On 12/04/2024 3:49 am, Phil Hendry's Chop shop wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:26:33 +1000
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 11/04/2024 10:05 am, Phil Hendry's Chop shop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 08:57:50 +1000
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/04/2024 9:07 am, Phil Hendry's Chop shop wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 07:01:51 +0800
>>>>> Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Hendry's Chop Shop wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the most basic level - CO2 is .04% of total atmospheric
>>>>>>> gasses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nuff said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The atmosphere is over 99% atomic gases, which have no global
>>>>>> warming effect whatsoever. So only a small amount of carbon
>>>>>> dioxide punches above its weight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Utter horseshit!
>>>>>
>>>>> Present levels of CO2 are in the mid 300ppm range,
>>>>
>>>> **Wrong, moron. Try 425ppm:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2
>>>
>>> Fair enough, still way lower than the Jurassic's 3-4,000 ppm.
>>
>> **And, once more: It was WAY, WAY hotter back then too.
>
> That's what made it literal PARADISE for plants and animals!

**Just a reminder: Humans were not in existence back then. Nor were the
flora and fauna we consume to survive. Nor was NYC, Florida, London,
Bangladesh and many other highly populated places.

>
>
>> It's what CO2 in the atmosphere does. It causes warming.
>
> Nope, not even close, that's our solar cycle.

**One thing does not preclude the other. Yes, Solar radiation is the
major driver of climate on this planet, but CO2 is NOT an insignificant
driver. In fact, you mentioned the 'Solar cycle'. You should examine the
most recent Solar cycles, as they have exhibited historically low levels
of activity. Yet the average temperature of the planet is still rising.
Curious, yes?

Not so much, because CO2 is a significant driver of temperatures.

>
> ONLY the sun is our dominant heat engine, nothing else.

**I NEVER claimed otherwise, but to ignore the influence of CO2 is a
stupid and fatal error.

>
>> 4,000ppm of CO2 will not
>> only cause an average of around 10 degrees C more temperature rise
>> (along with consequent sea level rise, etc), but will lead to health
>> effects in humans. We are not evolved to cope with that much CO2. We
>> have evolved to cope with around 300ppm of CO2.
>
> Oh no, another LIE!

**Really? The YOU tell me what levels of CO2 humans evolved under.

>
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15131068/
>
> On one occasion investigations were carried out while subjects were
> breathing room air and on the other while subjects were breathing air
> containing 5% CO2, inducing hypercapnia and stimulating systemic
> chemoreceptors. During hypercapnic conditions, as compared with
> normocapnia, there were significant increases (P < 0.05) in minute
> ventilation, end-tidal CO2 and estimated arterial P(CO2). Furthermore,
> under hypercapnic conditions there was an increase in orthostatic
> tolerance, peak heart rate and time to peak heart rate during LBNP. The
> LBNP-induced increase in calf circumference was significantly
> attenuated at -50 mmHg of LBNP in addition to a further 22.3% reduction
> in stroke volume under hypercapnic conditions.
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Human-Physiological-Tolerance-Time-for-Various-Carbon-Dioxide-Concentrations-and-Acute_tbl2_330688186
>
> https://www.theathletetribe.com/understanding-co2-tolerance-how-to-train/
>
> https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=a2c040697c1463607099dd3b408aa5bae48631b4
>
> Human health effects of CO2 have been examined in the scientific and medical literature as a
> prerequisite to health risk assessment for releases of CO2 from CO2 capture, transport, and
> sequestration (CT&S) sites. Atmospheric CO2 at ~0.037% (370 ppm) poses no threat to human
> health...

