https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-messages-not-pre-installed-galaxy-phones-usa/

Samsung has been shipping its Galaxy phones and tablets with its in-house
Messages app for years, but the company has stopped doing that recently in
some markets. The Samsung Messages app no longer comes pre-installed on the
company's new smartphones, at least in the USA.

The writing has been on the wall for this move since 2022 when Samsung
started shipping its phones with Google Messages as the default messaging
app in some regions. While the company shipped its phones with Samsung
Messages pre-installed, it wasn't the default messaging option. This was
around the same time Google started focusing on RCS.

Even though Samsung Messages supports RCS, the South Korean firm is pushing
the Google Messages app to its users. Google might have made a deal with
Android OEMs, including Samsung, to push Google Messages as the default
messaging app on their phones and tablets for consistency and improving
RCS.

Am 21.07.24 um 19:50 schrieb Harry S Robins:
> https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-messages-not-pre-installed-galaxy-phones-usa/
>
> Samsung has been shipping its Galaxy phones and tablets with its in-house
> Messages app for years, but the company has stopped doing that recently in
> some markets. The Samsung Messages app no longer comes pre-installed on the
> company's new smartphones, at least in the USA.
>
> The writing has been on the wall for this move since 2022 when Samsung
> started shipping its phones with Google Messages as the default messaging
> app in some regions. While the company shipped its phones with Samsung
> Messages pre-installed, it wasn't the default messaging option. This was
> around the same time Google started focusing on RCS.
>
> Even though Samsung Messages supports RCS, the South Korean firm is pushing
> the Google Messages app to its users. Google might have made a deal with
> Android OEMs, including Samsung, to push Google Messages as the default
> messaging app on their phones and tablets for consistency and improving
> RCS.

Nobody needs RCS. RCS is a stillbirth.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:50:13 -0500, Harry S Robins
<stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> wrote:

>https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-messages-not-pre-installed-galaxy-phones-usa/
>
>Samsung has been shipping its Galaxy phones and tablets with its in-house
>Messages app for years, but the company has stopped doing that recently in
>some markets. The Samsung Messages app no longer comes pre-installed on the
>company's new smartphones, at least in the USA.
>
>The writing has been on the wall for this move since 2022 when Samsung
>started shipping its phones with Google Messages as the default messaging
>app in some regions. While the company shipped its phones with Samsung
>Messages pre-installed, it wasn't the default messaging option. This was
>around the same time Google started focusing on RCS.

I have a coule of Samsung phones (one smart, the other not) and I
assumed they used the same messaging system to use the provider's SMS,
which one has to pray for.

Are you talking about that, or something else -- messages over the
Internet, like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram and others?

Or like Blackberry, which used to have their own proprietary messaging
service?

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Steve Hayes wrote:

> Are you talking about that, or something else -- messages over the
> Internet, like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram and others?

Yes, that's how RCS works (either in Google Messages or Samsung Messages
and soon on Apple) but without needing an additional account, it uses
your phone number as ID, has fallback to SMS if your correspondent isn't
reachable by RCS.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 07:16:11 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> Are you talking about that, or something else -- messages over the
>> Internet, like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram and others?
>
>Yes, that's how RCS works (either in Google Messages or Samsung Messages
>and soon on Apple) but without needing an additional account, it uses
>your phone number as ID, has fallback to SMS if your correspondent isn't
>reachable by RCS.

Ok, I'm not sure what RCS is, or what it stands for. I'll have to look
it up.

And does it mean that if your correspondent is reachable by RCS there
will be no SMS charge? I must look at my Samsung smart phone to see if
I can get it to work.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Steve Hayes wrote:

> I'm not sure what RCS is, or what it stands for. I'll have to look
> it up.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services>

> And does it mean that if your correspondent is reachable by RCS there
> will be no SMS charge?

Yes, is it common to be charged for SMS in South Africa, or do you get
inclusive message bundles like elsewhere?

I must look at my Samsung smart phone to see if
> I can get it to work.

Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or
(increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you
should be able to enable it within your messages app.

