I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS insist
on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that my account
won't be accessible after September 16th with just user name and
password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication methods"!
What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?

Ed

On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS insist
> on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that my account
> won't be accessible after September 16th with just user name and
> password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication methods"!
> What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?

You could try following Microsoft's instructions:

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>

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Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS insist
>> on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that my account
>> won't be accessible after September 16th with just user name and
>> password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication methods"!
>> What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>
> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>

It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication.
I hope iOS Mail will incorporate this.
Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
follow.

Ed

On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>> methods"! What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>
>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>
>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>
>
> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication. I hope iOS Mail
> will incorporate this.
>
> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
> follow.

You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
on that same page.

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Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>>> methods"! What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>>
>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>>
>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>>
>>
>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication. I hope iOS Mail
>> will incorporate this.
>>
>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
>> follow.
>
> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
> on that same page.
>

You didn't read my post properly.
I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple
Mail, at least according to that website.

Ed

On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>>>> methods"! What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>>>
>>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>>
>>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication. I hope iOS Mail
>>> will incorporate this.
>>>
>>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
>>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
>>> follow.
>>
>> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
>> on that same page.
>
> You didn't read my post properly.
> I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple
> Mail, at least according to that website.

You're acting like deleting and recreating the account is a big hassle
when it isn't. Sure, it'd be nice to just toggle a switch, but doing it
the way Microsoft recommends isn't some horribly laborious task either.

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Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>>>>> methods"! What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>>>>
>>>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>>>
>>>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication. I hope iOS Mail
>>>> will incorporate this.
>>>>
>>>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
>>>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
>>>> follow.
>>>
>>> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
>>> on that same page.
>>
>> You didn't read my post properly.
>> I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple
>> Mail, at least according to that website.
>
> You're acting like deleting and recreating the account is a big hassle
> when it isn't. Sure, it'd be nice to just toggle a switch, but doing it
> the way Microsoft recommends isn't some horribly laborious task either.
>

Not laborious, but seemingly excessive; especially compared with
T.bird's far simpler method of switching to OAuth2.
The latter seems user-friendly, the Apple way doesn't, given that the
change is merely to OAuth2 authentication.

Remember that iPads are owned by lots and lots of people who are far
from computer-savvy. They'll have to note down all the account details,
re-input them all carefully; and, if there are many like some of my
clients, they'll stumble a few times.

Ed

On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>>>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>>>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>>>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>>>>>> methods"! What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication. I hope iOS Mail
>>>>> will incorporate this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
>>>>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
>>>>> follow.
>>>>
>>>> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
>>>> on that same page.
>>>
>>> You didn't read my post properly.
>>> I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple
>>> Mail, at least according to that website.
>>
>> You're acting like deleting and recreating the account is a big hassle
>> when it isn't. Sure, it'd be nice to just toggle a switch, but doing it
>> the way Microsoft recommends isn't some horribly laborious task either.
>
> Not laborious, but seemingly excessive; especially compared with
> T.bird's far simpler method of switching to OAuth2.
> The latter seems user-friendly, the Apple way doesn't, given that the
> change is merely to OAuth2 authentication.

I guess if it were me, I'd submit feedback about it.

> Remember that iPads are owned by lots and lots of people who are far
> from computer-savvy. They'll have to note down all the account details,
> re-input them all carefully; and, if there are many like some of my
> clients, they'll stumble a few times.

It would be interesting to know how many of them are still using
Hotmail.

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Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>>>>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>>>>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>>>>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>>>>>>> methods"! What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication. I hope iOS Mail
>>>>>> will incorporate this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
>>>>>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
>>>>>> follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
>>>>> on that same page.
>>>>
>>>> You didn't read my post properly.
>>>> I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple
>>>> Mail, at least according to that website.
>>>
>>> You're acting like deleting and recreating the account is a big hassle
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Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>>>>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>>>>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>>>>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>>>>>>> methods"! What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication. I hope iOS Mail
>>>>>> will incorporate this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
>>>>>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
>>>>>> follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
>>>>> on that same page.
>>>>
>>>> You didn't read my post properly.
>>>> I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple
>>>> Mail, at least according to that website.
>>>
>>> You're acting like deleting and recreating the account is a big hassle
>>> when it isn't. Sure, it'd be nice to just toggle a switch, but doing it
>>> the way Microsoft recommends isn't some horribly laborious task either.
>>
>> Not laborious, but seemingly excessive; especially compared with
>> T.bird's far simpler method of switching to OAuth2.
>> The latter seems user-friendly, the Apple way doesn't, given that the
>> change is merely to OAuth2 authentication.
>
> I guess if it were me, I'd submit feedback about it.
>
>> Remember that iPads are owned by lots and lots of people who are far
>> from computer-savvy. They'll have to note down all the account details,
>> re-input them all carefully; and, if there are many like some of my
>> clients, they'll stumble a few times.
>
> It would be interesting to know how many of them are still using
> Hotmail.
>