**Of course. CO2 levels need to be MUCH higher to cause problems in
humans. Plants are another matter entirely.

>
> Table 2: Commonly Cited Effects of CO2
> 2-5
> CO2 Effects
> 1% Respiratory rate (RR) ↑ 37%
> 1.6% V
> · ↑ ~100%
> 2% RR ↑ ~50%; brain blood flow ↑
> 3% Exercise tolerance ↓ in workers when breathing against
> inspiratory & expiratory resistance
> 5% V
> · ↑ ~200%; RR ↑ ~100%, dizziness, HA, confusion, dyspnea
> 7.2% RR ↑ ~200%, HA, dizziness, confusion, dyspnea
> 8-10% Severe HA, dizziness, confusion, dyspnea, sweating, dim vision
> 10% Unbearable dyspnea, followed by vomiting, disorientation,
> hypertension, & loss of consciousness
>
>
> You do realize that .04% means NOTHING to humans, not a damned thing!

**I never claimed otherwise.

>
>
>>>> far below the
>>>>> several thousand ppm correlated to the more rich flora and fauna
>>>>> epochs of the past like the Jurassic.
>>>>
>>>> **Sure. And considerably hotter too:
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#/media/File:65_Myr_Climate_Change.png
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which was spectacular for plant and animal life!
>>
>> **Not HUMAN animals. And not any of the crops and animals we eat
>> either.
>
> Different epoch, different fauna and flora,so?

**Read what I wrote.

>
> Did you stop believing in evolution too?

**I don't "believe" in evolution. I ACCEPT the fact of evolution of
species on this planet.

>
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> CO2 is what plants breathe!
>>>>
>>>> **Yep. CO2 suffocates mammals.
>>>
>>> Sure does NOT!
>>
>> **Sure it does you moron. CO2 is a known asphyxiant:
>>
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-019-0323-1
>>
>> https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/environment/air/toxins/co2.html
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The dearth thereof most always correlates to a glacial period, and
>>>>> soon will.
>>>>
>>>> **Really? Prove it.
>>>
>>> Read the charts.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/@Suspicious0bservers
>>
>> **Cite a proper scientific document. I don't watch Youtube for my
>> scientific information.
>
> Davidson is a proper scientist, learn not to be a cunt that plays shoot
> the messenger, turdbucket!

**Then cite a proper, peer-reviewed scientific document. I don't and
will not obtain scientific information from Youtube videos.

>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In your proof you need to explain how a period of RISING
>>>> temperatures (like they are now) can possibly lead to a glacial
>>>> period.
>>>
>>> The 3/6/12,000 year solar cycle - learn:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/@Suspicious0bservers
>>
>> **As above.
>>
>> Also, you need to explain how a glacial period can occur, when
>> temperatures are rising. A glacial period can only occur when
>> temperatures fall. Pretty simple stuff.
>
> Simple, a solar micronova blasts through our diminished magnetosphere
> (down 30% or more now) and leads to a pole shift and global inundation
> followed by glaciation as new poles form.

**I see. And just when will this occur? Date please.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are completely deceitful.
>>>>
>>>> **Perhaps, but you are a fucking moron.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw
>>>
>>> 12,000 Year Cycle
>>> Suspicious0bservers
>>
>> **As above. Cite peer-reviewed scientific documents.
>
>
> I already did.
>
> https://books.google.com/books/about/Weatherman_s_Guide_to_the_Sun.html?id=3fMuvwEACAAJ
>
> 2018 - Solar-terrestrial physics - 199 pages
> "The sun affects the weather, earthquakes, our health and more. The
> science of space weather is electromagnetic, and the discoveries of how
> it affects our world are incredible and inspiring. 100s of the most
> important studies are communicated in a way you can understand, along
> with their place in the bigger picture. This is your guide to the
> sun."--
>
> https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/42078263
>
> A great introduction to the dynamics that the Sun and Space Weather
> have on our planets conditions, from health to seismic issues,
> Davidson, who also runs Space Weather News and the Youtube Channel
> Suspicious0bservers, offers a compelling and easy to read book that
> details in laymans terms how the sun affects us.
>
> https://observerranch.podia.com/weatherman-s-guide-to-the-sun-3rd-edition
>
> Space weather has become a recognized actor in weather, long-term climate change, seismicity, technological performance and biology. This third edition of the literature review covers ~500 of the most-important studies describing the interactions of earth and sun, including a new chapter on extreme solar activity and earth's catastrophe cycle.
>

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