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* GOP Election Interference Is Now WidespreadBradley K. Sherman
+* Re: GOP Election Interference Is Now WidespreadLee
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  `* Re: GOP Election Interference Is Now WidespreadCharlie Glock
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| Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
| presidential election
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<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election>

--bks

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Bradley K. Sherman wrote:

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> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
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<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election>
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> --bks

GOP claims election interference
even when they win.

Trump Makes Unfounded Claim That
'Millions' Voted Illegally For
Clinton
NOVEMBER 27, 2016

https://www.npr.org/2016/11/27/503506026/trump-makes-unfounded-claim-that-millions-voted-illegally-for-clinton

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BENTONVILLE, Ark. — A man accused of killing his 6-year-old son in 2015 by sodomizing him with a stick and forcing him to do squats is on trial for the second time in an Arkansas courtroom.

Mauricio Alejandro Torres, 50, of Bella Vista, is charged with capital murder and first-degree battery, according to Benton County Jail records. He faces the death penalty if convicted.

Opening statements in the case began Thursday. On Friday, jurors heard from the emergency room doctor who tried to save Mauricio “Isaiah” Torres’s life when he was brought to Mercy Bella Vista Medical Center the night of March 29, 2015.

“He had wounds all over his body,” Dr. Franklin Mayhue said, according to the Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette. “This was an extreme picture of a child who was not only dead, but dead from a bizarre situation.”

Mayhue also testified about the lack of reaction Torres and his wife, Cathy Lynn Torres, had when he told them their son had died.

“There was an absence of a normal grieving response from parents that lost a child,” Mayhue said.

Two of Isaiah Torres’ former teachers testified Thursday afternoon about the concerns they had for his welfare during the 2013-2014 school year. Peri Heffernan, his kindergarten teacher, and music teacher Hannah Paul both told of seeing multiple large bruises on the boy’s body.

The women also testified that Isaiah stole other children’s lunches and scavenged food from the trash, the Democrat Gazette reported. Heffernan took photos of his bruises and reported her concerns to the state child abuse hotline.

No one ever responded to the report, the teachers testified. The following school year, Isaiah did not return to the school because his parents began homeschooling him.

Paul described what Isaiah was like when he was in her class.

“He had a great smile and contagious joy,” Paul said, according to the newspaper. “He was a great kid.”

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Isaiah Torres' sister testified, their dad, Mauricio Torres, made Isaiah sleep in a locked cage, or trash can in bathroom and abused him.
Isaiah had nearly 100 injuries just to his head and back, teeth knocked out, nose broken, old and fresh bruises cut welts all over his body - according to Medical Examiner, who also found signs of sexual abuse....

Mauricio Torres was found guilty Nov. 15, 2016, of both charges in the death of his son, but his conviction was later overturned. According to the Democrat Gazette, a medical examiner testified at the first trial that Isaiah died of a bacterial infection he developed after being sodomized during a family vacation in Missouri.

Isaiah died early the morning of March 30 after the family had returned home.

Cathy Torres pleaded guilty to capital murder and battery in March 2017 and was sentenced to serve life in prison without parole. Though she didn’t testify at her husband’s first trial, she is on the prosecution’s list of potential witnesses the second time around, the Democrat Gazette reported.

“As part of her plea agreement, Cathy Torres agreed to provide truthful testimony if needed,” Benton County Prosecuting Attorney Nathan Smith said, according to the newspaper. “Pursuant to the court order, we filed a witness list including everyone we may need to call at trial so that the defendant will be on notice of all potential witnesses. The actual decision of which witnesses to call will be made closer to trial as the case unfolds.”

Jail records show Cathy Torres, 48, was transferred last week to the Benton County Jail for the trial. She is usually housed at the Arkansas Department of Corrections’ McPherson Women’s Unit near Newport, according to prison records.

Editor’s note: The following portion of the story contains graphic details that may be disturbing to some readers.

