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* A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.sms
+* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Andrew
|`* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Cameo
| +- Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Andrew
| `* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.sms
|  +- Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Jörg Lorenz
|  +* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Cameo
|  |`- Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Andrew
|  `* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Arno Welzel
|   `* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.AJL
|    +* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Andrew
|    |`* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.AJL
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|    `* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Arno Welzel
|     `- Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.AJL
+* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.VanguardLH
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|| `* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Isaac Montara
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||    `* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.VanguardLH
||     `* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Andrew
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|`* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.sms
| `- Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.VanguardLH
+- Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Jörg Lorenz
`* Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.Andy Burns
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Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: Arno Welzel
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, alt.privacy
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2024 08:48 UTC
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From: usenet@arnowelzel.de (Arno Welzel)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.privacy
Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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sms, 2024-11-30 06:12:

> On 11/29/2024 7:56 PM, Cameo wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Should be built-in in a good VPN app.
> True, it is built into Surfshark (for Android only).
>
> On an iPhone you can connect the phone to a computer and use iAnyGo,
> $89.95 for a lifetime license.
>
> GPS spoofing can also be a safety thing for victims of abuse that have
> fled an abusive spouse and that want to prevent tracking.

Only, if that "abusive spouse" knows how to do the tracking. Without
permission no one can just track others people phones. And if the
"abusive spouse" works at a telecommunication provider he may have the
location without any GPS at all, since the mobile network base stations
always know what devices are near them.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: AJL
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2024 16:24 UTC
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From: noemail@none.com (AJL)
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2024 16:24:51 -0000 (UTC)
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On 12/2/24 1:48 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>sms, 2024-11-30 06:12:
>
>> On 11/29/2024 7:56 PM, Cameo wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Should be built-in in a good VPN app.
>> True, it is built into Surfshark (for Android only).
>>
>> On an iPhone you can connect the phone to a computer and use iAnyGo,
>> $89.95 for a lifetime license.
>>
>> GPS spoofing can also be a safety thing for victims of abuse that have
>> fled an abusive spouse and that want to prevent tracking.

How many abused spouses would even have a clue on how to set that up?

>Only, if that "abusive spouse" knows how to do the tracking. Without
>permission no one can just track others people phones. And if the
>"abusive spouse" works at a telecommunication provider he may have the
>location without any GPS at all, since the mobile network base stations
>always know what devices are near them.

My wife's iPhone is easy to track from any browser of any device. For
example I sometimes use this Amazon Fire tablet I'm posting with to check
on her location when she's late getting home. Course I do have the account
password since I've always controlled the family electronics. And I suspect
an abusive spouse could easily do the same thing, no fancy-dancy
electronics or tracking experience needed...

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: Andrew
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
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From: andys@nospam.com (Andrew)
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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AJL wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 16:24:51 -0000 (UTC) :

>>> GPS spoofing can also be a safety thing for victims of abuse that have
>>> fled an abusive spouse and that want to prevent tracking.
>
> How many abused spouses would even have a clue on how to set that up?

How many people with plumbing repairs hire a plumber to do the dirty work?

All the "abusive spouse" needs to do is hire someone to track his/her
spouse, so the mere fact that they 'can be tracked' is the problem set.

>>Only, if that "abusive spouse" knows how to do the tracking. Without
>>permission no one can just track others people phones. And if the
>>"abusive spouse" works at a telecommunication provider he may have the
>>location without any GPS at all, since the mobile network base stations
>>always know what devices are near them.
>
> My wife's iPhone is easy to track from any browser of any device. For
> example I sometimes use this Amazon Fire tablet I'm posting with to check
> on her location when she's late getting home. Course I do have the account
> password since I've always controlled the family electronics. And I suspect
> an abusive spouse could easily do the same thing, no fancy-dancy
> electronics or tracking experience needed...

Anyone with physical access to any computing device can add spyware to it.
Anyone with money can hire someone to add that spyware even without access.

The problem set is that you "can" be tracked; not that it takes knowledge
to do it, which is a reason Apple tracking was reviled earlier this year.

