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* Trump Family ValuesBradley K. Sherman
+- Re: Trump Family ValuesMitchell Holman
`* Re: Trump Family ValuesLee
 +- Re: Trump Family ValuesBradley K. Sherman
 `* Re: Trump Family Values186282@ud0s4.net
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  |`* Re: Trump Family Values186282@ud0s4.net
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Subject: Trump Family Values
From: Bradley K. Sherman
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| My Uncle Donald Trump Told Me Disabled Americans Like My
| Son 'Should Just Die'
| ...
<https://time.com/7002003/donald-trump-disabled-americans-all-in-the-family/>

--bks

Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
From: Mitchell Holman
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bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote in
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> |
> | My Uncle Donald Trump Told Me Disabled Americans Like My
> | Son 'Should Just Die'
> | ...
> <https://time.com/7002003/donald-trump-disabled-americans-all-in-the-fa
> mily/>
>
> --bks
>

That perfectly aligns with Trump's character.

Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
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Bradley K. Sherman wrote:

> |
> | My Uncle Donald Trump Told Me Disabled Americans Like My
> | Son 'Should Just Die'
> | ...
> <https://time.com/7002003/donald-trump-disabled-americans-all-in-the-f
> amily/>
>
> --bks

5 kids by 3 different baby-mommas all
of whom he cheated on = Trump Family Values

Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
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>> | My Uncle Donald Trump Told Me Disabled Americans Like My
>> | Son 'Should Just Die'

|
| Tammy Duckworth eviscerates Trump for painful comments
| about disabled Americans
|
| 'It's hard to describe the pain millions of Americans with
| disabilities are feeling in response to Donald Trump's
| newly-reported comments,' Democratic Senator Tammy
| Duckworth said
| ...
<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tammy-duckworth-trump-disability-dnc-b2586652.html>

--bks

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On 7/25/24 11:31 AM, Lee wrote:
> Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>
>> |
>> | My Uncle Donald Trump Told Me Disabled Americans Like My
>> | Son 'Should Just Die'
>> | ...
>> <https://time.com/7002003/donald-trump-disabled-americans-all-in-the-f
>> amily/>
>>
>> --bks
>
>
>
>
> 5 kids by 3 different baby-mommas all
> of whom he cheated on = Trump Family Values

Unlike most modern fams, I note that the kids
and almost every ex are still VERY MUCH pro-
Trump, very loyal.

Lemme guess, YOUR kids would rather stab you
in the back and throw your dismembered corpse
into a dumpster rather than look at you .... ?

I'd say Trump's "family values" quotient ranks
VERY high.

Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
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186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 7/25/24 11:31 AM, Lee wrote:
>> Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>   |
>>>   | My Uncle Donald Trump Told Me Disabled Americans Like My
>>>   | Son 'Should Just Die'
>>>   | ...
>>> <https://time.com/7002003/donald-trump-disabled-americans-all-in-the-f
>>> amily/>
>>
>> 5 kids by 3 different baby-mommas all
>> of whom he cheated on = Trump Family Values
>
>   Unlike most modern fams, I note that the kids
>   and almost every ex are still VERY MUCH pro-
>   Trump, very loyal.
>
>   Lemme guess, YOUR kids would rather stab you
>   in the back and throw your dismembered corpse
>   into a dumpster rather than look at you .... ?
>
>   I'd say Trump's "family values" quotient ranks
>   VERY high.

Have you checked with the mothers he cheated on???

You consider adultery a family value?

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On 7/27/24 2:32 AM, Gronk wrote:
> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 7/25/24 11:31 AM, Lee wrote:
>>> Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>   |
>>>>   | My Uncle Donald Trump Told Me Disabled Americans Like My
>>>>   | Son 'Should Just Die'
>>>>   | ...
>>>> <https://time.com/7002003/donald-trump-disabled-americans-all-in-the-f
>>>> amily/>
>>>
>>> 5 kids by 3 different baby-mommas all
>>> of whom he cheated on = Trump Family Values
>>
>>    Unlike most modern fams, I note that the kids
>>    and almost every ex are still VERY MUCH pro-
>>    Trump, very loyal.
>>
>>    Lemme guess, YOUR kids would rather stab you
>>    in the back and throw your dismembered corpse
>>    into a dumpster rather than look at you .... ?
>>
>>    I'd say Trump's "family values" quotient ranks
>>    VERY high.
>
> Have you checked with the mothers he cheated on???

