a different server ).
>> I switch servers on the fly.
>>
>>> Have you tried fastusenet ?
>>
>> No, I don't want a monthly/yearly payment plan.
>> What's wrong with "Usenet-News.NET" ?
>> https://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get
>>
>>> I have to restart the newsreader.
>>
>> I can't imagine that.
>
> I just signed up with them. For $2, I don't mind paying for something
> faster than what Eternal September has to offer. It's too bad that
> Blocknews dropped the ball.

So you're now at usenet-news? Never heard of them until now.

Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
From: Andrzej Matuch
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: usenet-news.net
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 01:16 UTC
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On 2024-05-27 8:55 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-27 11:12 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2024 9:33 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-25 5:52 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.
>>>>
>>>> Fact.
>>>>
>>>> That behaviour was part of why I moved to Forte Agent. Forte's awful
>>>> filtration system is why I gave up, went back to Betterbird, and just
>>>> abandoned trying to get blocknews to work right. I'm back on
>>>> eternal-september.org.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, blocknews on Thunderbird/Betterbird has degraded into nearly
>>> unusable as of late. Read 10 posts (sometimes ONE), then get dropped
>>> connections that won't reconnect until you restart the newsreader.
>>> Submit posts that don't show up for 10 minutes, if at all.
>>>
>>> I've already had to restart the app 3x this morning just to read cola
>>> from BetterBird.
>>
>> I gave up and am using Eternal September. I went back and forth with
>> their technical team and they found nothing wrong, so I doubt that it
>> will ever get fixed.
>>
>>> At one point I had to remove the blocknews acct from Betterbird,
>>> uninstall Betterbird, dig into C:\users\appdata and delete a Thunderbird
>>> folder or two, reinstall BBird and resubscribe to cola to get it to
>>> work. What a fiasco.
>>
>> I did that and it still didn't work.
>>
>>> Eternal september is as reliable as ever. And it auto-filters some
>>> crossposting clowns. But it's too slow for me.
>>>
>>> So I recently tried Claws Mail and Pan, but neither can hold a candle to
>>> the Birds. XanaNews is pretty good, though.
>>>
>>> I spent a month and wrote my own very easy to use newsreader in PyQt. A
>>> few clicks to choose a group and download N posts and you're subscribed.
>>> Couple clicks to delete the subscription. Has filtering and sorting
>>> and bolding/not bolding and replies.
>>>
>>> It's a work-in-progress, but I'll give it away (public domain) someday
>>> when I finish a few crucial features, like save drafts and save sent.
>>>
>>> Here's what it looks like now: https://imgur.com/a/Lh0ZNZx
>>
>> I can manage with the slow speed of Eternal September. Hopefully,
>> Blocknews will fix everything by the time it becomes unbearably slow.
>
> If you're just using text newsgroups, you might want to check out
> individual.net. rbowman seems to have good luck with it — I think it costs
> about $12 (U.S.) a year (depending on the current exchange rate).
>
> Personally I don't have any trouble with eternal-september. But I only
> monitor about five text newsgroups, so it's not heavy usage.

Eternal September is fine, but it is admittedly slow. It routinely hangs
on one article or another. I don't mind paying a few dollars to get a
faster response to all of the Nux Vomica, Diego Garcia, Farley Flud,
Joel Crump and Hugh Huntzinger posts my filters automatically delete.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now
From: candycanearter07
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 00:55 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 2024-05-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-27 11:12 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2024 9:33 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-25 5:52 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.
>>>>
>>>> Fact.
>>>>
>>>> That behaviour was part of why I moved to Forte Agent. Forte's awful
>>>> filtration system is why I gave up, went back to Betterbird, and just
>>>> abandoned trying to get blocknews to work right. I'm back on
>>>> eternal-september.org.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, blocknews on Thunderbird/Betterbird has degraded into nearly
>>> unusable as of late. Read 10 posts (sometimes ONE), then get dropped
>>> connections that won't reconnect until you restart the newsreader.
>>> Submit posts that don't show up for 10 minutes, if at all.
>>>
>>> I've already had to restart the app 3x this morning just to read cola
>>> from BetterBird.
>>
>> I gave up and am using Eternal September. I went back and forth with
>> their technical team and they found nothing wrong, so I doubt that it
>> will ever get fixed.
>>
>>> At one point I had to remove the blocknews acct from Betterbird,
>>> uninstall Betterbird, dig into C:\users\appdata and delete a Thunderbird
>>> folder or two, reinstall BBird and resubscribe to cola to get it to
>>> work. What a fiasco.
>>
>> I did that and it still didn't work.
>>
>>> Eternal september is as reliable as ever. And it auto-filters some
>>> crossposting clowns. But it's too slow for me.
>>>
>>> So I recently tried Claws Mail and Pan, but neither can hold a candle to
>>> the Birds. XanaNews is pretty good, though.
>>>
>>> I spent a month and wrote my own very easy to use newsreader in PyQt. A
>>> few clicks to choose a group and download N posts and you're subscribed.
>>> Couple clicks to delete the subscription. Has filtering and sorting
>>> and bolding/not bolding and replies.
>>>
>>> It's a work-in-progress, but I'll give it away (public domain) someday
>>> when I finish a few crucial features, like save drafts and save sent.
>>>
>>> Here's what it looks like now: https://imgur.com/a/Lh0ZNZx
>>
>> I can manage with the slow speed of Eternal September. Hopefully,
>> Blocknews will fix everything by the time it becomes unbearably slow.
>
> If you're just using text newsgroups, you might want to check out
> individual.net. rbowman seems to have good luck with it — I think it costs
> about $12 (U.S.) a year (depending on the current exchange rate).
>
> Personally I don't have any trouble with eternal-september. But I only
> monitor about five text newsgroups, so it's not heavy usage.

