When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?

micky wrote:

> When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
> indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
> can't receive texts?

Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to
text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?

On 03.01.25 14:21, micky wrote:
> When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
> indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
> can't receive texts?

Here fixed lines get SMS. For about 20years now?

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In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:38:34 +0000, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>micky wrote:
>
>> When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
>> indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
>> can't receive texts?
>
>Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to
>text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
>mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?

I don't know. I don't think so. For several years I have beeen the
contact person for the people who plow (plough?) our streets when it
snows. I saw the contract yesterday and it has my landline first, and
my cell number. I'm still living in the 1950's and I envisioned them
calling me on the phone, but now I see they send texts. I got one on
the cell a year ago and another yesterday. I've never gotten any
message from them on my landline, so I wonder if they tried and realized
it wasn't accepting texts and they switched to the other number. --- A
couple weeks ago they came out and salted the roads(not straight salt
but some better concoction) and then it didn't snow at all, but they
charged us 2000 dollars. Because of details in our favor in the
contract, we are refusing to pay. I'm trying to prevent a second
mix-up.

I googled your question and so-called AI says "Yes, US landlines can
accept text messages, but they are not designed to do so by default:

How it works
To receive texts, you need to set up your landline with a text to
landline service. When you send a text to a landline, the service
records your message in a female voice and calls the recipient's phone.
If the recipient answers, they can choose to accept the message. If the
call goes to voicemail, the recording is delivered there."

I use Verizon landline but it's VOIP. VErizon is a very big company
here.

Hmmm. This came up just a couple nights ago also. I'm been sick and
wanted my food delivered. I set that up during the pandemic, and it
worked, but now it's changed and wants to send me a code and it only has
my landline, so I get no code. I can't change the phone number, because
they want to send a text to the original number telling me I'm changing
it. LOL Maybe if I can set up text to landline, I won't have to open
a new account.

OTOH, heres a message from last April:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-can-i-receive-a-text-on-a-landline/0bd1f02d-904e-4585-9a50-1d7b3091e4f6
I'm trying to log in into my account. I had this phone number linked to
my account back in the 2017 or 2018 when I first made it and I could
receive a call. Now I don't know why they removed this option. I just
want to log in back to my account to reset my PIN because I'm receiving
an error message.

Microsoft answers "Landlines are not eligible for verification codes.
The landline is also a landline phone, which can only make and receive
calls, and does not have the function of sending and receiving text
messages." So you seem to know more than they do!

One VErizon page which doesn't say if it's talking about true landline
or voip / FIOS landline says it can be set up and will cost me 25 cents
for each text I get, and I w9ll probably get spam The page also has no
date . How can a responsible company print date dependent information
and not give the date ? I don't know but i see it often .

Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:38:34 +0000, Andy Burns
> <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
> >micky wrote:
> >
> >> When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
> >> indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
> >> can't receive texts?
> >
> >Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to
> >text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
> >mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?
>
> I don't know. I don't think so. For several years I have beeen the
> contact person for the people who plow (plough?) our streets when it
> snows. I saw the contract yesterday and it has my landline first, and
> my cell number. I'm still living in the 1950's and I envisioned them
> calling me on the phone, but now I see they send texts. I got one on
> the cell a year ago and another yesterday. I've never gotten any
> message from them on my landline, so I wonder if they tried and realized
> it wasn't accepting texts and they switched to the other number.

Sigh! As you have a landline, why don't *you* try/test it, instead of
asking here for an impossible to give answer (because it depends on your
and their telco and setups).

If it works for you, it will also work for them, because in that test
your landline telco and their setup is the deciding factor.

If it does not work for you, it doesn't mean it doesn't work for them,
so it's undecided and the only things you can do is ask them to test it
or remove your landline number from their contact list. In most cases,
the 'customer', i.e. you, should be able to do that themselves, but that
depends on how customer-friendly their IT is.

[...]

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> micky wrote:
>
> > When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
> > indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
> > can't receive texts?
>
> Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to
> text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
> mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?

For my setup in The Netherlands (Vodafone mobile, Ziggo VOIP landline
(via cable Internet) it does not work. Landline phone doesn't ring, SMS
on the smartphone silently fails, but is charged by Vodafone :-).

But this of course depends on the telcos and setups at either end, so
I think one can not give a definite answer for a particular country (let
alone worldwide), unless *all* telcos and setups in that country provide
this functionality, which is unlikely, especially in 'civilized'
countries where there are umpteen of telcos and setups.

Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to
>> text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
>> mechanism, or via a robot voice ...
>
> For my setup in The Netherlands (Vodafone mobile, Ziggo VOIP landline
> (via cable Internet) it does not work. Landline phone doesn't ring, SMS
> on the smartphone silently fails, but is charged by Vodafone :-).
I recently converted my PSTN+VDSL service to VDSL-only, which frees up
the PSTN number and can either be dropped, or ported to a VoIP provider.