*Apple Geolocation API Exposes Wi-Fi Access Points Worldwide*
<https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint-security/apple-geolocation-api-exposes-wi-fi-access-points-worldwide>

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: Chris
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, alt.privacy
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2024 17:52 UTC
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From: ithinkiam@gmail.com (Chris)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.privacy
Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>>
>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>>
>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>>
>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>>
> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version in the Vanguard app
> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
> 401K savings.
>
> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
> phone, just for this reason. What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
> the AppStore could not be fooled with that. Interestingly, the AppStore
> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
> also keep part of my 401K savings. I wish you or somebody else could help
> me overcome this problem.

This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them?

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: sms
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, alt.privacy
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From: scharf.steven@geemail.com (sms)
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Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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On 12/2/2024 12:30 AM, Cameo wrote:

<snip>

> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
> the AppStore could not be fooled with that. Interestingly, the AppStore
> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
> also keep part of my 401K savings. I wish you or somebody else could help
> me overcome this problem.

Can you spoof your iPhone location using the method where it has to
connect to a computer in order to install the app?
<https://surfshark.com/blog/how-to-change-location-on-iphone>.

On apps that use geolocation, just a VPN is not sufficient.

But I wonder about Wi-Fi only iPads since Apple forgot to include GPS
capability. On most Android tablets, even those without cellular
connectivity, there is still a GPS so apps that require a GPS, like
offline mapping, will still work.

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: sms
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
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Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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On 12/2/2024 8:24 AM, AJL wrote:

<snip>

> My wife's iPhone is easy to track from any browser of any device. For
> example I sometimes use this Amazon Fire tablet I'm posting with to check
> on her location when she's late getting home. Course I do have the account
> password since I've always controlled the family electronics. And I suspect
> an abusive spouse could easily do the same thing, no fancy-dancy
> electronics or tracking experience needed...
Yeah, I'm a non-abusive spouse but we have location sharing turned on.

It's been valuable on multiple locations. Once she got lost in a State
Park and I was able to find her location. Another time her car would not
start and I could locate her position exactly since the verbal
instructions were, uh, not very clear. Before she retired she would
sometimes bike to work and I could get an idea when she'd be home so I
could have dinner ready.

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: AJL
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From: noemail@none.com (AJL)
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On 12/2/24 10:36 AM, Andrew wrote:
>AJL wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 16:24:51 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>>> GPS spoofing can also be a safety thing for victims of abuse that have
>>>> fled an abusive spouse and that want to prevent tracking.
>>
>> How many abused spouses would even have a clue on how to set that up?
>
>How many people with plumbing repairs hire a plumber to do the dirty work?

Me. But all the work is done safely and legally.

>All the "abusive spouse" needs to do is hire someone to track his/her
>spouse, so the mere fact that they 'can be tracked' is the problem set.

Hire someone to track a spouse? Bad idea on both legal and criminal grounds.

>>>Only, if that "abusive spouse" knows how to do the tracking. Without
>>>permission no one can just track others people phones. And if the
>>>"abusive spouse" works at a telecommunication provider he may have the
>>>location without any GPS at all, since the mobile network base stations
>>>always know what devices are near them.
>>
>> My wife's iPhone is easy to track from any browser of any device. For
>> example I sometimes use this Amazon Fire tablet I'm posting with to check
>> on her location when she's late getting home. Course I do have the account
>> password since I've always controlled the family electronics. And I suspect
>> an abusive spouse could easily do the same thing, no fancy-dancy
>> electronics or tracking experience needed...
>
>Anyone with physical access to any computing device can add spyware to it.
>Anyone with money can hire someone to add that spyware even without access.

Hire someone to mess with my computer? Bad idea on security grounds.

>The problem set is that you "can" be tracked; not that it takes knowledge
>to do it, which is a reason Apple tracking was reviled earlier this year.

Of course. My granddaughter always tracks her kids. Loves the capability.

> *Apple Geolocation API Exposes Wi-Fi Access Points Worldwide*
> <https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint-security/apple-geolocation-api-exposes-wi-fi-access-points-worldwide>

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: Andrew
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From: andys@nospam.com (Andrew)
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AJL wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 18:13:34 -0000 (UTC) :

> On 12/2/24 10:36 AM, Andrew wrote:
>>AJL wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 16:24:51 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>>> GPS spoofing can also be a safety thing for victims of abuse that have
>>>>> fled an abusive spouse and that want to prevent tracking.
>>>
>>> How many abused spouses would even have a clue on how to set that up?
>>
>>How many people with plumbing repairs hire a plumber to do the dirty work?
>
> Me. But all the work is done safely and legally.

