A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.

Yesterday we were driving to San Francisco from Silicon Valley and I
told my son to get us on the wait list for a popular restaurant.

He tried, but the Yelp wait list app uses geofencing and you can't sign
up on the wait list unless you're within a certain distance from the
restaurant, apparently five miles, and we were about 15 miles away.

My son has an iPhone. I said to him "well on Android..." and he
interrupted me and said, "yes, I know what you're going to say, GPS
location spoofing."

This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
would be useful. The other is to try to get a two-day advance permit to
hike "The Wave:" "Two days before desired entry– Apply using your phone
or other mobile device between 6 AM and 6 PM Utah time two days before
the desired entry date on recreation.gov. You must be within the
designated geofenced area to apply."

sms wrote on Fri, 29 Nov 2024 14:10:17 -0800 :

> A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
>
> Yesterday we were driving to San Francisco from Silicon Valley and I
> told my son to get us on the wait list for a popular restaurant.
>
> He tried, but the Yelp wait list app uses geofencing and you can't sign
> up on the wait list unless you're within a certain distance from the
> restaurant, apparently five miles, and we were about 15 miles away.
>
> My son has an iPhone. I said to him "well on Android..." and he
> interrupted me and said, "yes, I know what you're going to say, GPS
> location spoofing."
>
> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
> would be useful. The other is to try to get a two-day advance permit to
> hike "The Wave:" "Two days before desired entry�V Apply using your phone
> or other mobile device between 6 AM and 6 PM Utah time two days before
> the desired entry date on recreation.gov. You must be within the
> designated geofenced area to apply."

Steve is correct that you can't do something even this simple on iOS.

And yet, it's extremely useful for anyone, even as nospam would say it's
*not needed* & *not wanted*
Simply because Apple doesn't have the technical knowhow to implement it.

In fact, this native GPS location spoofing can be used whenever a program
or web site "thinks" it needs your location - where I use it mostly because
some programs require GPS location when they don't actually "need" it.

For example, graphical Wi-Fi & cellular debuggers "require" your GPS radio
to be on, but you know where you are - so they don't actually "need" it.

But you have to give them your location - so - you spoof it. Here's how:
1. Download a mock-location app
2. Turn on Developer options
3. Set the mock-location app
4. Run the app

The mock-location app I use most is Lexa but there are many to choose from.
I chose Lexa as the Skyica App Finder lists it as the best rated, but other
apps will spoof Wi-Fi providers too, and other apps will move along a road,
etc., which I found when I tested every Android fake-GPS app a while ago.

Fake GPS location by Lexa
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps>

Fake GPS Location - LocaEdit
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobile.fakelocation>

Mocation Fake Location by Rasfar
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rasfar.mock.location>

DS Fake GPS Location by Disciple Skies
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.discipleskies.mock_location_spoofer>

Mock Location and More by Vyrazu Labs
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vyrazu.mocklocationfakegps>

Cartage - Fake GPS Location by Mock Applications
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mock.cartage>

Fake GPS: Location spoofer
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=project.listick.fakegps>

AnyGo GPS Spoofer: Fake GPS
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.luckydog.anygoapp>

Mock Loc
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mocker.mockloc>

Fake GPS Location Spoofer by Fast Video Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fake.gps.location.changer.spoof.location>

Movable Mock GPS by Tomer Brosh
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bomerapps.movablemockgps>

GPS Locker Fake your location by Foxbyte Code
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.foxbytecode.gpslocker>

Fake GPS Phone Location by Selfie Photo Editor
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=find.my.friends.family.gps.location.tracker>

GPS Spoofer MH Tool - Loc Spoof by liqiyu
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.irocket.locspoof>

GPS Location Change - Joystick by LovMoMo
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.momo.fakegps.locationchanger>

AnyGo-AnyTo Change Location by dcxhwsj
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iFoneTool.AnyGo>

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
>
> Yesterday we were driving to San Francisco from Silicon Valley and I
> told my son to get us on the wait list for a popular restaurant.
>
> He tried, but the Yelp wait list app uses geofencing and you can't sign
> up on the wait list unless you're within a certain distance from the
> restaurant, apparently five miles, and we were about 15 miles away.
>
> My son has an iPhone. I said to him "well on Android..." and he
> interrupted me and said, "yes, I know what you're going to say, GPS
> location spoofing."
>
> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
> would be useful. The other is to try to get a two-day advance permit to
> hike "The Wave:" "Two days before desired entry– Apply using your phone
> or other mobile device between 6 AM and 6 PM Utah time two days before
> the desired entry date on recreation.gov. You must be within the
> designated geofenced area to apply."

