|
| Key Findings
|
| o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
| state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
| billion, was paid to the federal government while the
| remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
| governments.
|
| o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
| taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
| every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
| country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
| tax revenue.
| ...
<https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>

--bks

bks@panix.com wrote in news:vlbfg2$k5r$1@panix1.panix.com:

> |
> | Key Findings
> |
> | o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
> | state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
> | billion, was paid to the federal government while the
> | remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> | governments.
> |
> | o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
> | taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
> | every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
> | country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
> | tax revenue.
> | ...
> <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
>
> --bks
>

Exactly.

Economic benefits of illegal immigration
outweigh the costs
May 18, 2020

The economic benefits of illegal immigration
are greater than the costs of the public
services utilized, according to an expert at
Rice University�s Baker Institute for Public
Policy.

Indeed, for every dollar the Texas state
government spends on public services for
undocumented immigrants, new research
indicates, the state collects $1.21 in
revenue.

"Undocumented residents have a positive
influence and impact on the economy,
since they pay taxes and fees and
constitute an important part of the labor
market. Even if we consider the costs of
undocumented immigrants to the state of
Texas, the benefits outweigh the costs."

In 2018, the year on which the report
is based, Texas had "an estimated
1.6 million undocumented residents,
representing 5.7% of the total state
population," according to the paper.
Those residents support the economy by
working in industries such as
construction, agriculture, manufacturing
and services � with an unemployment rate
of only 5.7% in the state, according to
the paper. They pay sales tax and
consumer taxes, such as on gasoline and
motor vehicle inspections.

In fiscal year 2018, Texas collected
$2.4 billion in state taxes from this
group.

"Like any other Texan, undocumented
immigrants pay sales and excise taxes
when they buy goods and services," he
wrote. "They pay property taxes on
their owned or rented houses. Other
payments that undocumented immigrants
make to the state are related to fees
and fines, tuition and utilities."

The analysis found that illegal
immigration cost Texas a total of
$2 billion in 2018 through education,
health care and incarceration costs.
These include costs associated with
public schools, higher education,
substance abuse services, immunizations
and emergency health care.

Rodr�guez-S�nchez also analyzed the
potential impact of deporting all such
residents from Texas. �In this case,
deportation would represent a shock to
the Texan economy,� he wrote.

"If all undocumented workers were
deported, Texas would lose more than
$41.9 billion in direct employment
compensation, defined as pretax salary
and wage earnings. The total lost would
be $70.3 billion, which represents a
reduction of 7.7% in state employment
compensation,� he wrote. �If even 20%
of this group were deported, the state
would lose approximately $8.4 billion
in direct employee compensation, and
the total impact would be $14 billion."

The report estimates that tax revenue
collected from such residents exceeded
what the state spent on them, resulting
in a net benefit of approximately
$420.9 million in fiscal year 2018.

"This means that for every dollar spent
on public services for undocumented
immigrants, they provide $1.21 in fiscal
revenue for the state of Texas,"
Rodriguez-Sanchez wrote.
https://tinyurl.com/536na78h

On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:

> |
> | Key Findings
> |
> | o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
> | state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
> | billion, was paid to the federal government while the
> | remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> | governments.
> |
> | o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
> | taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
> | every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
> | country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
> | tax revenue.
> | ...
><https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
>
> --bks

How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
are...illegal?

Duh.

bks@panix.com wrote:
> |
> | Key Findings
> |
> | o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
> | state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
> | billion, was paid to the federal government while the
> | remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> | governments.
> |
> | o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
> | taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
> | every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
> | country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
> | tax revenue.
> | ...
> <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
>
> --bks
>

Are you going to post how much the government spends to accommodate the
illegals? That would be items like medical expenses, debit cards,
housing, schooling for their children, transportation costs, cell
phones, etc, etc.

NoBody wrote:

> On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Key Findings
> > >
> > > o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
> > > state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
> > > billion, was paid to the federal government while the
> > > remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> > > governments.
> > >
> > > o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
> > > taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
> > > every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
> > > country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
> > > tax revenue.
> > > ...
> > <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
> >
> > --bks
>
> How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
> are...illegal?

