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Subject: Re: “If we speak the truth, they will beat us to death”- "I would clap hands at seeing another monk barbecue show, for one can not be responsible for the madness of others." A quote from Madame Nhu.
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On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 at 6:03:38 PM UTC-7, The Progressive Voice wrote:
> Oh Rusty, the emissary of Real Politic cynicism,
> The colonization of Tibet by the Han has made the Tibetans a minority in their own home land. All of the best jobs are reserved for Han and now all business and government transactions throughout most of the country have to be in Chinese, depriving the Tibetan the ability to speak the language he is familiar with and access to all the CCP services reserved for Han settlers, illegally squatting on occupied land in violation of two UN general assembly resolutions.
> Everybody knows Tibet was a Declared Neutral Power during World War 2. Both the Allies and Axis powers were not permitted to cross into Tibetan air space. The only reason why we did nothing for the Tibetan resistance was because we didn't have the resolve to take on more possible Chinese Human wave attacks in a land war in Asia again after the stale mate in Korea. Tibet under Nixon was served up on the altar of Communist sellout to Monopoly Capitalism, aka Kissinger and Mao'sie Dung, Nixonian Detente strategy, at a Champagne Toast were Zhou Enlai later died of rectal cancer because Mao blocked his access to treatment in a vain attempt to play doctor himself. Mao believed that since Tigers never brush their teeth and have them for a long time, that he didn't need to brush his teeth either. During the Cultural Revolution he contracted Herpes, around the time wusong's mother became infected in her anus and spreaded it profusely among the Red Guards and any little act of Pederasty that the state condoned and abated every pleasure Mao desired. Mao was a rotten piece of trash. Deng was his Capitalist "Butt Hole Surfer" red herring who effortlessly seized power as Mao's annointed successor, their plan all along was to seize power and recreate the sweatshop serf economy of Engels.
> thomaswheat1975
> On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:29:53 AM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > On Oct 16, 9:38 am, The Progressive Voice <thomaswheat1...@gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Oct 13, 8:33 am, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > "I would clap hands at seeing another monk barbecue show,
> >
> > > > for one can not be responsible for the madness of others."
> >
> > > > A quote from Madame Nhu.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hello Rusty,
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello, there. Who are you?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Did you kick out wusong,
> >
> >
> >
> > Now, why would I kick out wusong? He's my friend.
> >
> >
> >
> > > the quivering ass toy from his box, in the
> >
> > > basement of your house?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry man. California houses have no basement.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Why do you not respect self sacrifice?
> >
> >
> >
> > Self sacrifice in what way?
> >
> >
> >
> > Self-immolation is useless and meaningless, especially in Asian
> >
> > society. Nobody gives a shit when someone dies, especially a monk.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you really wanted to make an impact in the world with your body,
> >
> > do it like the Muslims. Strap a powerful bomb on your body and
> >
> > explode it around a group of your enemies.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Do you worship your own ego
> >
> >
> >
> > I have no ego, only a lot of time to think, to analyze, and to
> >
> > philosophize.
> >
> >
> >
> > > and
> >
> > > the baseless libido nurtered and sustained by the disposable
> >
> > > culture of global monopoly capitalism?
> >
> >
> >
> > A retiree with "global monopoly capitalism"? You are out of your
> >
> > mind!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > > Why are there no brave CCP cadres
> >
> > > willing to self immolate themselves for the Maoist stooge Bo Xilai?
> >
> >
> >
> > Only fools self-immolate. The CCP has better things to do, I think.
> >
> >
> >
> > > At
> >
> > > least those Tibetan monks had the courage to sacrifice their
> >
> > > pleasures
> >
> >
> >
> > Buddhist monks are beggars in the first place. There is no pleasure
> >
> > in the life of a monk, only hunger and starvation and death.
> >
> >
> >
> > > and lives to Buddha and for a Future Free Tibet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Today, Tibet is free of the tyranny of the Lamas, especially the
> >
> > tyranny of the Dalai Lama. Six million Tibetans can't be wrong. Only
> >
> > about 200,000 are followers of the Dalai Lama.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > If communist rule is
> >
> > > working so great in Tibet than why are there more growing protest
> >
> > > demonstrations against chinese communist rule.
> >
> >
> >
> > Six million Tibetans are living happily in Tibet, and there are 80,000
> >
> > tourists visited Tibet daily. Authoritarian monks are forcing young
> >
> > monks to self-immolate and create chaos for the people of Tibet and
> >
> > you people are cheering them on. You guys should be ashamed of
> >
> > yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > > thomaswheat1975
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, Thomas Wheat again. Where have you been hiding?
https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2011/02/08/the-oss-and-the-dalai-lama/

The OSS and the Dalai Lama
February 8, 2011 By Hilary Parkinson, Posted In - Exploration, - Spies And Espionage, - World War II, Rare Videos
Today’s post comes from National Archives Office of Strategy and Communications staff writer Rob Crotty.