After disabling location in Android settings, the Yelp app might not be
able to know your location.

Or, instead of using an app (a web-centric interface), use your web
browser to connect to the restaurant's web site to make a reservation.
In the web browser, first disable geolocation. Can be done in Firefox:
about:config -> geo.enabled = false.

I have geolocation disabled in Firefox. None of a site's business where
I am until *I* choose to tell them. Well, they can try using my IP
address for regional location, but that's often a huge radius, like 50
miles.

However, if they cannot manage to finagle your geolocation
automatically, they may reject you outright.

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
>>
>> Yesterday we were driving to San Francisco from Silicon Valley and I
>> told my son to get us on the wait list for a popular restaurant.
>>
>> He tried, but the Yelp wait list app uses geofencing and you can't sign
>> up on the wait list unless you're within a certain distance from the
>> restaurant, apparently five miles, and we were about 15 miles away.
>>
>> My son has an iPhone. I said to him "well on Android..." and he
>> interrupted me and said, "yes, I know what you're going to say, GPS
>> location spoofing."
>>
>> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
>> would be useful. The other is to try to get a two-day advance permit to
>> hike "The Wave:" "Two days before desired entry– Apply using your phone
>> or other mobile device between 6 AM and 6 PM Utah time two days before
>> the desired entry date on recreation.gov. You must be within the
>> designated geofenced area to apply."
>
> After disabling location in Android settings, the Yelp app might not be
> able to know your location.
>
> Or, instead of using an app (a web-centric interface), use your web
> browser to connect to the restaurant's web site to make a reservation.
> In the web browser, first disable geolocation. Can be done in Firefox:
> about:config -> geo.enabled = false.
>
> I have geolocation disabled in Firefox. None of a site's business where
> I am until *I* choose to tell them. Well, they can try using my IP
> address for regional location, but that's often a huge radius, like 50
> miles.
>
> However, if they cannot manage to finagle your geolocation
> automatically, they may reject you outright.

Oops, Firefox Android took away the about:* pages. Guess you'll have to
try disabling location services in Android. For Firefox Android, you
can try to disable location permission: settings -> Site settings ->
Location = Block.

