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On 6/19/2024 2:43 PM, Malte Runz wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:58:55 -0600, Loran <loran@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> Malte Runz wrote:
>>> "The real truth", eh? Like space aliens from Orion holding secret
>>> meetings with governments?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/ItRiw2HwvF0
>> Aliens are here, and they're not our friends, John Lear says
>
> Does your video contain any kind of hard evidence of those meetings
> having taken place?
>>
>>
>>> Baby-blood drink Hollywood elites?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/YhM5LtOkgXA
>> Hollywood PANICS as Mel Gibson EXPOSES Them All!!!
>
> Three exclamation points. I guess it must be true.
>
>>
>>> Remote viewing? Perpetual motion technology? Real truths like that?
>>
>> Yep, just like that:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwdgnEf3ws
>> Two physicists working for the government discover psychic abilities are
>> real and are then silenced.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_cLp15CaPE
>>
>> Russell Targ is an author, physicist - and once upon a time, a
>> psychic-spy for the Army. He discusses his new book, "Third Eye Spies",
>> and describes how research at SRI & Stargate may help all of us unlock
>> our hidden inner potential.
>>
>> Russell Targ is a physicist, author, and pioneer in the development of
>> the laser and cofounder of the remote viewing laboratory at Stanford
>> Research Institute, which investigated psychic abilities in the 1970s
>> and ‘80s. His work in the psychic area has been published in Nature,
>> The Proceedings of the Institute of Electronic and Electrical Engineers
>> (IEEE)., and the Proceedings of the American Association in the
>> Advancement of Science (AAAS).
>>
>> Targ is the author or co-author of nine books dealing with the
>> scientific investigation of psychic abilities and Buddhist approaches to
>> the transformation of consciousness. As a senior staff scientist at
>> Lockheed Missiles and Space Company, Targ developed airborne laser
>> systems for the detection of wind shear and air turbulence. Having
>> retired in 1997, he now writes books of psychic research and teaches
>> remote viewing worldwide.
>>
> Andrew! I'll be dipped... You've got a soul mate here! Loran turns out
> to be as gullible and idiotic as yourself.

You never heard of the program?

I trust official government docs will suffice:

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000200180005-5.pdf

https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/sa/sa_jan02srm01.html
Clairvoyant Remote Viewing: The US Sponsored Psychic Spying
M. Srinivasan * , Former Associate Director, BARC

Abstract

’Remote Viewing,’ popularly known as Extra Sensory Perception (ESP) is
the ability of human being to perceive information and imagery of remote
geographical targets. Advanced practitioners of the Indian Yoga system
were well acquainted with ‘Divya Drishti.’

This paper deals with experiments conducted in USA in which certain
individuals were trained to acquire such ‘Remote Viewing’ capabilities
for collecting military intelligence.

Introduction

During the Cold War years, the USA and Soviet Union are known to have
been spying on each other using the services of psychic ‘remote
viewers’, with the specific objective of gathering intelligence
information of military significance. In simple terms ‘remote viewing’
is ‘the ability of human participants to acquire information about
spatially (and temporally) remote geographical targets otherwise
inaccessible by any known sensory means’.

There were two complementary components to the US Remote Viewing programme:

(a) A research programme on ‘Anomalous Cognition (AC)’ directed
initially by physicists Hal Putoff and Russell Targ at the laboratories
of Stanford Research International (SRI) at Menlo Park, California which
was shifted in 1988 to Science Applications International Corporation
(SAIC), under the direction of Edwin May. The findings of their early
studies have been reported in prestigious scientific journals during the
1970s. 1-3

(b) Mission-oriented operational assignments overseen by various
intelligence agencies of the US Government, code-named Project STARGATE.

Information regarding this top-secret programme was partly declassified
by the CIA in July 1995 following the thaw in the Cold War. Since then,
several research articles 4 and many books 5-10 have been published by
some of the persons who were closely associated with this programme.
These authors have however expressed regret that they had not been
permitted to reveal much of the ‘sensitive’ details of the programme.
The present brief account is based on the published sources of information.

Background to Remote Viewing Faculty

The faculty of Remote Viewing is popularly also known as Extra Sensory
Perception (or ESP for short), a term coined by the pioneering
parapsychology researcher J.B. Rhine in 1934. Students of Indian Yogic
lore are however well acquainted with it. Aphorism 3.26 of Patanjali’s
classic work Yoga Sutras (400 B.C.) describes the first of the
ashta-siddhis (or psychic powers) that a serious practitioner of Yoga
can acquire as ‘obtaining knowledge of the small, the hidden or distant
by directing the light of superphysical faculty’. Russell Targ, has
commented that the techniques used by the US viewers for ‘looking into
the distance and the future’ are ‘strikingly similar to the detailed
instructions given in the Yoga Sutra!’

