On Wed, 8 May 2024 00:00:31 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9uqg4Fmr57U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Richmond wrote:
>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>
>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>> needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>> needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>> For some that is all that is needed. Not for me.
>>>
>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>
>this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>things for no reason.

That is why they predict the future using chicken guts and
fear black cats.

>
>> Then it is all that is needed by definition. Always start by defining
>> your terms, it saves time in the long run.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:

> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond
> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>
>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>
>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power
>>> over nature, the universe, or human life".
>>
>>Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined like
>>that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the word 'supernatural'.
>
> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.

OK I googled, and found this:

https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1

It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
evidence.

On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond
<dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:

>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond
>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>
>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power
>>>> over nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>
>>>Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined like
>>>that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the word 'supernatural'.
>>
>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>
>OK I googled, and found this:
>
>https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>
>It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>evidence.

I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that
opened. Use any definition you like since all of them
describe a super being of some kind,

https://www.google.com/search?q=god&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS877US878&oq=god&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAEEUYOxixAxiABDIMCAAQRRg7GLEDGIAEMg0IARAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IAhAuGIMBGLEDGIAEMhMIAxAuGIMBGMcBGLEDGNEDGIAEMg0IBBAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBRAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBhAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMg0IBxAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0ICBAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMgcICRAAGI8C0gEJNTgxN2owajE1qAIIsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any being superior to an ordinary person.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:

> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
> alt.atheism with message-id
> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>
>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power over
>>>>> nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>>
>>>>Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined like
>>>>that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the word
>>>>'supernatural'.
>>>
>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>>
>>OK I googled, and found this:
>>
>>https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>
>>It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>>purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>>evidence.
>
> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that opened.
> Use any definition you like since all of them describe a super being
> of some kind,

You should perhaps look up "super" and "supernatural" as these are
different words with different meanings.
>
> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
> being superior to an ordinary person.

A king is superior to an ordinary person.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/super

2 : very large or powerful

a super atomic bomb

Also you should consider that the universe is 90 billion light years
across, and at the time the bible was written, they could not possibly
have known this, so, creator of the universe is a modern and not a
biblical definition. It cannot possibly be a correct understanding of
what people considered god in those days.

Richmond wrote:
> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id
>> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power over
>>>>>> nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined like
>>>>> that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the word
>>>>> 'supernatural'.
>>>>
>>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>>>
>>> OK I googled, and found this:
>>>
>>> https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>>
>>> It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>>> purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>>> evidence.
>>
>> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that opened.
>> Use any definition you like since all of them describe a super being
>> of some kind,
>
> You should perhaps look up "super" and "supernatural" as these are
> different words with different meanings.
>>
>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
>> being superior to an ordinary person.
>
> A king is superior to an ordinary person.
>
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/super
>
> 2 : very large or powerful
>
> a super atomic bomb
>
> Also you should consider that the universe is 90 billion light years
> across, and at the time the bible was written, they could not possibly
> have known this, so, creator of the universe is a modern and not a
> biblical definition. It cannot possibly be a correct understanding of
> what people considered god in those days.
>
if you weren't there you don't know what they did

On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:27:13 +0100, Richmond
<dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<86zft1scji.fsf@example.com> wrote:

>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id
>> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power over
>>>>>> nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>>>
>>>>>Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined like
>>>>>that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the word
>>>>>'supernatural'.
>>>>
>>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>>>
>>>OK I googled, and found this:
>>>
>>>https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>>
>>>It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>>>purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>>>evidence.
>>
>> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that opened.
>> Use any definition you like since all of them describe a super being
>> of some kind,
>
>You should perhaps look up "super" and "supernatural" as these are
>different words with different meanings.

I am aware of the difference. I used the lesser term
deliberately but if you prefer supernatural feel free to use
it.

>>
>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
>> being superior to an ordinary person.
>
>A king is superior to an ordinary person.

Not really other than the power that results from his
position. If any.

>
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/super
>
>2 : very large or powerful
>
>a super atomic bomb

Hardly a person or entity.

>
>Also you should consider that the universe is 90 billion light years
>across, and at the time the bible was written, they could not possibly
>have known this, so, creator of the universe is a modern and not a
>biblical definition. It cannot possibly be a correct understanding of
>what people considered god in those days.