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> sms wrote on Fri, 29 Nov 2024 14:10:17 -0800 :
>
>> A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
>>
>> Yesterday we were driving to San Francisco from Silicon Valley and I
>> told my son to get us on the wait list for a popular restaurant.
>>
>> He tried, but the Yelp wait list app uses geofencing and you can't sign
>> up on the wait list unless you're within a certain distance from the
>> restaurant, apparently five miles, and we were about 15 miles away.
>>
>> My son has an iPhone. I said to him "well on Android..." and he
>> interrupted me and said, "yes, I know what you're going to say, GPS
>> location spoofing."
>>
>> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
>> would be useful. The other is to try to get a two-day advance permit to
>> hike "The Wave:" "Two days before desired entryĄV Apply using your phone
>> or other mobile device between 6 AM and 6 PM Utah time two days before
>> the desired entry date on recreation.gov. You must be within the
>> designated geofenced area to apply."
>
> Steve is correct that you can't do something even this simple on iOS.
>
> And yet, it's extremely useful for anyone, even as nospam would say it's
> *not needed* & *not wanted*
> Simply because Apple doesn't have the technical knowhow to implement it.
>
> In fact, this native GPS location spoofing can be used whenever a program
> or web site "thinks" it needs your location - where I use it mostly because
> some programs require GPS location when they don't actually "need" it.
>
> For example, graphical Wi-Fi & cellular debuggers "require" your GPS radio
> to be on, but you know where you are - so they don't actually "need" it.
>
> But you have to give them your location - so - you spoof it. Here's how:
> 1. Download a mock-location app
> 2. Turn on Developer options
> 3. Set the mock-location app
> 4. Run the app
>
> The mock-location app I use most is Lexa but there are many to choose from.
> I chose Lexa as the Skyica App Finder lists it as the best rated, but other
> apps will spoof Wi-Fi providers too, and other apps will move along a road,
> etc., which I found when I tested every Android fake-GPS app a while ago.
>
> Fake GPS location by Lexa
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps>
>
> Fake GPS Location - LocaEdit
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobile.fakelocation>
>
> Mocation Fake Location by Rasfar
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rasfar.mock.location>
>
> DS Fake GPS Location by Disciple Skies
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.discipleskies.mock_location_spoofer>
>
> Mock Location and More by Vyrazu Labs
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vyrazu.mocklocationfakegps>
>
> Cartage - Fake GPS Location by Mock Applications
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mock.cartage>
>
> Fake GPS: Location spoofer
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=project.listick.fakegps>
>
> AnyGo GPS Spoofer: Fake GPS
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.luckydog.anygoapp>
>
> Mock Loc
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mocker.mockloc>
>
> Fake GPS Location Spoofer by Fast Video Downloads
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fake.gps.location.changer.spoof.location>
>
> Movable Mock GPS by Tomer Brosh
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bomerapps.movablemockgps>
>
> GPS Locker Fake your location by Foxbyte Code
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.foxbytecode.gpslocker>
>
> Fake GPS Phone Location by Selfie Photo Editor
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=find.my.friends.family.gps.location.tracker>
>
> GPS Spoofer MH Tool - Loc Spoof by liqiyu
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.irocket.locspoof>
>
> GPS Location Change - Joystick by LovMoMo
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.momo.fakegps.locationchanger>
>
> AnyGo-AnyTo Change Location by dcxhwsj
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iFoneTool.AnyGo>
>
Should be built-in in a good VPN app.

Cameo wrote on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 03:56:26 -0000 (UTC) :

> Should be built-in in a good VPN app.

Good point that your IP address contains a geolocatable source location.

My perfect GPS spoofer would return the spoofed GPS location, which would
randomly snap to roads at a random set of paces (consistent with the road
speeds) at a given time frame with the altitude removed as most altitude
spoofing is done via a Google lookup (which kind of gives you away).

I'd also remove the nearby Wi-Fi access points, as they give you away too.

On 11/29/2024 7:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

<snip>

> After disabling location in Android settings, the Yelp app might not be
> able to know your location.

Nope, doesn't work if you disable location.

> Or, instead of using an app (a web-centric interface), use your web
> browser to connect to the restaurant's web site to make a reservation.
> In the web browser, first disable geolocation. Can be done in Firefox:
> about:config -> geo.enabled = false.

Nope, no reservations at this place for breakfast or lunch, just an
online wait list. "During BRUNCH (THUR-SUN), we offer a live online
waitlist through Yelp. Check live wait times and join the waitlist
before you arrive below."

Here's a dialogue about a different restaurant:

"Others have stated you can do it via the Yelp app, *however* they
require that you be physically located within 5 miles of the restaurant,
so you can't get on the waitlist if you're too far away!

(Pro tip: there are apps that let your phone believe you're physically
located somewhere other than where you actually are. ;-) )"

There is actually location spoofing detection software in use in some
games like Pokemon Go. I think that they compare your IP address to your
GPS location so the workaround is to also use a VPN.

On 11/29/2024 7:56 PM, Cameo wrote:

<snip>

> Should be built-in in a good VPN app.
True, it is built into Surfshark (for Android only).

On an iPhone you can connect the phone to a computer and use iAnyGo,
$89.95 for a lifetime license.

GPS spoofing can also be a safety thing for victims of abuse that have
fled an abusive spouse and that want to prevent tracking.

On 30.11.24 06:12, sms wrote:
> On 11/29/2024 7:56 PM, Cameo wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Should be built-in in a good VPN app.
> True, it is built into Surfshark (for Android only).
>
> On an iPhone you can connect the phone to a computer and use iAnyGo,
> $89.95 for a lifetime license.
>
> GPS spoofing can also be a safety thing for victims of abuse that have
> fled an abusive spouse and that want to prevent tracking.

There are much better solutions for that which are safer and cheaper.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 11/29/2024 7:56 PM, Cameo wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Should be built-in in a good VPN app.
> True, it is built into Surfshark (for Android only).

