Good day.

I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

Thanks.

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B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

https://discussions.apple.com/welcome

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:

> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.

>
> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>

So you don't need to go there.
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On 21.12.24 03:50, B00ze wrote:
> If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

No. You do not need it.

Before you consider to switch to iOS you should dive into the philosophy
of the Apple universe.

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Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>
>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>
> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>
>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>
> So you don't need to go there.

Apple likes their walled garden. The article below mentions iTunes.
The OP didn't mention his PC's OS. iTunes runs on Windows. Maybe runs
under WINE on Linux. By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
media folders, or to all folders. Never bothered with anything Apple.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:

> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>
>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>
>> So you don't need to go there.
>
> Apple likes their walled garden. The article below mentions iTunes.
> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS. iTunes runs on Windows. Maybe runs
> under WINE on Linux. By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
> media folders, or to all folders. Never bothered with anything Apple.
>
> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios

Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.

But forget iTunes.
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On 21.12.24 10:51, VanguardLH wrote:
> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>
>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>
>> So you don't need to go there.
>
> Apple likes their walled garden. The article below mentions iTunes.
> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS. iTunes runs on Windows. Maybe runs
> under WINE on Linux. By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
> media folders, or to all folders. Never bothered with anything Apple.

Why are you spreading nonsense then? Same here with your nonsense in the
Thunderbird-group.

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B00ze wrote:
> Good day.
>
> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>
> Thanks.
>

I've been backing up iPads to Windows PCs for years, using iTunes.
The program is heavy and cluttered, but it does work and it gives me
access to all the books, pictures, videos etc. on the Pad.

I tried out a few other apps, such as iBrowse, but they promised more
than they delivered. And then I found out that they simply browsed the
Windows files created by iTunes. Sneaky devils!

Ed

On 21.12.24 12:18, Dave Royal wrote:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>
>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>
>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>>
>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>>
>>> So you don't need to go there.
>>
>> Apple likes their walled garden. The article below mentions iTunes.
>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS. iTunes runs on Windows. Maybe runs
>> under WINE on Linux. By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>> media folders, or to all folders. Never bothered with anything Apple.
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
>
> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
> So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
> iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
> the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
> apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
> service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.

Total nonsense. No reasonable person would do this. You can try but it
is only for people with a lot of spare time.

> But forget iTunes.

iTunes does not exist in the Apple world any more for years now.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On 21.12.24 12:25, Ed Cryer wrote:
> B00ze wrote:
>> Good day.
>>
>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> I've been backing up iPads to Windows PCs for years, using iTunes.
> The program is heavy and cluttered, but it does work and it gives me
> access to all the books, pictures, videos etc. on the Pad.

My goodness! These things are backed up to the iCloud.

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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> Wrote in message:

> On 21.12.24 12:18, Dave Royal wrote:
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>>
>>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>>>
>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>>>
>>>> So you don't need to go there.
>>>
>>> Apple likes their walled garden. The article below mentions iTunes.
>>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS. iTunes runs on Windows. Maybe runs
>>> under WINE on Linux. By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>>> media folders, or to all folders. Never bothered with anything Apple.
>>>
>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
>>
>> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
>> So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
>> iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
>> the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
>> apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
>> service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.
>
> Total nonsense. No reasonable person would do this. You can try but it
> is only for people with a lot of spare time.
>

You're right: normal iPhone users would not do it. I mentioned it
because it's the nearest equivalent to transferring (non-camera)
files from an Android to a PC via USB. And I only do it to get
certain files onto or off my iPhone without using a cloud service
- iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Using a cloud service is the easy way to
do it.

Several iOS apps have FTP functions built it, such as my media
player, foobar2000.

>> But forget iTunes.
>
> iTunes does not exist in the Apple world any more for years now.
>

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B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Good day.
>
> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

iPhones don't have a filesystem.

Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.

The way iOS works is it's very app-centric. Apps own their own buckets of
data which only they can see. The way to move things between apps is the
'Share' function, rather than app B opening a file saved by app A.

Of course files do exist outside the iOS world, so places like Photos,
Videos, Music and Downloads have some kind of specialness in that apps can
ask to open files from there (not generically - a photo app can't see
Music). But apps can't open files from other random places, and especially
not files in the buckets belonging to other apps.

