D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 13 May 2024, Maximus wrote:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>>
>>>
>>>    And we laugh at you shivering
>>> at the gas pump and complaining
>>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>>> about your catalytic converter
>>> getting stolen.
>>>
>>
>> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in
>> queue waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to
>> charge up the car :)
>>
>> https://auslink.info/video/teslas.mp4
>
> I assume he has a charger in his home garage,

yes he does. he has said so. and that's fine, but I'm referring to when
traveling.

> and since neither you nor I have a gasoline pump in our garage, he is
> happy that we stand outside for the 3 minutes or so it takes to fill
> up the car.
>
> This is just my speculation of interpretation of the argument.

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Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>
>>
>> And we laugh at you shivering
>> at the gas pump and complaining
>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>> about your catalytic converter
>> getting stolen.
>>
>
> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in queue
> waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to charge up
the
> car :)

That has never happened to me.
The Tslsa map of chargers shows
which ones are in use so you can
steer to one that is vacant. At
our big megastions - Buckees -
they have 40 chargers per location,
of which maybe five or six are in
use at any given time. Stop, hook
up, go inside for a borrito and
popcorn, and the car is charged
up when you get back. Really no
differnt than getting a tank of
gas in terms of time. And of
course that is just on road trips,
normally I charge up at home.
For free.

In article <XnsB1717EBFAF448629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
> >>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
> >>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
> >>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
> >>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
> >>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
> >>
> >>
> >> And we laugh at you shivering
> >> at the gas pump and complaining
> >> about gas prices and gee too bad
> >> about your catalytic converter
> >> getting stolen.
> >>
> >
> > you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in queue
> > waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to charge up
> the
> > car :)
>
>
>
> That has never happened to me.
> The Tslsa map of chargers shows
> which ones are in use so you can
> steer to one that is vacant. At
> our big megastions - Buckees -
> they have 40 chargers per location,
> of which maybe five or six are in
> use at any given time. Stop, hook
> up, go inside for a borrito and
> popcorn, and the car is charged
> up when you get back. Really no
> differnt than getting a tank of
> gas in terms of time. And of
> course that is just on road trips,
> normally I charge up at home.
> For free.

I still don't spend 80 bucks a week on gas like you claimed.

On Mon, 13 May 2024 17:29:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>>
>>>
>>> And we laugh at you shivering
>>> at the gas pump and complaining
>>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>>> about your catalytic converter
>>> getting stolen.
>>>
>>
>> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in queue
>> waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to charge up
>the
>> car :)
>
>
>
> That has never happened to me.
>The Tslsa map of chargers shows
>which ones are in use so you can
>steer to one that is vacant. At
>our big megastions - Buckees -
>they have 40 chargers per location,
>of which maybe five or six are in
>use at any given time. Stop, hook
>up, go inside for a borrito and
>popcorn, and the car is charged
>up when you get back. Really no
>differnt than getting a tank of
>gas in terms of time. And of
>course that is just on road trips,
>normally I charge up at home.
>For free.

None of our arguments will convince the EV skeptics here. It's not
about the costs, the time it takes to charge, the range, the
environmental impact, or anything like that. No, EV's are for
leftists. Extreme, liberal, woke, socialist, lib, dem, elitist, deep
state leftists. And that's why they hate EV's.

--
Malte Runz

In article <tap44j54b0m10s06trfetm51tu5n8a32lp@4ax.com>,
nobodys@busine.ss says...
>
> On Mon, 13 May 2024 17:29:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
> >@mid.individual.net:
> >
> >> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> >>>> says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
> >>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
> >>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
> >>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
> >>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
> >>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And we laugh at you shivering
> >>> at the gas pump and complaining
> >>> about gas prices and gee too bad
> >>> about your catalytic converter
> >>> getting stolen.
> >>>
> >>
> >> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in queue
> >> waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to charge up
> >the
> >> car :)
> >
> >
> >
> > That has never happened to me.
> >The Tslsa map of chargers shows
> >which ones are in use so you can
> >steer to one that is vacant. At
> >our big megastions - Buckees -
> >they have 40 chargers per location,
> >of which maybe five or six are in
> >use at any given time. Stop, hook
> >up, go inside for a borrito and
> >popcorn, and the car is charged
> >up when you get back. Really no
> >differnt than getting a tank of
> >gas in terms of time. And of
> >course that is just on road trips,
> >normally I charge up at home.
> >For free.
>
> None of our arguments will convince the EV skeptics here. It's not
> about the costs, the time it takes to charge, the range, the
> environmental impact, or anything like that. No, EV's are for
> leftists. Extreme, liberal, woke, socialist, lib, dem, elitist, deep
> state leftists. And that's why they hate EV's.

