Michael Christ wrote:
> On 23/05/2024 12:12 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 5/21/24 10:02 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 20 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/20/24 8:08 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/05/2024 8:50 pm, D wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> What it used to be like and it worked because it is correct
>>>>>>>>>> correction, and that child knows it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fJOfgZNxF2A
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Look at the mother calmly speaking to her. The daughter
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't listen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bang! End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Instead we have entitled little shits these days who don't
>>>>>>>>>> know where they are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proverbs 29:15  The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child
>>>>>>>>>> left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proverbs 13:24  He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he
>>>>>>>>>> that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It's abuse.  She didn't need to hit her daughter in the mouth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, she did. It was exactly what she needed and the child knew
>>>>>>>> it. Bullseye.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A loving and wise mother!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Michael. And based on my own experience in
>>>>>>> childhood, and my parents, it works. Also note that it is self
>>>>>>> correcting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It didn't look self-correcting to me. :-).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last time my mother slapped me was when I slapped her back
>>>>>>> (with equal force). Then she never again did it and we were
>>>>>>> "even" and after that we had adult conversations when we disagreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I was your father and I saw you do that to your mother, the
>>>>>> "woman" who gave birth to you, what do you think—no matter your
>>>>>> age—I would have done to you post haste?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea. She slapped me, so I slapped her. Logical, easy,
>>>>> and it permanently solved the problem for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Put it this way, you will never ever do that again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doubt it. If you would have been there, most likely it would have
>>>>> ended in a fist fight and me moving out, and then waiting for a few
>>>>> years or a life time of you apologizing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, this is why hitting, slapping, etc., lead to relationships
>>>> breaking up,
>>>> parents getting arrested, etc.  Instead of Mom slapping you, she should
>>>> have told you, "Time for a paddling," and positioned you
>>>> accordingly.  If
>>>> you refused, then you would need to have everything that mattered to
>>>> you
>>>> (phone, gaming systems, friends, etc.) removed until you willingly
>>>> accepted
>>>> your punishment, which would need to be augmented due to your initial
>>>> defiance.  Maybe a "couple (or several?) sets of 3" would be
>>>> appropriate??
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>
>>> You do have a point Dawn, you do have a point.
>>
>> Yes, I do.  You should have accepted your loving mother's tender
>> discipline!
>>   (By the way, if I may ask, how old are you now?)
>>
>> Dawn
>>
>> P.S. I hope that you & your mother have reconciled!
>
> If not, all he has to do is slap her around a bit more and she'll come
> into line.
>
> D is 12 years old.
>
>
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> Michael Christ

how about making it an olympic sport ,
how far get you belt your kid

On Wed, 22 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:

> On 22/05/2024 1:04 am, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 21 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/05/2024 2:26 am, % wrote:
>>>> D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/05/2024 8:50 pm, D wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> What it used to be like and it worked because it is correct
>>>>>>>>>> correction, and that child knows it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fJOfgZNxF2A
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Look at the mother calmly speaking to her. The daughter wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> listen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bang! End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Instead we have entitled little shits these days who don't know
>>>>>>>>>> where they are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proverbs 29:15  The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left
>>>>>>>>>> to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proverbs 13:24  He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that
>>>>>>>>>> loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It's abuse.  She didn't need to hit her daughter in the mouth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, she did. It was exactly what she needed and the child knew it.
>>>>>>>> Bullseye.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A loving and wise mother!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Michael. And based on my own experience in childhood, and
>>>>>>> my parents, it works. Also note that it is self correcting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It didn't look self-correcting to me. :-).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last time my mother slapped me was when I slapped her back (with
>>>>>>> equal force). Then she never again did it and we were "even" and after
>>>>>>> that we had adult conversations when we disagreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I was your father and I saw you do that to your mother, the "woman"
>>>>>> who gave birth to you, what do you think—no matter your age—I would
>>>>>> have done to you post haste?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea. She slapped me, so I slapped her. Logical, easy, and it
>>>>> permanently solved the problem for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Put it this way, you will never ever do that again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doubt it. If you would have been there, most likely it would have ended
>>>>> in a fist fight and me moving out, and then waiting for a few years or a
>>>>> life time of you apologizing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It reminds me of the libertarian problem of children. When do they
>>>>>>> cease to be the responsibility of the parents in a purely libertarian
>>>>>>> world? When they move away from home and start to live their own life
>>>>>>> (is one answer). That's when they prove that they are individuals who
>>>>>>> take responsibility for their own lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Instead, she
>>>>>>>>> should have let her child settle down and, if necessary, impose some
>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Atheism doesn't work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Dawn, sorry, but you are a blind idiot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> you slap your mom or anyone's mom ,
>>>> if i'm there you will really wish you didn't
>>>
>>> I'll hold him down and you kick the shit out of the little bastard or you
>>> could hold him down an I'll kick the shit out of the little bastard.
>>>
>>> Or just two baseball bats?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No Michael, in civilized countries we use guns. Just shoot him! Jokes
>> aside, I read today about a father who was arrested for having killed his
>> two children. He is currently undergoing a psychological evaluation because
>> they suspect him to be crazy. That does sound quite likely in my opinion.
>
> He probably smacked his mother in the face too!
>
> Forget about the smoke and mirrors. I can't compromise on what is right and
> what is wrong.
>
> Smacking your mother in the face is wrong.
>
> That's it.
>
> You are wrong.
>
> And that is it.

