On 2025-01-11 06:18, Marion wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 03:18:04 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>
>
>> Maybe you will learn that you are stupid insulting people
>
> OK. Let's run a simple empirical experiment, shall we?
>
> a. You stop wrongfully accusing me of hiding in the message body

But you do hide. You are constantly changing names in order to confuse
people in thinking you are a new guy instead of old Arlen and evading
kill file filters.

> b. And I'll stop proving that you're a moron by pointing to what you do

Everybody knows you lie and insult when people do not agree with what
you say.

>
> How's that for a good experiment, Carlos?
> A. You immediately stop insulting me (which is what started this tangent).

I have never insulted you. Post the quote.

> B. Then I'll stop responding to your insults (because they won't be there).
>
> Deal?
> That way we can get back to kind-hearted purposefully helpful posts.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 15:27:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote :

> On 2025-01-11 06:18, Marion wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 03:18:04 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>
>>> Maybe you will learn that you are stupid insulting people
>>
>> OK. Let's run a simple empirical experiment, shall we?
>>
>> a. You stop wrongfully accusing me of hiding in the message body
>
> But you do hide. You are constantly changing names in order to confuse
> people in thinking you are a new guy instead of old Arlen and evading
> kill file filters.
>
>> b. And I'll stop proving that you're a moron by pointing to what you do
>
> Everybody knows you lie and insult when people do not agree with what
> you say.
>
>>
>> How's that for a good experiment, Carlos?
>> A. You immediately stop insulting me (which is what started this tangent).
>
> I have never insulted you. Post the quote.
>
>> B. Then I'll stop responding to your insults (because they won't be there).
>>
>> Deal?
>> That way we can get back to kind-hearted purposefully helpful posts.

Jesus Christ Carlos.

What value did you add to this thread that had any semblance of topic?
All you can do is insult people by calling them trolls.

You can't possibly add even a single iota of on-topic value.
In fact, everything from you *subtracts* value from this thread Carlos.

To you the earth is flat. The sun revolves around the earth. 1+1=3
And gravity is a supernatural force that acts instantly at a distance.

But that's all wrong Carlos.
Yet your absurd argument is as if all those things are true, Carlos.

I'm not hiding from you, Carlos, in the body of the message.
Get that into your super-smooth brain please.

FACT!
I post from the same Santa Cruz mountains for decades, Carlos.
My free galaxy never changes Carlos, & I often even post my bill.
I always care about privacy. And I always make use of free ad free apps.

I post the same detailed annotated images which only I post, Carlos.
<https://i.postimg.cc/x1BL0M8G/shortcut-location-accuracy04.jpg>
I don't even change the unique homescreen Carlos. Nor the writing color.

For Christ sake Carlos, if that's "hiding" to you, then Lord help you when
someone is actually hiding from you.

The very fact you scream out in public joyous absurdly unfathomable ecstasy
that *I FOUND YOU!!!!!!!* says far more about you than it does about me.

When you stop insulting me, I'll stop responding to your insults, Carlos.
Same with Frank who accuses everyone of being me. Just stop those insults.

Now can we get back to kind-hearted purposefully helpful posts please?

Marion,

> How I react to you depends on what YOU say, Frank.

Whohoo, a tautology (read: meaningless statements are meaningless).

> I'm extremely consistent.

Absolutily.

If someone disagrees with you, you insult them by telling them they are
dumb. Full stop.

The only way to keep you from insulting someone is by them agreeing with
/whatever/ you say.

The only one, between your ears, who knows what the truth is is you, and
*only* you.

.... even if you cannot support such claims or even just explain them.

.... and nonwithstanding your never-ending stream of "gimme, gimme, gimme"
hair-brained questions (with you asking *us* for knowledge *you*, obviously,
do not have - but still we are the "dumb" ones. Go figure).

Kiddo, you are a mental case.

And by the way, hospitals get faster-and-faster with those sex-change
operations, don't they ? Just a week ago you where andrew, and now you are
already up-and-about as marion.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

p.s
I tried to find one of your tutorials, by using, as you posted it, the
pictures name, its description, and even your old "arlen holder" nym. None
of the search engines I tried returned a hit. Your posting "for posterity"
of your "tutorials" seems to have had a very short shelf life...

On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 22:19:14 +0100, R.Wieser wrote :

> I tried to find one of your tutorials, by using, as you posted it, the
> pictures name, its description, and even your old "arlen holder" nym. None
> of the search engines I tried returned a hit. Your posting "for posterity"
> of your "tutorials" seems to have had a very short shelf life...