Do you know what it takes to make just one battery? Talk about leaving a
footprint.

Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote in
news:tap44j54b0m10s06trfetm51tu5n8a32lp@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 13 May 2024 17:29:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
>>@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And we laugh at you shivering
>>>> at the gas pump and complaining
>>>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>>>> about your catalytic converter
>>>> getting stolen.
>>>>
>>>
>>> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in
>>> queue waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to
>>> charge up
>>the
>>> car :)
>>
>>
>>
>> That has never happened to me.
>>The Tslsa map of chargers shows
>>which ones are in use so you can
>>steer to one that is vacant. At
>>our big megastions - Buckees -
>>they have 40 chargers per location,
>>of which maybe five or six are in
>>use at any given time. Stop, hook
>>up, go inside for a borrito and
>>popcorn, and the car is charged
>>up when you get back. Really no
>>differnt than getting a tank of
>>gas in terms of time. And of
>>course that is just on road trips,
>>normally I charge up at home.
>>For free.
>
> None of our arguments will convince the EV skeptics here. It's not
> about the costs, the time it takes to charge, the range, the
> environmental impact, or anything like that. No, EV's are for
> leftists. Extreme, liberal, woke, socialist, lib, dem, elitist, deep
> state leftists. And that's why they hate EV's.

So true. They love "right thinking
conservative businessman" Elon Musk but
think Texlas are lefty woke plot to
destroy our whole way of life. Go figure.

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>
>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>> $2363145
>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>studies
>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>
>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>
>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>frequently
>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>often
>> not even possible.
>
>
> Cost of what repair?
>
> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>so moving parts at best. After
>five years of driving the only
>thing I replaced are tires and
>a windshield.
>

You're trying to ignore the future. The batteries can't last forever (less
than 10 years), and if you have one accident it will probably be the end of
the car.
Battery powered cars aren't the final answer. The corrupt corporations are
holding back far better tech. They've murdered many inventors like Stan
Meyers. We need to focus on kicking them out and then we won't have an
energy and transport problem.

>
>
>>
>>> - electric
>>> vehicles do not require as much
>>> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
>>> they don't need oil changes or air-
>>> filter replacements. If maintained
>>> according to the automakers'
>>> recommendations, electric vehicles
>>> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
>>> a total of $949/annually."
>>> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
>>
>> did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation
>and
>> resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
>> ownership overall.
>
>
> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>

For now.

>
>No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>that wear out,
>

Parts wear out in electric cars too.

>
>no antifreeze, no
>stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>never go back to gas guzzlers.
>
>
>

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"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>
>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
>>>>>>>>>>> They don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
>>>>>>> tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>studies
>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>
>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>
>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>frequently
>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>>often
>>> not even possible.
>>
>>
>> Cost of what repair?
>>
>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>so moving parts at best. After
>>five years of driving the only
>>thing I replaced are tires and
>>a windshield.
>>
>
> You're trying to ignore the future.

No, I am stating the present from
my personal experience with the issue
which you have none.

> The batteries can't last forever
> (less than 10 years), and if you have one accident it will probably be
> the end of the car.
> Battery powered cars aren't the final answer. The corrupt corporations
> are holding back far better tech. They've murdered many inventors like
> Stan Meyers. We need to focus on kicking them out and then we won't
> have an energy and transport problem.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> - electric
>>>> vehicles do not require as much
>>>> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
>>>> they don't need oil changes or air-
>>>> filter replacements. If maintained
>>>> according to the automakers'
>>>> recommendations, electric vehicles
>>>> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
>>>> a total of $949/annually."
>>>> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
>>>
>>> did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation
>>and
>>> resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
>>> ownership overall.
>>
>>
>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>
>
> For now.
>
>
>>
>>No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>that wear out,
>>
>
> Parts wear out in electric cars too.
>
>
>>
>>no antifreeze, no
>>stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>
>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>
>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
>>>>>>>> tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>>studies
>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>
>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>frequently
>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>>>often
>>>> not even possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>
>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>so moving parts at best. After
>>>five years of driving the only
>>>thing I replaced are tires and
>>>a windshield.
>>>
>>
>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>
>
> No, I am stating the present from
>my personal experience with the issue
>which you have none.
>

Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
experts are saying.
Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.