Incorrect. You are wrong Michael. You can't beat this argument even if you
had Jesus on your side. Legally, in the country I grew up in, you have the
right to defend yourself. Way more violence than a slap in the face has
been found out by courts to be justified.

So come one Michael, you want to argue against the legal system and the
courts too?

>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
>

On Wed, 22 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:

> On 22/05/2024 9:18 am, % wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2024 1:04 am, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/05/2024 2:26 am, % wrote:
>>>>>> D wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19/05/2024 8:50 pm, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> What it used to be like and it worked because it is correct
>>>>>>>>>>>> correction, and that child knows it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fJOfgZNxF2A
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the mother calmly speaking to her. The daughter wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> listen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bang! End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead we have entitled little shits these days who don't know
>>>>>>>>>>>> where they are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Proverbs 29:15  The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left
>>>>>>>>>>>> to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Proverbs 13:24  He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he
>>>>>>>>>>>> that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It's abuse.  She didn't need to hit her daughter in the mouth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, she did. It was exactly what she needed and the child knew it.
>>>>>>>>>> Bullseye.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A loving and wise mother!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree with Michael. And based on my own experience in childhood,
>>>>>>>>> and my parents, it works. Also note that it is self correcting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It didn't look self-correcting to me. :-).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The last time my mother slapped me was when I slapped her back (with
>>>>>>>>> equal force). Then she never again did it and we were "even" and
>>>>>>>>> after that we had adult conversations when we disagreed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I was your father and I saw you do that to your mother, the
>>>>>>>> "woman" who gave birth to you, what do you think—no matter your age—I
>>>>>>>> would have done to you post haste?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no idea. She slapped me, so I slapped her. Logical, easy, and
>>>>>>> it permanently solved the problem for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Put it this way, you will never ever do that again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doubt it. If you would have been there, most likely it would have
>>>>>>> ended in a fist fight and me moving out, and then waiting for a few
>>>>>>> years or a life time of you apologizing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It reminds me of the libertarian problem of children. When do they
>>>>>>>>> cease to be the responsibility of the parents in a purely
>>>>>>>>> libertarian world? When they move away from home and start to live
>>>>>>>>> their own life (is one answer). That's when they prove that they are
>>>>>>>>> individuals who take responsibility for their own lives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Instead, she
>>>>>>>>>>> should have let her child settle down and, if necessary, impose
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Atheism doesn't work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And Dawn, sorry, but you are a blind idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you slap your mom or anyone's mom ,
>>>>>> if i'm there you will really wish you didn't
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll hold him down and you kick the shit out of the little bastard or
>>>>> you could hold him down an I'll kick the shit out of the little bastard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or just two baseball bats?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No Michael, in civilized countries we use guns. Just shoot him! Jokes
>>>> aside, I read today about a father who was arrested for having killed his
>>>> two children. He is currently undergoing a psychological evaluation
>>>> because they suspect him to be crazy. That does sound quite likely in my
>>>> opinion.
>>>
>>> He probably smacked his mother in the face too!
>>>
>>> Forget about the smoke and mirrors. I can't compromise on what is right
>>> and what is wrong.
>>>
>>> Smacking your mother in the face is wrong.
>>>
>>> That's it.
>>>
>>> You are wrong.
>>>
>>> And that is it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>> make the bats fight each other
>
> D sorta started out alright, but now he is kissing Dawn's ass and sucking on
> her toes and...well...never mind.
>
> He's a swinger and you can't trust them as far as you can throw them.