Most modern people could be considered gods two millennia
ago. But no one has ever done much of what is described in
dogma.

Dance all you like - I will not change my position without
evidence that convinces me.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 2024-05-07, Attila <> wrote:
> --
>
> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
[snip]

It would be great if you could mark this signature as a signature by adding the
trailing space after the two hyphens. Newsreaders look for it. Reference: RFC
3676, section 4.3.

Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:

> On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:27:13 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
> alt.atheism with message-id
> <86zft1scji.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>
>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power
>>>>>>> over nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined
>>>>>>like that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the
>>>>>>word 'supernatural'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>>>>
>>>>OK I googled, and found this:
>>>>
>>>>https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>>>
>>>>It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>>>>purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>>>>evidence.
>>>
>>> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that opened.
>>> Use any definition you like since all of them describe a super being
>>> of some kind,
>>
>>You should perhaps look up "super" and "supernatural" as these are
>>different words with different meanings.
>
> I am aware of the difference. I used the lesser term deliberately but
> if you prefer supernatural feel free to use it.
>

It's not lesser, it is different. You are never going to get any
evidence of the supernatural, by definition, so it is a waste of time
asking for it.

>>>
>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
>>> being superior to an ordinary person.
>>
>>A king is superior to an ordinary person.
>
> Not really other than the power that results from his position. If
> any.

That's all that is required by the definition. It says very large OR
poweful.

>
>>
>>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/super
>>
>>2 : very large or powerful
>>
>>a super atomic bomb
>
> Hardly a person or entity.

That's an example from the dictionary, nothing to do with this
discussion.

>
>>
>>Also you should consider that the universe is 90 billion light years
>>across, and at the time the bible was written, they could not possibly
>>have known this, so, creator of the universe is a modern and not a
>>biblical definition. It cannot possibly be a correct understanding of
>>what people considered god in those days.
>
> Most modern people could be considered gods two millennia ago. But no
> one has ever done much of what is described in dogma.
>
> Dance all you like - I will not change my position without evidence
> that convinces me.

I am not dancing, I don't mind what your position is. But the point is,
you don't have any idea what god was to people who lived 2000-6000 years
ago. They had a different view of themselves and the world. They didn't
have the subject of psychology, and they thought demons were part of the
world, whereas we think demons are part of the unconscious. But the
effects are real either way.

On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>
>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>> needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>> needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>
>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>
> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
> things for no reason.

And for thousands of years.

Wow! You are actually beginning to think!

Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!

Michael Christ

>
>> Then it is all that is needed by definition. Always start by defining
>> your terms, it saves time in the long run.
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On 8/05/2024 12:52 am, Attila wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2024 00:00:31 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9uqg4Fmr57U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Richmond wrote:
>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>> For some that is all that is needed. Not for me.
>>>>
>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>
>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>> things for no reason.
>
> That is why they predict the future using chicken guts and
> fear black cats.

Perhaps Maximus will see what a bigoted straw man bozo you really are?

Michael Christ

>
>>
>>> Then it is all that is needed by definition. Always start by defining
>>> your terms, it saves time in the long run.
>
> --
>
> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
> and abhorrent.
> Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
>
> Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
> as I prefer to call them
>
> The most dangerous enemies the United States has:
>
> Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
> supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
> Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
> Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
> Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
> Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
> have stepped over the line and are working against
> the country and what it stands for.
>
> Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
>
> Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
> Go WOKE. Go broke.
> CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
> DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
> End all social engineering programs.
>
> I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
> face with what she has to say.
>
> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> Apple?
>
> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> It is the business of no one else.
>
> There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
> She want's it. All else is irrelevant
>
> I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
>
> Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

On Tue, 07 May 2024 21:11:54 +0100, Richmond
<dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<86v83ps7p1.fsf@example.com> wrote:

>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:27:13 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id
>> <86zft1scji.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power
>>>>>>>> over nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined
>>>>>>>like that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the
>>>>>>>word 'supernatural'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>>>>>
>>>>>OK I googled, and found this:
>>>>>
>>>>>https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>>>>>purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>>>>>evidence.
>>>>
>>>> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that opened.
>>>> Use any definition you like since all of them describe a super being
>>>> of some kind,
>>>
>>>You should perhaps look up "super" and "supernatural" as these are
>>>different words with different meanings.
>>
>> I am aware of the difference. I used the lesser term deliberately but
>> if you prefer supernatural feel free to use it.
>>
>
>It's not lesser, it is different. You are never going to get any
>evidence of the supernatural, by definition, so it is a waste of time
>asking for it.