I sent a text from my mobile (O2/Telefonica) to my VoIP landline,
previously it would arrive as text, because I have a gigaset DECT which
is CLI/SMS compatible, but today it arrived using the fallback robot
voice method.

Trying to send a text from the DECT to mobile did nothing, except return
an error after several minutes.

Not sure if there's a method for SMSoVoIP? Given that T.38 exists for
FAXoVoIP, I presume there's a standard somewhere?

On 1/3/2025 8:21 AM, micky wrote:
> When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
> indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
> can't receive texts?
>

That used to be the case. I use a landline and rarely use my cellphone,
so I don't give out that number. But cellphone addicts assume all phones
are cellphones. Until maybe 2 years ago, they would get a message that
they were trying to text a landline. Then they'd call me. Now they get no
message. They just tell me later that they've been texting me and I
have to rail at them for being an idiot.

I don't know why the change. It can't go through, so why pretend
that it did? It's possible that these people are just not paying attention,
but it's happened to me with multiple people, so I think they're just
getting no feedback.

On 1/3/2025 9:31 AM, micky wrote:

> Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
> suprisingly unsuccessful.
>

There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through? If the sender converts it to voice then
that's a recorded audio message, not a text. You can't convert it
to voice on your end because you can't receive it in the first place.

I've occasionally come across websites that offer an audio
recording for 2FA. The robot voice calls and recites a code. But
even with that, as I recall, they refused to provide the service
once I had an account set up, so I could no longer use my
account! Apparently they thought I was just kidding about not
having a cellphone.

Most people live on their cellphones, so it's highly unlikely that
anyone is going to take the trouble to set up a text-to-speech
conversion just for you. I've found this repeatedly. I fill out a form
giving my home phone, but somehow they record it as my cellphone...
It's got to a point where many people refuse to even understand
the concept of a landline.

Newyana2 wrote:

> micky wrote:
>
>> Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
>> suprisingly unsuccessful.
>
> There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
> even if it did come through?

Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.

On 03.01.25 21:48, Newyana2 wrote:
> There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
> even if it did come through?

I would suggest to check the screen.

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"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 03.01.25 21:52, Andy Burns wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
>
>> micky wrote:
>>
>>> Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
>>> suprisingly unsuccessful.
>>
>> There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
>> even if it did come through?
>
> Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
> when on a PSTN/POTS line.

In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist
anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 2025-01-03 21:48, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/3/2025 9:31 AM, micky wrote:
>
>> Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
>> suprisingly unsuccessful.
>>
>
>  There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
> even if it did come through? If the sender converts it to voice then
> that's a recorded audio message, not a text. You can't convert it
> to voice on your end because you can't receive it in the first place.

Yes, there is such a thing.

The telephone exchange converts the text to machine voice, and then
phones you.

This service depends on the company and the country, and possibly on
contracting the service. It is not universal.

I tried it long ago here (Spain) and quickly disabled it.
I think messages were delivered only at a more or less
fixed hour.

Then, if the landline is actually a true VoIp intelligent phone, it may
also receive texts. There is a display. I don't know if this is done,
but I think it is feasible.

A true VoIp phone is connected to an ethernet cable or to a WiFi, not to
a copper pair. It is a small computer, not a traditional landline dumb
phone.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2025-01-03 21:38, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/3/2025 8:21 AM, micky wrote:
>> When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
>> indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
>> can't receive texts?
>>
>
>   That used to be the case. I use a landline and rarely use my cellphone,
> so I don't give out that number. But cellphone addicts assume all phones
> are cellphones. Until maybe 2 years ago, they would get a message that
> they were trying to text a landline. Then they'd call me. Now they get no
> message. They just tell me later that they've been texting me and I
> have to rail at them for being an idiot.

In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if a
phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american continent.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> On 1/3/2025 9:31 AM, micky wrote:
>
>> Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
>> suprisingly unsuccessful.
>>
>
> There's no such thing.

There certainly is.

> Think it through. Where could the text display
> even if it did come through? If the sender converts it to voice then
> that's a recorded audio message, not a text. You can't convert it
> to voice on your end because you can't receive it in the first place.

Text to speech is trivially easy to accomplish computationally. I had
freeware PC programme in the 90s which did it very well.