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants
July 30 2024

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7
billion in federal, state, and local
taxes in 2022. Most of that amount,
$59.4 billion, was paid to the
federal government while the
remaining $37.3 billion was paid to
state and local governments.

Undocumented immigrants paid federal,
state, and local taxes of $8,889 per
person in 2022. In other words, for
every 1 million undocumented
immigrants who reside in the country,
public services receive $8.9 billion
in additional tax revenue.

More than a third of the tax dollars
paid by undocumented immigrants go
toward payroll taxes dedicated to
funding programs that these workers
are barred from accessing.

Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7
billion in Social Security taxes,
$6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and
$1.8 billion in unemployment
insurance taxes in 2022.

Six states raised more than $1 billion
each in tax revenue from undocumented
immigrants living within their borders.
Those states are California ($8.5
billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New
York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8
billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion),
and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

Undocumented Immigrants in US Pay
Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes
july 30 2024
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-30/undocumented-immigrants-in-us-paid-nearly-100-billion-in-taxes?embedded-checkout=true

Undocumented Texans Paid $4.9
Billion in State and Local Taxes
in 2022
AUGUST 6, 2024
https://everytexan.org/2024/08/06/undocumented-texans-paid-4-9-billion-in-state-and-local-taxes-in-2022/

Undocumented Immigrants Pay $1.8
Billion in Florida Taxes a Year
July 30, 2024
https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/undocumented-immigrants-pay-1-8-billion-in-florida-taxes-a-year-national-study-finds

NoBody wrote:
> On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Key Findings
>> |
>> | o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
>> | state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
>> | billion, was paid to the federal government while the
>> | remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
>> | governments.
>> |
>> | o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
>> | taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
>> | every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
>> | country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
>> | tax revenue.
>> | ...
>> <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
>>
>> --bks
>
> How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
> are...illegal?
>
> Duh.
>

So you do not know about the radio tags built into coins.

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In article <hsqcnVcIMuiv7OT6nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
cleetis@gmail.com says...
>
> NoBody wrote:
>
> > On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Key Findings
> > > >
> > > > o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
> > > > state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
> > > > billion, was paid to the federal government while the
> > > > remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> > > > governments.
> > > >
> > > > o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
> > > > taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
> > > > every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
> > > > country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
> > > > tax revenue.
> > > > ...
> > > <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/ " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
> > >
> > > --bks
> >
> > How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
> > are...illegal?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants
> July 30 2024
>
> Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7
> billion in federal, state, and local
> taxes in 2022. Most of that amount,
> $59.4 billion, was paid to the
> federal government while the
> remaining $37.3 billion was paid to
> state and local governments.
>
> Undocumented immigrants paid federal,
> state, and local taxes of $8,889 per
> person in 2022. In other words, for
> every 1 million undocumented
> immigrants who reside in the country,
> public services receive $8.9 billion
> in additional tax revenue.
>
> More than a third of the tax dollars
> paid by undocumented immigrants go
> toward payroll taxes dedicated to
> funding programs that these workers
> are barred from accessing.
>
> Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7
> billion in Social Security taxes,
> $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and
> $1.8 billion in unemployment
> insurance taxes in 2022.
>
> Six states raised more than $1 billion
> each in tax revenue from undocumented
> immigrants living within their borders.
> Those states are California ($8.5
> billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New
> York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8
> billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion),
> and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
> https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
>
>
>
> Undocumented Immigrants in US Pay
> Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes
> july 30 2024
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-30/undocumented-immigrants-in-us-paid-nearly-100-billion-in-taxes?embedded-checkout=true
>
>
>
> Undocumented Texans Paid $4.9
> Billion in State and Local Taxes
> in 2022
> AUGUST 6, 2024
> https://everytexan.org/2024/08/06/undocumented-texans-paid-4-9-billion-in-state-and-local-taxes-in-2022/
>
>
> Undocumented Immigrants Pay $1.8
> Billion in Florida Taxes a Year
> July 30, 2024
> https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/undocumented-immigrants-pay-1-8-billion-in-florida-taxes-a-year-national-study-finds

If they don't have a SSN how are they paying taxes?

