On Thu, 9 May 2024 16:01:49 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la376dFcij9U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>
>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>>
>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>>> things for no reason.
>>
>> And for thousands of years.
>>
>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>
>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>
>>
>
>my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.

Exactly what evidence do you have that cannot be explained
any other way?

>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 9/05/2024 4:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build
>>>>> churches"?
>>>>
>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't
>>>> do things for no reason.
>>>
>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>
>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>
>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>
> Why do you have the predisposition to make all these silly sweeping
> statements? It just makes you look immature.

theists aren't objective. no matter what proof or evidence you give them
that some belief is false, they'll just quote the bible.

>
> What are you expecting from a believer? To not believe? To what?
> Believe you?
> But what proof or evidence do you have for the claim there is no God?
>
>

it's not possible to prove a negative. you should know that. but there's
evidence for no God in the form of rational, logical, argument, science,
knowledge, and the absence of proof God exists.

>
>
> Michael Christ
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila wrote:
> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila < wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>> was...
>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>> yet known.
>>>> you wrote:
>>>> "creation took place"
>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>> occurred.
>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
> Since I never said that. no.
>
> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
> created or that any god exists.
>
> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>
>
>>
>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>
>>
>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>
>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>
>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>
>> dats it.
>>
>>
>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>
>>
>> you died.
> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
> that I had before I was born.
>
>

https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 16:04:29 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la37bdFcij9U2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond
>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond
>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power
>>>>>>> over nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>>>> Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined like
>>>>>> that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the word 'supernatural'.
>>>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>>>> OK I googled, and found this:
>>>>
>>>> https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>>>
>>>> It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>>>> purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>>>> evidence.
>>> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that
>>> opened. Use any definition you like since all of them
>>> describe a super being of some kind,
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=god&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS877US878&oq=god&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAEEUYOxixAxiABDIMCAAQRRg7GLEDGIAEMg0IARAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IAhAuGIMBGLEDGIAEMhMIAxAuGIMBGMcBGLEDGNEDGIAEMg0IBBAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBRAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBhAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMg0IBxAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0ICBAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMgcICRAAGI8C0gEJNTgxN2owajE1qAIIsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
>>>
>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>>> existence of any being superior to an ordinary person.
>>>
>> me! I am! :)
> No, there are a lot of people that think that way. But
> since there can only be one (if any) the subject is too
> ambiguous for any conclusion.
>

it was just a joke..

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 16:01:49 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la376dFcij9U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>>>> things for no reason.
>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>
>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>
>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>
>>>
>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
> Exactly what evidence do you have that cannot be explained
> any other way?

you expect me to have examined all the evidence for God? I just say
there's evidence but nothing about it.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>> occurred.
>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>> Since I never said that. no.
>>
>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>> created or that any god exists.
>>
>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>
>>>
>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>
>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>
>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>
>>> dats it.
>>>
>>>
>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>
>>>
>>> you died.
>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>> that I had before I was born.
>>
>>
>
>https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4

It sounds like our opinions basically agree.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:51:46 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la42niFgid5U2@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 16:04:29 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <la37bdFcij9U2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond
>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power
>>>>>>>> over nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>>>>> Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined like
>>>>>>> that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the word 'supernatural'.
>>>>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>>>>> OK I googled, and found this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>>>>> purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>>>>> evidence.
>>>> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that
>>>> opened. Use any definition you like since all of them
>>>> describe a super being of some kind,
>>>>
>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=god&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS877US878&oq=god&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAEEUYOxixAxiABDIMCAAQRRg7GLEDGIAEMg0IARAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IAhAuGIMBGLEDGIAEMhMIAxAuGIMBGMcBGLEDGNEDGIAEMg0IBBAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBRAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBhAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMg0IBxAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0ICBAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMgcICRAAGI8C0gEJNTgxN2owajE1qAIIsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>>>> existence of any being superior to an ordinary person.
>>>>
>>> me! I am! :)
>> No, there are a lot of people that think that way. But
>> since there can only be one (if any) the subject is too
>> ambiguous for any conclusion.
>>
>
>it was just a joke..