According to court records, Mauricio Torres and his wife, Cathy Torres, were camping March 29, 2015, with Isaiah and their two daughters when they awoke to find Isaiah had eaten some cake without their permission.

“For the offense of eating cake without permission, Isaiah was punished by inserting a stick into his rectum and forcing him to do squats,” the court documents say.

In his confession, Mauricio Torres described Isaiah’s punishment to police by saying that spanking the boy never worked.

“I just put the stick in his bottom again, you know. Like you said, that power. And I said, ‘In the corner, you know, up and down,’” Torres told investigators.

Cathy Torres became angry that Isaiah was “not squatting fast enough,” so she pushed him down.

“This drove the stick deeper inside of Isaiah’s body and pierced his rectum,” the documents say.

Over the next several hours, Isaiah became ill. By the time they got home that night, he was unresponsive.

“(Mauricio) Torres did not seek medical care for Isaiah until nearly midnight. When emergency responders arrived, Isaiah was in cardiac arrest,” the records say. “He was transported to a hospital in Benton County, Arkansas, but soon died.”

Isaiah’s official cause of death was acute fecal purulent peritonitis, or a bacterial infection of the abdominal cavity that occurred after feces entered through his torn rectum. The feces and subsequent pus that developed killed the boy.

The forensic pathologist who conducted his autopsy also found extensive injuries on the boy’s body, in various stages of healing, and describing his condition as a “textbook case of chronic child abuse,” according to the records.

“Thick scar tissue lined the interior of Isaiah’s skull cap from repeated, significant and traumatic head injuries,” the court documents say. “Isaiah’s nose had been broken, flattened and deformed. His teeth had been forcibly removed. The injuries on his back included severe bruising, chemical burns and multiple lacerations resembling whip marks. His hands and arms were covered in defensive wounds. And, shortly before his death, Isaiah sustained substantial and traumatic blows to his head and a blunt force injury encompassing his chest, back and abdomen.”

The boy’s sister testified at their father’s trial that Isaiah was regularly beaten with a cable and with the stick that caused his death. The chemical burns he suffered were caused by his being forced to bathe with bleach, she said.

“Torres had removed Isaiah’s teeth with pliers as punishment for speaking ill of him,” the documents say. “He had forced Isaiah to consume his feces and urine. Moreover, Isaiah’s blood was found spattered throughout the Bella Vista home and the Missouri camper.”

Jurors found Mauricio Torres guilty of both charges and sentenced him to death.

Both his conviction and death sentence were overturned last year after his attorneys successfully argued that the judge erred in denying him a directed verdict on one of two theories of the crime: that the murder either took place during the course of a rape or as the result of child abuse.

The underlying crime in either scenario was necessary for a death sentence to apply in Torres’ case.

“First, the circuit court erred because the alleged acts did not meet the elements of rape as rape was defined in Missouri when the alleged offense occurred,” the Arkansas Supreme Court ruled. “Second, the alleged acts did not occur in Arkansas; therefore, Arkansas law could not have applied.”

The defense also argued that, because the rape felony murder case was legally insufficient, and it was unclear if the jury convicted Torres on the basis of rape or child abuse, his conviction should be overturned and the case remanded for a new trial.

The justices found that, while death was the consequence of the rape, it was not an element of the crime. The state, they said, could not prove that an element of the underlying crime took place in Arkansas, and prosecutors could not establish that Arkansas had jurisdiction to accuse Torres of raping his son.

“Because of this, the rape felony murder is insufficient, which in turn taints the entire verdict because the jury completed a general verdict form,” the court ruled. “Stated differently … because of the general-verdict-form formulation, we are unable to determine which formula -- rape felony murder or child abuse-murder -- the jury based its conviction on.”

Torres’ conviction and sentence were overturned by a 4-3 vote.

Read the Arkansas Supreme Court ruling below. Warning: The document contains graphic details of Isaiah Torres’ death.