Skeeter wrote:
> In article <hsqcnVcIMuiv7OT6nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> cleetis@gmail.com says...
>>
>> NoBody wrote:
>>
>>> On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Key Findings
>>>>>
>>>>> o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
>>>>> state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
>>>>> billion, was paid to the federal government while the
>>>>> remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
>>>>> governments.
>>>>>
>>>>> o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
>>>>> taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
>>>>> every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
>>>>> country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
>>>>> tax revenue.
>>>>> ...
>>>> <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/ " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
>>> are...illegal?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants
>> July 30 2024
>>
>> Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7
>> billion in federal, state, and local
>> taxes in 2022. Most of that amount,
>> $59.4 billion, was paid to the
>> federal government while the
>> remaining $37.3 billion was paid to
>> state and local governments.
>>
>> Undocumented immigrants paid federal,
>> state, and local taxes of $8,889 per
>> person in 2022. In other words, for
>> every 1 million undocumented
>> immigrants who reside in the country,
>> public services receive $8.9 billion
>> in additional tax revenue.
>>
>> More than a third of the tax dollars
>> paid by undocumented immigrants go
>> toward payroll taxes dedicated to
>> funding programs that these workers
>> are barred from accessing.
>>
>> Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7
>> billion in Social Security taxes,
>> $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and
>> $1.8 billion in unemployment
>> insurance taxes in 2022.
>>
>> Six states raised more than $1 billion
>> each in tax revenue from undocumented
>> immigrants living within their borders.
>> Those states are California ($8.5
>> billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New
>> York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8
>> billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion),
>> and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
>> https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
>>
>>
>>
>> Undocumented Immigrants in US Pay
>> Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes
>> july 30 2024
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-30/undocumented-immigrants-in-us-paid-nearly-100-billion-in-taxes?embedded-checkout=true
>>
>>
>>
>> Undocumented Texans Paid $4.9
>> Billion in State and Local Taxes
>> in 2022
>> AUGUST 6, 2024
>> https://everytexan.org/2024/08/06/undocumented-texans-paid-4-9-billion-in-state-and-local-taxes-in-2022/
>>
>>
>> Undocumented Immigrants Pay $1.8
>> Billion in Florida Taxes a Year
>> July 30, 2024
>> https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/undocumented-immigrants-pay-1-8-billion-in-florida-taxes-a-year-national-study-finds
>
> If they don't have a SSN how are they paying taxes?
>
they aren't because they have no taxable income

On 1/4/2025 7:11 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Key Findings
>> |
>> | o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
>> | state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
>> | billion, was paid to the federal government while the
>> | remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
>> | governments.
>> |
>> | o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
>> | taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
>> | every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
>> | country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
>> | tax revenue.
>> | ...
>> <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
>>
>> --bks
>
> How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
> are...illegal?

Valid statistical estimation techniques. You wouldn't know anything about that.

In article <eTgeP.32733$mi11.32613@fx48.iad>, noemail@aol.com says...
>
> On 1/4/2025 7:11 AM, NoBody wrote:
> > On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:
> >
> >> |
> >> | Key Findings
> >> |
> >> | o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
> >> | state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
> >> | billion, was paid to the federal government while the
> >> | remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> >> | governments.
> >> |
> >> | o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
> >> | taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
> >> | every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
> >> | country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
> >> | tax revenue.
> >> | ...
> >> <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
> >>
> >> --bks
> >
> > How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
> > are...illegal?
>
> Valid statistical estimation techniques. You wouldn't know anything about that.

So it's bullshit then.

