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* Tklib tooltip usage problem with configureMark Summerfield
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Subject: Tklib tooltip usage problem with configure
From: Mark Summerfield
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:45 UTC
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I have added tooltips to some widgets and they work fine. For example:

package require tooltip

....
tooltip::tooltip $panel.optionsButton "Modal Show/Hide"

But the tooltips come with a sort of blue/grey background whereas I prefer
the more traditional light yellow.

So I tried this:

tooltip::tooltip configure -background yellow and got this:

Error in startup script: invalid command name ".__tooltip__.label"
while executing
"$b.label configure $opt"
(procedure "configure" line 13)
invoked from within
"configure {*}$args"
(procedure "tooltip::tooltip" line 34)
invoked from within
"tooltip::tooltip configure -background yellow"
(procedure "test::make" line 11)
invoked from within
....

It is no different if I use ::tooltip::tooltip. And I get a similar error
if I just try to print the config options, e.g.,

puts [tooltip::tooltip configure]

Subject: Re: Tklib tooltip usage problem with configure
From: Harald Oehlmann
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Am 26.06.2024 um 09:45 schrieb Mark Summerfield:
> I have added tooltips to some widgets and they work fine. For example:
>
> package require tooltip
>
> ...
> tooltip::tooltip $panel.optionsButton "Modal Show/Hide"
>
> But the tooltips come with a sort of blue/grey background whereas I prefer
> the more traditional light yellow.
>
> So I tried this:
>
> tooltip::tooltip configure -background yellow and got this:
>
> Error in startup script: invalid command name ".__tooltip__.label"
> while executing
> "$b.label configure $opt"
> (procedure "configure" line 13)
> invoked from within
> "configure {*}$args"
> (procedure "tooltip::tooltip" line 34)
> invoked from within
> "tooltip::tooltip configure -background yellow"
> (procedure "test::make" line 11)
> invoked from within
> ...
>
> It is no different if I use ::tooltip::tooltip. And I get a similar error
> if I just try to print the config options, e.g.,
>
> puts [tooltip::tooltip configure]

The tklib tooltip package has a lot of bugs. You may try the main branch
version at fossil. I could reproduce the problem you are seeing and it
is not solved.
BWidget tooltip still has a lot of advantages. Porting all its code to
tklib would be great...

Sorry, no much help...
Harald

Subject: Re: Tklib tooltip usage problem with configure
From: nemethi
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Am 26.06.24 um 09:45 schrieb Mark Summerfield:
> I have added tooltips to some widgets and they work fine. For example:
>
> package require tooltip
>
> ...
> tooltip::tooltip $panel.optionsButton "Modal Show/Hide"
>
> But the tooltips come with a sort of blue/grey background whereas I prefer
> the more traditional light yellow.
>
> So I tried this:
>
> tooltip::tooltip configure -background yellow and got this:
>
> Error in startup script: invalid command name ".__tooltip__.label"
> while executing
> "$b.label configure $opt"
> (procedure "configure" line 13)
> invoked from within
> "configure {*}$args"
> (procedure "tooltip::tooltip" line 34)
> invoked from within
> "tooltip::tooltip configure -background yellow"
> (procedure "test::make" line 11)
> invoked from within
> ...
>
> It is no different if I use ::tooltip::tooltip. And I get a similar error
> if I just try to print the config options, e.g.,
>
> puts [tooltip::tooltip configure]

That blue/grey background and the error message generated by
"tooltip::tooltip configure" are caused by some bugs in version 1.8 of
the tooltip package. These bugs are now fixed in the latest tooltip
version 1.8.2. I suggest you to check out this new version, in which
the default tooltip background is lightyellow (again) and
"tooltip::tooltip configure" works as expected.

--
Csaba Nemethi https://www.nemethi.de mailto:csaba.nemethi@t-online.de

Subject: Re: Tklib tooltip usage problem with configure
From: Mark Summerfield
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:17:44 +0200, nemethi wrote:

[snip]
> That blue/grey background and the error message generated by
> "tooltip::tooltip configure" are caused by some bugs in version 1.8 of
> the tooltip package. These bugs are now fixed in the latest tooltip
> version 1.8.2. I suggest you to check out this new version, in which
> the default tooltip background is lightyellow (again) and
> "tooltip::tooltip configure" works as expected.

Thanks, I just downloaded and installed from trunk and the background in
lightyellow.

Incidentally, before installing Tcllib and Tklib I always have to edit
installer.tcl to add the line

tk scaling 1.67

I wish both contained this so I wouldn't need to:

if {[info exists env(TK_SCALING)]} { tk scaling $env(TK_SCALING) }

Subject: Re: Tklib tooltip usage problem with configure
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Am 27.06.24 um 07:42 schrieb Mark Summerfield:
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:17:44 +0200, nemethi wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> That blue/grey background and the error message generated by
>> "tooltip::tooltip configure" are caused by some bugs in version 1.8 of
>> the tooltip package. These bugs are now fixed in the latest tooltip
>> version 1.8.2. I suggest you to check out this new version, in which
>> the default tooltip background is lightyellow (again) and
>> "tooltip::tooltip configure" works as expected.
>
> Thanks, I just downloaded and installed from trunk and the background in
> lightyellow.
>
> Incidentally, before installing Tcllib and Tklib I always have to edit
> installer.tcl to add the line
>
> tk scaling 1.67
>
> I wish both contained this so I wouldn't need to:
>
> if {[info exists env(TK_SCALING)]} { tk scaling $env(TK_SCALING) }