Most ancient civilisations appear to have been acquainted with the
knowledge of this particular faculty of the human mind. In both Indian
and Chinese scriptures there are instances of the clairvoyant skills of
people being used as a tool for obtaining relevant military information
in the battle-ground.

It is learnt that the US Government authorities started paying serious
attention to investigating the possible applicability of ‘remote
viewing’ techniques for military purposes only when a book titled
Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain, authored by Sheila
Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder, was published in 1970 11 . This book
appears to have jolted the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) into
action, triggering what one journalist has dubbed as the ‘Race for Inner
Space’! Hal Puthoff, the founder and first Director of the SRI Studies
has given a graphic account of how it all began in his recollections of
the programme. 6

Laboratory Investigations of Remote Viewing

Systematic scientific investigation of telepathy and ESP had been
carried out 12 in the US by J.B. Rhine and his associates during the
1930s and the 1940s at Dukes University, using a set of five ‘Zener
Cards’ containing symbols such as square, circle, star, plus sign, and a
wavy pattern. One of these cards selected at random would be kept open
in one room and a ‘transmitting agent’ would focus his mental attention
and concentration on the same. A ‘receiver’ or ‘viewer’ sitting in an
adjacent room would try to guess which card is open. The success rate in
such ‘card guessing’ tests would be recorded. If the experimental hit
rate was statistically more significant than the ‘chance expectation’
rate of one in five (or 20 per cent) it would be interpreted as evidence
of a telepathic or ESP mode of information transfer.

Unfortunately, to obtain statistically significant results the
experiment had to be repeated thousands of times and this led to
‘decline effects’ due to boredom (or tiredness) on the part of the
remote viewer. To overcome this problem, parapsychology researchers at
SRI started using a set of pictures taken from the National Geographic
magazine instead of the zener cards. A ‘rank order’ method of
quantifying the success rate was developed for this.

The focus of research then shifted to assessing the success rate in
‘test bed’ or field trials where a remote viewer was asked to sense and
describe a natural scene or a military site where an ‘agent’ or ‘beacon’
was located. Both the ‘transmitting agent’ at the site and the ‘viewer’
or ‘receiver’ sitting in the lab would be asked to fill out an identical
30 point questionnaire with a yes (’1’) or no (’0’) marking. This method
of assessment was first developed by Princeton University researchers in
their Engineering Anomalies Research Programme 13 while investigating
‘Precognitive Remote Perception’. Using advanced mathematical methods
developed in the field of artificial intelligence and pattern
recognition, the degree of success of the remote viewer was quantified.

In the next stage of research simulating military spying missions, the
presence of the transmitting ‘agent’ at the target site was dispensed
with and the remote viewer was encouraged to view relevant military
targets within the US, given only the latitude and longitude of the
target site. A brief summary of the outcome of the research on
‘anomalous cognition’ sponsored by the US Government is available in
Edwin May’s website <www.lfr.org>. Dr. May was the Director of this
research at SAIC when the programme was officially terminated in 1995.

> Now, I'll leave the two of you to go play with your turds. I've got
> grown-up stuff to do.
>
> "Psychic abilities are real" What a fucking moron...

Examples of Some “Test Bed” Trials

In the course of their investigations the SRI researchers identified at
least six ‘star performers’ with an extraordinary inborn remote viewing
talent. While the names of some of them have been revealed, others are
only identified by a code number. Those revealed are briefly mentioned
below:

(a) Remote Viewing of a High Technology Site (May 7, 1987)

Viewer: Receiver # R-372 (Now known to be Joe McMoneagle)

Primary Target Site: Electron Accelerator at The Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory (LLNL).

Cue Supplied: Name and Social Security Number of an Intelligence Officer
(’target person’) unknown to the remote viewer or others stationed at
SRI Labs.

Assignment: Describe the target person’s movements and the ambience of
his surroundings at eight-hour intervals during a span of 24 hours.

Target Person’s Actual Movements: Besides moving in the LLNL site, the
target person also visited the windmill farm just outside the LLNL
premises at 4 P.M.