It is difficult to identify a joke when so many opinions I
think are beyond amusement are seriously offered here.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Thu, 9 May 2024 19:57:01 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
message-id <v1i6le$j3qa$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 9/05/2024 4:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>>>
>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>>>> things for no reason.
>>>
>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>
>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>
>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>
>Why do you have the predisposition to make all these silly sweeping
>statements? It just makes you look immature.
>
>What are you expecting from a believer? To not believe? To what? Believe
>you? But what proof or evidence do you have for the claim there is no God?

Exactly where was a proactive statement that there is no god
made? I suspect you once again accuse someone of saying
something that was not said.

You do that a lot.

>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:33:31 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la41leFge29U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 9/05/2024 4:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build
>>>>>> churches"?
>>>>>
>>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't
>>>>> do things for no reason.
>>>>
>>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>>
>>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>>
>>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>>
>> Why do you have the predisposition to make all these silly sweeping
>> statements? It just makes you look immature.
>
>theists aren't objective. no matter what proof or evidence you give them
>that some belief is false, they'll just quote the bible.

Which is amusing since that source has no unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible supporting evidence.

>
>>
>> What are you expecting from a believer? To not believe? To what?
>> Believe you?
>> But what proof or evidence do you have for the claim there is no God?
>>
>>
>
>it's not possible to prove a negative. you should know that. but there's
>evidence for no God in the form of rational, logical, argument, science,
>knowledge, and the absence of proof God exists.

Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist

>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:54:17 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la42saFgid5U3@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 16:01:49 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <la376dFcij9U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>>>>> things for no reason.
>>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>>
>>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>>
>>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>> Exactly what evidence do you have that cannot be explained
>> any other way?
>
>you expect me to have examined all the evidence for God? I just say
>there's evidence but nothing about it.

Unless you can support or at least identify that evidence
you are doing nothing more than venturing an opinion or
belief.

Anyone can have any opinion or belief desired without
support.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
> >> >
> >> >you agree there was some verification for an
> >> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
> >>
> >> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
> >> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
> >> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
> >> them.
> >>
> >> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
> >> we exist.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >'In the beginning, God
> >> >created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >>
> >> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
> >> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
> >>
> >> Since it is unverified it is useless.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Next in reverse engineering is
> >> >
> >> >"created"
> >> >'...created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
> >> >was...
> >> >'created'???
> >>
> >> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
> >> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
> >> yet known.
> >
> >you wrote:
> >"creation took place"
>
> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
> occurred.
>
> >
> >
> >That means you agree creation took place.
>
> Wrong. See above.
>
> >
> >
> >What's next on my reverse engineering list?
> >
> >
> >You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>
> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>
> >
> >
> >Next is God...God created
> >the heavens and the earth.
>
> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>
> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>
> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
> referring to one.
>
> >
> >
> >What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>
> 1.
> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
> authority; the supreme being.

I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God?

and You picked Your Christian God.

So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian!

Typical atheists.

Your girlfriend Christian too, right?

It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too!

But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's.

Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...

teach me.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>> >> >
>> >> >you agree there was some verification for an
>> >> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>> >>
>> >> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>> >> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>> >> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>> >> we exist.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >'In the beginning, God
>> >> >created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >>
>> >> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>> >> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>> >>
>> >> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Next in reverse engineering is
>> >> >
>> >> >"created"
>> >> >'...created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>> >> >was...
>> >> >'created'???
>> >>
>> >> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>> >> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>> >> yet known.
>> >
>> >you wrote:
>> >"creation took place"
>>
>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>> occurred.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >That means you agree creation took place.
>>
>> Wrong. See above.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>> >
>> >
>> >You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>>
>> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Next is God...God created
>> >the heavens and the earth.
>>
>> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
>> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
>> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>>
>> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>>
>> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
>> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
>> referring to one.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>>
>> 1.
>> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
>> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
>> authority; the supreme being.
>
>
>I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God?