It's now the 23rd, and Mail still works fine although I've altered nothing.
>>> when it isn't. Sure, it'd be nice to just toggle a switch, but doing it
>>> the way Microsoft recommends isn't some horribly laborious task either.
>>
>> Not laborious, but seemingly excessive; especially compared with
>> T.bird's far simpler method of switching to OAuth2.
>> The latter seems user-friendly, the Apple way doesn't, given that the
>> change is merely to OAuth2 authentication.
>
> I guess if it were me, I'd submit feedback about it.
>
>> Remember that iPads are owned by lots and lots of people who are far
>> from computer-savvy. They'll have to note down all the account details,
>> re-input them all carefully; and, if there are many like some of my
>> clients, they'll stumble a few times.
>
> It would be interesting to know how many of them are still using
> Hotmail.
>

It's now the 23rd, and Mail still works fine although I've altered nothing.
BTW, Skull-and-Crossbones, Hotmail has long been subsumed into MS
Outlook, and there are myriads of email accounts under that banner.

Ed

On 2024-09-23, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>>>>>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>>>>>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>>>>>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>>>>>>>> methods"! What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication. I hope iOS Mail
>>>>>>> will incorporate this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
>>>>>>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
>>>>>>> follow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
>>>>>> on that same page.
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't read my post properly.
>>>>> I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple
>>>>> Mail, at least according to that website.
>>>>
>>>> You're acting like deleting and recreating the account is a big hassle
>>>> when it isn't. Sure, it'd be nice to just toggle a switch, but doing it
>>>> the way Microsoft recommends isn't some horribly laborious task either.
>>>
>>> Not laborious, but seemingly excessive; especially compared with
>>> T.bird's far simpler method of switching to OAuth2.
>>> The latter seems user-friendly, the Apple way doesn't, given that the
>>> change is merely to OAuth2 authentication.
>>
>> I guess if it were me, I'd submit feedback about it.
>>
>>> Remember that iPads are owned by lots and lots of people who are far
>>> from computer-savvy. They'll have to note down all the account details,
>>> re-input them all carefully; and, if there are many like some of my
>>> clients, they'll stumble a few times.
>>
>> It would be interesting to know how many of them are still using
>> Hotmail.
>
> It's now the 23rd, and Mail still works fine although I've altered nothing.

Maybe you got lucky. Or maybe Microsoft extended the deadline. I don't
know or really care. I haven't looked at my old, crufty Hotmail account
in many years as it's mostly just a huge spam bucket.

> BTW, Skull-and-Crossbones, Hotmail has long been subsumed into MS
> Outlook, and there are myriads of email accounts under that banner.

Yes, I know. 🙂

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Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-09-23, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>>>>>>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>>>>>>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>>>>>>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>>>>>>>>> methods"! What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication. I hope iOS Mail
>>>>>>>> will incorporate this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
>>>>>>>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
>>>>>>>> follow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
>>>>>>> on that same page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't read my post properly.
>>>>>> I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple
>>>>>> Mail, at least according to that website.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're acting like deleting and recreating the account is a big hassle
>>>>> when it isn't. Sure, it'd be nice to just toggle a switch, but doing it
>>>>> the way Microsoft recommends isn't some horribly laborious task either.
>>>>
>>>> Not laborious, but seemingly excessive; especially compared with
>>>> T.bird's far simpler method of switching to OAuth2.
>>>> The latter seems user-friendly, the Apple way doesn't, given that the
>>>> change is merely to OAuth2 authentication.
>>>
>>> I guess if it were me, I'd submit feedback about it.
>>>
>>>> Remember that iPads are owned by lots and lots of people who are far
>>>> from computer-savvy. They'll have to note down all the account details,
>>>> re-input them all carefully; and, if there are many like some of my
>>>> clients, they'll stumble a few times.
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to know how many of them are still using
>>> Hotmail.
>>
>> It's now the 23rd, and Mail still works fine although I've altered nothing.
>
> Maybe you got lucky. Or maybe Microsoft extended the deadline. I don't
> know or really care. I haven't looked at my old, crufty Hotmail account
> in many years as it's mostly just a huge spam bucket.
>
>> BTW, Skull-and-Crossbones, Hotmail has long been subsumed into MS
>> Outlook, and there are myriads of email accounts under that banner.
>
> Yes, I know. 🙂
>
Today it happened. Kabush!
No mail into iPad's Hotmail account; whereas there were several into my
other devices.
No warning from Apple; no explanation about what's going on; just an
empty aqueduct into Rome.
I tested it out with a posting sent; which just disappeared into my
Outbox without comment, and no explanation when I investigated.
I was prepared; but from other sources than Apple. Lucky me to have
other sources!
I must admit that the delete and recreate went well; so long as I knew
to hit Outlook.com on the options GUI. But many wouldn't have.
Ed