What, is this 1959 ... or 1659 ? You sound like
some kind of fanatic ultra-prude.

How much do you donate to fringe Xian groups ?

> You consider adultery a family value?

Seems to work for Trump :-)

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On 7/26/2024 11:30 PM, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 7/25/24 11:31 AM, Lee wrote:
>> Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>
>>>   |
>>>   | My Uncle Donald Trump Told Me Disabled Americans Like My
>>>   | Son 'Should Just Die'
>>>   | ...
>>> <https://time.com/7002003/donald-trump-disabled-americans-all-in-the-f
>>> amily/>
>>>
>>>      --bks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 5 kids by 3 different baby-mommas all
>> of whom he cheated on = Trump Family Values
>
>   Unlike most modern fams, I note that the kids
>   and almost every ex are still VERY MUCH pro-
>   Trump, very loyal.

They're loyal to a shitbag because they themselves are shitbags. So what?

Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 02:30:21 -0400, "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:

>On 7/25/24 11:31 AM, Lee wrote:
>> Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>
>>> |
>>> | My Uncle Donald Trump Told Me Disabled Americans Like My
>>> | Son 'Should Just Die'
>>> | ...
>>> <https://time.com/7002003/donald-trump-disabled-americans-all-in-the-f
>>> amily/>
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 5 kids by 3 different baby-mommas all
>> of whom he cheated on = Trump Family Values
>
> Unlike most modern fams, I note that the kids
> and almost every ex are still VERY MUCH pro-
> Trump, very loyal.
>
> Lemme guess, YOUR kids would rather stab you
> in the back and throw your dismembered corpse
> into a dumpster rather than look at you .... ?
>
> I'd say Trump's "family values" quotient ranks
> VERY high.

Nobody says the kids don't like him BUT, he didn't raise them, nor were they raised
together. Given that all prosperity flows from Big Daddy, you can imagine the sibling
rivalries that are going on. And I'm sure Melania has provided very well for Baron in her
pre-nup.

"Family values", my ass.

#nevertrump
NP: Steely Dan - FM (guitar solo)

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Governor Swill wrote:
> "Family values", my ass.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A Terrell and
a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.


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Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
From: Bradley K. Sherman
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|
| Trump's nephew Fred Trump endorses Kamala Harris for
| president
| ...
| [21-second ABC video at URL]
|
<https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818315193119539210>

--bks

Such a weird family.

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Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> |
> | Trump's nephew Fred Trump endorses Kamala Harris for
> | president
> | ...
> | [21-second ABC video at URL]
> |
> <https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818315193119539210>
>
> --bks
>
> Such a weird family.
>

The Trump family is a weird family?? Take a look at the Biden family.
I would say that the Trump kids have turned out a lot better than those
in the BIden family.

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Ken wrote:
> Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>   |
>>   | Trump's nephew Fred Trump endorses Kamala Harris for
>>   | president
>>   | ...
>>   | [21-second ABC video at URL]
>>   |
>> <https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818315193119539210>
>>
>>      --bks
>>
>> Such a weird family.
>>
>
> The Trump family is a weird family??  Take a look at the Biden family. I
> would say that the Trump kids have turned out a lot better than those in
> the BIden family.

Well Biden showering with his teen daughter set the tone for her ruined
life, so...

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Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
>Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> |
>> | Trump's nephew Fred Trump endorses Kamala Harris for
>> | president
> ...
>> Such a weird family.
>>
>
>The Trump family is a weird family?? Take a look at the Biden family.
> ...

Let me know when someone in the Biden family endorses Trump,
them we'll discuss.
|
| Fred Trump III calls uncle Donald Trump 'atomic crazy,'
| says he used racial slur decades ago
| ...
<https://abcnews.go.com/US/fred-trump-iii-calls-uncle-donald-trump-atomic/story?id=112389846>

--bks

Seriously weird.

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>The Trump family is a weird family?? Take a look at the Biden family.
>I would say that the Trump kids have turned out a lot better than those
>in the BIden family.
>
>

Trump's been convicted of how many felonies? That must be excusable for a
little criminal shit like you.

Trump's children are Criminals to the heart.

Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. Were Close to Being Charged With Felony Fraud

New York prosecutors were preparing a case. Then the D.A. overruled his
staff after a visit from a top donor: Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz.

by Jesse Eisinger and Justin Elliott, ProPublica, and Andrea Bernstein and
Ilya Marritz, WNYC Oct. 4, 2017, 4 a.m. EDT

Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr., arrive at the 58th presidential
inauguration in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 20, 2017. (Win McNamee/Pool via
Bloomberg/Getty Images)

This article is a collaboration between ProPublica, WNYC and The New Yorker
and is not subject to our Creative Commons license.