Darn, I do subscribe to Surfshark, but it is not much use on my iPhone.

> On an iPhone you can connect the phone to a computer and use iAnyGo,
> $89.95 for a lifetime license.
>
But that would not let me use it away from the computer, right?

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> On 11/29/2024 7:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> After disabling location in Android settings, the Yelp app might not be
>> able to know your location.
>
> Nope, doesn't work if you disable location.
>
>> Or, instead of using an app (a web-centric interface), use your web
>> browser to connect to the restaurant's web site to make a reservation.
>> In the web browser, first disable geolocation. Can be done in Firefox:
>> about:config -> geo.enabled = false.
>
> Nope, no reservations at this place for breakfast or lunch, just an
> online wait list. "During BRUNCH (THUR-SUN), we offer a live online
> waitlist through Yelp. Check live wait times and join the waitlist
> before you arrive below."
>
> Here's a dialogue about a different restaurant:
>
> "Others have stated you can do it via the Yelp app, *however* they
> require that you be physically located within 5 miles of the restaurant,
> so you can't get on the waitlist if you're too far away!
>
> (Pro tip: there are apps that let your phone believe you're physically
> located somewhere other than where you actually are. ;-) )"
>
> There is actually location spoofing detection software in use in some
> games like Pokemon Go. I think that they compare your IP address to your
> GPS location so the workaround is to also use a VPN.

I tried to do a Yelp search for restaurants in a city several hundred
miles away. I used the filter "Takes reservations". However, of the
restaurants I looked at, there was no Reservation button or link for me
to test if a reservation would get rejected for me being so far away.
Then I clicked on the links to the restaurants' web sites, and looked at
their reservations. None refused me looking at reservations, but I
wasn't going to make one since I won't be going there.

My web browser (Firefox) on my desktop has geolocation disabled. On my
Firefox Android, I have the location permission blocked. I couldn't
come up with a test case to check if I would get geofenced at Yelp or
the restaurant's web site.

Was it Yelp or the restaurant that geofenced you? If the restaurant's
web site, maybe if you told me what it was then I could test. However,
perhaps their geofencing is not applied until you try to actually make a
reservation rather than just visit their reservation page.

I don't have Yelp's app, and won't bother with it. Most times I find
the web-centric apps offer little more than a web browser to their site.
You just get a different (customized) web browser inside of an app
window. Maybe the geofencing was enforced by their app. Since you're
using their app instead of a web browser to visit their site, the app
could still try to get where you are using the Google Geolocation API.

https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geolocation/overview

On 29.11.24 23:10, sms wrote:
> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
> would be useful. The other is to try to get a two-day advance permit to
> hike "The Wave:"

We know that you tend to act antisocially.
To state that publicly is just stupid.

Troll

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

sms wrote:

> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
> would be useful.

Is it actually an advantage, if you don't make use of it?

Cameo wrote on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 07:16:46 -0000 (UTC) :

>> On an iPhone you can connect the phone to a computer and use iAnyGo,
>> $89.95 for a lifetime license.
>>
> But that would not let me use it away from the computer, right?

Bear in mind that the IP address is only one geolocatable entity that a
phone reports back to the site that is trying to locate your position.

IMHO, most Android phones are poorly set up such that they update your
(so-called) "precise location" to Google (via nearby Wi-Fi access points).

I'm not sure about iPhones though. Do they update your (so-called) "precise
location" (via local Wi-Fi access points) to Google & other servers?

Probably not since Apple does its equivalent of (so-called) "precise
location" differently.

Differentially, Androids *upload* all the access points they can "see" to
online public Google/Mozilla/WiGle/etc., servers,. while iPhones *download*
that public access-point information.

The question is *where* does Apple get that public AP information from?

Andy Burns wrote on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 10:25:05 +0000 :

>> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
>> would be useful.
>
> Is it actually an advantage, if you don't make use of it?

Do you ever check traffic near home while you're using your mobile device?
<https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3572114,-121.9626943,12.68z>

Do you want to maintain your location privacy while checking that traffic?
<https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3572114,-121.9626943,12z/data=!5m1!1e1>

I often check traffic using that Google web URL for my local Silicon Valley
area where at a glance I can easily tell the red from the green zones.