Results: “Fuzzy Set Analysis” of the various descriptions provided by
the receiver showed that the overall accuracy of the remote viewing was
77 per cent and overall reliability 78 per cent. The reliability of the
description of the windmill farm was 100 per cent (accuracy is defined
as the ‘percentage of target elements described correctly by the viewer’
and reliability as ‘percentage of receivers response that is correct’.)

(b) Swimming Pool Complex at Rinconada Park, Palo Alto (1974)

This viewing was carried out by Pat Price who was described by Russell
Targ as one of their ‘psychic treasures’. The target was selected
randomly from out of a ‘target pool’ of sites, unknown to Pat Price and
Russell Targ who were stationed inside a ‘Faraday Cage’ in the Radio
Physics Building of SRI International Labs. Hal Puthoff and an associate
Bart drove off to the target site, which was five miles away. After the
alloted time of 30 minutes, Pat Price was asked to view and describe the
target site.

Pat said he saw ‘a circular pool of water about a hundred feet in
diameter’ (it was actually 110 ft); he also saw ‘a rectangular pool 60
ft by 80 ft’ (it was actually 75’ by 100’); he went on to describe a
concrete block house which was also at the site. He drew a diagram of
the complex. Pat said that the site seemed to be a water purification
plant and drew two water storage tanks and some rotating machinery such
as pumps etc.

After completing the drawing and description, all of them drove to the
site to assess the accuracy of Pat’s viewing. Everything was remarkably
accurate except for the two water tanks and the water purification
plant, which were absent.

Pat Price’s inclusion of the non-existent tanks remained a puzzle for 21
years. However, the mystery was unexpectedly solved in March 1995 when,
as part of the ‘centennial celebrations’ of the city of Palo Alto, a
commemorative volume was published. This brochure carried a picture of
the Rinconada Park site taken in 1913 on the occasion of the
inauguration of the city’s new water works showing two water tanks
exactly at the location indicated by Pat Price in his 1974 viewing!

This amazing example brings out one of the remarkable features of remote
viewing, namely the ability of consciousness to access the past. In RV
literature it is referred to as ‘retro cognition’ while in ancient
Indian texts it is described as accessing the ‘akashic records’!

(c) Discovery of Rings around Planet Jupiter

Ingo Swann6 the famous psychic who was in fact responsible for getting
Hal Puthoff and his colleagues at SRI Labs interested in ‘investigating
the boundary between the animate and inanimate’ in 1972, suggested
carrying out an experiment to remote-view the planet Jupiter before the
upcoming NASA Pioneer-10 flyby. Much to the “chagrin of Ingo Swann and
the SRI researchers, he found a ring around Jupiter and wondered if
perhaps he had remote-viewed the planet Saturn by mistake”. But when the
Pioneer-10 flyby did take place it confirmed the existence of rings
around Jupiter.

(Interestingly, a Pune based medical doctor by the name of Dr.
P.V.Vartak has contacted this writer and sent newspaper clippings
describing his astral visits to the Moon, Mars and Jupiter.)

Examples of Operational Assignments

The following are brief summaries of some very interesting operational
assignments as reported in the declassified remote viewing literature.

(a) Radio Listening Post: Urals (1974)

A ‘receiver’ volunteered to ‘scan’ the Soviet Union for a radio
listening post and claimed to have found one located at Latitude
65-degrees, 0-minutes, 57-seconds (North) and Longitude 59-degrees,
59-minutes, 59-seconds (East) (note the astonishing precision in
pinpointing the geographical coordinates!). The receiver then described
the detailed geographical features of the surroundings of the site as
follows:

“Elevation, 6200 ft. Scrubby brush, tundra-type ground hummocks, rocky
outcroppings, mountains with fairly steep slopes. Facing north for about
60 miles, ground slopes to marshland. A mountain chain runs off to the
right, about 35-degrees east of north. Facing south, mountains run
fairly north and south. Facing west, mountains drop down to foothills
for 60 miles or so: some rivers running roughly north. Facing east,
mountains are rather abrupt, dropping to rolling hills and to flat land.
Area site underground, reinforced concrete, doorways of steel of the
roll-up type. Unusually high ratio of women to men, at least at night. I
see some helipads, concrete. Light rail tracks run from pads to another
set of rails that parallel the doors into the mountain. 30 miles north
(5-degrees west of north) of the site is a radar installation with one
large (165 ft) dish and 10 small fast-track dishes.”

The above report was verified by personnel in the sponsor organisation
as being substantially correct.