I neither expect to get or ask for such evidence. I never
expect to see any evidence supporting the existence of any
god.

>
>>>>
>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
>>>> being superior to an ordinary person.
>>>
>>>A king is superior to an ordinary person.
>>
>> Not really other than the power that results from his position. If
>> any.
>
>That's all that is required by the definition. It says very large OR
>poweful.

I suppose a seven foot man is automatically a king. Yet in
my country we do not recognize such people.

>
>>
>>>
>>>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/super
>>>
>>>2 : very large or powerful
>>>
>>>a super atomic bomb
>>
>> Hardly a person or entity.
>
>That's an example from the dictionary, nothing to do with this
>discussion.

Nor does a king.

>
>>
>>>
>>>Also you should consider that the universe is 90 billion light years
>>>across, and at the time the bible was written, they could not possibly
>>>have known this, so, creator of the universe is a modern and not a
>>>biblical definition. It cannot possibly be a correct understanding of
>>>what people considered god in those days.
>>
>> Most modern people could be considered gods two millennia ago. But no
>> one has ever done much of what is described in dogma.
>>
>> Dance all you like - I will not change my position without evidence
>> that convinces me.
>
>I am not dancing, I don't mind what your position is. But the point is,
>you don't have any idea what god was to people who lived 2000-6000 years
>ago. They had a different view of themselves and the world. They didn't
>have the subject of psychology, and they thought demons were part of the
>world, whereas we think demons are part of the unconscious. But the
>effects are real either way.

I am well aware that most people thousands of years ago ( as
well as most people today) think there such things as gods
and demons.

Absent supporting evidence I reject such claims.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Tue, 7 May 2024 19:01:24 -0000 (UTC), Edward McGuire
<metaed@metaed.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<slrnv3kuk4.27d.metaed@newjersey.metaed.com> wrote:

>On 2024-05-07, Attila <> wrote:
>> --
>>
>> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
>[snip]
>
>It would be great if you could mark this signature as a signature by adding the
>trailing space after the two hyphens. Newsreaders look for it. Reference: RFC
>3676, section 4.3.

Opps. I made an edit and somehow screwed that up. Thanks

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
> >
> >you agree there was some verification for an
> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>
> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
> them.
>
> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
> we exist.
>
> >
> >'In the beginning, God
> >created the heavens and
> >the earth.'
>
> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>
> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>
> >
> >
> >Next in reverse engineering is
> >
> >"created"
> >'...created the heavens and
> >the earth.'
> >
> >
> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
> >was...
> >'created'???
>
> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
> yet known.

you wrote:
"creation took place"

That means you agree creation took place.

What's next on my reverse engineering list?

You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...

Next is God...God created
the heavens and the earth.

What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>> >
>> >you agree there was some verification for an
>> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>
>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>> them.
>>
>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>> we exist.
>>
>> >
>> >'In the beginning, God
>> >created the heavens and
>> >the earth.'
>>
>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>
>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Next in reverse engineering is
>> >
>> >"created"
>> >'...created the heavens and
>> >the earth.'
>> >
>> >
>> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>> >was...
>> >'created'???
>>
>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>> yet known.
>
>you wrote:
>"creation took place"

"Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
occurred.

>
>
>That means you agree creation took place.

Wrong. See above.

>
>
>What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>
>
>You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...

Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.

>
>
>Next is God...God created
>the heavens and the earth.

If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.

IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.

I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
referring to one.

>
>
>What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?

1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
authority; the supreme being.
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit
worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a
deity.

Definitions from Oxford Languages

I have seen no unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and
credible evidence to support the existence of such an
entity.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 8/05/2024 7:59 pm, Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila < wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>
>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>
>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>> them.
>>>
>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>> we exist.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>> created the heavens and
>>>> the earth.'
>>>
>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>
>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>
>>>> "created"
>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>> the earth.'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>> was...
>>>> 'created'???
>>>
>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>> yet known.
>>
>> you wrote:
>> "creation took place"
>
> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
> occurred.

Then obviously you don't exist, Goofy.

I see no evidence that you have a brain left.

Therefore, it is so.

