On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:26:03 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 8/17/2024 9:48 PM, vallor wrote:
>>
>> (... where is Windows?)
>
> Generating gazillions in revenue and jobs ...

If Windows is bringing in so much lovely moolah, why is Microsoft having
to resort to revenue-boosting mechanisms like adware and rentware?

> ... and owning/driving the PC industry for 34 years straight.

If Windows is so innovative, why does it have to, not just copy Linux, but
actually admit defeat in trying to do that by actually including a copy of
Linux?

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 06:36:06 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2024-08-17 11:55 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>
>> Every now and then M$ makes the right choice. Too bad releasing Aero
>> wasn't one of them.
>
> There was nothing wrong with Aero.

There were so many things wrong with Aero, just starting with the
resource-hoggery. And then the customer confusion over “Vista-capable”
versus “Vista-ready” (Quick: one of those let Aero Glass run, the other
didn’t: which was which?), which led to actual lawsuits from disgruntled
buyers.

No wonder Microsoft did a backpedal soon after and has since been trying
to persuade everybody that flashy 3D effects (that a platform like Linux
can do better than they can) are somehow dated and old-fashioned ...

On 18 Aug 2024 18:02:13 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Desktops are like women's fashions.

Only on platforms which don’t allow you to customize the GUI. Is that
deliberate, in order to ensure you have to keep shelling out money for the
next hot new look?

Imagine if you could buy reconfigurable clothes, that could adapt
themselves to any new fashion that came along: you wouldn’t need to spend
a penny to upgrade to the all-new “Outfit 2024”, would you?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>If Windows is bringing in so much lovely moolah, why is Microsoft having
>to resort to revenue-boosting mechanisms like adware and rentware?

It must be why people are massively sticking with or going back to
Windows 10, rather than accepting the latest and greatest version's
updates, Copilot, foolishness, M$ blows and so does their OS unless
you buy a new i7 every three years.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 06:36:06 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2024-08-17 11:55 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> Every now and then M$ makes the right choice. Too bad releasing Aero
>>> wasn't one of them.
>>
>> There was nothing wrong with Aero.
>
>There were so many things wrong with Aero, just starting with the
>resource-hoggery. And then the customer confusion over “Vista-capable”
>versus “Vista-ready” (Quick: one of those let Aero Glass run, the other
>didn’t: which was which?), which led to actual lawsuits from disgruntled
>buyers.
>
>No wonder Microsoft did a backpedal soon after and has since been trying
>to persuade everybody that flashy 3D effects (that a platform like Linux
>can do better than they can) are somehow dated and old-fashioned ...

Win7 was a gas, Aero was optional first of all, but that version of
Winblows was actually *good*. It made computing feel good again. 8.x
and early 10 didn't do too bad as upgrades, but by now with 11 we just
have AI and whatnot, and it's unbelievably terrible, compared to
Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-08-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:26:03 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 8/17/2024 9:48 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>
>>> (... where is Windows?)
>>
>> Generating gazillions in revenue and jobs ...
>
> If Windows is bringing in so much lovely moolah, why is Microsoft having
> to resort to revenue-boosting mechanisms like adware and rentware?

Good question. But even corporations who are making money hand over fist get
greedier.

>> ... and owning/driving the PC industry for 34 years straight.
>
> If Windows is so innovative, why does it have to, not just copy Linux, but
> actually admit defeat in trying to do that by actually including a copy of
> Linux?

Yep.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 06:36:06 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-17 11:55 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Every now and then M$ makes the right choice. Too bad releasing Aero
>>>> wasn't one of them.
>>>
>>> There was nothing wrong with Aero.
>>
>>There were so many things wrong with Aero, just starting with the
>>resource-hoggery. And then the customer confusion over “Vista-capable”
>>versus “Vista-ready” (Quick: one of those let Aero Glass run, the other
>>didn’t: which was which?), which led to actual lawsuits from disgruntled
>>buyers.
>>
>>No wonder Microsoft did a backpedal soon after and has since been trying
>>to persuade everybody that flashy 3D effects (that a platform like Linux
>>can do better than they can) are somehow dated and old-fashioned ...
>
> Win7 was a gas, Aero was optional first of all, but that version of
> Winblows was actually *good*. It made computing feel good again. 8.x
> and early 10 didn't do too bad as upgrades, but by now with 11 we just
> have AI and whatnot, and it's unbelievably terrible, compared to
> Linux.

Win 2000 was the high point for me. Same with Word 95. Downhill after that.

--
You have a reputation for being thoroughly reliable and trustworthy.
A pity that it's totally undeserved.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>If Windows is bringing in so much lovely moolah, why is Microsoft having
>to resort to revenue-boosting mechanisms like adware and rentware?