Tk 9 uses a different strategy for the scaling-related stuff: On X11 it
retrieves the display's scaling level (100%, 125%, 150%, ...) from the
system settings, assigns it to the public variable tk::scalingPct, and
passes a value derived from the latter to "tk scaling" (see "man n
tk_scalingPct"). Both $tk::scalingPct and [tk scaling] are used at many
places in the Tk code and library scripts to make the widgets and
standard dialogs scaling-aware.

Out of curiosity: What is your desktop environment
(GNOME/KDE/Cinnamon/MATE/Xfce)? What is the display's scaling level?
Are you using Xorg or Wayland?. What are the values $tk::scalingPct and
[tk scaling] immediately after starting wish?

--
Csaba Nemethi https://www.nemethi.de mailto:csaba.nemethi@t-online.de

Subject: Re: Tklib tooltip usage problem with configure
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 11:48:38 +0200, nemethi wrote:

[snip]
> Tk 9 uses a different strategy for the scaling-related stuff: On X11 it
> retrieves the display's scaling level (100%, 125%, 150%, ...) from the
> system settings, assigns it to the public variable tk::scalingPct, and
> passes a value derived from the latter to "tk scaling" (see "man n
> tk_scalingPct"). Both $tk::scalingPct and [tk scaling] are used at many
> places in the Tk code and library scripts to make the widgets and
> standard dialogs scaling-aware.
>
> Out of curiosity: What is your desktop environment
> (GNOME/KDE/Cinnamon/MATE/Xfce)? What is the display's scaling level?
> Are you using Xorg or Wayland?. What are the values $tk::scalingPct and
> [tk scaling] immediately after starting wish?

In my experience *every* Tk app is far too small for me. For example, I
use gitk but fortunately it lets you set all the fonts. For others I am
able to add in the [tk scaling] if statement or simply can't use them.

I'm using Tcl/Tk 9.0b2 on Linux 6.1 amd64 Debian/Linux 12 (bookworm) with
Xfce 4.18 (GTK 3.24).

$ wish9
% puts $tk::scalingPct
100
% puts [tk scaling]
1.3333333333333333

I don't know if I am using Xorg or Wayland. My display is 1920x1200 (16:10
aspect ratio)

Subject: Re: Tklib tooltip usage problem with configure
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Am 27.06.24 um 12:29 schrieb Mark Summerfield:
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 11:48:38 +0200, nemethi wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> Tk 9 uses a different strategy for the scaling-related stuff: On X11 it
>> retrieves the display's scaling level (100%, 125%, 150%, ...) from the
>> system settings, assigns it to the public variable tk::scalingPct, and
>> passes a value derived from the latter to "tk scaling" (see "man n
>> tk_scalingPct"). Both $tk::scalingPct and [tk scaling] are used at many
>> places in the Tk code and library scripts to make the widgets and
>> standard dialogs scaling-aware.
>>
>> Out of curiosity: What is your desktop environment
>> (GNOME/KDE/Cinnamon/MATE/Xfce)? What is the display's scaling level?
>> Are you using Xorg or Wayland?. What are the values $tk::scalingPct and
>> [tk scaling] immediately after starting wish?
>
> In my experience *every* Tk app is far too small for me. For example, I
> use gitk but fortunately it lets you set all the fonts. For others I am
> able to add in the [tk scaling] if statement or simply can't use them.
>
> I'm using Tcl/Tk 9.0b2 on Linux 6.1 amd64 Debian/Linux 12 (bookworm) with
> Xfce 4.18 (GTK 3.24).
>
> $ wish9
> % puts $tk::scalingPct
> 100
> % puts [tk scaling]
> 1.3333333333333333
>
> I don't know if I am using Xorg or Wayland. My display is 1920x1200 (16:10
> aspect ratio)

Suggestion: In the "Fonts" tab of the "Appearance" dialog set the font
DPI to 120. This will increase the size of the fonts by a factor of
1.25, for all applications, including the Tk scripts. After doing this,
right after starting wish, $tk::scalingPct will be 125 and [tk scaling]
will be 1.66666666666666666666. Just give it a try!

--
Csaba Nemethi https://www.nemethi.de mailto:csaba.nemethi@t-online.de

Subject: Re: Tklib tooltip usage problem with configure
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:01:27 +0200, nemethi wrote:
[snip]
> Suggestion: In the "Fonts" tab of the "Appearance" dialog set the font
> DPI to 120. This will increase the size of the fonts by a factor of
> 1.25, for all applications, including the Tk scripts. After doing this,
> right after starting wish, $tk::scalingPct will be 125 and [tk scaling]
> will be 1.66666666666666666666. Just give it a try!

I tried it and it makes every app much bigger. But that would mean
changing every non-Tk app to be smaller to compensate.

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