Mauricio Alejandro Torres Court Ruling by National Content Desk on Scribd

https://www.scribd.com/document/449411663/Mauricio-Alejandro-Torres-Court-Ruling#from_embed
https://www.scribd.com/document/449411663/Mauricio-Alejandro-Torres-Court-Ruling#download&from_embed

Smith, who also prosecuted Torres the first time, spoke out against the high court’s ruling to 5News in Fayetteville last year.

“The vote of one justice invalidated the will of 12 jurors in Benton County and forces the victim’s family and the survivors to go through this again, so it’s a hard day for them, and it was hard to tell them that, and it’s just unfortunate,” Smith said, according to the news station.

One of the jurors in Torres’ first trial also discussed the proceedings and the difficulties the jury faced in determining whether or not to ask for a man’s execution.

“We all agreed on it, and before we even walked out of that room to get the bailiff and tell them we made a decision, we all sat there and prayed about our decision, and I think that speaks volumes for itself, because a lot of people weren’t religious, but we all came together and said, ‘We need to pray about this decision,’” Kacie Alverson said.


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BENTONVILLE – A jury was deciding Tuesday whether Mauricio Torres should be executed for killing his 6-year-old son.

The eight men and four women started deliberations on the sentencing Tuesday after hearing instructions from Benton County Circuit Judge Brad Karren and closing statements from the attorneys.

The jury found Torres, 53, guilty of capital murder and battery last week in the death of Maurice Isaiah Torres. Isaiah died March 30, 2015, from an infection caused when a stick was shoved in his rectum. A medical examiner listed chronic child abuse as a factor in Isaiah's death.

Torres could be sentenced to death or life imprisonment without the benefit of parole for the murder conviction. He faces five to 20 years in prison for the battery conviction.

Torres said in a 2015 police interview he put the stick in his son's rectum, but later testified his son was holding the stick while doing squats. Torres said Isaiah fell on the stick, and it went inside his rectum.

The jurors saw photographs of bruises and wounds covering Isaiah's body.

Torres admitted he physically abused his son, but claimed his wife was responsible for most of the abuse delivered to Isaiah. Cathy Torres, 51, pleaded guilty in 2017 to capital murder and battery. She was sentenced to life imprisonment without parole.

Prosecutors presented testimony at the sentencing from Mauricio Torres' two adult children and adult stepdaughter he physically and sexually abused them as children.

Mauricio Torres pleaded with jurors to spare his life and not sentence him to death. He also told jurors about being physically and sexually abused.

Benton County Prosecuting Attorney Nathan Smith described the case Tuesday as an ugly and dark one. He told jurors he is sure some of them will never forget the images and testimony.

"Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not got going to make you look at these pictures again, but they represent the definition of torture," Smith said.

He told jurors the justice in the case was the death penalty, and he asked each juror to sign the form for death.

"A just sentence in this case for these crimes is the death penalty," Smith said. "I'm asking you to do justice for an abused and murdered 6-year-old boy name Isaiah Torres.

Jeff Rosenzweig, one of Torres' attorneys, asked the jury to spare the life of his client. He told the panel any one of them can spare his life because the decision has to be unanimous. Rosenzweig said Torres would spend the remainder of his life in prison and probably never see a child again.

He said the jury should consider the prosecutors never alleged Torres intended to kill his son.

"He didn't intend to torture," he said.

Rosenzweig said it was the jury's responsibility to determine justice.

Rosenzweig reminded jurors about Cathy Torres denied knowledge of the crime when she testified.

"Is it fair to execute Mauricio Torres when Cathy Torres was involved?" Rosenzweig asked.

He asked jurors to consider his client's past. One of Torres' aunts testified about seeing him repeatedly beaten when he was a child. Rosenzweig said Torres suffered from lack of self esteem he was love starved due to growing up without a mother and the abuse he suffered at a child.

"He could out run his family geographically, but not in his head," Rosenzweig said.

Rosenzweig said Torres is in his 50s and in poor health.

"He's a broken wretch of man," Rosenzweig said. "His life is in your hands. He can do good in a prison environment."