Rest assured, living in the boonies myself, I do all my well pump and
septic work, I take care of my own pool, I cut down trees to burn for
firewood myself, I trench for my (off-grid) guerrilla solar setup, I do my
own electrical work, and plumbing repairs, I refill my carbon dioxide
sodastream canisters at home, I refill my one pound propane tanks from my
20 pounders which themselves are filled from my thousand-gallon propane
tank, I refill the vehicles with gasoline myself at home, my cars are 30
years old and I do all the maintenance & repairs, including changing the
tires when they're worn and balancing them at home, etc.

But my point was that the fact you "can" be tracked is more important than
if the person who wants to track you "knows how" to do it - since they can
always hire someone to do that dirty work for them.

Never seen an Alfred Hitchcock movie? :)
(It's the butler. I swear!).

>>All the "abusive spouse" needs to do is hire someone to track his/her
>>spouse, so the mere fact that they 'can be tracked' is the problem set.
>
> Hire someone to track a spouse? Bad idea on both legal and criminal grounds.

If someone is going to track a spouse, I doubt they care if it's legal or
not, but I even doubt whether or not it's illegal if no court order is
involved. I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. Neither are you I presume.

I suspect it's perfectly legal to "track a spouse" as long as you don't
break a law (e.g., violating a court order) in doing so.

But you're missing the point completely.

The privacy hole is that you "can" be tracked. Not that you "are" tracked,
since you will likely never know if you're actually being tracked.

>>>>Only, if that "abusive spouse" knows how to do the tracking. Without
>>>>permission no one can just track others people phones. And if the
>>>>"abusive spouse" works at a telecommunication provider he may have the
>>>>location without any GPS at all, since the mobile network base stations
>>>>always know what devices are near them.
>>>
>>> My wife's iPhone is easy to track from any browser of any device. For
>>> example I sometimes use this Amazon Fire tablet I'm posting with to check
>>> on her location when she's late getting home. Course I do have the account
>>> password since I've always controlled the family electronics. And I suspect
>>> an abusive spouse could easily do the same thing, no fancy-dancy
>>> electronics or tracking experience needed...
>>
>>Anyone with physical access to any computing device can add spyware to it.
>>Anyone with money can hire someone to add that spyware even without access.
>
> Hire someone to mess with my computer? Bad idea on security grounds.

You probably don't know anything about military theory but it's a classic
premise that you guard against what they "can" do; not what you think
they'll do.

Being an historian at heart, I've seen numerous times in history from the
dawn of antiquity that countries floundered who "thought" the enemy
couldn't get them and the enemy, instead, did what they "could" do - not
what they thought they would do.

Take, for example, the reason the Bull Thistle is the official flower for
Ireland, or the reason Hannibal lost an eye in Italy but defeated Scipio.

You guard against what they "can" do; not what you "think" they will do.
And they can track you (if you don't guard against it).

>>The problem set is that you "can" be tracked; not that it takes knowledge
>>to do it, which is a reason Apple tracking was reviled earlier this year.
>
> Of course. My granddaughter always tracks her kids. Loves the capability.
>
>> *Apple Geolocation API Exposes Wi-Fi Access Points Worldwide*
>> <https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint-security/apple-geolocation-api-exposes-wi-fi-access-points-worldwide>

When my kids went to college, admittedly a long time ago, I added Specter
tracking software to their computers so I would know if they were in
trouble, but I never used it so I didn't bother when they had grandkids.

It's so easy to add a keylogger to any computing device, it's not funny.
Anyone with physical access can do anything to most computers.

That's why you guard against what people "can" do; not what you think they
will do. It's a basic self defense strategy since the dawn of time.

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: Andrew
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From: andys@nospam.com (Andrew)
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sms wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 10:08:05 -0800 :

> But I wonder about Wi-Fi only iPads since Apple forgot to include GPS
> capability.

I ran an experiment on a Wi-Fi only iPad years ago, and it did mapping
quite well, surprisingly. The current location moved in fits though, as it
figured out, from the local access points, where it was (it snapped to the
road surprisingly well from the Costo at Almaden to the San Jose airport).