Don't be jealous Michael. If you ask for it nicely, you can get some too!
;)

>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>

On Wed, 22 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:

> On 5/21/24 10:02 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 20 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/20/24 8:08 AM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/05/2024 8:50 pm, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 19 May 2024, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What it used to be like and it worked because it is correct
>>>>>>>>> correction, and that child knows it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fJOfgZNxF2A
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Look at the mother calmly speaking to her. The daughter wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> listen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bang! End of story.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Instead we have entitled little shits these days who don't know
>>>>>>>>> where they are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proverbs 29:15  The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to
>>>>>>>>> himself bringeth his mother to shame.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proverbs 13:24  He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that
>>>>>>>>> loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn wrote:
>>>>>>>> It's abuse.  She didn't need to hit her daughter in the mouth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, she did. It was exactly what she needed and the child knew it.
>>>>>>> Bullseye.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A loving and wise mother!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Michael. And based on my own experience in childhood, and
>>>>>> my parents, it works. Also note that it is self correcting.
>>>>>
>>>>> It didn't look self-correcting to me. :-).
>>>>>
>>>>>> The last time my mother slapped me was when I slapped her back (with
>>>>>> equal force). Then she never again did it and we were "even" and after
>>>>>> that we had adult conversations when we disagreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I was your father and I saw you do that to your mother, the "woman"
>>>>> who gave birth to you, what do you think—no matter your age—I would have
>>>>> done to you post haste?
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea. She slapped me, so I slapped her. Logical, easy, and it
>>>> permanently solved the problem for me.
>>>>
>>>>> Put it this way, you will never ever do that again.
>>>>
>>>> Doubt it. If you would have been there, most likely it would have ended
>>>> in a fist fight and me moving out, and then waiting for a few years or a
>>>> life time of you apologizing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, this is why hitting, slapping, etc., lead to relationships breaking
>>> up,
>>> parents getting arrested, etc. Instead of Mom slapping you, she should
>>> have told you, "Time for a paddling," and positioned you accordingly. If
>>> you refused, then you would need to have everything that mattered to you
>>> (phone, gaming systems, friends, etc.) removed until you willingly
>>> accepted
>>> your punishment, which would need to be augmented due to your initial
>>> defiance. Maybe a "couple (or several?) sets of 3" would be appropriate??
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>>
>>
>> You do have a point Dawn, you do have a point.
>
> Yes, I do. You should have accepted your loving mother's tender discipline!
> (By the way, if I may ask, how old are you now?)

Well, I said a point, I did not say you were unconditionally right. ;) And
remember that it did solve my problem, since I was never hit again, so
from my perspective it was a huge win. =)

I am now 42.

> Dawn
>
> P.S. I hope that you & your mother have reconciled!

Oh yes... despite what you all read into the message I had the most loving
and wonderful upbringing a child can have. No hard feelings and no
regrets.

On Wed, 22 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:

> On 5/21/24 10:01 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 20 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/19/24 5:47 AM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/24 7:07 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> What it used to be like and it worked because it is correct correction,
>>>>>> and that child knows it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fJOfgZNxF2A
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the mother calmly speaking to her. The daughter wouldn't
>>>>>> listen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bang! End of story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead we have entitled little shits these days who don't know where
>>>>>> they are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proverbs 29:15  The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to
>>>>>> himself bringeth his mother to shame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proverbs 13:24  He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that
>>>>>> loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's abuse. She didn't need to hit her daughter in the mouth. Instead,
>>>>> she
>>>>> should have let her child settle down and, if necessary, impose some
>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. It breaks the hysterical cycle and lets her calm down and
>>>> then you can have a rational discussion. Granted, the child is quite old,
>>>> so this should no longer be necessary _if_ this has been done correctly
>>>> earlier.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen many children who completely lose control and parents try to
>>>> talk to them which is meaningless. A light slap will break the hysterical
>>>> cycle, and then you can have a conversation.
>>>>
>>>> I do not see the light slap as abuse.
>>>
>>> I just don't get it.
>>>
>>> If the mother wanted to impose physical punishment, then she should have
>>> taken her daughter to a bed with soft blankets and forced her to bend over
>>> its side with her arms extended facedown in a soft pillow. Two or three
>>> firm swats to her daughter's bottom could begin the dialogue, and, if
>>> necessary, mom could "rinse & repeat" if she is not satisfied with her
>>> daughter's answers and/or attitude.
>>>
>>> As for the choice of a paddle, fenestrated wooden ones are the safest, not
>>> only for the caregiver, but especially, the child, as they are more
>>> aerodynamic, and hence, offer finer control, tailoring the swats to only
>>> the bare minimum (no pun intended) that are needed. They are certainly
>>> much safer than striking a child in the face with a metal spatula!
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>>
>>
>> It does sound as if you have experience with this? As for the situation, I
>> think it is difficult to speculate about the force and perceived feelings
>> in the situation based on just the youtube clip.
>
> During my long lifetime, I was on "both ends" of things, but in the case of
> the former, only as a child!
>
> Dawn
>

Ahh... then I'd argue that your knowledge and experience is greater than
mine. That is a point in your favour.