Smith had the final words to the jury. He said the death penalty is reserved for people like Torres who commit monstrous acts.

Mercy is important part of the law, but Torres refuses to admit to killing his son and abusing other children, Smith said. He said Torres had no sympathy or pity for his 6-year-old son, who was an innocent and vulnerable child. He told the jury the death penalty is appropriate even if Torres was abused as a child.

Benton County prosecutors listed three aggravating factors for seeking the death penalty in the case:

• Mauricio Torres previously committed another violent felony;

• The murder was committed in an especially cruel and depraved manner; and

• The murder was committed against a victim Torres knew was especially vulnerable because the boy was 12 years old or younger.

Some of the mitigating factors listed by the defense are:

• Torres is remorseful in his son's death;

• He suffered from post traumatic stress;

• He was abandoned by his mother and denied access to her;

• His wife received a life sentence for her crimes.

• He was conceived as result of rape or incest;

• He was exposed to civil war violence while a child in El Salvador;

• He was physically, psychologically and sexually abused as a child.

• He was a hard worker and was an occupational therapist and helped others recover from illness and injuries;

• He has skills to help others in prison;

• He suffered from morbid obesity.

• He did not intend for the death of his son and attempted to revive him; and

• He has provided spiritual assistance to other inmates in the Benton County Jail.

The jury must decide that one or all the aggravating factors out weigh the mitigating factors in order to sentence Torres to death.

It's the second time a jury has deliberated on whether Torres should live or die.

Torres, who is being held without bond in the Benton County Jail, was tried, convicted and sentenced to death in 2016 in his son's murder, but the state Supreme Court overturned the conviction in 2019 and ordered Torres receive a new trial.

A second jury found Torres guilty of murder and battery. The proceedings ended during the sentencing phase March 5, 2020, when a witness jumped from the witness stand box and attempted to attack Torres. A Benton County sheriff's deputy and a bailiff stopped the witness from reaching Torres.

Karren declared a mistrial and ruled Torres should have another trial. The Arkansas attorney general's office appealed, but the Arkansas Supreme Court agreed with Karren.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2023/feb/21/jury-deliberates-between-life-and-death-for-bella/

Subject: Re: GOP Election Interference Is Now Widespread
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> |
> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
> | presidential election
> | ...
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election>
>
> --bks

Ah and here you go exactly like I just predicted...

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On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 07:30:27 -0400, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 15 Oct 2024 14:47:43 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
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>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>> | presidential election
>> | ...
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election>
>>
>> --bks
>
>Ah and here you go exactly like I just predicted...

And Bradley has run away again.

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On 10/17/2024 4:16 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 07:30:27 -0400, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15 Oct 2024 14:47:43 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>> wrote:
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>>> |
>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>>> | presidential election
>>> | ...
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election>
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>> Ah and here you go exactly like I just predicted...
>
> And Bradley has run away again.

Kremlin Girl / Bit of Nothingness petulantly and childishly whines again that
she's being ignored by her intellectual superiors.

Kremlin Girl / Bit of Nothingness sees *every one* of these.

Subject: Re: GOP Election Interference Is Now Widespread
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>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>>>> | presidential election

|
| Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
| $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
| ...
<https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>

--bks

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>>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>>>>> | presidential election
>
> |
> | Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
> | $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
> | ...
><https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>
>
> --bks

Dems buy votes directly for them all of the time. I fail to see how a
lottery that doesn't tell one HOW to to vote would be criminal. It
would be interesting to see their claim be tested in court.

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NoBody wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 10:07:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
> Sherman) wrote:
>
> >>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
> >>>>> | presidential election
> >
> > >
> > > Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
> > > $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
> > > ...
> > <https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>
> >
> > --bks
>
> Dems buy votes directly for them all of the time.

Proof?

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On 10/20/2024 7:30 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 10:07:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
> Sherman) wrote:
>
>>>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>>>>>> | presidential election
>>
>> |
>> | Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
>> | $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
>> | ...
>> <https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>
>>
>> --bks
>
> Dems buy votes directly for them all of the time.