> On most Android tablets, even those without cellular
> connectivity, there is still a GPS so apps that require a GPS, like
> offline mapping, will still work.

For Android, a decent offline GPS-only map is the free OSMAnd~ app.
*OsmAnd& Maps & GPS Offline by OsmAnd, In-app purchases
Free, ad free, 4.5 star, 153K reviews, 10M+ Downloads
<https://osmand.net/>
<https://f-droid.org/repo/net.osmand.plus_431203.apk>
<https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.osmand.plus/>
<https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd>

You can download Google Maps offline, which I did for years when it first
came out, but it's so much of a PITA that I don't bother with that anymore.

On Android (and on iOS) one can download and route and show your position
on an offline geoReferenced PDF (all the USA parks & every inch of the USA
except for the military locations has a free georeferenced PDF for that).

Most people use Avenza (iOS/Android) for routing on georeferenced PDFs.
*Avenza Maps* Offline Mapping by Avenza Systems Inc., In-app purchases
Free, ad free, 4.6 star, 72.6K reviews, 1M+ Downloads
<https://www.avenza.com/avenza-maps/>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Avenza>
<https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id388424049>

But I use Paper Maps (iOS/Android) because it has fewer limitations.
*Paper Maps* by Abbro Inc, In-app purchases
Free, ad free, 5K+ Downloads
<https://www.paper-maps.com/>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ca.abbro.androidmap>
<https://apps.apple.com/app/nextmap/id1147385120>

What I use also is a platform-agnostic web site which generates geoPDFs for
any area, such as Caltopo does - as can be shown here for Europe.
<https://caltopo.com/map.html#ll=40.14529,14.83154&z=5&b=mbt>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.caltopo.android>

With Caltopo, you can plan a route and save it on a georeferenced PDF.
Then you can load that georeferenced PDF & route into any map program.
<https://www.offline-maps.net/>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.psyberia.offlinemaps>

There's more if you know what you're doing, as I never have any problem
routing offline on either iOS or Android (but I mostly use Android).

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: AJL
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On 12/2/2024 12:08 PM, Andrew wrote:
> AJL wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 18:13:34 -0000 (UTC) :

>>> How many people with plumbing repairs hire a plumber to do the
>>> dirty work?
>>
>> Me. But all the work is done safely and legally.
>
> Rest assured, living in the boonies myself, I do all my well pump
> and septic work,

City water here. City sewer here. Been in this house 24 years. No
problems (yet).

> I take care of my own pool,

Three HOA pools here. No maintenance for me...

> I cut down trees to burn for firewood myself,

Kill trees to pollute the atmosphere? Shame.

> I trench for my (off-grid) guerrilla solar setup,

No solar here. Shame on me. But then my electricity comes from the
nuclear plant 30 miles away so maybe no shame on me??

> I do my own electrical work, and plumbing repairs,

No electrical problems yet but I do call the plumber from time to time.

> I refill my carbon dioxide sodastream canisters at home, I refill my
> one pound propane tanks from my 20 pounders which themselves are
> filled from my thousand-gallon propane tank,

Nothing like that here.

> I refill the vehicles with gasoline myself at home, my cars are 30
> years old and I do all the maintenance & repairs, including changing
> the tires when they're worn and balancing them at home, etc.

Love those gas stations down the street. My cars a year old now so all
repairs are warranty.

> But my point was that the fact you "can" be tracked is more important
> than if the person who wants to track you "knows how" to do it

Of course I can be tracked. I can't think of anyone who would want to
track me though. It would be very boring for them...

> - since they can always hire someone to do that dirty work for them.

I suppose. Sounds like a bit of paranoia thinking to me though.

> If someone is going to track a spouse, I doubt they care if it's
> legal or not, but I even doubt whether or not it's illegal if no
> court order is involved. I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. Neither are
> you I presume. I suspect it's perfectly legal to "track a spouse" as
> long as you don't break a law (e.g., violating a court order) in
> doing so.

Agreed. A court order is likely needed for a spouse. But hiring someone
to do the spouse tracking can likely be illegal.

> The privacy hole is that you "can" be tracked. Not that you "are"
> tracked, since you will likely never know if you're actually being
> tracked.