Did you miss the " other monotheistic religions" part? I
did not include those with multi-gods (such as Hind and
ancient Egyptian because I have seen few advocates here.

>
>
>
>and You picked Your Christian God.

Not mine.

>
>So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian!
>
>
>Typical atheists.
>
>
>Your girlfriend Christian too, right?
>
>
>It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too!

Is? I thought he was dead.

>
>
>But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's.

I speak standard English and use definitions that are common
to most English speaking people. If I posted in Klingon I
doubt may people would know what I was saying.

>
>
>Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...

Why? It would mean nothing to me.

>
>
>teach me.

Sorry. I don't attempt the impossible.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> >
> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>
> Why? It would mean nothing to me.

So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...

You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."

Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>>
>> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
>
>
>So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
>
>
>You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
>
>
>Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.

What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
important.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
> >>
> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
> >
> >
> >So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
> >
> >
> >You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
> >
> >
> >Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.
>
> What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
> post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
> some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
> important.

You *just* gave everyone YOUR definition of God.

Here is your definition of God: "It would mean nothing to me."

"It" refers to God...

"..would mean nothing to me."

means, God means Nothing to you.

So, does God mean something to you, or
God means Nothing to you?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Thu, 09 May 2024 14:23:36 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663D3ED8.181@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>> >>
>> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
>> >
>> >
>> >So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
>> >
>> >
>> >You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
>> >
>> >
>> >Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.
>>
>> What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
>> post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
>> some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
>> important.
>
>You *just* gave everyone YOUR definition of God.
>
>Here is your definition of God: "It would mean nothing to me."

That is hardly a definition.

I would point out the subject being addressed was
definition. Therefore "it" is obviously the said
definition. It definition means nothing to me because I
don't consider the subject "god" important enough to bother
with.

>
>
>"It" refers to God...
>
>"..would mean nothing to me."
>
>
>means, God means Nothing to you.
>
>
>So, does God mean something to you, or
>God means Nothing to you?

Nothing to me. I have never kept it a secret.

But Jesus loves you.
Everyone else thinks you are an asshole.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 9/05/2024 11:33 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 9/05/2024 4:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build
>>>>>> churches"?
>>>>>
>>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't
>>>>> do things for no reason.
>>>>
>>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>>
>>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>>
>>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>>
>> Why do you have the predisposition to make all these silly sweeping
>> statements? It just makes you look immature.
>
> theists aren't objective. no matter what proof or evidence you give them
> that some belief is false, they'll just quote the bible.

You don't know all believers! There is the evidence of a sweeping
statement because of a biassed agenda. And what proof or evidence have
you got that tells us all there is no God?

For the record, once you know there is a God, you know, and you wouldn't
disavow what you know either, like a hand is not a foot.

>> What are you expecting from a believer? To not believe? To what?
>> Believe you? But what proof or evidence do you have for the claim
>> there is no God?
>>
>>
>
> it's not possible to prove a negative. you should know that.

You avoided all the questions with a slapstick answer that pretends to
say something.

Besides, experience of life is personal experience.

Here we are yet again at what you have already been told...

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

Additionally, please bear in mind in your awesome glory seeing all
experience of life, something is not necessarily a negative because you
say so, and something is not necessarily a positive because you say so.

> but there's
> evidence for no God in the form of rational, logical, argument, science,
> knowledge, and the absence of proof God exists.

So, you do try to prove a negative, anyway! :-). [shakin' head]. You
contradict yourself.

You don't know yourself, Maximus. There is no proof or evidence that
there is no God; that much is certain, or you would provide something,
anything. Certainly, everything did it itself is not evidence or proof;
that's insanity.

