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* Unicode 16 Is OutLawrence D'Oliveiro
`* Re: Unicode 16 Is OutJohn McCue
 +* Re: Unicode 16 Is OutLawrence D'Oliveiro
 |`* Re: Unicode 16 Is OutJohn McCue
 | `- Re: Unicode 16 Is OutLawrence D'Oliveiro
 +- Re: Unicode 16 Is OutEli the Bearded
 `* Re: Unicode 16 Is OutRichmond
  `- Re: Unicode 16 Is OutLawrence D'Oliveiro

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Subject: Unicode 16 Is Out
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 08:28 UTC
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Unicode 16 Is Out
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 08:28:16 -0000 (UTC)
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A few more language blocks, plus a few more emojis, and some “legacy
computing” symbols. Oh, and a bunch of extra Egyptian hieroglyphs.

“Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the pyramid...”

<http://blog.unicode.org/>

Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
From: John McCue
Newsgroups: comp.misc
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:35 UTC
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From: jmccue@reddwf.jmcunx.com (John McCue)
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Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
> and some legacy computing symbols.

I wonder what this means. Legacy to me means all these symbols
were 7-bit ASCII. So now we have multiple encodings for '<'
and '>' plus a whole host of others already represented in
ASCII ?

That is crazy, it is bad enough there are multiple symbols
for single-dashes and quotes.

<snip>
> <http://blog.unicode.org/>

--
csh(1) - "An elegant shell, for a more... civilized age."
- Paraphrasing Star Wars

Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 22:02 UTC
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 22:02:49 -0000 (UTC)
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:35:29 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:

> Legacy to me means all these symbols were 7-bit ASCII.

ASCII was already included in Unicode from the beginning.

> So now we have multiple encodings for '<' and '>' plus a
> whole host of others already represented in ASCII ?

I don’t see any such in the new Legacy Computing block.

> That is crazy, it is bad enough there are multiple symbols for
> single-dashes and quotes.

Which ones do you think are not distinctly different?

Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
From: John McCue
Newsgroups: comp.misc
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Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:35:29 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:
>
<snip>
>
>> That is crazy, it is bad enough there are multiple symbols for
>> single-dashes and quotes.
>
> Which ones do you think are not distinctly different?

See:

https://jkorpela.fi/dashes.html

To me there is no need for multiple '-' characters.
One should be enough. I read it, but I will always
say '-' is all that is needed. Same goes for double
and single quotes :)

--
[t]csh(1) - "An elegant shell, for a more... civilized age."
- Paraphrasing Star Wars

Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
Newsgroups: comp.misc
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:35 UTC
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:35:10 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Which ones do you think are not distinctly different?
>
> See:
>
> https://jkorpela.fi/dashes.html

They all have different representations/meanings, which is why they’re
there.

> To me there is no need for multiple '-' characters.

Not good enough for typeset-quality text. Even if you want to confine
yourself to English text in Roman script, which a lot of people don’t.

Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
From: Eli the Bearded
Newsgroups: comp.misc
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 21:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
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In comp.misc, John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> <snip>
> > and some legacy computing symbols.
>
> I wonder what this means. Legacy to me means all these symbols
> were 7-bit ASCII. So now we have multiple encodings for '<'
> and '>' plus a whole host of others already represented in
> ASCII ?

In this case it's some checkboard patterns outside of U+0020 to U+007F
"ASCII" range used by some legacy system.

https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-16.0/U160-2400.pdf

U+2427, U+2428, and U+2429.

U+2427 I know was used as a delete cursor on Apple IIe systems, I don't
know about the others, but probably similar stories.

Elijah
------
sponsor of U+2417 in that same code block

Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
From: Richmond
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Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
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John McCue <jmccue@reddwf.jmcunx.com> writes:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> <snip>
>> and some legacy computing symbols.
>
> I wonder what this means. Legacy to me means all these symbols
> were 7-bit ASCII. So now we have multiple encodings for '<'
> and '>' plus a whole host of others already represented in
> ASCII ?
>
> That is crazy, it is bad enough there are multiple symbols
> for single-dashes and quotes.
>
> <snip>
>> <http://blog.unicode.org/>

The £ is obviously essential.

Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 02:05 UTC
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: Unicode 16 Is Out
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 19:59:04 +0100, Richmond wrote:

> The £ is obviously essential.

€, ¢, ¥, ₩, ₦, ₢, ₹, ₺, ₯, ₮, ₽ ...

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