Agreed. So can you. Go to the doctor? It's online. Pay taxes? It's
online. Use a credit card? It's online. Have a bank account? It's
online. Etc etc etc. All available to the computer bad guys (and office
personnel). And you'll probably never know they're (gasp) looking at it...

> It's so easy to add a keylogger to any computing device, it's not
> funny. Anyone with physical access can do anything to most
> computers.

They'd have to break into my house to have access to my toys. If that
happens I suspect the toys would be gone, not key-logged. And unlike you
I keep all my home stuff locked (even my phone) with 5 digit pins so as
to give me time to change the necessary passwords...

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: Cameo
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Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>>>
>>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>>>
>>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>>>
>>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>>>
>> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
>> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version in the Vanguard app
>> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
>> 401K savings.
>>
>> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
>> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
>> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
>> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
>> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
>> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
>> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
>> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
>> phone, just for this reason. What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
>> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
>> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
>> the AppStore could not be fooled with that. Interestingly, the AppStore
>> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
>> also keep part of my 401K savings. I wish you or somebody else could help
>> me overcome this problem.
>
> This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them?
>
Yes, but the guys you get on the phone don’t know much about tech issues.
They know about financial ones, mostly.

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>>>>
>>>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>>>>
>>>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>>>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>>>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>>>>
>>>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>>>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>>>>
>>> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
>>> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version in the Vanguard app
>>> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
>>> 401K savings.
>>>
>>> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
>>> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
>>> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
>>> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
>>> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
>>> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
>>> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
>>> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
>>> phone, just for this reason. What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
>>> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
>>> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
>>> the AppStore could not be fooled with that. Interestingly, the AppStore
>>> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
>>> also keep part of my 401K savings. I wish you or somebody else could help
>>> me overcome this problem.
>>
>> This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them?
>>
> Yes, but the guys you get on the phone don’t know much about tech issues.
> They know about financial ones, mostly.

They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket.

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AJL, 2024-12-02 17:24:

> On 12/2/24 1:48 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
>> Only, if that "abusive spouse" knows how to do the tracking. Without
>> permission no one can just track others people phones. And if the
>> "abusive spouse" works at a telecommunication provider he may have the
>> location without any GPS at all, since the mobile network base stations
>> always know what devices are near them.
>
> My wife's iPhone is easy to track from any browser of any device. For
[...]

But only because you or your wife have set this up once.

> example I sometimes use this Amazon Fire tablet I'm posting with to check
> on her location when she's late getting home. Course I do have the account
> password since I've always controlled the family electronics. And I suspect
> an abusive spouse could easily do the same thing, no fancy-dancy
> electronics or tracking experience needed...

As I said - one has to know how to do it. If I would have to deal with a
bad ex partner the first thing I would do is to change all my account
passwords and get personal accounts for my own as well.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>>>>>
>>>>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>>>>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>>>>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>>>>>
>>>>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>>>>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>>>>>
>>>> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
>>>> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version in the Vanguard app
>>>> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
>>>> 401K savings.
>>>>
>>>> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
>>>> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
>>>> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
>>>> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
>>>> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
>>>> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
>>>> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
>>>> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
>>>> phone, just for this reason. What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
>>>> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
>>>> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
>>>> the AppStore could not be fooled with that. Interestingly, the AppStore
>>>> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
>>>> also keep part of my 401K savings. I wish you or somebody else could help
>>>> me overcome this problem.
>>>
>>> This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them?
>>>
>> Yes, but the guys you get on the phone don’t know much about tech issues.
>> They know about financial ones, mostly.
>
> They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket.
>
This geofencing is a deliberate policy from Vanguard as the message
indicated when I tried to download the app from the AppStore, so I doubt a
tech guy would go against it, For whatever reason, they think the Apple
platform is not secure for their app, but Android is. Go, figure.

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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On 12/2/2024 3:52 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> AJL, 2024-12-02 17:24:

>> My wife's iPhone is easy to track from any browser of any device.
>> For

> But only because you or your wife have set this up once.

Nope. No setup was required. I just go to my Apple account on any
browser (iCloud.com), sign in, go to Find My Device and a map pops up
showing the location of all her gadgets (iPad, iPhone, and watch).