In the spring of 2012, Donald Trump�s two eldest children, Ivanka Trump and
Donald Trump Jr., found themselves in a precarious legal position. For two
years, prosecutors in the Manhattan District Attorney�s office had been
building a criminal case against them for misleading prospective buyers of
units in the Trump SoHo, a hotel and condo development that was failing to
sell. Despite the best efforts of the siblings� defense team, the case had
not gone away. An indictment seemed like a real possibility. The evidence
included emails from the Trumps making clear that they were aware they were
using inflated figures about how well the condos were selling to lure
buyers.
Listen to This Story

Hear the audio version of this story on WNYC.

In one email, according to four people who have seen it, the Trumps
discussed how to coordinate false information they had given to prospective
buyers. In another, according to a person who read the emails, they worried
that a reporter might be onto them. In yet another, Donald Jr. spoke
reassuringly to a broker who was concerned about the false statements,
saying that nobody would ever find out, because only people on the email
chain or in the Trump Organization knew about the deception, according to a
person who saw the email.

There was �no doubt� that the Trump children �approved, knew of, agreed to,
and intentionally inflated the numbers to make more sales,� one person who
saw the emails told us. �They knew it was wrong.�

In 2010, when the Major Economic Crimes Bureau of the D.A.�s office opened
an investigation of the siblings, the Trump Organization had hired several
top New York criminal defense lawyers to represent Donald Jr. and Ivanka.
These attorneys had met with prosecutors in the bureau several times. They
conceded that their clients had made exaggerated claims, but argued that
the overstatements didn�t amount to criminal misconduct. Still, the case
dragged on. In a meeting with the defense team, Donald Trump, Sr.,
expressed frustration that the investigation had not been closed. Soon
after, his longtime personal lawyer, Marc Kasowitz entered the case.
A view of the Trump SoHo hotel and condominium building. (Drew
Angerer/Getty Images)

Kasowitz, who by then had been the elder Donald Trump�s attorney for a
decade, is primarily a civil litigator with little experience in criminal
matters. But in 2012, Kasowitz donated $25,000 to the reelection campaign
of Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr., making Kasowitz one of
Vance�s largest donors. Kasowitz decided to bypass the lower level
prosecutors and went directly to Vance to ask that the investigation be
dropped.

On May 16, 2012, Kasowitz visited Vance�s office at One Hogan Place in
downtown Manhattan � a faded edifice made famous by the television show,
�Law & Order.� Dan Alonso, the chief assistant district attorney, and Adam
Kaufmann, the chief of the investigative division, were also at the
meeting, but no one from the Major Economic Crimes Bureau attended.
Kasowitz did not introduce any new arguments or facts during his session.
He simply repeated the arguments that the other defense lawyers had been
making for months.

Ultimately, Vance overruled his own prosecutors. Three months after the
meeting, he told them to drop the case. Kasowitz subsequently boasted to
colleagues about representing the Trump children, according to two people.
He said that the case was �really dangerous,� one person said, and that it
was �amazing I got them off.� (Kasowitz denied making such a statement.)

Vance defended his decision. �I did not at the time believe beyond a
reasonable doubt that a crime had been committed,� he told us. �I had to
make a call and I made the call, and I think I made the right call.�

Just before the 2012 meeting, Vance�s campaign had returned Kasowitz�s
$25,000 contribution, in keeping with what Vance describes as standard
practice when a donor has a case before his office. Kasowitz �had no
influence and his contributions had no influence whatsoever on my decision-
making in the case,� Vance said.