On 22.7.24 7:16 am, Andy Burns wrote:
> Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> Are you talking about that, or something else -- messages over the
>> Internet, like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram and others?
>
> Yes, that's how RCS works (either in Google Messages or Samsung Messages
> and soon on Apple) but without needing an additional account, it uses
> your phone number as ID, has fallback to SMS if your correspondent isn't
> reachable by RCS.

If a message is sent with, say, a photo attached/included, does it
trigger an extra cash charge from the average service provider like an
MMS message? I haven't really seen a definitive answer on the topic, so
I assumed it would do so and changed my message program from Google
Messages to Spamhound, which only does SMS. I use Whatsapp over WiFi for
anything fancy, so the old age pension stretches a bit further.

--
Tetbury, Gloucestershire , UK

The saddest fact of life: Bread, Chips and Coffee never taste as good as
they smell when passing the shop.

Bob Henson wrote:

> If a message is sent with, say, a photo attached/included, does it
> trigger an extra cash charge from the average service provider

With RCS?

Nothing is chargeable ever, national/international, with/without
attachments ...

Andy Burns wrote:

> Bob Henson wrote:
>
>> If a message is sent with, say, a photo attached/included, does it
>> trigger an extra cash charge from the average service provider
>
> With RCS?
>
> Nothing is chargeable ever

If it's over your own wifi. If it's over mobile data no doubt it eats
into your data allowance, small messages will hardly be noticeable, huge
attachments may be ... so depends on your contract, but no per-message
charge.

On 22.7.24 10:55 am, Andy Burns wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Bob Henson wrote:
>>
>>> If a message is sent with, say, a photo attached/included, does it
>>> trigger an extra cash charge from the average service provider
>>
>> With RCS?
>>
>> Nothing is chargeable ever
>
> If it's over your own wifi. If it's over mobile data no doubt it eats
> into your data allowance, small messages will hardly be noticeable, huge
> attachments may be ... so depends on your contract, but no per-message
> charge.
>

I might well return to Google Messages then to save the extra app space.
I understand messages it also handles spam now so it should do fine.
Having been caught out by accidentally sent MMS charges before I was
keen to avoid repetition. Thanks for the gen.

--
Tetbury, Gloucestershire , UK

The saddest fact of life: Bread, Chips and Coffee never taste as good as
they smell when passing the shop.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

> Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> Are you talking about that, or something else -- messages over the
>> Internet, like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram and others?
>
> Yes, that's how RCS works (either in Google Messages or Samsung
> Messages and soon on Apple) but without needing an additional account,
> it uses your phone number as ID, has fallback to SMS if your
> correspondent isn't reachable by RCS.

I came across this:

https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/dma-notice-non-users

I am on Signal but I haven't tried it, I am not sure I would know how.

Richmond wrote:

> I came across this:
> https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/dma-notice-non-users
>
> I am on Signal but I haven't tried it, I am not sure I would know how.

I haven't heard that WhatsApp have implemented an RCS gateway yet?

I was under the impression that one of Signal or Telegram (can't
remember which) was going to withdraw from providing services within the
EU if they were forced to comply?

Andy Burns wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 08:11:37 +0100 :

>> I can get it to work.
>
> Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or
> (increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you
> should be able to enable it within your messages app.

Hi Andy,
Does this mean that RCS does NOT require an Internet login/passwd?

What about MLS?

Bob Henson wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 11:08:42 +0100 :

>> If it's over your own wifi. If it's over mobile data no doubt it eats
>> into your data allowance, small messages will hardly be noticeable, huge
>> attachments may be ... so depends on your contract, but no per-message
>> charge.
>>
>
> I might well return to Google Messages then to save the extra app space.
> I understand messages it also handles spam now so it should do fine.
> Having been caught out by accidentally sent MMS charges before I was
> keen to avoid repetition. Thanks for the gen.

In addition, when switching apps, just so that people are aware...

In the past, on this newsgroup, I tested & listed every free SMS/MMS app.
In doing so, I had to switch from one default messaging app to another.