Bullshit.

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>On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 10:07:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>Sherman) wrote:
>
>>>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>>>>>> | presidential election
>>
>> |
>> | Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
>> | $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
>> | ...
>><https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>
>>
>> --bks
>
>Dems buy votes directly for them all of the time. I fail to see how a
>lottery that doesn't tell one HOW to to vote would be criminal. It
>would be interesting to see their claim be tested in court.
>

Why would they bother when all they need to win is to reprogram the voting
machines to wipe out the Fascists for good?

There's no sense in wasting money on bribes like Trump when at a push of a
button old Trump will be defeated and then sent to his prison cell for his
beatings.

Why do you back that fucking loser anyway? Where you raped by your father as
a child or was it your mother's boyfriend?

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In article <6MaRO.88381$lm45.8881@fx05.iad>, NoBody@nowhere.com says...
>
> On 10/20/2024 7:30 AM, NoBody wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 10:07:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
> > Sherman) wrote:
> >
> >>>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
> >>>>>> | presidential election
> >>
> >> |
> >> | Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
> >> | $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
> >> | ...
> >> <https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>
> >>
> >> --bks
> >
> > Dems buy votes directly for them all of the time.
>
> Bullshit.

Yet you cant prove her wrong.

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On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:53:19 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 10:07:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>> Sherman) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>> >>>>> | presidential election
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
>> > > $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
>> > > ...
>> > <https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>
>> >
>> > --bks

Just a note that your original article is a lie as it was not a
campaign to register voters.

"

Musk announced the $1 million daily awards at a rally for Trump in
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on Saturday, and named the first winner
onsite, John Dreher.

Voters can qualify for the giveaway by signing a petition in support
of free speech and the right to bear arms run by Musk’s America
PAC—which has spent millions backing Trump’s election bid, including
by paying for door-to-door canvassing in swing states.

Voters in Pennsylvania will receive the million-dollar prize on Sunday
and Monday, and in the 15 days after, signers from either
Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin and North
Carolina will be eligible."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2024/10/20/elon-musk-giving-1-million-daily-to-swing-state-voters-who-sign-his-petition-in-latest-controversial-giveaway/

And the media just parrots the lie talking points it was about
registration.

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On 10/21/2024 4:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:53:19 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> NoBody wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 10:07:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>> Sherman) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>>>>>>>> | presidential election
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
>>>>> $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
>>>>> ...
>>>> <https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>
> Just a note that your original article is a lie as it was not a
> campaign to register voters.

Nonsense. The author of that piece, Rick Hasen, is the preeminent election law
expert in the country. He knows what an illegal voter registration effort is.

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On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:33:27 -0700, Lee <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 10/21/2024 4:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:53:19 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 10:07:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>>> Sherman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>>>>>>>>> | presidential election
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
>>>>>> $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
>>>>>> ...
>>>>> <https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>
>>>>>
>>>>> --bks
>>
>> Just a note that your original article is a lie as it was not a
>> campaign to register voters.
>
>Nonsense. The author of that piece, Rick Hasen, is the preeminent election law
>expert in the country. He knows what an illegal voter registration effort is.

He's wrong and apparently a partisan. His summary is wrong since it
has nothing to do with registering to vote.

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On 10/22/2024 4:16 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:33:27 -0700, Lee <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/21/2024 4:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:53:19 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 10:07:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>>>> Sherman) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> | Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States
>>>>>>>>>> | presidential election
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering
>>>>>>> $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> <https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> Just a note that your original article is a lie as it was not a
>>> campaign to register voters.
>>
>> Nonsense. The author of that piece, Rick Hasen, is the preeminent election law
>> expert in the country. He knows what an illegal voter registration effort is.
>
> He's wrong and apparently a partisan.

He's right and you're wrong and that's the end of it.

> His summary is wrong since it has nothing to do with registering to vote.

That's wrong. It has *everything* to do with registering.

You're working at polishing your idiocy today. Why?

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