Eventually this idea of files being bound to apps became untenable so Apple
introduced the Files app which can see the files in app buckets that apps
expose to the user. eg if the user exports something as a file then it
appears in that app's bucket in the Files app. Many apps don't use this.

USB is no different, it only gets this kind of filtered view - I think it
only exposes media via MTP by default. You also have to allow access on the
phone and unlock it.

The way to get full USB access is as a *backup*, not as file transfer
(commonly called an 'iTunes backup' although in MacOS it's now in the Finder
not the iTunes app). That's a special Apple protocol and lands with you
getting a full dump of the data from the phone - there are various third
party apps to pick through unencrypted backup files and extract various
things from it, like SMS chat logs. This is not very convenient for
transferring a few files.

If you have a Mac there's AirDrop, where you can 'share' things directly
from apps on the iPhone to the Mac, but if you're not on a Mac then you have
to use something else. That's where these third party 'sharing' or
'fileserver' apps come in.

(there's a lot of philosophy here, so some people will say if your using USB
you're doing it wrong - wifi needs no cables, can be quicker than a USB 2.0
Lightning connector, can be more reliable, etc. For casual usage they're
maybe right, but USB has its uses too)

Theo

On 2024-12-21 13:47, Dave Royal wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> Wrote in message:
>
>> On 21.12.24 12:18, Dave Royal wrote:
>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>>>>
>>>>> So you don't need to go there.
>>>>
>>>> Apple likes their walled garden. The article below mentions iTunes.
>>>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS. iTunes runs on Windows. Maybe runs
>>>> under WINE on Linux. By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>>>> media folders, or to all folders. Never bothered with anything Apple.
>>>>
>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
>>>
>>> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
>>> So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
>>> iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
>>> the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
>>> apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
>>> service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.
>>
>> Total nonsense. No reasonable person would do this. You can try but it
>> is only for people with a lot of spare time.
>>
>
> You're right: normal iPhone users would not do it. I mentioned it
> because it's the nearest equivalent to transferring (non-camera)
> files from an Android to a PC via USB. And I only do it to get
> certain files onto or off my iPhone without using a cloud service
> - iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Using a cloud service is the easy way to
> do it.
>
> Several iOS apps have FTP functions built it, such as my media
> player, foobar2000.

So, you can not simply connect an USB cable to phone and computer and
the explorer pops up and handle the copy of any file in any direction?

How weird.

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On 2024-12-21 13:52, Theo wrote:
> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Good day.
>>
>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>
> iPhones don't have a filesystem.
>
> Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
>

....

....

Thank you for the summary. Weird world.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 21.12.24 14:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-21 13:52, Theo wrote:
>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Good day.
>>>
>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>
>> iPhones don't have a filesystem.
>>
>> Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
>>
>
> ...
>
> ...
>
> Thank you for the summary. Weird world.

You got stuck in the past. Around the turn of the century.

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Carlos E.R. wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:10:56 +0100 :

>> J�rg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> On 21.12.24 12:18, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you don't need to go there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple likes their walled garden. The article below mentions iTunes.
>>>>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS. iTunes runs on Windows. Maybe runs
>>>>> under WINE on Linux. By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>>>>> media folders, or to all folders. Never bothered with anything Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
>>>>
>>>> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
>>>> So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
>>>> iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
>>>> the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
>>>> apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
>>>> service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.
>>>
>>> Total nonsense. No reasonable person would do this. You can try but it
>>> is only for people with a lot of spare time.
>>>
>>
>> You're right: normal iPhone users would not do it. I mentioned it
>> because it's the nearest equivalent to transferring (non-camera)
>> files from an Android to a PC via USB. And I only do it to get
>> certain files onto or off my iPhone without using a cloud service
>> - iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Using a cloud service is the easy way to
>> do it.
>>
>> Several iOS apps have FTP functions built it, such as my media
>> player, foobar2000.
>
> So, you can not simply connect an USB cable to phone and computer and
> the explorer pops up and handle the copy of any file in any direction?
>
> How weird.

For the Android team to know (based on years of experience with iOS)...

As you're all well aware, I own plenty of Windows, iOS & Android devices.
And I don't use the cloud for anything - so I use USB & Wi-Fi file xfers.