% wrote:

> Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <hsqcnVcIMuiv7OT6nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > cleetis@gmail.com says...
> > >
> > > NoBody wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:
> > > >
> >>>>> Key Findings
> >>>>> o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
> >>>>> state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
> >>>>> billion, was paid to the federal government while the
> >>>>> remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> >>>>> governments.
> > > > > >
> >>>>> o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
> >>>>> taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
> >>>>> every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
> >>>>> country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
> >>>>> tax revenue.
> >>>>> ...
> > > > > <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/ " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
> > > > >
> >>>> --bks
> > > >
> > > > How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
> > > > are...illegal?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants
> > > July 30 2024
> > >
> > > Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7
> > > billion in federal, state, and local
> > > taxes in 2022. Most of that amount,
> > > $59.4 billion, was paid to the
> > > federal government while the
> > > remaining $37.3 billion was paid to
> > > state and local governments.
> > >
> > > Undocumented immigrants paid federal,
> > > state, and local taxes of $8,889 per
> > > person in 2022. In other words, for
> > > every 1 million undocumented
> > > immigrants who reside in the country,
> > > public services receive $8.9 billion
> > > in additional tax revenue.
> > >
> > > More than a third of the tax dollars
> > > paid by undocumented immigrants go
> > > toward payroll taxes dedicated to
> > > funding programs that these workers
> > > are barred from accessing.
> > >
> > > Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7
> > > billion in Social Security taxes,
> > > $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and
> > > $1.8 billion in unemployment
> > > insurance taxes in 2022.
> > >
> > > Six states raised more than $1 billion
> > > each in tax revenue from undocumented
> > > immigrants living within their borders.
> > > Those states are California ($8.5
> > > billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New
> > > York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8
> >> billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion),
> > > and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
> > > https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Undocumented Immigrants in US Pay
> > > Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes
> > > july 30 2024
> > >
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-30/undocumented-immigrants-in-us-paid-nearly-100-billion-in-taxes?embedded-checkout=true
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Undocumented Texans Paid $4.9
> > > Billion in State and Local Taxes
> > > in 2022
> > > AUGUST 6, 2024
> > > https://everytexan.org/2024/08/06/undocumented-texans-paid-4-9-billion-in-state-and-local-taxes-in-2022/
> > >
> > >
> > > Undocumented Immigrants Pay $1.8
> > > Billion in Florida Taxes a Year
> > > July 30, 2024
> > >
https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/undocumented-immigrants-pay-1-8-billion-in-florida-taxes-a-year-national-study-finds
> >
> > If they don't have a SSN how are they paying taxes?
> >
> they aren't because they have no taxable income

You think immigrants don't pay
sales taxes and property taxes and
payroll taxes?

NoBody wrote:
> No tell us how illegals, who don't have the documentation necessary to
> be on payrolls legally pay payroll and Social Security taxes.

Employers collect the taxes, idiot.

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In article <XnsB262530C76AD2629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote in news:vloca6$3bcm5$1@dont-email.me:
>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> How many illegals was Reagan talking about in 1986?? My guess is the
> >>> number is much higher now, especially after what Biden has done.
> >>
> >>
> >> And what are all those illegals doing?
> >
> > Raping women, lighting people on fire, stealing, working for cash and
> > not paying taxes, and sending money home. Costing this country millions
> > for education, medical, and housing. Need to hear more??
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Undocumented immigrants far less likely
> to commit crimes in U.S. than citizens
> December 7, 2020
> http://tinyurl.com/2ru8d87a
>
>
>
> Immigrants Are Less Likely To Commit
> Homicide, Sex Crimes, and Larceny Than
> Native-Born Americans
> 5.13.2021
> http://tinyurl.com/yc5p73hb

Your sources seem questionable.

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote in news:vloca6$3bcm5$1@dont-email.me:
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How many illegals was Reagan talking about in 1986?? My guess is the
>>>> number is much higher now, especially after what Biden has done.
>>>
>>>
>>> And what are all those illegals doing?
>>
>> Raping women, lighting people on fire, stealing, working for cash and
>> not paying taxes, and sending money home. Costing this country millions
>> for education, medical, and housing. Need to hear more??
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Undocumented immigrants far less likely
> to commit crimes in U.S. than citizens
> December 7, 2020
> http://tinyurl.com/2ru8d87a