I have like 90 newsgroups (though most are inactive) and I haven't had
many issues. Then again, I use slrnpull to save everything locally.
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On 2024-05-28, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-27 8:55 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-27 11:12 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2024 9:33 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-25 5:52 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/x8FI6dI
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You promoters of GuhNoo/FOSS crapware need your heads examined.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> That behaviour was part of why I moved to Forte Agent. Forte's awful
>>>>> filtration system is why I gave up, went back to Betterbird, and just
>>>>> abandoned trying to get blocknews to work right. I'm back on
>>>>> eternal-september.org.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, blocknews on Thunderbird/Betterbird has degraded into nearly
>>>> unusable as of late. Read 10 posts (sometimes ONE), then get dropped
>>>> connections that won't reconnect until you restart the newsreader.
>>>> Submit posts that don't show up for 10 minutes, if at all.
>>>>
>>>> I've already had to restart the app 3x this morning just to read cola
>>>> from BetterBird.
>>>
>>> I gave up and am using Eternal September. I went back and forth with
>>> their technical team and they found nothing wrong, so I doubt that it
>>> will ever get fixed.
>>>
>>>> At one point I had to remove the blocknews acct from Betterbird,
>>>> uninstall Betterbird, dig into C:\users\appdata and delete a Thunderbird
>>>> folder or two, reinstall BBird and resubscribe to cola to get it to
>>>> work. What a fiasco.
>>>
>>> I did that and it still didn't work.
>>>
>>>> Eternal september is as reliable as ever. And it auto-filters some
>>>> crossposting clowns. But it's too slow for me.
>>>>
>>>> So I recently tried Claws Mail and Pan, but neither can hold a candle to
>>>> the Birds. XanaNews is pretty good, though.
>>>>
>>>> I spent a month and wrote my own very easy to use newsreader in PyQt. A
>>>> few clicks to choose a group and download N posts and you're subscribed.
>>>> Couple clicks to delete the subscription. Has filtering and sorting
>>>> and bolding/not bolding and replies.
>>>>
>>>> It's a work-in-progress, but I'll give it away (public domain) someday
>>>> when I finish a few crucial features, like save drafts and save sent.
>>>>
>>>> Here's what it looks like now: https://imgur.com/a/Lh0ZNZx
>>>
>>> I can manage with the slow speed of Eternal September. Hopefully,
>>> Blocknews will fix everything by the time it becomes unbearably slow.
>>
>> If you're just using text newsgroups, you might want to check out
>> individual.net. rbowman seems to have good luck with it — I think it costs
>> about $12 (U.S.) a year (depending on the current exchange rate).
>>
>> Personally I don't have any trouble with eternal-september. But I only
>> monitor about five text newsgroups, so it's not heavy usage.
>
> Eternal September is fine, but it is admittedly slow. It routinely hangs
> on one article or another. I don't mind paying a few dollars to get a
> faster response to all of the Nux Vomica, Diego Garcia, Farley Flud,
> Joel Crump and Hugh Huntzinger posts my filters automatically delete.

I've had hangs in eternal-september in the past, but lately it's been
running clean for me.

Subject	Author
This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	DFS
Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	vallor
Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	DFS
Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	Andrzej Matuch
Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	DFS
Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	Andrzej Matuch
Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	RonB
Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	Andrzej Matuch
Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	RonB
Re: This is what the Pan newsreader for Windows looks like right now	candycanearter07