Course on a new device/browser it does require 2FA. But since I've
already set that up on all my stuff and since Google remembers and
inserts the account name and password, it only takes me a few clicks...

>> example I sometimes use this Amazon Fire tablet I'm posting with to
>> check on her location when she's late getting home. Course I do
>> have the account password since I've always controlled the family
>> electronics. And I suspect an abusive spouse could easily do the
>> same thing, no fancy-dancy electronics or tracking experience
>> needed...

> As I said - one has to know how to do it.

True. But in this case it's super simple and only requires access to the
Apple account in a browser. There are other ways to do it without a
browser of course...

> If I would have to deal with a bad ex partner the first thing I would
> do is to change all my account passwords and get personal accounts
> for my own as well.

And get a good lawyer or everything will get changed back...

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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Cameo wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 23:15:12 -0000 (UTC) :

>> They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket.
>>
> This geofencing is a deliberate policy from Vanguard as the message
> indicated when I tried to download the app from the AppStore, so I doubt a
> tech guy would go against it, For whatever reason, they think the Apple
> platform is not secure for their app, but Android is. Go, figure.

I do not understand the problem, but I will say on that last topic that
only in Apple's (brilliant) advertising is an iPhone more secure than
Android.

In the real world, the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

As for getting around geofencing, what I'd suggest is change the IP address
(which is easy to do) and then change the DNS engine (also easy to do), and
then turn off any Wi-Fi scanning (which Google devilishly auto turns on!).

Sometimes when I download apps, I have to spoof the language and other
times I have to spoof the API level & even spoof the phone make & model.

Of course, you also turn on mock location so that you spoof your location.
All that privacy is easy on Android - but impossible with iOS (as usual).

Apple products are only "private" in the (admittedly brilliant) Apple ads.

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AJL wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 13:35:41 -0700 :

>> Rest assured, living in the boonies myself, I do all my well pump
>> and septic work,
>
> City water here. City sewer here. Been in this house 24 years. No
> problems (yet).

I'm glad you're in a jovial mood as this thread got a bit tedious.

The only "services" we get in the boonies come on the telephone poles.
That's electricity. And phone. Not even cable is here yet. Some day.
(That's why we all have our own antennas - we get Wi-Fi from miles away.)

>> I take care of my own pool,
>
> Three HOA pools here. No maintenance for me...

Just like nobody understands gravity because they've been lied to their
entire lives about what it is, nobody understands pool chemistry either.

If you care, gravity isn't a force. It's the curvature of spacetime inward
rushing at 11km/sec due to mass:energy of the earth - and that inward force
is pressing against the electrostatic outward forces of earth's
electrostatic mass pushing outward at 9.8m/s/s (which is why the earth is
shaped like a ball since those two forces equal out).

Except tidal forces. They're actually real forces. Go figure.

Anyway, gravity is the earth is expanding outward at 9.8m/s/s and spacetime
is rushing inward at 11km/sec which makes us "feel" like there's a force.

Who knew. Most people don't. Most people are incredibly stupid.

When you truly understand something - it's *never* what people intuit.
Likewise with pool chemistry.

It's too hard to describe but there are only two things that matter with
respect to pool chemistry, one of which is disinfection & the other is
saturation, but with those two things are more than a half-dozen "other
things" that determine if the water is aggressive or scaling and whether or
not you can hold chlorine and how much you need - and any of hundreds of
thousands of permutations & combinations will be acceptable - but what
happens is pool stores and web sites alike pick one or two of those things
and say "that" is what you need to fix - which is why almost nobody
understands pool chemistry. Those half dozen things are here:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.elitecrest.orenda>
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/orenda/id1171005221>

By the way, that's the best pool-chemistry app on the planet, bar none.

>> I cut down trees to burn for firewood myself,
>
> Kill trees to pollute the atmosphere? Shame.

Well, in my defense, most of them fell down already, and I'm just bucking
them, but some are the California Bay tree, which is a weed out here, and
others are the various California Oaks that get sudden Oak death disease,
and others still are the Monterey Pine trees that die from the bark beetle.

With all that stuff killing trees, we have plenty of wood to buck.

>> I trench for my (off-grid) guerrilla solar setup,
>
> No solar here. Shame on me. But then my electricity comes from the
> nuclear plant 30 miles away so maybe no shame on me??