But less than six months after the D.A.�s office dropped the case, Kasowitz
made an even larger donation to Vance�s campaign, and helped raise more
from others � eventually, a total of more than $50,000. After being asked
about these donations as part of the reporting for this article � more than
four years after the fact � Vance said he now plans to give back Kasowitz�s
second contribution, too. �I don�t want the money to be a millstone around
anybody�s neck, including the office�s,� he said.
Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. (Andrew Burton/Getty Images)

Kasowitz told us his donations to Vance were unrelated to the case. �I
donated to Cy Vance�s campaign because I was and remain extremely impressed
by him as a person of impeccable integrity, as a brilliant lawyer and as a
public servant with creative ideas and tremendous ability,� Kasowitz wrote
in an emailed statement. �I have never made a contribution to anyone�s
campaign, including Cy Vance�s, as a �quid-pro-quo� for anything.�

Last year, The New York Times reported the existence of the criminal
investigation into the Trump SoHo project. But the prosecutor�s focus on
Ivanka and Donald Jr. and the email evidence against them, as well as
Kasowitz�s involvement, and Vance�s decision to overrule his prosecutors,
had not been previously made public. This account is based on interviews
with 20 sources familiar with the investigation, court records, and other
public documents. We were not able to review copies of the emails that were
the focal point of the inquiry. We are relying on the accounts of multiple
individuals who have seen them.

Requests for interviews with Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. were
referred to Alan Garten, the chief legal officer of the Trump Organization.
In an emailed response, Garten did not address a list of questions about
the criminal case. Instead, he quoted the company�s filings in civil
litigation relating to the Trump SoHo, which described complaints as �a
simple case of buyers� remorse.�

But even a lawyer in the Trump camp acknowledges that the way the case was
resolved was unusual. �Dropping the case was reasonable,� said Paul Grand,
a partner at Morvillo Abramowitz who was part of the Trump SoHo defense
team. �The manner in which it was accomplished is curious.�

Grand, who was a partner of Vance�s when the district attorney was in
private practice, said he did not believe that the D.A.�s office had
evidence of criminal misconduct by the Trump children. But the meeting
between Vance and Kasowitz �didn�t have an air you�d like,� he said. �If
you and I were district attorney and you knew that a subject of an
investigation was represented by two or three well-thought-of lawyers in
town, and all of a sudden someone who was a contributor to your campaign
showed up on your doorstep, and the regular lawyers are nowhere to be seen,
you�d think about how you�d want to proceed.�

In June 2006, during the season finale of �The Apprentice,� Donald Trump
Sr. unveiled the Trump SoHo as a visionary project. The luxury development
was intended to mark the ascension of Ivanka and Donald Jr. � then 24 and
28 years old, respectively � as full players in the Trump empire. They
signed the licensing deal alongside their father, and photographs of Ivanka
were featured in the Trump SoHo�s advertising, under the tagline �Possess
your own SoHo.�

Their partners on the project included two Soviet-born businessmen, Felix
Sater and Tevfik Arif, who ran the Bayrock Group, a real estate development
firm. Sater had a history of running afoul of the law. In 1993, he was
convicted of assault and spent about a year in prison for attacking a man
with the stem of a margarita glass in a bar fight. In 1998, he pleaded
guilty to one count of racketeering for his role in a $40 million
securities fraud scheme.

The Trump SoHo was beleaguered from the start: Named for one of Manhattan�s
trendiest neighborhoods, the development wasn�t really in SoHo, but located
just west of it, near the entrance ramp to the Holland Tunnel. Zoning laws
wouldn�t allow a residential tower at the location, so the Trumps fell back
on an alternative: a �condo-hotel,� in which buyers got a hotel room rather
than an apartment, and were legally prohibited from staying there more than
120 nights per year. Worse, the high-priced condos hit the market in
September 2007, just as the global economy began to crater in what became
the largest financial crisis since the Great Depression.


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Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
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>
>Well Biden showering with his teen daughter set the tone for her ruined
>life, so...

That's just like when Trump had sex with Barron all those times and don't
forget how Donald says he's ready to have sex with Ivanaka, his daughter.

All the times Trump was completely inappropriate with his daughter Ivanka
Indy100 StaffNov 08, 2023
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All the times Trump was completely inappropriate with his daughter Ivanka
Ivanka Trump arrives at court to take stand in fraud trial as �
Reuters

Donald Trump is no stranger to grabbing headlines � among other things �
but some of the most questionable of these things he�s said and done in the
past are disturbingly about his eldest daughter, Ivanka Trump.

From saying he�d have sex with her to touching her inappropriately, the
list is exhaustive.

It's unclear whether these comments are intended as "jokes" or he simply
doesn't realise the problematic nature of what he's saying.