Well, that's how it brings in the moolah. They've been giving Windows
away for years, now. Updates, at least.

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 06:40:21 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>>If Windows is bringing in so much lovely moolah, why is Microsoft having
>>to resort to revenue-boosting mechanisms like adware and rentware?
>
> Well, that's how it brings in the moolah. They've been giving Windows
> away for years, now. Updates, at least.

At least in brings in moolah. I read an article this morning about Apple's
attempt to develop their own modem. They've had issues with Qualcomm over
pricing rather than licensing and wanted to bring it in house. A few
billion and a thousand engineers and they found out designing a decent
modem is a lot harder than Apple Silicon and extened their contract with
Qualcomm.

Not everybody drops buckets of cash on the least sexy part of a phone, a
part most people don't even know exists.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 06:40:21 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>>If Windows is bringing in so much lovely moolah, why is Microsoft having
>>>to resort to revenue-boosting mechanisms like adware and rentware?
>>
>> Well, that's how it brings in the moolah. They've been giving Windows
>> away for years, now. Updates, at least.
>
>At least in brings in moolah. I read an article this morning about Apple's
>attempt to develop their own modem. They've had issues with Qualcomm over
>pricing rather than licensing and wanted to bring it in house. A few
>billion and a thousand engineers and they found out designing a decent
>modem is a lot harder than Apple Silicon and extened their contract with
>Qualcomm.
>
>Not everybody drops buckets of cash on the least sexy part of a phone, a
>part most people don't even know exists.

So you're talking for the iPhone. Not surprising that Apple wouldn't
jump that hurdle, because they never do anything important, "Darwin"
is just their spin on what GNU did, the OS core isn't their own, M$
has them beat on that. Then again, Google used Linux for Android. But
Apple is just a sham, really.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel wrote:

>So you're talking for the iPhone. Not surprising that Apple wouldn't
>jump that hurdle, because they never do anything important, "Darwin"
>is just their spin on what GNU did, the OS core isn't their own, M$
>has them beat on that. Then again, Google used Linux for Android. But
>Apple is just a sham, really.

I don't agree. They've accomplished good things. They are also evil,
but who isn't?

--
"The interesting part of this is that if so many consumers are
profoundly so cheap, then why is it that Linux as an even cheaper
alternative for the desktop hasn't even gained half as much traction
as Apple?" - lying asshole "-hh"

On 2024-08-18 8:32 p.m., Charlie Glock wrote:
> On 2024-08-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:26:03 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/17/2024 9:48 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (... where is Windows?)
>>>
>>> Generating gazillions in revenue and jobs ...
>>
>
>> If Windows is bringing in so much lovely moolah, why is Microsoft having
>> to resort to revenue-boosting mechanisms like adware and rentware?
>>
>>> ... and owning/driving the PC industry for 34 years straight.
>>
>> If Windows is so innovative, why does it have to, not just copy Linux, but
>> actually admit defeat in trying to do that by actually including a copy of
>> Linux?
>
> Because computing is moving to the cloud and any os that can access the cloud is workable.
> We are no longer held hostage by the desktop.

That is definitely true. I find myself preferring web-based applications
for certain things. For instance, I can use Outlook 2021 since it came
with my Microsoft Office 2021 purchase, but if I set up my work e-mail
to it, the suite suddenly believes that I want to transfer my 2021
license to the workplace's. The benefit is that I get unlimited Office
updates; the downside is that my workplace wants some control over my
computer. If I just log into Office.com, click on Outlook there and turn
what I see into a web app, I can circumvent all of that without losing
any functionality. Web apps are usually much lighter than desktop
equivalents too since they run through something like Edge which is
always loaded anyway.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 16:39:40 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> That is definitely true. I find myself preferring web-based applications
> for certain things. For instance, I can use Outlook 2021 since it came
> with my Microsoft Office 2021 purchase, but if I set up my work e-mail
> to it, the suite suddenly believes that I want to transfer my 2021
> license to the workplace's. The benefit is that I get unlimited Office
> updates; the downside is that my workplace wants some control over my
> computer. If I just log into Office.com, click on Outlook there and turn
> what I see into a web app, I can circumvent all of that without losing
> any functionality. Web apps are usually much lighter than desktop
> equivalents too since they run through something like Edge which is
> always loaded anyway.

The only problem is when it rains in the cloud...