>
>
>> The batteries can't last forever
>> (less than 10 years), and if you have one accident it will probably be
>> the end of the car.
>> Battery powered cars aren't the final answer. The corrupt corporations
>> are holding back far better tech. They've murdered many inventors like
>> Stan Meyers. We need to focus on kicking them out and then we won't
>> have an energy and transport problem.
>>
>>

--
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the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

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In article <v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me>, space@defense.com says...
>
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
> >
> >"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
> >
> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> >> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
> >>>
> >>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
> >>>@mid.individual.net:
> >>>
> >>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
> >>>>> @mid.individual.net:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
> >>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
> >>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
> >>>>> $2363145
> >>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
> >>>noemail@aol.com
> >>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> They don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
> >>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
> >>>>>>>>>>> at home?
> >>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
> >>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
> >>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
> >>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
> >>>>>>>> tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
> >>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
> >>>studies
> >>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
> >>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
> >>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
> >>>>> average of $546, while the amount
> >>>>> of gas required to drive the same
> >>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
> >>>>
> >>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
> >>>frequently
> >>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
> >>>often
> >>>> not even possible.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cost of what repair?
> >>>
> >>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
> >>>so moving parts at best. After
> >>>five years of driving the only
> >>>thing I replaced are tires and
> >>>a windshield.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You're trying to ignore the future.
> >
> >
> > No, I am stating the present from
> >my personal experience with the issue
> >which you have none.
> >
>
> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
> experts are saying.
> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>
>
> >
> >
> >> The batteries can't last forever
> >> (less than 10 years), and if you have one accident it will probably be
> >> the end of the car.
> >> Battery powered cars aren't the final answer. The corrupt corporations
> >> are holding back far better tech. They've murdered many inventors like
> >> Stan Meyers. We need to focus on kicking them out and then we won't
> >> have an energy and transport problem.
> >>
> >>

They wouldn't be worth a shit where I live.

"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>
>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>
>>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
>>>>>>>>> tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>>>studies
>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>
>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>frequently
>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>>>>often
>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>
>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>so moving parts at best. After
>>>>five years of driving the only
>>>>thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>a windshield.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>
>>
>> No, I am stating the present from
>>my personal experience with the issue
>>which you have none.
>>
>
> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
> experts are saying.
> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>

Actually you are right. EV's
are not for everyone everywhere,
no one said they were. And ICE
vehicles are not for everyone
everywhere.

Silent But Deadly: The Case for
Electrifying Military Vehicles
NOV 17, 2023
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/

U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
2/4/2022
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-wants-
its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help

Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
JUNE 6, 2022
https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-is-
using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport

Skeeter wrote:
> In article <v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me>, space@defense.com says...
>>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
>>>>>>>>>> tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>>>> studies
>>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>> frequently
>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>>>>> often
>>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>>
>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>> so moving parts at best. After
>>>>> five years of driving the only
>>>>> thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>> a windshield.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>> my personal experience with the issue
>>> which you have none.
>>>
>>
>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
>> experts are saying.
>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The batteries can't last forever
>>>> (less than 10 years), and if you have one accident it will probably be
>>>> the end of the car.
>>>> Battery powered cars aren't the final answer. The corrupt corporations
>>>> are holding back far better tech. They've murdered many inventors like
>>>> Stan Meyers. We need to focus on kicking them out and then we won't
>>>> have an energy and transport problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>
> They wouldn't be worth a shit where I live.
>
>
are there any electric vehicles in your trailer park now