(b) Nuclear Research Centre at Semipalatinsk, in the former Soviet Union
(July 1974)

This was CIA’s very first operational viewing assignment. The viewer was
Pat Price. Pat was asked to describe what was located at a suspected
underground nuclear testing site in the former Soviet Union known by the
code name PNUTS. CIA indicated that it was of great interest to them.
They had in their possession a spy satellite photograph of the site.

The viewer was given only the geographical coordinates of the site in
degrees, minutes and seconds (This type of viewing has been referred to
as ‘Coordinate Remote Viewing’). Pat was also told that the site was an
R&D test facility. The government’s representative decided that if the
viewer described either the known multi-story crane or odd structures
resembling oil well derricks, then they would continue.

Pat’s description of this remote site in his own words was, “I am lying
on my back on the roof of a two or three storeyed brick building. It’s a
sunny day. The sun feels good. There’s this most amazing thing. There is
a giagantic crane moving back and forth over my head . . . As I drift up
in the air and look down, it seems to be riding on a track with one rail
on each side of the building. I’ve never seen anything like that”. This
viewing assignment continued for a couple weeks during which he drew
pictures of the gigantic gantry crane and many other items at the site
such as “a cluster of compressed gas cylinders” which were also visible
in the satellite pictures. The gantry crane was moving on eight large
wheels, two on each of the four legs. This unique feature was confirmed
by the satellite photos. (The remarkable similarity of his drawing of
the crane and the satellite photo can be seen in Ed May’s website
<www.lfr.org>).

In later sessions, Pat described the activities in the interior of the
building on top of which he was lying earlier. He explained that “people
were assembling a giant 60 ft diameter metal sphere using thick metal
‘gores’ like sections of an orange peel, but the workmen were having
trouble welding it all together as the pieces were warping; they were
therefore looking for a lower temperature welding material”.

SRI researchers were later told that the site was the super-secret
Soviet atomic bomb laboratory at Semipalatisk. They also learnt three
years later from a news item published in Aviation Week magazine that
“the sphere which was about 58 feet in diameter was intended to capture
and store energy from nuclear driven explosives or pulse power
generators”. (Russell Targ has commented that ‘the accuracy of Price’s
drawing is the sort of thing that I as a physicist would never have
believed, if I had not seen it for myself.)

(c) A Spectacular Example of Precognitive Remote Viewing

(Carried out by Joe McMoneagle in September 1979)

Mission: Spy satellite photographs had shown suspicious heavy
construction activity around a building located 100 meters from a large
body of water, somewhere in northern Russia. The National Security
Council (NSC) wanted to know what was going on there.

Assignment: Joe was given only the geographical coordinates (latitude
and longitude) and asked to describe the site.

When Joe said it was a “cold location, near a body of water with large
buildings and smoke stacks etc”, NSC was satisfied that he was probably
at the right site. They then showed him the satellite photograph in
their possession and asked him to find out what was going on inside the
building. Joe said, “The interior is very large and noisy; active
working area, full of scaffolding, girders and blue flashes probably arc
welding.” He took a break and continued in another session, ”Probably a
huge submarine under construction (Draws a sketch with dimensions, etc).
A long flat deck; strangely angled missile tubes, about 18 to 20 in
number. A new type of mechanism to drive the submarine (nuclear
powered?); a double hull.”

At this point the NSC representatives figured that Joe must be wrong
because if what he said was true, it would be the world’s biggest
submarine! No US intelligence agency had ever heard of it. The US did
not possess a submarine this large. Besides, who would build a submarine
in a building so far from water? How would they launch it? But since Joe
had acquired the reputation of being very accurate, NSC asked him to
‘view the future’ and find out when it would be launched!

Joe ‘scanned the future month by month’ and said the Russians would
blast a channel to connect the building with the body of water and
launch the submarine in four months.

Confirmation : In January 1980, exactly as predicted by Joe, spy
satellite pictures confirmed the launching of the world’s biggest
submarine after construction of an artificlal channel connecting the
building to the water. It had 20 missile tubes, a large flat deck etc
exactly as described by Joe!

(This example brings out spectacularly the ‘non local nature of
consciousness’ not only in space but also in time, even into the future!)

(d) Location of hostage being held in Lebanon (February 1988)

The US Defense Intelligence Agency asked where Marine Col.William
Higgins was being held as hostage in Lebanon. A viewer said Higgins was
in a specific building in a specific South Lebanon village. A released
hostage later confirmed that Higgins had probably been in that building
at that time.

(c)Another example of Precognitive Remote Viewing (1989)

Pentagon asked a viewer about possible Libyan response to U.S. criticism
of chemical weapons work at Rabta.