Hi Rudy,

I'm trying to get back to kind-hearted writing of helpful tutorials, so
it's not good that people like you & Carlos whine like little girls here.

Your whole life you've been told you are stupid; that statement shows why.
Same with Carlos. You *hate* that you're stupid. So you blame me for that.

To wit, for the iPhone newsgroup:
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/search?q=tutorial%20arlen>

For the Android newsgroup:
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/search?q=tutorial%20arlen>

For someone to say they can't find the tutorials just means they are
stupid. Yet for you to conclude they don't exist is *why* you're stupid.

For the Windows newsgroup:
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows/search?q=tutorial%20arlen>

There are so many of them, I can't even find them all myself, Rudy.
But just one page is more added value than you've added your whole life.

For the Linux newsgroup:
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/search?q=tutorial%20arlen>

People like you & Carlos were told by everyone that you're stupid.
The reason is obvious given neither of you has any value to add.

All you can do is whine & cry that everyone is smarter than you are.
Please reply with just one purposefully helpful tutorial you wrote.

Carlos: Respond with just one tutorial that you've written.
Rudy: Same with you. Just one purposefully helpful tutorial you wrote.

Name just one.

Now can we get back to writing kind-hearted helpful tutorials please?

"Marion",

> I'm trying to get back to kind-hearted writing of helpful tutorials, so
> it's not good that people like you & Carlos whine like little girls here.

Are you denying that you insult people (and) calling them stupid ?

Are you denying that you copy-pasted something I wrote and tried to make it
sound that I agreed with you about something completely different ?

Are you denying that you claimed that someone who's response did not even
come /near/ your question was the only one who understood your question ?

> Your whole life you've been told you are stupid; that statement shows
> why.Same with Carlos. You *hate* that you're stupid. So you blame me for
> that.

:-) Kiddo, you are making claims about my life you have no way of knowing.
The only reason you doing it is to convince yourself. You call everyone
dumb because *you* can't cope with the idea that you aren't the smartest
person around, or even in this newsgroup.

> All you can do is whine & cry that everyone is smarter than you are.

I encounter "dumber" and "smarter" people regulary, even in this newsgroup.
Its a fact of life. The first I can, when they ask, help with what I know,
and I can learn from the others.

> Please reply with just one purposefully helpful tutorial you wrote.

If I did, that would help *me* ... how ? And no, your assessment of
what I, or anyone else for that matter, created would be directly suspect,
as you consider yourself the best-of-the-best, no matter what.

Besides, I have no wish to see you butcher something I wrote into one of
those "tutorials" you like(d) to churn out.

I also remember that time where you tried to demand that I should prove my
worth to you - by giving you exactly the answers you needed, and you where
very pushy about it (gee, I wonder why...).

Thats right, this is not the first time you are trying to play this game
with me.

Also, its *you* who measures someones worth by the number of tutorials they
write. I certainly don't.

> Rudy: Same with you. Just one purposefully helpful tutorial you wrote.

I will think of that after I see you post your own first "purposefully
helpful" tutorial.

And no, putting a billboard saying "prime land, ready for house-building" in
the middle of a snake and crocodile swamp does not magically make it so.

> Now can we get back to writing kind-hearted helpful tutorials please?

Beside the problem that most, or not all of them are downright garbage, how
is your "asking that others do all the legwork for impossible "requests" in
any way "kindharted" or even just "helpfull" to them ?

How is your "all of you are dumb!" shrieking the moment someone disagrees
with you in any way "kindharted" or "helpfull" ?

No kiddo, it doesn't even matter if your tutorials where actually upto snuff
when you treat the people from which you get your knowledge that way.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 21:31:33 +0100, R.Wieser wrote :

> Also, its *you* who measures someones worth by the number of tutorials they
> write. I certainly don't.

Can we get back to helping people learn how to use their mobile devices?
Please reply with just one purposefully helpful tutorial you've written.
Thanks!

"Marion".,

> Can we get back to helping people learn how to use their mobile devices?

Ah yes, the famous "I don't like this conversation anymore" evasion attempt.

Kiddo, in my previous reply you've been presented with a number of questions
and rebuttals which you can't/refuse to deal with, and are now trying to
make a run for it. Just like your dropping of your "andrew" nym and coming
back with this "marion" one. Noone has noticed that either, no sirree! /s

Kiddo, you may think you are a smooth operator, but you are *way* to
obvious - even to someone like me.