Anyway, to you, there is no evidence of God, but not to billions, no
matter what religion they claim. So, whatever you say goes both ways in
a "reasoned" argument.

But you say there is evidence for God by reason that people don't do
things for no reason, yet you arbitrarily cast the evidence you claim
aside anyway, which speaks of disingenuousness and a strongly biassed
agenda.

Michael Christ

>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

On 10/05/2024 12:12 am, Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 19:57:01 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
> message-id <v1i6le$j3qa$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 9/05/2024 4:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>>>>
>>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>>>>> things for no reason.
>>>>
>>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>>
>>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>>
>>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>>
>> Why do you have the predisposition to make all these silly sweeping
>> statements? It just makes you look immature.
>>
>> What are you expecting from a believer? To not believe? To what? Believe
>> you? But what proof or evidence do you have for the claim there is no God?
>
> Exactly where was a proactive statement that there is no god
> made? I suspect you once again accuse someone of saying
> something that was not said >
> You do that a lot.

The point was, Fella, not your point or your context. You do that all
the time.

It works both ways because..............................

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

We are subjective beings, not objective beings. You should that by now
being 120 years old!

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

On 10/05/2024 12:14 am, Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:33:31 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la41leFge29U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 9/05/2024 4:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build
>>>>>>> churches"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't
>>>>>> do things for no reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>>>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>>>
>>> Why do you have the predisposition to make all these silly sweeping
>>> statements? It just makes you look immature.
>>
>> theists aren't objective. no matter what proof or evidence you give them
>> that some belief is false, they'll just quote the bible.
>
> Which is amusing since that source has no unambiguous,
> unrelated, verifiable and credible supporting evidence.

Waffle.

You do not equate to all reality and the foundation all men must rely on
for a true foundation.

It has all been said before, again and again.

>
>>
>>>
>>> What are you expecting from a believer? To not believe? To what?
>>> Believe you?
>>> But what proof or evidence do you have for the claim there is no God?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> it's not possible to prove a negative. you should know that. but there's
>> evidence for no God in the form of rational, logical, argument, science,
>> knowledge, and the absence of proof God exists.
>
> Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
> it does exist

So, you have said nothing as though it is something.

Well done. :-).

Michael Christ
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

On 10/05/2024 12:17 am, Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:54:17 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la42saFgid5U3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 16:01:49 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <la376dFcij9U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>>>>>> things for no reason.
>>>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>>>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>>> Exactly what evidence do you have that cannot be explained
>>> any other way?
>>
>> you expect me to have examined all the evidence for God? I just say
>> there's evidence but nothing about it.
>
> Unless you can support or at least identify that evidence

> you are doing nothing more than venturing an opinion or
> belief.

That is all people ever do, you silly atheist.

Michael Christ

>
> Anyone can have any opinion or belief desired without
> support.
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>> occurred.
>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>
>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>
>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>
>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>
>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>
>>>> dats it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you died.
>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>
>>>
>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>

definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 19:57:01 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
> message-id <v1i6le$j3qa$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 9/05/2024 4:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>>>>> things for no reason.
>>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>>
>>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>>
>>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>> Why do you have the predisposition to make all these silly sweeping
>> statements? It just makes you look immature.
>>
>> What are you expecting from a believer? To not believe? To what? Believe
>> you? But what proof or evidence do you have for the claim there is no God?
> Exactly where was a proactive statement that there is no god
> made? I suspect you once again accuse someone of saying
> something that was not said.
>
> You do that a lot.
>

yes. I did notice but I addressed it anyway

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:54:17 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la42saFgid5U3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 16:01:49 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <la376dFcij9U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>>>>>> things for no reason.
>>>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
>>>> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>>> Exactly what evidence do you have that cannot be explained
>>> any other way?
>> you expect me to have examined all the evidence for God? I just say
>> there's evidence but nothing about it.
> Unless you can support or at least identify that evidence