I concur with all that said prior to this point in this thread (except
anything the moron Joerg Lorenz or Alan Baker ever says, both of whom are
in my killfile which has fewer than a dozen people in it for decades on
Usenet - they're that worthless) that Apple makes bidirectional file
transfer inordinately difficult - particularly for putting media onto the
Apple device - which can't be done directly.

Worse - if you add the iTunes abomination to Windows, you're subject to
multiple zero-day holes as Apple's support has been historically terrible.

However, if you dual boot your PC to Ubuntu, if you know a few very
delicate tricks not widely known, you can get limited bidirectional USB
file transfer due to the Linux iFuse implementation Windows lacks.

Why Windows lacks iFuse is a mystery to me only those more knowledgeable
than I am can answer for the team, as iFuse is what Windows needs for this.

<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is nothing useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu iFuse is just magical
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is a dumb brick on Windows
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS is only DCIM & only 1-way
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Linux, win10 & iOS together
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> ditch itunes abomination

Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>
>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>
>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>>
>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>>
>>> So you don't need to go there.
>>
>> Apple likes their walled garden. The article below mentions iTunes.
>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS. iTunes runs on Windows. Maybe runs
>> under WINE on Linux. By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>> media folders, or to all folders. Never bothered with anything Apple.
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
>
> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
> So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
> iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
> the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
> apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
> service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.
>
> But forget iTunes.

I see they also mentioned using their cloud service, iCloud, to transfer
files. I've used Onedrive on my Android phone and desktop PC to
transfer files, but it is slow. Since the phone has Android, it comes
with Google Drive which I also on my desktop PC, too. I also have a
Dropbox account, but only used it to share small files. My bandwidth is
asymmetric: upstream speed is a LOT slower (22 times slower) than
downstream. Plus, the sync clients are designed to throttle themselves
to reduce impact on net traffic. A USB cable is a lot faster, and a lot
less hassle, but not on an iPhone.

There are apps for both Android and Windows that use the local wi-fi to
transfer files; e.g., LocalSend. Google came out with their Quick Share
(renamed from Nearby Share) app for Android and Windows. Requires
Windows 10 x64, or later.

https://blog.google/products/android/nearby-share-windows-android/
https://www.android.com/better-together/quick-share-app/

No Internet is involved. No external servers are involved. Just wi-fi
transfer between devices. The 2nd article says Quick Share is already
installed on Android 6+, but I've not seen it. Says I have to setup
"device visibility" in my Google account (for the phone and desktop to
see each other). I've not yet tried local wi-fi file transfer since the
USB cable is so easy for local transfer. For remote file transfer,
there are the slow cloud services.

Ed Cryer wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:25:16 +0000 :

> I've been backing up iPads to Windows PCs for years, using iTunes.
> The program is heavy and cluttered, but it does work and it gives me
> access to all the books, pictures, videos etc. on the Pad.
>
> I tried out a few other apps, such as iBrowse, but they promised more
> than they delivered. And then I found out that they simply browsed the
> Windows files created by iTunes. Sneaky devils!

Ed Cryer is correct, however the installation of Windows iTunes
historically has been considered the canonical example of bloatware.
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-unofficial-guide-to-installing-itunes-10-without-bloatware/>

Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-bloat/>

The Windows iTunes is poorly supported by Apple so it's also generally
considered an example of unnecessary tools which add zero-day holes.
<https://cybersecuritynews.com/itunes-0-day-privilege-escalation-windows/>

The existence of so many 0-day holes shows Apple has never tested iTunes.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=window+itunes+security+zero-day>

Worse, when you add iTunes, you actually *reduce* Windows' functionality!
<https://i.postimg.cc/MT0CxMbZ/ipod007.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/rsj2G0KZ/ipod006.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/7hwyTMYT/ipod005.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/25LmpSK3/ipod004.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/RZF4RR17/ipod003.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/hPMKTwm4/ipod002.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/jdRsWKLk/ipod001.jpg>

Still, I have as many iOS devices (along with Windows & Android) as anyone
does, so you just have to live with the fact Apple hates interoperability.

Andrew wrote:

>
> Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
> <https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-
> bloat/>
>

Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10.
I'm on 12 +++

Ed

On 2024-12-21 10:37, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
>> <https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-
>> bloat/>
>>
>
> Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10.
> I'm on 12 +++
Arlen (Andrew) isn't much interested in facts.

Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 21.12.24 14:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-12-21 13:52, Theo wrote:
>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Good day.
>>>>
>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>
>>> iPhones don't have a filesystem.
>>>
>>> Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
>>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Thank you for the summary. Weird world.
>
> You got stuck in the past. Around the turn of the century.
>
>
A lot of people jail-break their iPads; but millions don't. They don't
know how to; or don't have the time to learn; or, perhaps, can put up
with the prison shadow while they enjoy the benefits of the Pads.
And Apple, of course, say they're protecting the innocent layman from
the machinations of the criminal hackers.
A moral dilemma. Whose side are you on?
Ed

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-21 10:37, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
>>> <https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-
>>> bloat/>
>>>
>>
>> Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10.
>> I'm on 12 +++
> Arlen (Andrew) isn't much interested in facts.

Arlen, Arlen, Arlen.
WhoTF is this ghost who wanders the corridors of these newsgroups like
Hamlet's father around the walls of Elsinore castle?
It used to be trolls; anyone either rather aggressive or possessed of an
intellect that could enquire beyond the superficial ordinariness of
life. But now it's Arlen.

Ed

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
[...]

> There are apps for both Android and Windows that use the local wi-fi to
> transfer files; e.g., LocalSend. Google came out with their Quick Share
> (renamed from Nearby Share) app for Android and Windows. Requires
> Windows 10 x64, or later.
>
> https://blog.google/products/android/nearby-share-windows-android/
> https://www.android.com/better-together/quick-share-app/
>
> No Internet is involved. No external servers are involved. Just wi-fi
> transfer between devices. The 2nd article says Quick Share is already
> installed on Android 6+, but I've not seen it. Says I have to setup
> "device visibility" in my Google account (for the phone and desktop to
> see each other). I've not yet tried local wi-fi file transfer since the
> USB cable is so easy for local transfer. For remote file transfer,
> there are the slow cloud services.

(On my (Samsung Galaxy A51) Android 13 phone,) I don't see Quick Share
as an app on my app pages. I only see it when I select something (file,
folder, etc.) and then tap 'Share'. Then 'Quick Share' is one of the
share options.

On the Windows side, 'Quick Share from Google' is a Windows program
(in C:\Program Files\Google\NearbyShare), not a Windows 'app'.

I use Quick Share if I only have to transfer a single file or a few
files, a folder, etc.. For larger transfers, I use the USB cable.

'Cloud'!? 'Internet'!? What *are* those!?

Ed Cryer wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 18:37:29 +0000 :

> Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10.
> I'm on 12 +++

Your argument against iTunes bloatware that it's "old" bloatware is absurd.
Apple hasn't updated iTunes in years - yet you're still using it today.

If you're using iTunes on Windows (which even Apple has deprecated on Apple
devices), it's still bloatware whether or not it's "old" or new bloatware.

Historically, the canonical example of unneccessary bloat was 'iTunes'.
It literally subtracts functionality (see the images proving that fact).

*The end of the world's infamous bloatware (iTunes) is nigh!*
<https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-end-of-the-worlds-infamous-bloatware-(itunes)-is-nigh!/>

Theo wrote on 21 Dec 2024 12:52:51 +0000 (GMT) :

>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>
> iPhones don't have a filesystem.
>
> Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
>
> The way iOS works is it's very app-centric. Apps own their own buckets of
> data which only they can see. The way to move things between apps is the
> 'Share' function, rather than app B opening a file saved by app A.
>
> Of course files do exist outside the iOS world, so places like Photos,
> Videos, Music and Downloads have some kind of specialness in that apps can
> ask to open files from there (not generically - a photo app can't see
> Music). But apps can't open files from other random places, and especially
> not files in the buckets belonging to other apps.

Has anyone here ever *seen* the iOS DCIM file system organization?
*If not, you're in for a big surprise!*

Files all over the place, in almost randomly named folders (such as
_201901) with randomly named image file names (such as IMG1234.JPG).
<https://i.postimg.cc/PJ4hWyS0/Apple-Iphone.jpg>

No other operating system refuses to allow you to name your image files.
Just Apple.

Meanwhile, every other operating system (except Apple's) allows the user to
define how they want photo images to be named (using a sensible convention)
<https://i.postimg.cc/zfgrt8dC/Samsung.jpg>

Some day Apple will care about the consumer.
But that day hasn't arrived yet.