Than again, you still thinking that you can get away with such shennigans
but me (again) picking up on them might just mean I'm (much) smarter than
you. :-p

> Please reply with just one purposefully helpful tutorial you've written.

[quote= previous reply]
Besides, I have no wish to see you butcher something I wrote into one of
those "tutorials" you like(d) to churn out.

I also remember that time where you tried to demand that I should prove my
worth to you - by giving you exactly the answers you needed, and you where
very pushy about it (gee, I wonder why...).
[/quote]

A rather famous (to me) quote:
"insanity is to do the same thing over-and-over again while expecting
different results".

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

R.Wieser:
> "Marion":
> > Can we get back to helping people learn how to use their mobile
> > devices?
>
> Ah yes, the famous "I don't like this conversation anymore" evasion
> attempt. ...etc.

I would certainly welcome an end to all this hate talk.
As far as I can see, 'Marion' has no evil intentions, and everyone has
his peculiarities.

On 11.01.25 18:32, Marion wrote:
> Jesus Christ Carlos.
>
> What value did you add to this thread that had any semblance of topic?
> All you can do is insult people by calling them trolls.

Arlen, you are a Troll. Another brain dead identity. Using a girl's name
increases your suvrvivablity? *ROTFLSTC*

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 12.01.25 23:36, Marion wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 21:31:33 +0100, R.Wieser wrote :
>
>> Also, its *you* who measures someones worth by the number of tutorials they
>> write. I certainly don't.
>
> Can we get back to helping people learn how to use their mobile devices?
> Please reply with just one purposefully helpful tutorial you've written.
> Thanks!

That is certainly not the purpose of the Usenet, Troll.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 13.01.25 11:32, Siard wrote:
> R.Wieser:
>> "Marion":
>>> Can we get back to helping people learn how to use their mobile
>>> devices?
>>
>> Ah yes, the famous "I don't like this conversation anymore" evasion
>> attempt. ...etc.
>
> I would certainly welcome an end to all this hate talk.
> As far as I can see, 'Marion' has no evil intentions, and everyone has
> his peculiarities.

I strongly disagree. Marion as she calls herself is an absolute newbie
and tries to guide what is right and what is wrong. One more wrong step
and she disappears in my killfile like all other Arlen-identities.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 2025-01-13 02:32, Siard wrote:
> R.Wieser:
>> "Marion":
>>> Can we get back to helping people learn how to use their mobile
>>> devices?
>>
>> Ah yes, the famous "I don't like this conversation anymore" evasion
>> attempt. ...etc.
>
> I would certainly welcome an end to all this hate talk.
> As far as I can see, 'Marion' has no evil intentions, and everyone has
> his peculiarities.

Then you can't see very far is all I can tell you.

On 2025-01-13 09:00, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 11.01.25 18:32, Marion wrote:
>> Jesus Christ Carlos.
>>
>> What value did you add to this thread that had any semblance of topic?
>> All you can do is insult people by calling them trolls.
>
> Arlen, you are a Troll. Another brain dead identity. Using a girl's name
> increases your suvrvivablity? *ROTFLSTC*
>
>
>

Now be fair!

"Marion" is a name that is occasionally seen for males.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_(given_name)>

Siard,

> I would certainly welcome an end to all this hate talk.

How is confronting someone with his own bad behaviour "hate talk" ? Is that
some new woke "alternate truth" thing perhaps ?

> As far as I can see, 'Marion' has no evil intentions,

Neither does a zonked out drunkard, but I still don't have to accept him
barfing all over me either.

> and everyone has his peculiarities.

True.

One of "marion"s peculiarities is being abusive toward any-and-everyone who
doesn't agree with him. And I/we do not need to accept that.

Another "peculiarity" of him is to ask/cajole others into doing shitloads of
work for him, stuff he could easily do himself - Which I definitily consider
to be a form of, as you call it, evil.

And do notice that our esteemed "marion" here doesn't (wish to) respond to
pretty-much anything I confront him with. Shall we also white-wash that as
a "peculiarity" ?

Nah, I don't think so.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> A rather famous (to me) quote:
> "insanity is to do the same thing over-and-over again while expecting
> different results".

Right. So why bother with Marion at all? You are only driving yourself
insane.

