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* "Civilization" Appears To Be TURKISH186282@ud0s4.net
+- Re: "Civilization" Appears To Be TURKISHSteve Hayes
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Subject: Re: "Civilization" Appears To Be TURKISH
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 23:52:55 -0400, "186282@ud0s4.net"
<186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:

>Megalithic sites at Gobekli Tepe with symbolic art- southwestern
>Turkey - 10-12k BC

Back then Turkey wasn't Turkish.
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Megalithic sites at Gobekli Tepe with symbolic art- southwestern
Turkey - 10-12k BC

Brick/stone buildings at Dja'de el-Mughara - modern Turkish/Syrian
border, with decorative art - 8000bc

Jericho - west bank - 7000bc - carved stone fineware and
statuettes.

Halaf culture - northern mesopotamia - beginnings of
proper pottery + decorative/symbolic art - 6100bc

.. . .

It APPEARS that post ice-age civ, as we perceive it,
started in what's now southern Turkey, along river courses
and not too far from the Med. From there is spread down
into the Levant and Mesopotamia.

Note that the climate in the region, now semi-arid sans
irrigation, was considerably more moderate 12,000 years
ago. The "fertile crescent" took shape and supported a
wide variety of civs. However the ROOT civ still seems
to be a Turkish invention. So far there is no evidence
of civ/organization on a large scale before Gobekli Tepe.

So far. However the Indus valley may yet yield some
surprises, although the climate has been less conducive
to preserving artifacts.

During the last ice age, the ice did NOT reach nearly as
far south as Turkey, indeed only about as far south as
modern southern Poland. However the climatic fallout
from all that ice surely had major effects for 1000
miles to the south - all of southern Europe and, also,
Turkey. Human creativity seems best in "challenging",
but not "crushing", environments. Maybe that's why
Turkey was The Place ?

Subject: Re: "Civilization" Appears To Be TURKISH
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 23:52:55 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Megalithic sites at Gobekli Tepe

You mean “Göbekli Tepe”?

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