The viewer’s response: A ship named ‘Patua’ or ‘Potua’ would arrive in
Tripoli to transport chemicals to an eastern Libyan port.

Verification: A ship named ‘Batato’ in fact arrived in Tripoli and
loaded undetermined cargo, which was transported to an eastern Libyan port.

Implications and Conclusions:

The intelligence community in the US clearly seems to value RV data
whenever it is available, as a very useful additional input,
complementing information gathered through various other means and
methods. For example, in the present war against terrorism there is
every reason to speculate that the agencies involved in tracking down
Osama Bin Laden must have sought the help of some of their reputed
‘remote viewers’ for whatever value it may be.

However, the more important implication of the findings of RV research
to humanity as a whole perhaps is that it serves to validate the age-old
concept of many Eastern wisdom-traditions that have always emphasised
the non-local nature of human ‘consciousness’. Thus it serves to provide
some degree of scientific validity to various forms of spiritual and
distant healing practices as emphasised by Russell Targ himself in his
1997 book titled Miracles of Mind. 9

Another very important aspect emerging from RV research is the question
of precognition and its implications. It again seems to give a measure
of ‘scientific credence’ to various stunning but anecdotal stories of
premonitions and remarkably successful ‘predictions’ such as that of
Edgar Casey. Princeton University’s PEAR group and others have discussed
these implications in depth. 13 Precognition touches on some very
fundamental philosophical questions regarding free will and causality.

In view of the importance and implications of the subject of Remote
Viewing to our understanding of Consciousness and considering that
Remote Viewing had already been discussed in considerable depth in our
ancient scriptures, it is high time that the subject be taken up for
systematic evaluation at some reputed academic institution(s) in India.
In particular, it would be of great interest to verify if appropriate
yogic/meditation/or other training practices can help to train subjects
in developing Remote Viewing skills as claimed by some yoga scholars in
India. 15

Endnotes

Note *: Dr. M. Srinivasan was formerly Associate Director, Physics
Group, Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Mumbai. He is an experimental
Physicist who has specialized in fast breeder reactor physics and Cold
Fusion. Since retirement, he has been studying anomalous phenomena not
explainable currently by Science. Back.

Note 1: R.Targ & H.E.Puthoff,”Information Transmission Under
Conditions of Sensory Shielding, Nature Vol. 252 (1974) pp. 602-607. Back.

Note 2: H.E.Puthoff & R.Targ, “A Perpetual Channel for Information
Transfer Over Kilometer Distances: Historical Perspective and Recent
Research”, Proc IEEE, Vol. 64,(1976) pp. 329-354. Back.

Note 3: C.T. Tart, H.E. Puthoff and R.Targ (Eds) “ Mind at Large: IEEE
Symposium on the Nature of Extra Sensory Perception” New Yok (1979)
Praeger Special Studies. Back.

Note 4: Reports on Government Sponsored Remote Viewing Programs, A set
of seven papers in the Journal of Sci. Exploration, Vol. 10, No. 1,
(1996). Back.

Note 5: H.E.Puthoff & R.Targ, Mind-Reach 1977, Delacorte, New York
(1977). Back.

Note 6: Ingo Swann, Natural ESP, 1987, Bantum, New York (1987). Back.

Note 7: Dean Radin, The Conscious Universe, 1997, Harper Edge
Publishers (1997). Back.

Note 8: Jim Schnabel, Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America’s
Psychic Spies, 1997, Dell Books, New York. Back.

Note 9: Russell Targ & Jane Katra, Miracles of Mind: Exploring
Non-Local Consciousness, 1999, New Word Library. Back.

Note 10: Joe McMoneagle, “Remote Viewing Secrets: A Handbook” (May
2000). Back.

Note 11: S. Ostrander & L.Schroeder, Psychic Discoveries Behind the
Iron Curtain, 1970 Prentice Hall. Back.

Note 12: K.R. Rao, Basic Experiments in Parapsychology, McFarland,
Jefferson, North Carolina. Back.

Note 13: R.G. Jahn & B.J. Dunne, Margins of Reality: The Role of
Consciousness in the Physical World, 1987, Harcourt Brace & Co, Florida.
Back.

Note 14: Courtney Brown, “Cosmic Explorers: Scientific Remote Viewing,
Extra Terrestrials and a Message to Mankind” (Aug 2000). Back.

Note 15: B.J. Rao, Practice of Telepathy Made Easy: Harnessing Extra
Sensory Perception, 1992, Occult Publishers, Guntur, India. Back.

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