Michael Christ

>
>>
>>
>> That means you agree creation took place.
>
> Wrong. See above.
>
>>
>>
>> What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>>
>>
>> You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>
> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>
>>
>>
>> Next is God...God created
>> the heavens and the earth.
>
> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>
> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>
> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
> referring to one.
>
>>
>>
>> What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>
> 1.
> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
> authority; the supreme being.
> 2.
> (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit
> worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a
> deity.
>
> Definitions from Oxford Languages
>
> I have seen no unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and
> credible evidence to support the existence of such an
> entity.
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"Attila" wrote in message news:0iim3jp6emvpogsg1obp5bgppk8798f2v6@4ax.com...

> I have yet to see any valid evidence
> supporting the existence of any god

Notice that the atheist says "god"
and not "God". There is a reason
he does that.

On 9/05/2024 1:46 am, Andrew wrote:
> "Attila" wrote in message
> news:0iim3jp6emvpogsg1obp5bgppk8798f2v6@4ax.com...
>
> >  I have yet to see any valid evidence
>>  supporting  the existence of any god
>
> Notice that the atheist says "god" and not "God". There is a reason he
> does that.

Of course.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:46:48 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<I7N_N.45430$PEqc.19124@fx06.ams4> wrote:

>"Attila" wrote in message news:0iim3jp6emvpogsg1obp5bgppk8798f2v6@4ax.com...
>
> > I have yet to see any valid evidence
>> supporting the existence of any god
>
>Notice that the atheist says "god"
>and not "God". There is a reason
>he does that.
>

Yes. No need to use an extra key.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
> >> >
> >> >you agree there was some verification for an
> >> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
> >>
> >> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
> >> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
> >> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
> >> them.
> >>
> >> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
> >> we exist.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >'In the beginning, God
> >> >created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >>
> >> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
> >> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
> >>
> >> Since it is unverified it is useless.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Next in reverse engineering is
> >> >
> >> >"created"
> >> >'...created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
> >> >was...
> >> >'created'???
> >>
> >> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
> >> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
> >> yet known.
> >
> >you wrote:
> >"creation took place"
>
> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
> occurred.

Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???

I know exactly where your mind is at...

You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...

you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..

you stare at the blank screen.

dats it.

you stare at ...nothiness.

you died.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>> Richmond wrote:
>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>
>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>
>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>> things for no reason.
>
> And for thousands of years.
>
> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>
> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>
>

my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.

>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond
> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond
>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power
>>>>> over nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>> Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined like
>>>> that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the word 'supernatural'.
>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>> OK I googled, and found this:
>>
>> https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>
>> It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>> purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>> evidence.
> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that
> opened. Use any definition you like since all of them
> describe a super being of some kind,
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=god&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS877US878&oq=god&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAEEUYOxixAxiABDIMCAAQRRg7GLEDGIAEMg0IARAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IAhAuGIMBGLEDGIAEMhMIAxAuGIMBGMcBGLEDGNEDGIAEMg0IBBAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBRAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBhAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMg0IBxAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0ICBAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMgcICRAAGI8C0gEJNTgxN2owajE1qAIIsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
>
> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
> existence of any being superior to an ordinary person.
>

me! I am! :)

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Richmond wrote:
> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:27:13 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id
>> <86zft1scji.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in
>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power
>>>>>>>> over nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>>>>> Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined
>>>>>>> like that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the
>>>>>>> word 'supernatural'.
>>>>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>>>>> OK I googled, and found this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>>>>> purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>>>>> evidence.
>>>> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that opened.
>>>> Use any definition you like since all of them describe a super being
>>>> of some kind,
>>> You should perhaps look up "super" and "supernatural" as these are
>>> different words with different meanings.
>> I am aware of the difference. I used the lesser term deliberately but
>> if you prefer supernatural feel free to use it.
>>
> It's not lesser, it is different. You are never going to get any
> evidence of the supernatural, by definition, so it is a waste of time
> asking for it.
>
>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
>>>> being superior to an ordinary person.
>>> A king is superior to an ordinary person.
>> Not really other than the power that results from his position. If
>> any.
> That's all that is required by the definition. It says very large OR
> poweful.
>
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/super
>>>
>>> 2 : very large or powerful
>>>
>>> a super atomic bomb
>> Hardly a person or entity.
> That's an example from the dictionary, nothing to do with this
> discussion.
>
>>> Also you should consider that the universe is 90 billion light years
>>> across, and at the time the bible was written, they could not possibly
>>> have known this, so, creator of the universe is a modern and not a
>>> biblical definition. It cannot possibly be a correct understanding of
>>> what people considered god in those days.
>> Most modern people could be considered gods two millennia ago. But no
>> one has ever done much of what is described in dogma.
>>
>> Dance all you like - I will not change my position without evidence
>> that convinces me.
> I am not dancing, I don't mind what your position is. But the point is,
> you don't have any idea what god was to people who lived 2000-6000 years
> ago. They had a different view of themselves and the world. They didn't
> have the subject of psychology, and they thought demons were part of the
> world, whereas we think demons are part of the unconscious. But the
> effects are real either way.