Either way, here�s our attempt at documenting all of the super
inappropriate things Trump has said or done about or to his daughter.
1. Ivanka sitting on her dad�s lap, as they both sit on a statue of parrots
having sex

1996, Vanity Fair

� (@)

2. �Don�t you think my daughter�s hot? She�s hot, right?�

When Ivanka was just 16 years old, she hosted the Miss Teen USA pageant and
Donald Trump reportedly made the comment in front of the crowd.
3. �She's got the best body.�

In 2003, while on The Howard Stern Show, Trump said:

"You know who's one of the great beauties of the world, according to
everybody? And I helped create her? Ivanka. My daughter, Ivanka. She's six
feet tall. She's got the best body."

Good to know.
4. �Every guy in the country wants to go out with my daughter.�

In 2004, New York Magazine quoted Trump as having said:

"Let me tell you one thing: Ivanka is a great, great beauty. Every guy in
the country wants to go out with my daughter. But she�s got a boyfriend."

A very very weird flex.
5. Trump agreed Ivanka is a �piece of ass�

He said this in 2004, on The Howard Stern Show. Seems to be his favourite
place to make awful remarks.
6. �She�s actually always been very voluptuous.'

Yet again on The Howard Stern Show, this time in 2006, Trump thought it
appropriate to discuss his daughter's body, mentioning how "voluptuous" she
is, followed by:

"She's tall, she's almost 6 feet tall and she's been, she's an amazing
beauty."
7. �I�ve said that if Ivanka weren�t my daughter, perhaps I�d be dating
her.�

Absolutely no comment on this one. It happened in 2006, on The View.

Very gross.
8. �I was going to say sex�

In 2013, Wendy Williams asked what two things Ivanka and Donald had in
common when they both appeared on her show.

Ivanka responded "real estate" and "golf" but Trump said:

"Well, I was going to say sex but I can�t relate that."

9. When he put both hands on her hips

In July 2016 at the Republican National Convention Ivankaintroduced her dad
on stage.

He proceeded to kiss her on both cheeks then put his hands on her hips for
literally no discernible reason.

10. If I weren�t happily married and, you know, her father...'

In 2015, in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, he said: �Yeah,
[Ivanka's] really something and what a beauty, that one."

He then made the "if I weren't her father" comment and trailed off. We'll
let you decide what he was going to end on.
11. �[I kiss Ivanka] with every chance I get.�

When the host of the Dr Oz Show remarked that "It�s nice to see a dad kiss
his daughter", Trump reportedly responded:

"[I kiss Ivanka] with every chance I get."

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Rip Johnson Jr. wrote:
> In the spring of 2012, Donald Trump’s two eldest children

Wow, the TDS desperation is strong in this one!

Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
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Glen Piper wrote:
> That's just like when Trump had sex with Barron all those times

So much desperation it had to change socks!

Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
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Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote in news:v8bcb6$15bkl$1@dont-email.me:

> Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> |
>> | Trump's nephew Fred Trump endorses Kamala Harris for
>> | president
>> | ...
>> | [21-second ABC video at URL]
>> |
>> <https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818315193119539210>
>>
>> --bks
>>
>> Such a weird family.
>>
>
> The Trump family is a weird family?? Take a look at the Biden family.
> I would say that the Trump kids have turned out a lot better than those
> in the BIden family.

If the Trump kids are so great
why cannot any of them hold down a
regular job?

They are parasitic worms who
have spent their whole spoiled
lives living off their daddy's
money. And dare to claim how they
understand the lives of working
Americans.

Subject: Re: Trump Family Values
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 18:29:11 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

> |
> | Trump's nephew Fred Trump endorses Kamala Harris for
> | president
> | ...
> | [21-second ABC video at URL]
> |
><https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818315193119539210>
>
> --bks
>
>Such a weird family.

Vladimir Solvyov: "A hillbilly ruse!"
*****************************
"From a poor family, from a log cabin. 'I became a Senator in 2022, now I'll be a VP. If
something befalls the 78-year-old Comrade, then I will lead all of you."
Solvyov: "A hillbilly ruse!"
Then Sidorov comments that Trump and Vance want to take America back to the 1950s and
1960s. They even complain about his beard!
It's HILARIOUS!
More at: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5tOrJQRLMg>

#nevertrump

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On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 18:29:11 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

> |
> | Trump's nephew Fred Trump endorses Kamala Harris for
> | president
> | ...
> | [21-second ABC video at URL]
> |
><https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818315193119539210>
>
> --bks
>
>Such a weird family.