In article <17cf61ffa2db419d$28308$348465$6cdd666a@news.thecubenet.com>,
percent@yohooo.not says...
>
> Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me>, space@defense.com says...
> >>
> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> >> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
> >>>
> >>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>
> >>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> >>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
> >>>>> @mid.individual.net:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
> >>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
> >>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
> >>>>>>> $2363145
> >>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
> >>>>> noemail@aol.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
> >>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
> >>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
> >>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
> >>>>>>>>>> tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
> >>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
> >>>>> studies
> >>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
> >>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
> >>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
> >>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
> >>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
> >>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
> >>>>> frequently
> >>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
> >>>>> often
> >>>>>> not even possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cost of what repair?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
> >>>>> so moving parts at best. After
> >>>>> five years of driving the only
> >>>>> thing I replaced are tires and
> >>>>> a windshield.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No, I am stating the present from
> >>> my personal experience with the issue
> >>> which you have none.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
> >> experts are saying.
> >> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The batteries can't last forever
> >>>> (less than 10 years), and if you have one accident it will probably be
> >>>> the end of the car.
> >>>> Battery powered cars aren't the final answer. The corrupt corporations
> >>>> are holding back far better tech. They've murdered many inventors like
> >>>> Stan Meyers. We need to focus on kicking them out and then we won't
> >>>> have an energy and transport problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> > They wouldn't be worth a shit where I live.
> >
> >
> are there any electric vehicles in your trailer park now

rerun

On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:40:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

>Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote in
>news:tap44j54b0m10s06trfetm51tu5n8a32lp@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 17:29:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>>>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And we laugh at you shivering
>>>>> at the gas pump and complaining
>>>>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>>>>> about your catalytic converter
>>>>> getting stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in
>>>> queue waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to
>>>> charge up
>>>the
>>>> car :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That has never happened to me.
>>>The Tslsa map of chargers shows
>>>which ones are in use so you can
>>>steer to one that is vacant. At
>>>our big megastions - Buckees -
>>>they have 40 chargers per location,
>>>of which maybe five or six are in
>>>use at any given time. Stop, hook
>>>up, go inside for a borrito and
>>>popcorn, and the car is charged
>>>up when you get back. Really no
>>>differnt than getting a tank of
>>>gas in terms of time. And of
>>>course that is just on road trips,
>>>normally I charge up at home.
>>>For free.
>>
>> None of our arguments will convince the EV skeptics here. It's not
>> about the costs, the time it takes to charge, the range, the
>> environmental impact, or anything like that. No, EV's are for
>> leftists. Extreme, liberal, woke, socialist, lib, dem, elitist, deep
>> state leftists. And that's why they hate EV's.
>
>
> So true. They love "right thinking
>conservative businessman" Elon Musk but
>think Texlas are lefty woke plot to
>destroy our whole way of life. Go figure.

The Elon Musk, one of the richest people on Earth, but not part of the
cabal/elite/deep state?

--
Malte Runz

In article <vrk74jt6hq96urshehc7du6smv3nrhm01t@4ax.com>,
nobodys@busine.ss says...
>
> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:40:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote in
> >news:tap44j54b0m10s06trfetm51tu5n8a32lp@4ax.com:
> >
> >> On Mon, 13 May 2024 17:29:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
> >>>@mid.individual.net:
> >>>
> >>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>,
> >>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
> >>>>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
> >>>>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
> >>>>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
> >>>>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
> >>>>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And we laugh at you shivering
> >>>>> at the gas pump and complaining
> >>>>> about gas prices and gee too bad
> >>>>> about your catalytic converter
> >>>>> getting stolen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in
> >>>> queue waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to
> >>>> charge up
> >>>the
> >>>> car :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That has never happened to me.
> >>>The Tslsa map of chargers shows
> >>>which ones are in use so you can
> >>>steer to one that is vacant. At
> >>>our big megastions - Buckees -
> >>>they have 40 chargers per location,
> >>>of which maybe five or six are in
> >>>use at any given time. Stop, hook
> >>>up, go inside for a borrito and
> >>>popcorn, and the car is charged
> >>>up when you get back. Really no
> >>>differnt than getting a tank of
> >>>gas in terms of time. And of
> >>>course that is just on road trips,
> >>>normally I charge up at home.
> >>>For free.
> >>
> >> None of our arguments will convince the EV skeptics here. It's not
> >> about the costs, the time it takes to charge, the range, the
> >> environmental impact, or anything like that. No, EV's are for
> >> leftists. Extreme, liberal, woke, socialist, lib, dem, elitist, deep
> >> state leftists. And that's why they hate EV's.
> >
> >
> > So true. They love "right thinking
> >conservative businessman" Elon Musk but
> >think Texlas are lefty woke plot to
> >destroy our whole way of life. Go figure.
>
> The Elon Musk, one of the richest people on Earth, but not part of the
> cabal/elite/deep state?