Most people don't seem to realize they can change the default messaging app
at will, and they will NOT lose any messages by doing so.

The only thing you might lose is if you add stuff to the messaging app.
For exmaple, PulseSMS allows you to give group names & group colors.

When you switch from PulseSMS to something else as the default messaging
app, those group names and group colors may be lost since they're not kept
in the Android default messaging sqlite database.

But the SMS/MMS messages and MMS media is maintained in that sqlite db.

Andrew wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 08:11:37 +0100 :
>
>> Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or
>> (increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you
>> should be able to enable it within your messages app.
>
> Does this mean that RCS does NOT require an Internet login/passwd?

that's right it uses your SIM to authenticate

> What about MLS?

that's just a M:M encryption protocol, rather than a messaging system,
isn't it? Don't know ...

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

> Richmond wrote:
>
>> I came across this:
>> https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/dma-notice-non-users
>> I am on Signal but I haven't tried it, I am not sure I would know
>> how.
>
> I haven't heard that WhatsApp have implemented an RCS gateway yet?
>
> I was under the impression that one of Signal or Telegram (can't
> remember which) was going to withdraw from providing services within
> the EU if they were forced to comply?

I thought that was to do with End to End and snooping. This is about
Whatsapp having a monopoly. I don't think it would apply to RCS as there
are a number of apps which can provide it. I was just thinking that if
Signal and other messengers could link to Whatsapp then there wouldn't
be much need for RCS.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 08:11:37 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what RCS is, or what it stands for. I'll have to look
>> it up.
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services>
>
>> And does it mean that if your correspondent is reachable by RCS there
>> will be no SMS charge?
>
>Yes, is it common to be charged for SMS in South Africa, or do you get
>inclusive message bundles like elsewhere?

That depends on the kind of arrangement you have with the service
provider. On a pay as you go account you can buy air time in bundles
of so many minutes of voice callss, or SMSs in bun gles of multiples
of 15, but the bundles expire after a month. Ordinary voice air time
does not expire, but if you use that for SMSs it is more expensive.

>I must look at my Samsung smart phone to see if
>> I can get it to work.
>
>Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or
>(increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you
>should be able to enable it within your messages app.

If mine has such a server, I have no idea how to use it.

I use my Samsung dumb phone for SMSs, because it makes it easier to
send messages to groups than Android.

I have a Samsung smartphone (with a different provider), which I use
for voice calls and Internet stuff.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Steve Hayes wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or
>> (increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you
>> should be able to enable it within your messages app.
>
> If mine has such a server, I have no idea how to use it.

I can't speak about Samsung Messages, but for Google Messages

open the app,

be on the conversations summary screen, not a specific conversation

click on my avatar at top/right

messages settings

RCS Chats

turn on

it shows my SIM with a green "connected" status

hopefully samsung is similar, or you could try installing google messages?

> I use my Samsung dumb phone for SMSs, because it makes it easier to
> send messages to groups than Android.

RCS handles groups, without converting them to MMS, which is expensive
in the UK

> I have a Samsung smartphone (with a different provider), which I use
> for voice calls and Internet stuff.
>
>
>
>

On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:19:08 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or
>>> (increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you
>>> should be able to enable it within your messages app.
>>
>> If mine has such a server, I have no idea how to use it.
>
>I can't speak about Samsung Messages, but for Google Messages
>
>open the app,

On my phone, if I open the Google app, it gives me news, nothing about
messages.

>
>be on the conversations summary screen, not a specific conversation
>
>click on my avatar at top/right
>
>messages settings
>
>RCS Chats
>
>turn on
>
>it shows my SIM with a green "connected" status
>
>hopefully samsung is similar, or you could try installing google messages?

Oh, does it have to be installed separately? I've got no room for any
more apps on my phone, and it keeps wanting to zip or remove the ones
I do have. I use Signal as a messaging app, apart from the built-in
SMS one.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On ons, 2024/07/24 at 07:45:42 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:19:08 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Steve Hayes wrote:
> >
> >> Andy Burns wrote:
> >>
> >
> >I can't speak about Samsung Messages, but for Google Messages
> >
> >open the app,
>
> On my phone, if I open the Google app, it gives me news, nothing about
> messages.