On 2025-01-11 18:32, Marion wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 15:27:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>
>
>> On 2025-01-11 06:18, Marion wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 03:18:04 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>>
>>>> Maybe you will learn that you are stupid insulting people
>>>
>>> OK. Let's run a simple empirical experiment, shall we?
>>>
>>> a. You stop wrongfully accusing me of hiding in the message body
>>
>> But you do hide. You are constantly changing names in order to confuse
>> people in thinking you are a new guy instead of old Arlen and evading
>> kill file filters.
>>
>>> b. And I'll stop proving that you're a moron by pointing to what you do
>>
>> Everybody knows you lie and insult when people do not agree with what
>> you say.
>>
>>>
>>> How's that for a good experiment, Carlos?
>>> A. You immediately stop insulting me (which is what started this
>>> tangent).
>>
>> I have never insulted you. Post the quote.
>>
>>> B. Then I'll stop responding to your insults (because they won't be
>>> there).
>>>
>>> Deal?
>>> That way we can get back to kind-hearted purposefully helpful posts.
>
> Jesus Christ Carlos.
> What value did you add to this thread that had any semblance of topic?
> All you can do is insult people by calling them trolls.
>
> You can't possibly add even a single iota of on-topic value.
> In fact, everything from you *subtracts* value from this thread Carlos.
>

Not reading further. You are a troll. That's not an insult, it is a
FACT. If you do things that trolls do (like change names), then you are
a troll, period.

And about everybody agrees.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2025-01-13 11:32, Siard wrote:
> R.Wieser:
>> "Marion":
>>> Can we get back to helping people learn how to use their mobile
>>> devices?
>>
>> Ah yes, the famous "I don't like this conversation anymore" evasion
>> attempt. ...etc.
>
> I would certainly welcome an end to all this hate talk.
> As far as I can see, 'Marion' has no evil intentions, and everyone has
> his peculiarities.

No evil intentions? How about "her" insults when we don't agree with
"her"? He has been doing that for years.

I can talk with his multiple identities as long as he remains civil.
Which is difficult because changing names is a highly trollish
behaviour. Finding out a new identity puts me in a bad humour.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Chris,

>> A rather famous (to me) quote:
>> "insanity is to do the same thing over-and-over again while expecting
>> different results".
>
> Right. So why bother with Marion at all?

You mean now ? I normally don't, but was named/adressed directly*, and
I've been learned that its anti-social not to respond.

* which kept the converation outof my killfile bin. Normally I don't see
arlens post - up until he changes his nym again.

> You are only driving yourself insane.

What makes you think I'm not already, know it, and consider that to be /my/
"peculiarity" :-)

"They coming to take me away, ha ha, hee hee, ho ho."

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Carlos,

> If you do things that trolls do (like change names), then you are a troll,
> period.

If that would be the /only/ thing he would do - so he can't be
(automatically) tracked (by unnamed nasties) as he explains it - than I
would consider it to be his peculiarity. Not always handy, but rather
harmless. The other behaviours he is exhibiting ? Not so much.

And I don't think he's troll - at least not in the definition that he enjoys
the ruckus he's causing. For instance, he's not jumping at stuff a true
(malicious or not) troll would have a field day with, goading his opponents
even further.

Besides, a troll normaly ends with (good-humoured or not) telling/showing
his opponent(s) how they fell for their goading. Instead arlen here just
"fades away".

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:
> Chris,
>
>>> A rather famous (to me) quote:
>>> "insanity is to do the same thing over-and-over again while expecting
>>> different results".
>>
>> Right. So why bother with Marion at all?
>
> You mean now ? I normally don't, but was named/adressed directly*, and
> I've been learned that its anti-social not to respond.

That's fair. I've done the same in the past.

> * which kept the converation outof my killfile bin. Normally I don't see
> arlens post - up until he changes his nym again.
>
>> You are only driving yourself insane.
>
> What makes you think I'm not already, know it, and consider that to be /my/
> "peculiarity" :-)
>
> "They coming to take me away, ha ha, hee hee, ho ho."