Since I'm familiar with my home area, a simple "color" glance tells me
which direction has less traffic (e.g., up 85 to 101 or up 880 to 101).

Why should I give Google my (so-called) "precise location" (or even my
course location) just to check the colors in that local traffic report?

With mock location (aka GPS fake location spoofing) we can tap on that web
URL to Google's web browser map interface to see Silicon Valley traffic.

And Google has no idea where we are (Firefox also, if we were to use it).
--
Note that "precise location" requires spoofing Wi-Fi AP to report nothing.

Andrew wrote:

> Do you ever check traffic near home while you're using your mobile device?
> <https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3572114,-121.9626943,12z/data=!5m1!1e1>

Not typically on a city-scale like that, the hotspot will likely alter
during my journey, but I do use 'satnav' even on journeys I'm familiar
with, to allow it to give me re-routing choices along the way.

Andy,

>> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
>> would be useful.
>
> Is it actually an advantage, if you don't make use of it?

Yes. Just not for you.

And why did you replace "would be useful" with "advantage" ? There are
useful things which do not give you any advantage - as there is noone to win
or lose from.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Curious is me. You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not. Which
what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone? 27 are listed at:

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps

On 30/11/2024, VanguardLH wrote:

> Curious is me. You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
> but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not. Which
> what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone? 27 are listed at:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps

You're using the wrong search engine. Use the app people put on the phone.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 11:12:46 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 10:25:05 +0000 :
>
>>> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing
>>> would be useful.
>>
>> Is it actually an advantage, if you don't make use of it?
>
> Do you ever check traffic near home while you're using your mobile device?
> <https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3572114,-121.9626943,12.68z>
>
> Do you want to maintain your location privacy while checking that traffic?
> <https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3572114,-121.9626943,12z/data=!5m1!1e1>
>
> I often check traffic using that Google web URL for my local Silicon Valley
> area where at a glance I can easily tell the red from the green zones.
>
> Since I'm familiar with my home area, a simple "color" glance tells me
> which direction has less traffic (e.g., up 85 to 101 or up 880 to 101).
>
> Why should I give Google my (so-called) "precise location" (or even my
> course location) just to check the colors in that local traffic report?
>
> With mock location (aka GPS fake location spoofing) we can tap on that web
> URL to Google's web browser map interface to see Silicon Valley traffic.
>
> And Google has no idea where we are (Firefox also, if we were to use it).
> --
> Note that "precise location" requires spoofing Wi-Fi AP to report nothing.

I've been using a similar web url for "home" and for "hospital" for years.
All the while using lexa as the best app for the location spoofing part.

It asks if you want to use the Google Maps app but you just say no.

Then it brings up Google Maps in the web browser which works perfect.

Google doesn't know where you are but you can still see all the traffic.

Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Curious is me. You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
>> but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not. Which
>> what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone? 27 are listed at:
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps
>
> You're using the wrong search engine. Use the app people put on the phone.

Oh, so you're keeping it a secret.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:55:27 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

>>> Curious is me. You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
>>> but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not. Which
>>> what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone? 27 are listed at:
>>>
>>> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps
>>
>> You're using the wrong search engine. Use the app people put on the phone.
>
> Oh, so you're keeping it a secret.

It can't be that much of a secret since I saw someone previously mentioned
it in this thread which he said was his search engine app on his phone.

In addition to the search app, someone also suggested in this thread what
the best gps spoofing apps were (which that search app finds for you).

Maybe you don't read all the posts in this thread but that's not my fault
as I shouldn't be required to teach you what you didn't bother to read.

Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:55:27 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>>>> Curious is me. You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
>>>> but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not. Which
>>>> what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone? 27 are listed at:
>>>>
>>>> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps
>>>
>>> You're using the wrong search engine. Use the app people put on the phone.
>>
>> Oh, so you're keeping it a secret.
>
> It can't be that much of a secret since I saw someone previously mentioned
> it in this thread which he said was his search engine app on his phone.
>
> In addition to the search app, someone also suggested in this thread what
> the best gps spoofing apps were (which that search app finds for you).
>
> Maybe you don't read all the posts in this thread but that's not my fault
> as I shouldn't be required to teach you what you didn't bother to read.

Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"

That was addressed to sms, not to you, Andrew, and anyone else in this
discussion. It is unclear from sms remarks if he uses a GPS spoofing
app at all, or merely commented that it's possible on Android as a jibe
against iOS.

Andrew made a list, but does he really use ALL those apps? No, he just
did a search, and spewed out the search hits. That doesn't any of them
are good nor indicate which is best. I already did the "gps" search at
play.google.com, and mentioned that, but I didn't go listing every
search hit. I was prodding for recommendations. Just because someone
uses an app doesn't mean they stuck with it, and might've changed to
another one until they found a best choice. Andrew can publish a large
a lists as he wants that are merely search hits at play.google.com, or
elsewhere (e.g., fdroid.com). A dictionary doesn't teach how to write.

VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :

> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"

I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).

Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.

I know the OP (Steve) well & while he does use Android & iOS daily (just as
I do too), he doesn't know all that much about Android, so you're not
likely to get from Steve which is the best app - but you can try as Steve
is listening so he is welcome to answer your questions for you if I can't.

> That was addressed to sms, not to you, Andrew, and anyone else in this
> discussion. It is unclear from sms remarks if he uses a GPS spoofing
> app at all, or merely commented that it's possible on Android as a jibe
> against iOS.

Steve is an expert (as am I an expert) in the difference between Android
and iOS, although Steve doesn't know as much as I do about Android
technicalities & I don't know as much as Steve does about iOS intricacies.

Together we know a LOT more than any of the rest of the people here do.
That means any answer from both Steve and from me, is a damn good answer.

Just ask.

> Andrew made a list, but does he really use ALL those apps? No, he just
> did a search, and spewed out the search hits.

Please don't guess as your guess is dead wrong. I have tested *every* app
in that list and I reported on them in the past - where in the end, I
settled on Lexa, which does happen to be the most highly rated spoofer app.

*Fake GPS location by Lexa*
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps>

> That doesn't [mean] any of them are good nor indicate which is best.

If I recommend an app, it's already damn good as I have a zero tolerance
policy for apps that don't do what they're supposed to do, for free.

Without ads.

Lexa isn't perfect but it's good. But it doesn't have all that I want.

What I'd want in a gps spoofing app is more detail about the cellular &
Wi-Fi access point spoofing it does - and I'd want it to snap to roads when
moving and it would be nice if the altitude database wasn't from Google.

> I already did the "gps" search at
> play.google.com, and mentioned that, but I didn't go listing every
> search hit. I was prodding for recommendations. Just because someone
> uses an app doesn't mean they stuck with it, and might've changed to
> another one until they found a best choice. Andrew can publish a large
> a lists as he wants that are merely search hits at play.google.com, or
> elsewhere (e.g., fdroid.com).

I've said many times that Lexa is the best, but it's a close match since
all the listed apps are free ad free GPS spoofing apps - so the difference
between any two apps comes down to the list of additional features it has.

> A dictionary doesn't teach how to write.

Being an extremely helpful kind-hearted person, I'm going to go a bit out
of my way to help you understand that searching Google Play Store is like
searching the dictionary with your eyes closed and randomly picking apps.

Don't do that.
The Google Play Store search is just about the worst search there is.

Actually, it might even be worse than the Apple App Store search, but
they're both on the same level of absolutely atrocious lack of filters.

Both App Stores just output a list without any useful filtering of it.

When you want meaningful filtering, which you can't get on iOS but you can
get on Android, is why you want to use the free ad free Skyica App Finder.
<https://skyica.com/appfinder/get/>

It's not an exaggeration there will never be a better search engine in the
history of smart phones than that app, which I helped the developer test.

The search filters are like a UNIX manpage in terms of user control, and
yet, the basic search is a clickbox set of simple suggestions.

In my humble opinion, bearing in mind I know Android better than most
people do, this Skyica App Finder is easily the best app on Android.

Once you use Skyica, you'll never use the Google Play Store search again.
Since you love details, try it and let us know what you think of it.

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>
>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>
> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>
> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>
Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version in the Vanguard app
of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
401K savings.

Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
phone, just for this reason. What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
the AppStore could not be fooled with that. Interestingly, the AppStore
does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
also keep part of my 401K savings. I wish you or somebody else could help
me overcome this problem.