He builds Rockets and shit.

On Tue, 14 May 2024 21:57:47 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>
>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>studies
>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>
>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>
>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>frequently
>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>>often
>>> not even possible.
>>
>>
>> Cost of what repair?
>>
>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>so moving parts at best. After
>>five years of driving the only
>>thing I replaced are tires and
>>a windshield.
>>
>
>You're trying to ignore the future. The batteries can't last forever (less
>than 10 years), and if you have one accident it will probably be the end of
>the car.
>Battery powered cars aren't the final answer. The corrupt corporations are
>holding back far better tech. ...

What tech would that be? What tech do /you/ know about that the
corrupt corporations are holding back? Be specific. What tech?

> ...They've murdered many inventors like Stan
>Meyers. ...

Of course you believe Stan Meyers and his water fuel cell. Have you
ever looked at his diagrams? They are not that complicated, and if
they really worked there is no way "the corrupt corporations" could
prevent the development of water fuel cells.

Here's an idea! Why don't you build one? Or, even better! You can buy
one right here for only $239,00 (tax included):

https://www.hhomart.com/home/41-stan-meyer-cell.html

And before you run off again, name another of the "many inventors"
that were murdered (excluding those who died of an aneurysm).

> ... We need to focus on kicking them out and then we won't have an
>energy and transport problem.

Then start kicking. Posting in obscure newsgroups ain't doin' it, bro.
Start some serious kicking!

(snip)

--
Malte Runz

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>
>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>
>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>
>>>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>>noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
>>>>>>>>>> tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>>>>studies
>>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>>frequently
>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>>>>>often
>>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>>
>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>>so moving parts at best. After
>>>>>five years of driving the only
>>>>>thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>>a windshield.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>my personal experience with the issue
>>>which you have none.
>>>
>>
>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
>> experts are saying.
>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>
>
>
> Actually you are right. EV's
>are not for everyone everywhere,
>no one said they were.
>

So you made this thread be about only your wonderful experience with them
(so far), plus a few here who agree with you.

>
>And ICE
>vehicles are not for everyone
>everywhere.
>

That's right. We should no longer be using 150+ year old ancient combustion
tech any more. We are only doing so because of massive corruption.

>
>
>
>Silent But Deadly: The Case for
>Electrifying Military Vehicles
>NOV 17, 2023
>https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>

Corrupt Biden is pushing EVs like there's no tomorrow.

"Getting this fuel to remote areas of the world is an arduous task that’s
not only expensive..."
So is building recharging stations all over the place for military use.
And what if the enemy bombs the power stations? What then?

>
>
>U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>2/4/2022
>https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-wants-
>its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>
>
>
>Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>JUNE 6, 2022
>https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-is-
>using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>
>
>
>
>

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"D" wrote in message
news:c79d95d9-ccfd-32f5-c5d5-e4b1b21570c5@example.net...
>
>
>
>On Sun, 12 May 2024, Maximus wrote:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>
>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>
>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>
>>> Charging up my car = free
>>
>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent studies
>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>
>This is true! I did the math when I was thinking about buying a car a few
>years ago and electric didn't even come close.
>
>A technology I can accept is hybrid-cars. I think those are the best of two
>world as long as the price of hybrid doesn't make it unfeasible, but I
>think the prices have come down quite a bit.
>

Yes. Toyota was one of the first to start making hybrids en masse and
resisting EVs and they were right.
Toyota are smart.

--
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the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
>>>>>>>>>> tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>>>> studies
>>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>> frequently
>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>>>>> often
>>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>>
>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>> so moving parts at best. After
>>>>> five years of driving the only
>>>>> thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>> a windshield.
>>>>>
>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>
>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>> my personal experience with the issue
>>> which you have none.
>>>
>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
>> experts are saying.
>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>
>
> Actually you are right. EV's
> are not for everyone everywhere,
> no one said they were. And ICE
> vehicles are not for everyone
> everywhere.
>

where are ICE vehicles not suitable transport where EV's would be?