I believe we have discussed the nature of the evidence.. the existence
of Churches, Mosques, etc,. billions of adherents, billions of books
written, holy books, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, the apostles, etc., etc.,

> you are doing nothing more than venturing an opinion or
> belief.

it is my belief because the mere existence of the aforesaid is prima
facie evidence

> Anyone can have any opinion or belief desired without
> support.
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila < wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>> was...
>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>> yet known.
>>>> you wrote:
>>>> "creation took place"
>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>> occurred.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That means you agree creation took place.
>>> Wrong. See above.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>>> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Next is God...God created
>>>> the heavens and the earth.
>>> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
>>> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
>>> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>>>
>>> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>>>
>>> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
>>> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
>>> referring to one.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>>> 1.
>>> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
>>> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
>>> authority; the supreme being.
>>
>> I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God?
> Did you miss the " other monotheistic religions" part? I
> did not include those with multi-gods (such as Hind and
> ancient Egyptian because I have seen few advocates here.
>
>>
>>
>> and You picked Your Christian God.
> Not mine.
>
>> So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian!
>>
>>
>> Typical atheists.
>>
>>
>> Your girlfriend Christian too, right?
>>
>>
>> It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too!
> Is? I thought he was dead.
>
>>
>> But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's.
> I speak standard English and use definitions that are common
> to most English speaking people. If I posted in Klingon I
> doubt may people would know what I was saying.
>
>>
>> Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
> Why? It would mean nothing to me.

exactly. it's not for atheists to define God.

>>
>> teach me.
> Sorry. I don't attempt the impossible.
>

:)

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 9/05/2024 11:33 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 9/05/2024 4:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build
>>>>>>> churches"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl
>>>>>> don't do things for no reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> And for thousands of years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like
>>>> to think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.
>>>
>>> Why do you have the predisposition to make all these silly sweeping
>>> statements? It just makes you look immature.
>>
>> theists aren't objective.

it's a generalization. like Italians gesticulate a lot

>> no matter what proof or evidence you give them that some belief is
>> false, they'll just quote the bible.
>
> You don't know all believers!

neither do you

> There is the evidence of a sweeping statement because of a biassed
> agenda.

so I can say the same about you.

> And what proof or evidence have you got that tells us all there is no
> God?
>
> For the record, once you know there is a God, you know, and you
> wouldn't disavow what you know either, like a hand is not a foot.
>
>
>>> What are you expecting from a believer? To not believe? To what?
>>> Believe you? But what proof or evidence do you have for the claim
>>> there is no God?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> it's not possible to prove a negative. you should know that.
>
> You avoided all the questions with a slapstick answer that pretends to
> say something.
>
> Besides, experience of life is personal experience.
>
> Here we are yet again at what you have already been told...
>
> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> willingness to believe."

and you've been told that's a nonsense, and you're nutty as a fruitcake

>
> Additionally, please bear in mind in your awesome glory seeing all
> experience of life, something is not necessarily a negative because
> you say so, and something is not necessarily a positive because you
> say so.
>
>
>> but there's evidence for no God in the form of rational, logical,
>> argument, science, knowledge, and the absence of proof God exists.
>
> So, you do try to prove a negative, anyway! :-). [shakin' head]. You
> contradict yourself.
>
> You don't know yourself, Maximus. There is no proof or evidence that
> there is no God; that much is certain, or you would provide something,
> anything. Certainly, everything did it itself is not evidence or
> proof; that's insanity.
>
> Anyway, to you, there is no evidence of God, but not to billions, no
> matter what religion they claim. So, whatever you say goes both ways
> in a "reasoned" argument.
>
> But you say there is evidence for God by reason that people don't do
> things for no reason, yet you arbitrarily cast the evidence you claim
> aside anyway, which speaks of disingenuousness and a strongly biassed
> agenda.
>
>

there are reasons to believe in God and reasons not to. ppl make up
their own mind.

>
>
> Michael Christ
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"