You *DO* realize that the year is presently 2025, and since December
2020, *MILLIONS* of illegals have been allowed to enter by our senile
president. Saying that it is not a problem when 4 or 5 years have past,
is like stating that the weather in LA is clear and beautiful.
>
>
>
> Immigrants Are Less Likely To Commit
> Homicide, Sex Crimes, and Larceny Than
> Native-Born Americans
> 5.13.2021
> http://tinyurl.com/yc5p73hb
>
>
>

On 1/9/2025 4:12 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jan 2025 16:36:25 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cune I. Form wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/7/2025 7:27 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>> On 1/7/2025 4:09 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> They're working under the table but are paying payroll taxes
>>>>
>>>> Most are not working under the table.
>>>>
>>>>    Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes
>>>>    in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal
>>>>    government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
>>>>    governments.
>>>>>    https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
>>>>
>>>> You don't know what you're talking about. You never do.
>>>
>>> Kremlin Girl is facts-averse. Her main purpose is to inject
>>> as much FUD as possible. Nothing else.
>>
>>
>>
>> True. She lies even when she
>> doesn't have to. Bizarre.
>>
>
> Interesting that you can't tell us how illegals, who have no I-9's or
> valid work permits get legally hired and pay payroll taxes.

You fucking dope: they *aren't* legally hired. But they are hired, and their
employers deduct income and payroll taxes from their pay.

On 1/9/2025 4:17 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jan 2025 16:37:36 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Siri Cruise wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/7/2025 4:09 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2025 17:51:43 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> % wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <hsqcnVcIMuiv7OT6nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>> cleetis@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Key Findings
>>>>>>>>>>> o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
>>>>>>>>>>> state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
>>>>>>>>>>> billion, was paid to the federal government while the
>>>>>>>>>>> remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
>>>>>>>>>>> governments.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
>>>>>>>>>>> taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
>>>>>>>>>>> every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
>>>>>>>>>>> country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
>>>>>>>>>>> tax revenue.
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/ " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --bks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
>>>>>>>>> are...illegal?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants
>>>>>>>> July 30 2024
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7
>>>>>>>> billion in federal, state, and local
>>>>>>>> taxes in 2022. Most of that amount,
>>>>>>>> $59.4 billion, was paid to the
>>>>>>>> federal government while the
>>>>>>>> remaining $37.3 billion was paid to
>>>>>>>> state and local governments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants paid federal,
>>>>>>>> state, and local taxes of $8,889 per
>>>>>>>> person in 2022. In other words, for
>>>>>>>> every 1 million undocumented
>>>>>>>> immigrants who reside in the country,
>>>>>>>> public services receive $8.9 billion
>>>>>>>> in additional tax revenue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More than a third of the tax dollars
>>>>>>>> paid by undocumented immigrants go
>>>>>>>> toward payroll taxes dedicated to
>>>>>>>> funding programs that these workers
>>>>>>>> are barred from accessing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7
>>>>>>>> billion in Social Security taxes,
>>>>>>>> $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and
>>>>>>>> $1.8 billion in unemployment
>>>>>>>> insurance taxes in 2022.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Six states raised more than $1 billion
>>>>>>>> each in tax revenue from undocumented
>>>>>>>> immigrants living within their borders.
>>>>>>>> Those states are California ($8.5
>>>>>>>> billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New
>>>>>>>> York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8
>>>>>>>> billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion),
>>>>>>>> and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
>>>>>>>> https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Undocumented Immigrants in US Pay
>>>>>>>> Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes
>>>>>>>> july 30 2024
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-30/undocumented-immigrants-in-us-paid-nearly-100-billion-in-taxes?embedded-checkout=true
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Undocumented Texans Paid $4.9
>>>>>>>> Billion in State and Local Taxes
>>>>>>>> in 2022
>>>>>>>> AUGUST 6, 2024
>>>>>>>>
>> https://everytexan.org/2024/08/06/undocumented-texans-paid-4-9-billion-in-state-and-local-taxes-in-2022/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Undocumented Immigrants Pay $1.8
>>>>>>>> Billion in Florida Taxes a Year
>>>>>>>> July 30, 2024
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/undocumented-immigrants-pay-1-8-billion-in-florida-taxes-a-year-national-study-finds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they don't have a SSN how are they paying taxes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> they aren't because they have no taxable income
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You think immigrants don't pay
>>>>> sales taxes and property taxes and
>>>>> payroll taxes?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They're working under the table but are paying payroll taxes
>>>
>>> Most are not working under the table.
>>>
>>> Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes
>>> in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal
>>> government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
>>> governments.
>>>
>>> Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per
>>> person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants
>>> who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
>>> tax revenue.
>>>
>>> More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go
>>> toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are
>>> barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social
>>> Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in
>>> unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
>>>
>>> https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
>>>
>>> You don't know what you're talking about. You never do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Facts 1, "Nobody" 0.