>
> Silent But Deadly: The Case for
> Electrifying Military Vehicles
> NOV 17, 2023
> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>

"..the verbiage specifically references non-combat vehicles used to get
around military posts and bases"

> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
> 2/4/2022
> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-wants-
> its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>

"..focused on developing a zero emissions non-tactical vehicle fleet"

>
> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
> JUNE 6, 2022
> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-is-
> using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>

big deal.

the idea of having electric combat vehicles is ludicrous. fuel can be
transported to where it's needed. electric vehicles need a charging
facility available. tanks can be heard a mile away, what difference
would electric drive make? etc., etc.,

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"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
news:v20roa$er45$1@dont-email.me:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB1725A27D8D6B629555@185.151.15.160...
>>
>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>
>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:663f7342$0
>>>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>>>noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. They don't want to be recharging their cars as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a
>>>>>>>>>>> fuel tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also,
>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>studies
>>>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>>>frequently
>>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>often
>>>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>>>so moving parts at best. After
>>>>>>five years of driving the only
>>>>>>thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>>>a windshield.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>my personal experience with the issue
>>>>which you have none.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners
>>> and experts are saying.
>>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Actually you are right. EV's
>>are not for everyone everywhere,
>>no one said they were.
>>
>
> So you made this thread be about only your wonderful experience with
> them (so far), plus a few here who agree with you.
>

I didn't make this thread.

>
>>
>>And ICE
>>vehicles are not for everyone
>>everywhere.
>>
>
> That's right. We should no longer be using 150+ year old ancient
> combustion tech any more. We are only doing so because of massive
> corruption.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>Silent But Deadly: The Case for
>>Electrifying Military Vehicles
>>NOV 17, 2023
>>https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>>
>
> Corrupt Biden is pushing EVs like there's no tomorrow.
>
> "Getting this fuel to remote areas of the world is an arduous task
> that’s not only expensive..."
> So is building recharging stations all over the place for military
> use. And what if the enemy bombs the power stations? What then?
>

And militaries haven't been
bombing fuel depots for decades?

>
>>
>>
>>U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>>2/4/2022
>>https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-want
>>s- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>
>>
>>
>>Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>>For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>>JUNE 6, 2022
>>https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-is
>>- using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> news:v20roa$er45$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB1725A27D8D6B629555@185.151.15.160...
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:663f7342$0
>>>>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. They don't want to be recharging their cars as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also,
>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>> studies
>>>>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>>>> frequently
>>>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>>>> so moving parts at best. After
>>>>>>> five years of driving the only
>>>>>>> thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>>>> a windshield.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>> my personal experience with the issue
>>>>> which you have none.
>>>>>
>>>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners
>>>> and experts are saying.
>>>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually you are right. EV's
>>> are not for everyone everywhere,
>>> no one said they were.
>>>
>> So you made this thread be about only your wonderful experience with
>> them (so far), plus a few here who agree with you.
>>
>
> I didn't make this thread.
>
>>> And ICE
>>> vehicles are not for everyone
>>> everywhere.
>>>
>> That's right. We should no longer be using 150+ year old ancient
>> combustion tech any more. We are only doing so because of massive
>> corruption.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Silent But Deadly: The Case for
>>> Electrifying Military Vehicles
>>> NOV 17, 2023
>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>>>
>> Corrupt Biden is pushing EVs like there's no tomorrow.
>>
>> "Getting this fuel to remote areas of the world is an arduous task
>> that’s not only expensive..."
>> So is building recharging stations all over the place for military
>> use. And what if the enemy bombs the power stations? What then?
>>
>
> And militaries haven't been
> bombing fuel depots for decades?

fuel depots can be numerous, located anywhere, and any size. charging
stations need the power grid. if power utilities are bombed all charging
stations connected to them will be disabled.