In the UK receiving txt messages via landline is (was? I've not had one for
ages) commonplace: texts are delivered as an automated voice message.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-01-03 21:38, Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 1/3/2025 8:21 AM, micky wrote:
>>> When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
>>> indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
>>> can't receive texts?
>>>
>>
>>   That used to be the case. I use a landline and rarely use my cellphone,
>> so I don't give out that number. But cellphone addicts assume all phones
>> are cellphones. Until maybe 2 years ago, they would get a message that
>> they were trying to text a landline. Then they'd call me. Now they get no
>> message. They just tell me later that they've been texting me and I
>> have to rail at them for being an idiot.
>
> In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if a
> phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american continent.
>

Same in the UK. Numbers starting 01/02/03 are landlines and those starting
07 are mobile or other "special" numbers like pagers.

On 1/3/2025 3:52 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
>
>> micky wrote:
>>
>>> Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
>>> suprisingly unsuccessful.
>>
>> There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
>> even if it did come through?
>
> Aren't DECT phone common over there?  Many of them have SMS capability
> when on a PSTN/POTS line.
>

I don't know what DECT or POTS mean. We have landlines
that can be direct phone wires or VOIP. Either way, the
phones are the same. There's room for maybe 12 letter in
the Caller ID display and no facility to receive a text.
They can receive an audio message, but then, who's going
to go to the trouble to sned an audio message when most of
the people they know have texting?

On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:

>> There's no such thing.
>
> There certainly is.

I'm talking about the US.

On 1/3/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if a
> phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american
> continent.
>

That's a good idea. Phone numbers mean almost nothing in
the US anymore. Anyone can get any area code, which is the
first 3 numbers. At this point I no longer pick up for "local"
calls because they're probably not local. If it doesn't show
the name of someone I know then I let the answering
machine get it. Unfortunately, most people with cellphones
have not registered for Caller ID, and I don't store numbers in
my phone. It's not worth the trouble to have speed dialing.
So I only recognize a small number of callers.

On 2025-01-04 02:06, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/3/2025 3:52 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>>> micky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
>>>> suprisingly unsuccessful.
>>>
>>> There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
>>> even if it did come through?
>>
>> Aren't DECT phone common over there?  Many of them have SMS capability
>> when on a PSTN/POTS line.
>>
>
>   I don't know what DECT or POTS mean.

Digital Enhanced Cordless Telecommunications (DECT) is a cordless
telephony standard maintained by ETSI. It originated in Europe, where it
is the common standard, replacing earlier standards, such as CT1 and
CT2. Since the DECT-2020 standard onwards, it also includes IoT
communication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECT

Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS), or Plain Ordinary Telephone
System[1], is a retronym for voice-grade telephone service that employs
analog signal transmission over copper loops. The term POTS originally
stood for Post Office Telephone Service, as early telephone lines in
many regions were operated directly by local Post Offices. For instance,
in New Zealand, the telephone system remained under Post Office control
until the 1980s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_old_telephone_service

The public switched telephone network (PSTN) is the aggregate of the
world's telephone networks that are operated by national, regional, or
local telephony operators. It provides infrastructure and services for
public telephony. The PSTN consists of telephone lines, fiber-optic
cables, microwave transmission links, cellular networks, communications
satellites, and undersea telephone cables interconnected by switching
centers, such as central offices, network tandems, and international
gateways, which allow telephone users to communicate with each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_switched_telephone_network

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2025-01-04 02:11, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/3/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if
>> a phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american
>> continent.
>>
>
>   That's a good idea. Phone numbers mean almost nothing in
> the US anymore. Anyone can get any area code, which is the
> first 3 numbers. At this point I no longer pick up for "local"
> calls because they're probably not local. If it doesn't show
> the name of someone I know then I let the answering
> machine get it. Unfortunately, most people with cellphones
> have not registered for Caller ID, and I don't store numbers in
> my phone. It's not worth the trouble to have speed dialing.
> So I only recognize a small number of callers.

The registering for Caller ID is an NA feature, it doesn't exist in
other countries. Here you only get the number. The names are local to
your terminal.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2025-01-04 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
>
>>>   There's no such thing.
>>
>> There certainly is.
>
> I'm talking about the US.

Is that in the third world, a disadvantaged country? (SCNR)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 04.01.25 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
>
>>> There's no such thing.
>>
>> There certainly is.
>
> I'm talking about the US.

As far as state of the art telecom services are concerned, they are one
or two decades behind Europe. Not only with fixed line services.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 04.01.25 02:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-01-04 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
>>
>>>>   There's no such thing.
>>>
>>> There certainly is.
>>
>> I'm talking about the US.
>
> Is that in the third world, a disadvantaged country? (SCNR)

No doubt about that. *SCNR* either.

--
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On 03.01.25 23:37, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if a
>> phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american continent.
>>
>
> Same in the UK. Numbers starting 01/02/03 are landlines and those starting
> 07 are mobile or other "special" numbers like pagers.

That is the rule all over Europe. The first three digits allow a
judgement which operator is used. Unfortunately the number portability
is diluting that more and more.

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