Nuclear? Ouch. I love nukes but California is into wind and solar.

We are filthy rich in sunlight. Not so rich in Uranium. NY/NJ has the best
uranium in the country, I'm told (anywhere they have radon problems usually
has good uranium ore). Gotta' love the Laurentian Shield for radioactive
ores.

>> I do my own electrical work, and plumbing repairs,
>
> No electrical problems yet but I do call the plumber from time to time.

Electrical work and plumbing is easy. The only problem is plumbing takes
bending and crawling. Like when you have to snake the septic system. Yuck.

>> I refill my carbon dioxide sodastream canisters at home, I refill my
>> one pound propane tanks from my 20 pounders which themselves are
>> filled from my thousand-gallon propane tank,
>
> Nothing like that here.

It's easy. You buy 10 pounds of dry ice and you pop off the valve of a
10-pound carbon dioxide tank and fill it up and cap it before it sublimes.

Then you leave it outside because it's gonna get frosty and stick to
anything it's touching. Let it warm up outside for a day and now you have
10 pounds of carbon dioxide gas at about 800 psi.

Then flip it upside down and fill up the 1 pound (actually 14 ounces)
sodastream with the liquid carbon dioxide. Easy peasy. Cheap too.

The propane is the same process but you can't flip your 1000 gallon tank so
you let gravity do it for you. But you do flip the 20 pound tank to fill
the 1 pound propane tanks with liquid propane. Same as carbon dioxide.

Easy peasy.
>> I refill the vehicles with gasoline myself at home, my cars are 30
>> years old and I do all the maintenance & repairs, including changing
>> the tires when they're worn and balancing them at home, etc.
>
> Love those gas stations down the street. My cars a year old now so all
> repairs are warranty.

My cars are three decades old but they're all repaired by me so I know
their history as I got them new. Gas I get at Costco in 50 gallon
increments and then I fill up the car with my own gas pump at home.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DLDKHL7B>

Or I siphon if I'm lazy. I put the can on top of the car for height.
You don't worry about scratching the paint on a 30-year old vehicle.

>> But my point was that the fact you "can" be tracked is more important
>> than if the person who wants to track you "knows how" to do it
>
> Of course I can be tracked. I can't think of anyone who would want to
> track me though. It would be very boring for them...

Spouses for some reason are the bogeyman in this thread. Not sure why.
I'm not too worried about my spouse. It's my kids I'm worried about. :)

>> - since they can always hire someone to do that dirty work for them.
>
> I suppose. Sounds like a bit of paranoia thinking to me though.

Luckily we each have only one spouse (at most) to worry about, right?
And we all know where she is 'cuz we've been tracking her for years. :)

>> If someone is going to track a spouse, I doubt they care if it's
>> legal or not, but I even doubt whether or not it's illegal if no
>> court order is involved. I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. Neither are
>> you I presume. I suspect it's perfectly legal to "track a spouse" as
>> long as you don't break a law (e.g., violating a court order) in
>> doing so.
>
> Agreed. A court order is likely needed for a spouse. But hiring someone
> to do the spouse tracking can likely be illegal.

I don't know - as I'm not a lawyer - but I don't think so. I think it's
fine to track anyone you want as long as you use legal means to do so.

Unless there's a court order or a trespassing decree. Did you know that
California has trespassing laws that start from infraction and go to
felony? That's as complicated as the California curb-color laws.

Yellow. White. Green. Blue. Red. Do they really need 5 different colors?

>> The privacy hole is that you "can" be tracked. Not that you "are"
>> tracked, since you will likely never know if you're actually being
>> tracked.
>
> Agreed. So can you. Go to the doctor? It's online. Pay taxes? It's
> online. Use a credit card? It's online. Have a bank account? It's
> online. Etc etc etc. All available to the computer bad guys (and office
> personnel). And you'll probably never know they're (gasp) looking at it...

Every time some lady in an office tells me she needs my identifying
information and then she says they "protect" it, I give her an earful.

>> It's so easy to add a keylogger to any computing device, it's not
>> funny. Anyone with physical access can do anything to most
>> computers.
>
> They'd have to break into my house to have access to my toys. If that
> happens I suspect the toys would be gone, not key-logged. And unlike you
> I keep all my home stuff locked (even my phone) with 5 digit pins so as
> to give me time to change the necessary passwords...