>>>
>>> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>>> 2/4/2022
>>> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-want
>>> s- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>>> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>>> JUNE 6, 2022
>>> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-is
>>> - using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

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"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
news:laidi3Flgh2U1@mid.individual.net:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>> news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:663f7342$0
>>>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. They don't want to be recharging their cars as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a
>>>>>>>>>>> fuel tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also,
>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>> studies
>>>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>>> frequently
>>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> often
>>>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>>> so moving parts at best. After
>>>>>> five years of driving the only
>>>>>> thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>>> a windshield.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>
>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>> my personal experience with the issue
>>>> which you have none.
>>>>
>>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners
>>> and experts are saying.
>>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>>
>>
>> Actually you are right. EV's
>> are not for everyone everywhere,
>> no one said they were. And ICE
>> vehicles are not for everyone
>> everywhere.
>>
>
> where are ICE vehicles not suitable transport where EV's would be?
>

On the Moon. And Mars. Anywhere
where silent tansport is critical,
anywhere where hauling around large
quantities of liguid fuel is a
handicap.

>>
>> Silent But Deadly: The Case for
>> Electrifying Military Vehicles
>> NOV 17, 2023
>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>>
>
> "..the verbiage specifically references non-combat vehicles used to
> get around military posts and bases"
>
>> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>> 2/4/2022
>> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-wan
>> ts- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>
>
> "..focused on developing a zero emissions non-tactical vehicle fleet"
>
>>
>> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>> JUNE 6, 2022
>> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-i
>> s- using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>
>
> big deal.
>
> the idea of having electric combat vehicles is ludicrous.

Really? If you need to sneak 200
pounds of weapons 30 miles behind enemy
lines in an hour how else are you going
to do it? As the Ukraine has shown
electic motorcycles do the trick.

fuel can be
> transported to where it's needed. electric vehicles need a charging
> facility available. tanks can be heard a mile away, what difference
> would electric drive make? etc., etc.,

Hauling tons of fuel to a remote
location is cumbersome, hauling an
array of solar panels is lighter and
does not need constant replenishment.

US Department of Defense embracing
electric military vehicles using
GM�s Ultium Platform
Oct 7 2022
https://electrek.co/2022/10/07/us-department-of-defense-embracing-
electric-military-vehicles/

Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote in
news:vrk74jt6hq96urshehc7du6smv3nrhm01t@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:40:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote in
>>news:tap44j54b0m10s06trfetm51tu5n8a32lp@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 17:29:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
>>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>>>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>>>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>>>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>>>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>>>>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4
wheeling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And we laugh at you shivering
>>>>>> at the gas pump and complaining
>>>>>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>>>>>> about your catalytic converter
>>>>>> getting stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in
>>>>> queue waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to
>>>>> charge up
>>>>the
>>>>> car :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That has never happened to me.
>>>>The Tslsa map of chargers shows
>>>>which ones are in use so you can
>>>>steer to one that is vacant. At
>>>>our big megastions - Buckees -
>>>>they have 40 chargers per location,
>>>>of which maybe five or six are in
>>>>use at any given time. Stop, hook
>>>>up, go inside for a borrito and
>>>>popcorn, and the car is charged
>>>>up when you get back. Really no
>>>>differnt than getting a tank of
>>>>gas in terms of time. And of
>>>>course that is just on road trips,
>>>>normally I charge up at home.
>>>>For free.
>>>
>>> None of our arguments will convince the EV skeptics here. It's not
>>> about the costs, the time it takes to charge, the range, the
>>> environmental impact, or anything like that. No, EV's are for
>>> leftists. Extreme, liberal, woke, socialist, lib, dem, elitist, deep
>>> state leftists. And that's why they hate EV's.
>>
>>
>> So true. They love "right thinking
>>conservative businessman" Elon Musk but
>>think Texlas are lefty woke plot to
>>destroy our whole way of life. Go figure.
>
> The Elon Musk, one of the richest people on Earth, but not part of the
> cabal/elite/deep state?
>

Yeah, that one needs explaining too.........