Different app.

You have the "Google" app, with the 'G' on it, and that is the news
aggregator. Then you have the "Google Messages" app, with a blue
speech-bubble as the icon.

--
Kind regards,

/S

Steve Hayes wrote:

> On my phone, if I open the Google app, it gives me news, nothing about
> messages.

Not the "Google" app, but the "Google Messages" app,
full name "com.google.android.apps.messaging"

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.messaging>

On 22.7.24 3:26 pm, Andrew wrote:
> Bob Henson wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 11:08:42 +0100 :
>
>>> If it's over your own wifi. If it's over mobile data no doubt it eats
>>> into your data allowance, small messages will hardly be noticeable, huge
>>> attachments may be ... so depends on your contract, but no per-message
>>> charge.
>>>
>>
>> I might well return to Google Messages then to save the extra app space.
>> I understand messages it also handles spam now so it should do fine.
>> Having been caught out by accidentally sent MMS charges before I was
>> keen to avoid repetition. Thanks for the gen.
>
> In addition, when switching apps, just so that people are aware...
>
> In the past, on this newsgroup, I tested & listed every free SMS/MMS app.
> In doing so, I had to switch from one default messaging app to another.
>
> Most people don't seem to realize they can change the default messaging app
> at will, and they will NOT lose any messages by doing so.
>
> The only thing you might lose is if you add stuff to the messaging app.
> For exmaple, PulseSMS allows you to give group names & group colors.
>
> When you switch from PulseSMS to something else as the default messaging
> app, those group names and group colors may be lost since they're not kept
> in the Android default messaging sqlite database.
>
> But the SMS/MMS messages and MMS media is maintained in that sqlite db.

Luckily, I always deal with messages at once and then delete them, so I
had nothing really to lose anyway. Switching from SpamHound did lose the
messages that I had manually marked as spam and that were in
SpamHounds's spam trap directory - but that is no big deal, especially
as they are probably known to Google's spam trapping anyway.

I did actually gain one thing - I found that I could link my phone and
add Google Messages to my desktop and hence use my full size keyboard to
send SMS messages. With my big hands and Carpal Tunnel syndrome, that
was worth the change alone.

--
Tetbury, Gloucestershire , UK

The saddest fact of life: Bread, Chips and Coffee never taste as good as
they smell when passing the shop.

Andy Burns wrote on Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:06:35 +0100 :

>> On my phone, if I open the Google app, it gives me news, nothing about
>> messages.
>
> Not the "Google" app, but the "Google Messages" app,
> full name "com.google.android.apps.messaging"
>
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.messaging>

I was gonna give Steve Hayes the equivalent Samsung Messages app,
but it's not as easily found as I would have thought it would be.
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=samsung%20messages%20app&c=apps>

On my system, the app package name is <com.samsung.android.messaging>.
Version 14.5.20.10 (1452000010)

Although my messaging app of choice is <xyz.klinker.messenger>
Version 5.4.6.2816 (2816)

Bob Henson wrote on Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:46:13 +0100 :

> I did actually gain one thing - I found that I could link my phone and
> add Google Messages to my desktop and hence use my full size keyboard to
> send SMS messages. With my big hands and Carpal Tunnel syndrome, that
> was worth the change alone.

For years, my phone is mirrored on my PC at almost two feet tall.

If I'm home sitting at my desk, whether the phone is on Wi-Fi or USB, I
operate it completely using the PC keyboard, mouse, speakers & clipboard.