A regular occurrence.

>>
>
> Interesting given that I asked several obvious question [sic] above that you
> refused to answer and ran from.
>
>
> From the stupid ITEP "study":

The study is legitimate.

>
> "To accomplish this, the study combines well-established techniques
> for estimating the size and tax-relevant characteristics of the
> undocumented population with the trove of data underlying ITEP’s
> comprehensive studies of U.S. tax incidence.[1] In doing so, it
> arrives at nationwide estimates of the overall tax contributions of
> the estimated 10.9 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S.
> as of 2022, as well as state-by-state estimates for those immigrants’
> payments of state and local taxes.[2] The report also forecasts the
> growth in tax contributions that would occur under a scenario in which
> these taxpayers were granted work authorization.
>
> "
>
> Translation: They GUESSED.

On 1/9/2025 6:57 AM, "Ken," dirty-diaper-wearing shit-encrusted geriatric lying
Nazi fat fuck, lied:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote in news:vloca6$3bcm5$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> How many illegals was Reagan talking about in 1986??  My guess is the
>>>>> number is much higher now, especially after what Biden has done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        And what are all those illegals doing?
>>>
>>> Raping women, lighting people on fire, stealing, working for cash and
>>> not paying taxes, and sending money home.  Costing this country millions
>>> for education, medical, and housing.  Need to hear more??
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Undocumented immigrants far less likely
>> to commit crimes in U.S. than citizens
>> December 7, 2020
>> http://tinyurl.com/2ru8d87a
>
> You *DO* realize that the year is presently 2025, and since December 2020,
> *MILLIONS* of illegals have been allowed to enter

That's a lie, "Ken," you shit-encrusted geriatric.

Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote in news:vloo56$3djo5$1@dont-email.me:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote in news:vloca6$3bcm5$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> How many illegals was Reagan talking about in 1986?? My guess is
>>>>> the number is much higher now, especially after what Biden has
>>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And what are all those illegals doing?
>>>
>>> Raping women, lighting people on fire, stealing, working for cash
>>> and not paying taxes, and sending money home. Costing this country
>>> millions for education, medical, and housing. Need to hear more??
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Undocumented immigrants far less likely
>> to commit crimes in U.S. than citizens
>> December 7, 2020
>> http://tinyurl.com/2ru8d87a
>
> You *DO* realize that the year is presently 2025, and since December
> 2020, *MILLIONS* of illegals have been allowed to enter by our senile
> president. Saying that it is not a problem when 4 or 5 years have
> past, is like stating that the weather in LA is clear and beautiful.

Show us the percent of crimes committed
by illegals since 2021, if you think that
makes a difference.