On 2024-08-19 5:21 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 16:39:40 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> That is definitely true. I find myself preferring web-based applications
>> for certain things. For instance, I can use Outlook 2021 since it came
>> with my Microsoft Office 2021 purchase, but if I set up my work e-mail
>> to it, the suite suddenly believes that I want to transfer my 2021
>> license to the workplace's. The benefit is that I get unlimited Office
>> updates; the downside is that my workplace wants some control over my
>> computer. If I just log into Office.com, click on Outlook there and turn
>> what I see into a web app, I can circumvent all of that without losing
>> any functionality. Web apps are usually much lighter than desktop
>> equivalents too since they run through something like Edge which is
>> always loaded anyway.
>
> The only problem is when it rains in the cloud...

There is no reason to worry, the most amazing presidential candidate
ever understands the cloud and won't let it go down:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FjjJme1aVQ>

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>>So you're talking for the iPhone. Not surprising that Apple wouldn't
>>jump that hurdle, because they never do anything important, "Darwin"
>>is just their spin on what GNU did, the OS core isn't their own, M$
>>has them beat on that. Then again, Google used Linux for Android. But
>>Apple is just a sham, really.
>
>I don't agree. They've accomplished good things. They are also evil,
>but who isn't?

They did something big with the iPhone, but macOS is a laughingstock,
to me.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 17:26:34 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> There is no reason to worry, the most amazing presidential candidate
> ever understands the cloud and won't let it go down:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FjjJme1aVQ>

That woman makes the Babylon Bee look like a hard news site.

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 19:49:03 -0400, Joel wrote:

> [Apple] did something big with the iPhone ...

Which just happened to look like the LG Prada, which had made its
appearance some months before ...

On 2024-08-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 17:26:34 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> There is no reason to worry, the most amazing presidential candidate
>> ever understands the cloud and won't let it go down:
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FjjJme1aVQ>
>
> That woman makes the Babylon Bee look like a hard news site.

She really is a clueless wonder. But I'll bet she's "sharp as a tack" behind
the scenes... like Biden "was" until he wasn't.

--
Look for those vacuosities, those airhead vacuosities
Stay away from thinking in your life
Search for those vacuosities, empty Woke stupidities
And bring those vacuosities to life

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 02:34:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2024-08-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 17:26:34 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> There is no reason to worry, the most amazing presidential candidate
>>> ever understands the cloud and won't let it go down:
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FjjJme1aVQ>
>>
>> That woman makes the Babylon Bee look like a hard news site.
>
> She really is a clueless wonder. But I'll bet she's "sharp as a tack"
> behind the scenes... like Biden "was" until he wasn't.

https://www.rt.com/russia/602802-russia-residency-traditiona-values/

Nah, I'm too old to learn Russian. Guess I'll make a batch of popcorn and
sit back and watch the decline of the west.

"If this is the way it ends I can't bear to witness"

'Ode to a Dying People'

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>> [Apple] did something big with the iPhone ...
>
>Which just happened to look like the LG Prada, which had made its
>appearance some months before ...

Not really a valid comparison, the iPhone was more of a full computer.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:30:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Right, and it has some pretty nice features too. The only things I can
> really complain about are that it's difficult to have a taskbar on both
> monitors and when I plug it into my monitor it keeps trying to put it at
> 4:3 mode.

My work box with Debian/xfce is on a KVM and there is some weirdness when
I switch to it. Sometimes, I think when it boots without being connected
through the kvm it does even recognize 1920x1080 as an option and I have
to screw around with xrandr.

I've got a 4 port kvm at home and have never seen the problem with Fedora/
KDE or Ubuntu/Gnome.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:30:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

>
> Interesting concept?
>

There's always been a huge demand for it within scientific/
engineering circles.

>
> I wouldn't use it just because it's hard to type
> those characters without copy paste.
>

The problem is the standard (in English) Querty keyboard
which dates back, literally, about 150 years.

The Querty keyboard is anachronistic to the extreme in the
age of Unicode.

GNU/Linux can adapt easily to new keyboard layouts. Where
the fuck are they?

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 09:22:28 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> [Apple] did something big with the iPhone ...
>>
>> Which just happened to look like the LG Prada, which had made its
>> appearance some months before ...
>
> Not really a valid comparison, the iPhone was more of a full computer.

The Iphone was never a “full computer”. In the beginning it was just a
“feature phone”, able to run the built-in apps and that was that. Only by
popular demand did Apple open up its “app store”, and it rigidly
controlled the functionality that third-party apps were able to add, till
today.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:30:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> i also wish that compiz wouldnt crash constantly so i could use them
> again

KDE Plasma has the effects, and they seem to work fine.

I hear even the Desktop Cube (actually Prism) will be making a comeback.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:30:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> I wouldn't use it just because it's hard to type
> those characters without copy paste.

*nix systems have this cool thing called the “Compose key”. It lets you
type mnemonic key sequences to get a range of Unicode characters.

<https://wiki.wlug.org.nz/ComposeKey>