:)

On 13.01.25 18:15, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-01-13 09:00, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 11.01.25 18:32, Marion wrote:
>>> Jesus Christ Carlos.
>>>
>>> What value did you add to this thread that had any semblance of topic?
>>> All you can do is insult people by calling them trolls.
>>
>> Arlen, you are a Troll. Another brain dead identity. Using a girl's name
>> increases your suvrvivablity? *ROTFLSTC*
>>
>>
>>
>
> Now be fair!
>
> "Marion" is a name that is occasionally seen for males.
>
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_(given_name)>

Hardly ever.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-14 11:41:

> On 13.01.25 18:15, Alan wrote:
>> On 2025-01-13 09:00, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 11.01.25 18:32, Marion wrote:
>>>> Jesus Christ Carlos.
>>>>
>>>> What value did you add to this thread that had any semblance of topic?
>>>> All you can do is insult people by calling them trolls.
>>>
>>> Arlen, you are a Troll. Another brain dead identity. Using a girl's name
>>> increases your suvrvivablity? *ROTFLSTC*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Now be fair!
>>
>> "Marion" is a name that is occasionally seen for males.
>>
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_(given_name)>
>
> Hardly ever.

See that page:

Men

Marion Barber Jr. (born 1959), American former National Football League
player
Marion Barber III (1983–2022), American former National Football League
player, son of the above
Marion Barry (1936–2014), former mayor of Washington, D.C.
Marion M. Bradford (1946–2021), American scientist known for his protein
quantification method
Marion Broadstone (1906–1972), American National Football League player
Marion Butts (born 1966), American National Football League player
Marion Cox (1920–1996), NASCAR car owner
Marion Knight Jr. (born 1965), birth name of Suge Knight, founder of
Death Row Records
Marion Mann (1920–2022), American physician and pathologist
Marion Morrison (1907–1979), birth name of John Wayne, American film actor
Marion Motley (1920–1999), American National Football League and
All-America Football Conference player, member of the Pro Hall of Fame
Marion Parsonnet (1905–1960), American screenwriter
Marion Albert Pruett (1949–1999), American spree killer
Marion Pugh (1919–1976), American National Football League player
Marion Pat Robertson (1930–2023), American televangelist
Marion Mike Rounds (born 1954), U.S. Senator from (and former Governor
of) South Dakota
Marion Silva Fernandes (born 1991), Brazilian footballer known simply as
"Marion"
Marion Spielmann (1858–1948), English journalist and art critic

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

On 2025-01-14 07:46, R.Wieser wrote:
> Carlos,
>
>> If you do things that trolls do (like change names), then you are a troll,
>> period.
>
> If that would be the /only/ thing he would do - so he can't be
> (automatically) tracked (by unnamed nasties) as he explains it - than I
> would consider it to be his peculiarity. Not always handy, but rather
> harmless. The other behaviours he is exhibiting ? Not so much.
>
> And I don't think he's troll - at least not in the definition that he enjoys
> the ruckus he's causing. For instance, he's not jumping at stuff a true
> (malicious or not) troll would have a field day with, goading his opponents
> even further.
>
> Besides, a troll normaly ends with (good-humoured or not) telling/showing
> his opponent(s) how they fell for their goading. Instead arlen here just
> "fades away".

We would have to discuss types of trolls :-)
I'm not an expert on that.

He claims that he can be found by inspecting his headers and that I'm
stupid for not finding him fast. Is that true, is there a header that
gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]

[About 'Arlen':]

> He claims that he can be found by inspecting his headers and that I'm
> stupid for not finding him fast. Is that true, is there a header that
> gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?

He changes his story/excuses over the years, but for quite some time
he has been claiming that it should be evident from the *body* (not the
headers) that it's him and that anyone who can not do that within one or
two posts is stupid, etc..

Of course that argument is invalid and also invalidates most other
claims/arguments he makes about his so-called "tutorials".

Identifying him via the headers of his posts is not practical. The
only common factor is that he mostly uses news servers which are
considered more or less rogue, but other people are also using those
servers.

That leaves us with identifying his hundred or so nyms one-by-one and
putting them in our (software or/and mental) filters.

On 14.01.25 13:17, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-14 11:41:
>
>> On 13.01.25 18:15, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-13 09:00, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 11.01.25 18:32, Marion wrote:
>>>>> Jesus Christ Carlos.
>>>>>
>>>>> What value did you add to this thread that had any semblance of topic?
>>>>> All you can do is insult people by calling them trolls.
>>>>
>>>> Arlen, you are a Troll. Another brain dead identity. Using a girl's name
>>>> increases your suvrvivablity? *ROTFLSTC*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Now be fair!
>>>
>>> "Marion" is a name that is occasionally seen for males.
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_(given_name)>
>>
>> Hardly ever.
>
> See that page:

that proves exactly nothing against *millions of female Marions*

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)