>>
>> Immigrants Are Less Likely To Commit
>> Homicide, Sex Crimes, and Larceny Than
>> Native-Born Americans
>> 5.13.2021
>> http://tinyurl.com/yc5p73hb
>>
>>
>>
>
>

In article <oDTfP.922636$bYV2.191503@fx17.iad>, chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com
says...
>
> On 1/9/2025 4:12 AM, NoBody wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Jan 2025 16:36:25 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Cune I. Form wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/7/2025 7:27 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> >>>> On 1/7/2025 4:09 AM, NoBody wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They're working under the table but are paying payroll taxes
> >>>>
> >>>> Most are not working under the table.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes
> >>>>    in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal
> >>>>    government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> >>>>    governments.
> >>>>>    https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
> >>>>
> >>>> You don't know what you're talking about. You never do.
> >>>
> >>> Kremlin Girl is facts-averse. Her main purpose is to inject
> >>> as much FUD as possible. Nothing else.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> True. She lies even when she
> >> doesn't have to. Bizarre.
> >>
> >
> > Interesting that you can't tell us how illegals, who have no I-9's or
> > valid work permits get legally hired and pay payroll taxes.
>
> You fucking dope: they *aren't* legally hired. But they are hired, and their
> employers deduct income and payroll taxes from their pay.

So when the employers turn it over to the government who do they say
it's coming from? What SSN do they use?

In article <JDTfP.922637$bYV2.467399@fx17.iad>, joelcrump@gmail.com
says...
>
> On 1/9/2025 4:17 AM, NoBody wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Jan 2025 16:37:36 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Siri Cruise wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/7/2025 4:09 AM, NoBody wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2025 17:51:43 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> % wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <hsqcnVcIMuiv7OT6nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>>>>> cleetis@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 4 Jan 2025 14:10:10 -0000, bks@panix.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Key Findings
> >>>>>>>>>>> o Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
> >>>>>>>>>>> state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4
> >>>>>>>>>>> billion, was paid to the federal government while the
> >>>>>>>>>>> remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> >>>>>>>>>>> governments.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> o Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local
> >>>>>>>>>>> taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for
> >>>>>>>>>>> every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the
> >>>>>>>>>>> country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
> >>>>>>>>>>> tax revenue.
> >>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>> <https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/ " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --bks
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> How did they determine illegals were paying these taxes if they
> >>>>>>>>> are...illegal?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants
> >>>>>>>> July 30 2024
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7
> >>>>>>>> billion in federal, state, and local
> >>>>>>>> taxes in 2022. Most of that amount,
> >>>>>>>> $59.4 billion, was paid to the
> >>>>>>>> federal government while the
> >>>>>>>> remaining $37.3 billion was paid to
> >>>>>>>> state and local governments.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants paid federal,
> >>>>>>>> state, and local taxes of $8,889 per
> >>>>>>>> person in 2022. In other words, for
> >>>>>>>> every 1 million undocumented
> >>>>>>>> immigrants who reside in the country,
> >>>>>>>> public services receive $8.9 billion
> >>>>>>>> in additional tax revenue.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> More than a third of the tax dollars
> >>>>>>>> paid by undocumented immigrants go
> >>>>>>>> toward payroll taxes dedicated to
> >>>>>>>> funding programs that these workers
> >>>>>>>> are barred from accessing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7
> >>>>>>>> billion in Social Security taxes,
> >>>>>>>> $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and
> >>>>>>>> $1.8 billion in unemployment
> >>>>>>>> insurance taxes in 2022.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Six states raised more than $1 billion
> >>>>>>>> each in tax revenue from undocumented
> >>>>>>>> immigrants living within their borders.
> >>>>>>>> Those states are California ($8.5
> >>>>>>>> billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New
> >>>>>>>> York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8
> >>>>>>>> billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion),
> >>>>>>>> and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
> >>>>>>>> https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Undocumented Immigrants in US Pay
> >>>>>>>> Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes
> >>>>>>>> july 30 2024
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-30/undocumented-immigrants-in-us-paid-nearly-100-billion-in-taxes?embedded-checkout=true
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Undocumented Texans Paid $4.9
> >>>>>>>> Billion in State and Local Taxes
> >>>>>>>> in 2022
> >>>>>>>> AUGUST 6, 2024
> >>>>>>>>
> >> https://everytexan.org/2024/08/06/undocumented-texans-paid-4-9-billion-in-state-and-local-taxes-in-2022/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Undocumented Immigrants Pay $1.8
> >>>>>>>> Billion in Florida Taxes a Year
> >>>>>>>> July 30, 2024
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/undocumented-immigrants-pay-1-8-billion-in-florida-taxes-a-year-national-study-finds
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If they don't have a SSN how are they paying taxes?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> they aren't because they have no taxable income
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You think immigrants don't pay
> >>>>> sales taxes and property taxes and
> >>>>> payroll taxes?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> They're working under the table but are paying payroll taxes
> >>>
> >>> Most are not working under the table.
> >>>
> >>> Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes
> >>> in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal
> >>> government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local
> >>> governments.
> >>>
> >>> Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per
> >>> person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants
> >>> who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional
> >>> tax revenue.
> >>>
> >>> More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go
> >>> toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are
> >>> barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social
> >>> Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in
> >>> unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
> >>>
> >>> https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
> >>>
> >>> You don't know what you're talking about. You never do.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Facts 1, "Nobody" 0.
>
> A regular occurrence.
>
> >>
> >
> > Interesting given that I asked several obvious question [sic] above that you
> > refused to answer and ran from.
> >
> >
> > From the stupid ITEP "study":
>
> The study is legitimate.
>
> >
> > "To accomplish this, the study combines well-established techniques
> > for estimating the size and tax-relevant characteristics of the
> > undocumented population with the trove of data underlying ITEP?s
> > comprehensive studies of U.S. tax incidence.[1] In doing so, it
> > arrives at nationwide estimates of the overall tax contributions of
> > the estimated 10.9 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S.
> > as of 2022, as well as state-by-state estimates for those immigrants?
> > payments of state and local taxes.[2] The report also forecasts the
> > growth in tax contributions that would occur under a scenario in which
> > these taxpayers were granted work authorization.
> >
> > "
> >
> > Translation: They GUESSED.
>
> Wrong. They estimated using valid statistical techniques that you don't know
> anything about. You are innumerate.
>
> >
> > No tell us how illegals, who don't have the documentation necessary to
> > be on payrolls legally pay payroll and Social Security taxes.
>
> I've been working at my current employer since 2019. I never did complete the
> I-9 employment eligibility verification form. It was too cumbersome. All income
> and payroll taxes have been deducted from my pay.
>
> Undocumented immigrants pay many billions in taxes.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 16:04:52 -0700, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>So when the employers turn it over to the government who do they say
>it's coming from? What SSN do they use?