World Leaders Pay Tribute to Biden as He Ends Reelection Bid
<https://www.nbcrightnow.com/national/world-leaders-pay-tribute-to-biden-as-he-ends-re-election-bid/article_2c5b3b93-70b7-5f40-b798-4314b4b788ca.html>
https://tinyurl.com/yc5966wf

"Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky thanked Biden for taking "bold steps" in supporting
his country, praising the US president's "tough but strong decision" to end his reelection
bid."
https://tinyurl.com/yc5966wf

"Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk praised Biden for taking "many difficult decisions
thanks to which Poland, America and the world are safer, and democracy stronger.""
https://tinyurl.com/yc5966wf

#nevertrump

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On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 13:44:50 -0500, Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote:

>Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> |
>> | Trump's nephew Fred Trump endorses Kamala Harris for
>> | president
>> | ...
>> | [21-second ABC video at URL]
>> |
>> <https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818315193119539210>
>>
>> --bks
>>
>> Such a weird family.
>>
>
>The Trump family is a weird family?? Take a look at the Biden family.
>I would say that the Trump kids have turned out a lot better than those
>in the BIden family.

World Leaders Pay Tribute to Biden as He Ends Reelection Bid
<https://www.nbcrightnow.com/national/world-leaders-pay-tribute-to-biden-as-he-ends-re-election-bid/article_2c5b3b93-70b7-5f40-b798-4314b4b788ca.html>
https://tinyurl.com/yc5966wf

"UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer said he respected Biden's decision. I know that, as he
has done throughout his remarkable career, he will have made his decision based on what he
believes is best for the American people," said Starmer."
https://tinyurl.com/yc5966wf

"German Chancellor Olaf Scholz also paid tribute to "my friend". "Joe Biden has achieved
a lot: for his country, for Europe, for the world," he said. "His decision not to run
again deserves respect."
https://tinyurl.com/yc5966wf

#nevertrump

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World Leaders Pay Tribute to Biden as He Ends Reelection Bid
<https://www.nbcrightnow.com/national/world-leaders-pay-tribute-to-biden-as-he-ends-re-election-bid/article_2c5b3b93-70b7-5f40-b798-4314b4b788ca.html>
https://tinyurl.com/yc5966wf

"Israel's Defence Minister Yoav Gallant thanked Biden for his "unwavering support of
Israel over the years". He added: "Your steadfast backing, especially during the war, has
been invaluable. We are grateful for your leadership and friendship."
https://tinyurl.com/yc5966wf

"Japan's premier said he recognized that Biden's announcement is one "he feels is the best
political decision he can make. The Japan-US alliance is the cornerstone of our country's
diplomacy and security, so we will monitor the situation closely," Prime Minister Fumio
Kishida said.
https://tinyurl.com/yc5966wf

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Mali fighters overwhelm a Wagner convoy. One twitter account this was reported in has
been suspended by X.
<https://x.com/GlasnostGone/status/1817996319425786188>

But there are other reports such as this one showing the victorious Mali Tuareg tribesmen
displaying the Ukrainian flag. Apparently UA special force are helping Africans disrupt
Wagner group operations in west and central Africa. Expect the French to follow suit
after the Olympics.
"Wagner Group Confirms Fighters Killed Battling Mali Rebels" with pictures.
<https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/29/wagner-group-confirms-fighters-killed-battling-mali-rebels-a85858>

"What We Know About Russian Mercenary Losses in Mali" with pictures.
<https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/29/what-we-know-about-russian-mercenary-losses-in-mali-a85865>

"Rebels in Mali Display Ukrainian Flag After Wagner Defeat" with pictures
<https://www.kyivpost.com/post/36557>

More on Russians' defeat in Mali with video
<https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1817928897767301211>

Russia has discovered Ukrainian special forces at work in Mali.
<https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1817606966870479006>

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"Meanwhile in Russia, naval sailors are giving Putin the Nazi salute. And Russians said
that the Nazis are Ukrainians."
<https://x.com/GoncharenkoUa/status/1817629365540143287>

"State Duma deputy Evgeny Fedorov is telling Russians they need to accept the defeat of
the Russian Fleet in the Black Sea as they’ve accepted the loss of Kherson. "
Fedorov probably won't live long talking like this!
<https://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1818157522504536326>

Russia celebrates Navy Day in the Baltic but not in the Black.
More than a third of the Black Seafloor Fleet has been damaged, sunk or destroyed by an
enemy with no navy.
"It was RU Navy Day today, but there was no parade in the Black Sea Fleet. You wonder
why…"
<https://x.com/carlbildt/status/1817648776372224391>

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