As you know, I have no passwords or pins on my computer devices, but my
kids and wife have them and we all know everyone's code 'cuz it's their
birthday. Ooops. I said too much...

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> Cameo wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 23:15:12 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket.
>>>
>> This geofencing is a deliberate policy from Vanguard as the message
>> indicated when I tried to download the app from the AppStore, so I doubt a
>> tech guy would go against it, For whatever reason, they think the Apple
>> platform is not secure for their app, but Android is. Go, figure.
>
> I do not understand the problem, but I will say on that last topic that
> only in Apple's (brilliant) advertising is an iPhone more secure than
> Android.
>
> In the real world, the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>
> As for getting around geofencing, what I'd suggest is change the IP address
> (which is easy to do) and then change the DNS engine (also easy to do), and
> then turn off any Wi-Fi scanning (which Google devilishly auto turns on!).
>
> Sometimes when I download apps, I have to spoof the language and other
> times I have to spoof the API level & even spoof the phone make & model.
>
> Of course, you also turn on mock location so that you spoof your location.
> All that privacy is easy on Android - but impossible with iOS (as usual).
>
> Apple products are only "private" in the (admittedly brilliant) Apple ads.
>
This is too complicated to a recent convert from Android and I am thinking
of buying myself a second phone that would be Android. That would allow me
to use the best apps from either OS.

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: AJL
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Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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On 12/2/2024 11:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
> AJL wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 13:35:41 -0700 :

>> Go to the doctor? It's online. Pay taxes? It's online. Use a credit
>> card? It's online. Have a bank account? It's online. Etc etc etc.
>> All available to the computer bad guys (and office personnel).

> Every time some lady in an office tells me she needs my identifying
> information and then she says they "protect" it, I give her an
> earful.

I doubt you'll get many medical services without the required ID info
given. And if you insist on pissing off the office help, your medical
services efficiency will likely decline. Human nature with office folks.

The only ID I don't give when requested for 'serious' services is my
SS#. I just smile and say I can't remember it. Course that doesn't work
for places like banks, investments, Uncle Sam, etc...

>> They'd have to break into my house to have access to my toys. If
>> that happens I suspect the toys would be gone, not key-logged. And
>> unlike you I keep all my home stuff locked (even my phone) with 5
>> digit pins so as to give me time to change the necessary
>> passwords...

> As you know, I have no passwords or pins on my computer devices,

In one of my prior lives I spent 25 years in law enforcement and
investigated many many burglaries. Lots of computer stuff was taken.
Perhaps that makes me more paranoid (realistic?) than the next guy. And
on a more personal not the guy across the street had all his electronics
removed in a burglary a few years ago.

Add to that that us Google users devices are completely open to Google
apps without a password or pin on the device. With me that includes
Google Drive with lots of personal backup info on it. So that's the
reason I use a pin on all my stuff. In the event of a burglary the plan
is to use a remaining device to change my Google password. Then all my
stolen stuff will no longer have my account and my info will no longer
be available. The same plan works for my phone should I lose it while
out and about...

Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
From: Chris
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Subject: Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
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Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>>>>>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>>>>>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>>>>>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
>>>>> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version in the Vanguard app
>>>>> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
>>>>> 401K savings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
>>>>> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
>>>>> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
>>>>> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
>>>>> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
>>>>> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
>>>>> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
>>>>> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
>>>>> phone, just for this reason. What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
>>>>> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
>>>>> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
>>>>> the AppStore could not be fooled with that. Interestingly, the AppStore
>>>>> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
>>>>> also keep part of my 401K savings. I wish you or somebody else could help
>>>>> me overcome this problem.
>>>>
>>>> This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them?
>>>>
>>> Yes, but the guys you get on the phone don’t know much about tech issues.
>>> They know about financial ones, mostly.
>>
>> They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket.
>>
> This geofencing is a deliberate policy from Vanguard as the message
> indicated when I tried to download the app from the AppStore, so I doubt a
> tech guy would go against it,

I would be interested to see this security message.

> For whatever reason, they think the Apple
> platform is not secure for their app, but Android is. Go, figure.

It sounds like a company policy based on ignorance or an error on one of
the platforms.

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