<https://i.postimg.cc/N0G1TXcZ/scrcpy01.jpg> Mirror Android on any PC
<https://i.postimg.cc/tTmdgKTB/scrcpy02.jpg> An efficient program setup
<https://i.postimg.cc/Vvrq0K0m/scrcpy03.jpg> The efficient setup explained
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y00vx4yp/scrcpy04.jpg> Extraneous cmd window (&)
<https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows
<https://i.postimg.cc/Sx1hgWmY/scrcpy06.jpg> Press two hardware buttons
<https://i.postimg.cc/hjkVFyqJ/scrcpy07.jpg> Android mnt as drive letter
<https://i.postimg.cc/nV6K0Cfn/scrcpy08.jpg> CMD test of showwin.bat
<https://i.postimg.cc/66Gn2t2g/scrcpy09.jpg> REG test of showwin.bat
<https://i.postimg.cc/fyWw2nXh/scrcpy10.jpg> The console came up :(
<https://i.postimg.cc/7LWJhWxq/scrcpy11.jpg> Shortcut test of showwin.lnk
<https://i.postimg.cc/yYKNnHxD/scrcpy12.jpg> REG test of showwin.lnk
<https://i.postimg.cc/CxXH6N2r/scrcpy13.jpg> No scrcpy console window!
<https://i.postimg.cc/XqZsmVFM/scrcpy14.jpg> AppPath & shortcut TARGET
<https://i.postimg.cc/g2yNftw0/scrcpy15.jpg> Trick to pin batch shortcut
<https://i.postimg.cc/5NrK7jtg/scrcpy16.jpg> powershell hide-console trick
<https://i.postimg.cc/bvRXdbxg/scrcpy17.jpg> AutoIT & IFFT & Automate
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y93b1z0n/scrcpy18.jpg> Free Automation APKs
<https://i.postimg.cc/3R6nTz7s/scrcpy19.jpg> Start /b TARGET fails :(
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9jbTtcN/scrcpy20.jpg> Start /b as a CMD works! :)
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: === Android
<https://i.postimg.cc/c4Wq5x9j/scrcpy22.jpg> Vysor IP address option
<https://i.postimg.cc/mrz6gJpC/scrcpy23.jpg> Android SMS/MMS on Windows
<https://i.postimg.cc/Hnw59ZHm/scrcpy24.jpg> Compare Vysor to scrcpy
<https://i.postimg.cc/tgvzsMRm/scrcpy25.jpg> Connect over Wi-Fi sans USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/Dz1rcpDX/scrcpy26.jpg> Windows Update locks ports
<https://i.postimg.cc/25XrGW9R/scrcpy27.jpg> Nobody can find locked ports
<https://i.postimg.cc/pdyTjwnT/scrcpy28.jpg> Android assigns random ports
<https://i.postimg.cc/Hs1ZZ5H0/scrcpy29.jpg> net stop hns & net start hns
<https://i.postimg.cc/WbpYsfqg/scrcpy30.jpg> Windows Update is the problem
<https://i.postimg.cc/KvTvtMS8/scrcpy31.jpg> HNS stop/start solution
<https://i.postimg.cc/zGNNXftK/scrcpy32.jpg> ADB port errors creep up
<https://i.postimg.cc/pr8NPNKs/scrcpy33.jpg> sndcpy is the default now
<https://i.postimg.cc/hjj3tFR9/scrcpy34.jpg> Manage Android from Windows

On 24.7.24 11:44 am, Andrew wrote:
> Bob Henson wrote on Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:46:13 +0100 :
>
>> I did actually gain one thing - I found that I could link my phone and
>> add Google Messages to my desktop and hence use my full size keyboard to
>> send SMS messages. With my big hands and Carpal Tunnel syndrome, that
>> was worth the change alone.
>
> For years, my phone is mirrored on my PC at almost two feet tall.
>
> If I'm home sitting at my desk, whether the phone is on Wi-Fi or USB, I
> operate it completely using the PC keyboard, mouse, speakers & clipboard.
>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/N0G1TXcZ/scrcpy01.jpg> Mirror Android on any PC
> <https://i.postimg.cc/tTmdgKTB/scrcpy02.jpg> An efficient program setup

I'll have a look at those and maybe a try if it's not too techy for an
old geezer.

--
Tetbury, Gloucestershire , UK

The saddest fact of life: Bread, Chips and Coffee never taste as good as
they smell when passing the shop.