OSS spies Brooke Dolan and Ilia Tolstoy traveling to Lhasa (still from "Inside Tibet", Records of the Office of Strategic Services)
OSS spies Brooke Dolan and Ilia Tolstoy traveling to Lhasa (still from “Inside Tibet,” Records of the Office of Strategic Services)
In the summer of 1942, the Allies’ war against Japan was in dire straits. China was constantly battling the occupying Japanese forces in its homeland, supplied by India via the Burma Road. Then Japan severed that supply artery. Planes were flown over the Himalayan mountains, but their payloads were too little, and too many pilots crashed in the desolate landscape to continue the flights.

The Allies were desperate to find a land route that would reconnect China and India. The task fell to two OSS men—Ilia Tolstoy, the grandson of Leo Tolstoy, and explorer Capt. Brooke Dolan. To complete the land route would require traversing Tibet, and to traverse the hidden country required the permission of a seven-year-old boy, the Dalai Lama.

When the two men arrived in Lhasa, the remote capital of Tibet, these spies were received as ambassadors. A military brass band played, and they were treated as guests of honor in a city that only a few decades earlier had forbidden Westerners to enter.

They came carrying a message from President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. On December 20, at 9:20 in the morning, they were granted an audience with His Holiness. As a further sign of his respect for these two emissaries, the men were allowed to ride horses up the Potala to the quarters of the Dalai Lama. After a brief wait, they entered the highest room in Lhasa. Lt. Col. Ilia Tolstoy wrote of his first glimpse of Tibet’s leader in a 1946 National Geographic:

His Holiness was seated cross-legged, a high-peaked yellow hat on his head. We were immediately impressed by his young but stern face and not at all frail constitution. His cheeks were a healthy pink.

Tolstoy proceeded through the tradition of offering gifts to the Dalai Lama—bread and butter followed by an image of Buddha, a religious book, and a chorten (a Buddhist reliquary). Then, for the first time in history, he made direct contact between the Dalai Lama and the President of the United States by passing a letter written by FDR to the young leader.

After half an hour of discussion, the men left. A week later, they received the permission they were seeking to cross Tibet. It was the first such permission granted in 22 years, according to Tolstoy.

Five months later, they crossed the Tibetan plateau, and the two men arrived in northern China, completing their journey. They had traveled over a thousand miles and spent over a hundred days in the saddle to pioneer a route to connect allied supplies with allied fighters across some of the world’s harshest terrain. Their mission was complete.

While the route was never employed during the war—a diplomatic crisis prevented its use, and planes continued to fly “the hump” across the Himalayan mountains—Tolstoy and Brooke made history, bridging two cultures that before had never formally met. Brooke Dolan filmed the entire journey, and the reels are now housed in the motion picture holdings of the National Archives. The video is below.

For more on spies and the National Archives, join us at 7 p.m. tonight at the International Spy Museum for “Spies and Conspiracies: Espionage in the Civil War.” For more footage from the OSS, CIA, and FBI, you can pick up our latest offering from the National Archives eStore: FBI/CIA Films Declassified.

http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/cBgP9CXnm7E?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0

Tagged American History, Brooke Dolan, CIA History, Dalai Lama, Ilia Tolstoy, Ilya Tolstoy, National Archives And Records Administration, National Archives Blog, Office Of Strategic Services, OSS, Prologue Blog, Spy History, Tibet, World War 2, Ww2
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2 THOUGHTS ON “THE OSS AND THE DALAI LAMA”
George DeGroot
february 8, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Found this to be a very interesting piece of history! Why is not some of this type of information and resource not being used in our educational institutions? Perhaps we have fewer drop-outs and have a more informed populace!

George DeGroot
Austin, Tx

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Travis Barr
february 19, 2011 at 10:45 am
This is amazing footage – thank you thank you thank you to all those who had a hand in preserving and carrying into the digital medium.

Please remember to not “overlink” the net – as this increases the risk that archival footage like this may get lost or ghost-archived. Save a full copy in the most basic format possible, and embed the file, not the link in your page and help preserve our history and humanity!

Thanks again for the amazing footage.

My opinion: its amazing to me that the narrator is unimpressed, seemingly, by the dress and dance style of some of his gracious hosts – if I did not know this was 1942 footage I would have thought I was watching professional break-dancers wearing the costume or fashion from the likes of Gaultier. The pole dancer is especially titillating 😉

TRB

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