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* Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code changerbowman
+* Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code chanvallor
|`- Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code chanrbowman
+* Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code chanChris Ahlstrom
|`- Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code chanvallor
`* Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code chanFarley Flud
 `* Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code chanPhysfitfreak
  `- Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code chanFarley Flud

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Subject: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 01:04 UTC
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From: bowman@montana.com (rbowman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft
code change
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https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/microsoft_linux_change_pulled/

We're only here to help... The good news is when vallor, with his thing
about kernels, builds 6.13 it won't blow up.

Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
From: vallor
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 01:47 UTC
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From: vallor@cultnix.org (vallor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy
Microsoft code change
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On 15 Jan 2025 01:04:32 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<luofsuF6gdtU3@mid.individual.net>:

> https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/microsoft_linux_change_pulled/
>
> We're only here to help... The good news is when vallor, with his thing
> about kernels, builds 6.13 it won't blow up.

And I booted the latest rc kernel just yesterday. I guess I'm
running the dodgy Microsoft code(!).

Pardon me, while I go boot the release Linux, 6.12.9. (Incidentally,
I've noticed Fedora stays one release behind the current
release -- is that on purpose?)

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Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 06:13 UTC
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From: bowman@montana.com (rbowman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy
Microsoft code change
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On 15 Jan 2025 01:47:33 GMT, vallor wrote:

> On 15 Jan 2025 01:04:32 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
> <luofsuF6gdtU3@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/microsoft_linux_change_pulled/
>>
>> We're only here to help... The good news is when vallor, with his
>> thing about kernels, builds 6.13 it won't blow up.
>
> And I booted the latest rc kernel just yesterday. I guess I'm running
> the dodgy Microsoft code(!).
>
> Pardon me, while I go boot the release Linux, 6.12.9. (Incidentally,
> I've noticed Fedora stays one release behind the current release -- is
> that on purpose?)

I just got 6.12.9 with the dnf update about an hour ago. I don't know if
there is a method in their madness. I took the Ubuntu box up to 24.04 last
week and it's still 6.8.0. It works.

Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
From: Chris Ahlstrom
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:13 UTC
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From: OFeem1987@teleworm.us (Chris Ahlstrom)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy
Microsoft code change
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rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/microsoft_linux_change_pulled/
>
> We're only here to help... The good news is when vallor, with his thing
> about kernels, builds 6.13 it won't blow up.

The word "pulled" in the URL is... unfortunate.

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Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
From: vallor
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 14:05 UTC
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From: vallor@cultnix.org (vallor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy
Microsoft code change
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 08:13:35 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote in <vm8ca0$2ur3p$7@dont-email.me>:

> rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/microsoft_linux_change_pulled/
>>
>> We're only here to help... The good news is when vallor, with his
>> thing about kernels, builds 6.13 it won't blow up.
>
> The word "pulled" in the URL is... unfortunate.

Indeed.

BTW, I looked at the lkml -- CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_EXECMEM_ROX no
longer autoselects for x86, but the code hasn't been removed (yet?).
So if you're feeling dangerous, you can turn it on.

I was running it yesterday...

_[/home/vallor/OS/linux-6.13-rc7]_(vallor@lm)🐧_
$ grep CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_EXECMEM_ROX .config
CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_EXECMEM_ROX=y

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"Have cursor, will curse."

Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
From: Farley Flud
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:27 UTC
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From: fsquared@fsquared.linux (Farley Flud)
Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 01:04:32 +0000, rbowman wrote:

> https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/microsoft_linux_change_pulled/
>

This has got to be one the shittiest articles that I have ever read.

It has ZERO information.

After reading this I have no idea what the fuck is going on.

It concerns, I think, ROX or "read only executable pages" but how
or what effect they have is never explained.

The article is pure garbage.

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Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
From: Physfitfreak
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From: physfitfreak@gmail.com (Physfitfreak)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy
Microsoft code change
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On 1/16/25 7:27 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 01:04:32 +0000, rbowman wrote:
>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/microsoft_linux_change_pulled/
>>
>
> This has got to be one the shittiest articles that I have ever read.
>
> It has ZERO information.
>
> After reading this I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
>
> It concerns, I think, ROX or "read only executable pages" but how
> or what effect they have is never explained.
>
> The article is pure garbage.
>
>

Last sentence:

"Petkov will not be the only one wondering how the change made it in
without a review by the Linux x86/x86_64 maintainers."

Moles among Linux developers, probably?

In Iran of Shah's time, when an armed anti-government political group
formed (many of them sprang up in the last ten years of that regime),
all SAVAK needed to do to destroy such groups was to create a similar
one in its proximity.

Then, gradually, this bogus group after some harmless scores, made
attempts to connect with the real one. After a few months or at most a
year or two, some connections would get established. Then ideas of
"joining forces to get stronger" would gradually get brought up until at
last the two groups joined. Then the silent slaughter would take place.

This was also one of the Capone style methods in the 1920s to get rid of
their competitors.

Mr. Windows, it seems, is practicing it too.

Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
From: Farley Flud
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Subject: Re: Intel, AMD engineers rush to save Linux 6.13 after dodgy Microsoft code change
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:29:35 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

>
> "Petkov will not be the only one wondering how the change made it in
> without a review by the Linux x86/x86_64 maintainers."
>
>
> Moles among Linux developers, probably?
>
>
> This was also one of the Capone style methods in the 1920s to get rid of
> their competitors.
>
> Mr. Windows, it seems, is practicing it too.
>

It's an ancient practice.

Another example is if you meet an "underage" girl on the Internet it is
very likely a police officer.

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