what is the point you are trying to make?

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 9/05/2024 4:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 8/05/2024 12:00 am, Maximus wrote:
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 21:21:14 +0100, Richmond
>>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <86ikzq1ykl.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For you it seems the existence of the Earth is all that is
>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are all more than a bit ambiguous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh look, a church. That proves there is a god!
>>>>> For some that is all that is needed.  Not for me.
>>>>>
>>>> What if God is defined as "That which causes people to build churches"?
>>>
>>> this is why I say Churches are evidence for God, because ppl don't do
>>> things for no reason.
>>
>> And for thousands of years.
>>
>> Wow! You are actually beginning to think!
>>
>> Maximus, please, you are sending me into shock! Have mercy on me!
>>
>>
>
> my position has always been that there's evidence for God. i like to
> think I'm objective in these matters. pity theists aren't.

Why do you have the predisposition to make all these silly sweeping
statements? It just makes you look immature.

What are you expecting from a believer? To not believe? To what? Believe
you? But what proof or evidence do you have for the claim there is no God?

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>> >> >
>> >> >you agree there was some verification for an
>> >> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>> >>
>> >> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>> >> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>> >> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>> >> we exist.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >'In the beginning, God
>> >> >created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >>
>> >> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>> >> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>> >>
>> >> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Next in reverse engineering is
>> >> >
>> >> >"created"
>> >> >'...created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>> >> >was...
>> >> >'created'???
>> >>
>> >> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>> >> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>> >> yet known.
>> >
>> >you wrote:
>> >"creation took place"
>>
>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>> occurred.
>
>Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???

Since I never said that. no.

I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
created or that any god exists.

I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
any "creator" was involved at any point.

>
>
>I know exactly where your mind is at...
>
>
>You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>
>you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>
>you stare at the blank screen.
>
>dats it.
>
>
>you stare at ...nothiness.
>
>
>you died.

Actually when I die I expect the same lever of awareness
that I had before I was born.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Thu, 9 May 2024 16:04:29 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la37bdFcij9U2@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 17:41:53 +0100, Richmond
>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <864jb9tvzi.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 14:46:19 +0100, Richmond
>>>> <dnomhcir@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <868r0lu444.fsf@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer the usual definition " a supernatural being that is
>>>>>> considered sacred and worthy of worship because of its power
>>>>>> over nature, the universe, or human life".
>>>>> Where did you get your definition? I have never seen it defined like
>>>>> that. The word 'universe' is not in the bible, nor is the word 'supernatural'.
>>>> Google "god". That was what you were trying to redefine.
>>> OK I googled, and found this:
>>>
>>> https://iep.utm.edu/god-west/#H1
>>>
>>> It seems you have chosen one particular definition which suites your
>>> purpose: an untestable theory, there is no point in asking for
>>> evidence.
>> I went to Google, entered "god" and used the first page that
>> opened. Use any definition you like since all of them
>> describe a super being of some kind,
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=god&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS877US878&oq=god&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAEEUYOxixAxiABDIMCAAQRRg7GLEDGIAEMg0IARAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IAhAuGIMBGLEDGIAEMhMIAxAuGIMBGMcBGLEDGNEDGIAEMg0IBBAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBRAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0IBhAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMg0IBxAuGNQCGLEDGIAEMg0ICBAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMgcICRAAGI8C0gEJNTgxN2owajE1qAIIsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
>>
>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>> existence of any being superior to an ordinary person.
>>
>
>me! I am! :)

No, there are a lot of people that think that way. But
since there can only be one (if any) the subject is too
ambiguous for any conclusion.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.