Whatever SSN the illegal worker gave them or they use whatever they can find.
One evidence of illegal hiring is folks getting multiple contributions to their
SS accounts. I recall a piece on this some years ago in which this example was
given: A woman in her eighties on SS was, at the same time, getting
contributions to her SS account from workers in four states.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 05:35:31 -0600, Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote:

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> How many illegals was Reagan talking about in 1986?? My guess is the
>>> number is much higher now, especially after what Biden has done.
>>
>>
>> And what are all those illegals doing?
>
>Raping women, lighting people on fire, stealing, working for cash and
>not paying taxes, and sending money home.

The Russian military is not the topic here.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 06:30:23 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>> No tell us how illegals, who don't have the documentation necessary to
>> be on payrolls legally pay payroll and Social Security taxes.
>
>Employers collect the taxes, idiot.

But one wonders, do they pass them onto Uncle Sam?

Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 06:30:23 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> NoBody wrote:
>>> No tell us how illegals, who don't have the documentation necessary to
>>> be on payrolls legally pay payroll and Social Security taxes.
>>
>> Employers collect the taxes, idiot.
>
> But one wonders, do they pass them onto Uncle Sam?
>

And risk the IRS discovering they deduct taxes but do not forward
them to IRS and SSA.

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 22:51:14 -0800, Siri Cruise
<chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 06:30:23 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>> No tell us how illegals, who don't have the documentation necessary to
>>>> be on payrolls legally pay payroll and Social Security taxes.
>>>
>>> Employers collect the taxes, idiot.
>>
>> But one wonders, do they pass them onto Uncle Sam?
>>
>
>And risk the IRS discovering they deduct taxes but do not forward
>them to IRS and SSA.

Stupid Siri thinks that illegalls who are hired get paid over the
table. You don't tax what you don't report.

Duh....