In article <laijaeFm955U1@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
says...
>
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> > news:v20roa$er45$1@dont-email.me:
> >
> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> >> news:XnsB1725A27D8D6B629555@185.151.15.160...
> >>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>> news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>
> >>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> >>>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
> >>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>>>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
> >>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
> >>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
> >>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:663f7342$0
> >>>>>>>>> $2363145
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
> >>>>>>> noemail@aol.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. They don't want to be recharging their cars as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fuel tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
> >>>>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also,
> >>>>>>>>>> recent
> >>>>>>> studies
> >>>>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
> >>>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
> >>>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
> >>>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
> >>>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
> >>>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
> >>>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
> >>>>>>> frequently
> >>>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> often
> >>>>>>>> not even possible.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cost of what repair?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
> >>>>>>> so moving parts at best. After
> >>>>>>> five years of driving the only
> >>>>>>> thing I replaced are tires and
> >>>>>>> a windshield.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, I am stating the present from
> >>>>> my personal experience with the issue
> >>>>> which you have none.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners
> >>>> and experts are saying.
> >>>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Actually you are right. EV's
> >>> are not for everyone everywhere,
> >>> no one said they were.
> >>>
> >> So you made this thread be about only your wonderful experience with
> >> them (so far), plus a few here who agree with you.
> >>
> >
> > I didn't make this thread.
> >
> >>> And ICE
> >>> vehicles are not for everyone
> >>> everywhere.
> >>>
> >> That's right. We should no longer be using 150+ year old ancient
> >> combustion tech any more. We are only doing so because of massive
> >> corruption.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Silent But Deadly: The Case for
> >>> Electrifying Military Vehicles
> >>> NOV 17, 2023
> >>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
> >>>
> >> Corrupt Biden is pushing EVs like there's no tomorrow.
> >>
> >> "Getting this fuel to remote areas of the world is an arduous task
> >> that�s not only expensive..."
> >> So is building recharging stations all over the place for military
> >> use. And what if the enemy bombs the power stations? What then?
> >>
> >
> > And militaries haven't been
> > bombing fuel depots for decades?
>
> fuel depots can be numerous, located anywhere, and any size. charging
> stations need the power grid. if power utilities are bombed all charging
> stations connected to them will be disabled.
>
One EMP can shut them down.

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
> news:laidi3Flgh2U1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:663f7342$0
>>>>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. They don't want to be recharging their cars as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also,
>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>> studies
>>>>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>>>> frequently
>>>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>>>> so moving parts at best. After
>>>>>>> five years of driving the only
>>>>>>> thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>>>> a windshield.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>> my personal experience with the issue
>>>>> which you have none.
>>>>>
>>>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners
>>>> and experts are saying.
>>>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>>>
>>> Actually you are right. EV's
>>> are not for everyone everywhere,
>>> no one said they were. And ICE
>>> vehicles are not for everyone
>>> everywhere.
>>>
>> where are ICE vehicles not suitable transport where EV's would be?
>>
> On the Moon. And Mars. Anywhere
> where silent tansport is critical,
> anywhere where hauling around large
> quantities of liguid fuel is a
> handicap.
>
>
>
>>> Silent But Deadly: The Case for
>>> Electrifying Military Vehicles
>>> NOV 17, 2023
>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>>>
>> "..the verbiage specifically references non-combat vehicles used to
>> get around military posts and bases"
>>
>>> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>>> 2/4/2022
>>> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-wan
>>> ts- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>>
>> "..focused on developing a zero emissions non-tactical vehicle fleet"
>>
>>> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>>> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>>> JUNE 6, 2022
>>> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-i
>>> s- using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>>
>> big deal.
>>
>> the idea of having electric combat vehicles is ludicrous.
>
> Really? If you need to sneak 200
> pounds of weapons 30 miles behind enemy
> lines in an hour how else are you going
> to do it? As the Ukraine has shown
> electic motorcycles do the trick.
>

those are not combat vehicles they're transport vehicles

>
>> fuel can be
>> transported to where it's needed. electric vehicles need a charging
>> facility available. tanks can be heard a mile away, what difference
>> would electric drive make? etc., etc.,
>
> Hauling tons of fuel to a remote
> location is cumbersome, hauling an
> array of solar panels is lighter and
> does not need constant replenishment.

how many solar panels are needed to charge a platoon of tanks

>
>
>
> US Department of Defense embracing
> electric military vehicles using
> GM’s Ultium Platform
> Oct 7 2022
> https://electrek.co/2022/10/07/us-department-of-defense-embracing-
> electric-military-vehicles/
>