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| Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
| Environment
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| The Editors
| ...
<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vote-for-kamala-harris-to-support-science-health-and-the-environment/>

--bks

>
>Fixed that subject line for you.
>
>I hope somebody kills everyone who works for that retard rag.
>

Science undermines right wing ideology and religious superstition which
is why undereducated and uneducated rightists regard it with suspicion,
believing those with degrees in science to be untrustworthy compared to
Trump, who has convinced them that he is the bastion of all truth.

There is no place for science in a Trump administration, especially since
he promises to bring back the good old days when science was ignored and
religion replaces it.

Righists believe in silencing scientists because the majority of what
scientists say is not what rightists want to hear.

Politics v. science: How President Trump's war on science impacted public
health and environmental regulation

Abstract

During his campaign for president, Joe Biden vowed to �end the politics
and follow the science� when dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic and other
public health and environmental crises. He was immediately criticized by
then President Trump, who cast �listen[ing] to the scientists� as
something only a fool would do, and warned that it would result in a
�massive [economic] depression.� It is hardly surprising that Trump would
take that position. After all, the Trump administration routinely
prioritized economic interests, and worked tirelessly to remove what it
viewed as unnecessary regulatory burdens on economic activity. The Trump
administration regularly suppressed, downplayed, or simply ignored
scientific research demonstrating the need for regulation to protect
public health and the environment. The Biden administration has vowed to
reverse course, but faces challenges in doing so due to the widespread
assault on science led by former President Trump.

The Trump administration's efforts to undermine science are documented in
the Silencing Science Tracker, an online database, which records anti-
science actions taken by the federal, state, and local governments.
Drawing on more than four years of tracker data�from Trump's election to
Biden's inauguration�we show that the Trump presidency fundamentally
changed how federal government agencies perform, use, and communicate
scientific research. While the Biden administration has taken initial
steps to undo some of those changes, it still has significant work to do
to restore the role of science in federal government decision-making. Its
task is made more difficult by the public distrust of science engendered
by the Trump presidency.
Keywords: Climate change, Science, Biden, Trump
Go to:
1. The Silencing Science Tracker

The Silencing Science Tracker is a joint project of the Climate Science
Legal Defense Fund1 and Columbia Law School's Sabin Center for Climate
Change Law.2 The tracker records reported attempts by federal, state, and
local government actors to restrict or prohibit scientific research,
education, or discussion, or the publication or use of scientific
information (�anti-science actions�). According to the tracker, 346 anti-
science actions were taken by the federal government between President
Trump's election and President Biden's inauguration (i.e., from November
8, 2016 to January 20, 2021). During the same period, a further 156 anti-
science actions were taken by state and local governments, but those
actions are not discussed in this chapter.

Federal actions recorded in the tracker are categorized as follows:

1.
government censorship;
2.
self-censorship;
3.
budget cuts;
4.
personnel changes;
5.
research hindrance; and
6.
bias and misrepresentation.

Within the above categories, the tracker records actions taken by the
federal executive and Congress, except legislative proposals. Many
tracker entries involve multiple types of action or actors. For the
purposes of this analysis, those entries were separated into their
component parts, resulting in 428 unique instances of anti-science
behavior, each of which involves one type of action (i.e., from the list
above), performed by one actor (e.g., a specific executive agency). The
figures shown below were calculated based on that total.. There is reason
to believe that many anti-science actions were not reported and thus are
not captured in the tracker, and therefore the total represents a
conservative estimate of anti-science actions taken between November 2016
and January 2021. In a survey conducted by the Office of Inspector
General for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), nearly 400 EPA
scientists said they had observed violations of the agency's scientific
integrity policy in the second half of 2018, but did not report them due
to �fear of retaliation, belief that reporting would make no difference,
perceived suppression or interference by Agency leadership, and belief
that politics and policy outweigh science.�3 Given the Trump
administration's widespread and continued attacks on science, similar
concerns were likely also held by scientists at other federal agencies
throughout the second half of the Trump presidency. It is, therefore,
reasonable to assume that a large number of anti-science actions went
unreported.
Go to:
2. Anti-science actions under Trump

During his first presidential campaign, Donald Trump promised to
�ensure... total [scientific] transparency and accountability without
political bias.�4 That was a promise he didn�t keep. As detailed further
below, during his four years in office, former President Trump led a
concerted effort to undermine federal scientific research, particularly
research relating to climate change. The Trump administration's attacks
on climate science dovetailed neatly with one of the former President's
key goals: to roll-back climate regulations that scientific research
shows would advance public health and environmental quality. Faced with
this contradiction, the Trump administration sought to restrict access to
scientific information or cast doubt on its veracity, thereby limiting
public understanding of the issues and reducing possible opposition to
the administration's plans. Those actions created a culture of fear among
federal scientists, leading some to voluntarily suppress or distort
information at odds with former President Trump's agenda. Many of the
scientists who did speak out were removed from their positions, while
others were prevented from conducting further research on topics deemed
�controversial,� such as climate change.
2.1. Censorship and self-censorship

During President Trump's time in office (including the transition
period), there were 154 documented instances of federal government
censorship of scientists, and 19 instances of scientists engaging in
self-censorship. Approximately 72% involved the suppression of
information about climate change. This began even before President Trump
took office. In November 2016, staff at Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention (CDC) deleted content discussing the relationship between
climate change and human health from at least four webpages, reportedly
to �avoid drawing the new president's ire.� Similar changes were made to
other federal agency websites after President Trump took office. In
total, during the Trump administration, climate change and other
scientific information was removed from the websites of twelve federal
bodies, in most cases at the direction of administration officials.5 This
made it more difficult for Americans to educate themselves about climate
change and other scientific issues, which may, in turn, have made it
easier for the Trump administration to act on those issues by allowing
them to �fly under the radar� or obscuring the consequences of
administration action.

The Trump administration also removed scientific information from
regulatory documents. For example, in or around August 2018,
administration officials deleted information6 on the local health effects
of climate change from regulatory documents supporting the weakening of
greenhouse gas emissions controls. Again, this helped the Trump
administration advance its deregulatory agenda, including by casting
doubt on the need for climate regulations. Trump administration officials
also attempted to suppress information that could lead to demands for
stricter regulation (e.g., because it shed additional light on the
impacts of climate change or demonstrated the inadequacy of that existing
attempts to address it).7 This could have lasting consequences, making it
more difficult for the current and future administrations to take
regulatory action, due to a lack of information or sense of urgency.

This type of scientific censorship was widespread during the Trump
administration, having been documented at 20 federal bodies�more than any
other type of anti-science action. Notably however, the number of
documented instances of government censorship declined slightly over
time, falling by 26% from 2017 to 2018, a further 18% in 2019, and 10%
more in 2020. This is not necessarily good news; it may simply reflect
the fact that less science was done because of personnel changes, budget
cuts, and other anti-science actions taken by the Trump Administration.
There is also reason to believe that the attacks on science created a
culture of fear among federal employees and led some to self-censor. A
survey conducted in 2016�before President Trump's election�found that 72%
of EPA scientists felt they could �openly express scientific opinions
about the Agency's scientific work without fear of retaliation.�8 That
number dropped to just 57% in a repeat survey conducted in 2018�almost
two years into Trump presidency.8 In the 2018 survey, over 600 scientists
said their �management chains do not consistently stand behind scientific
staff who put forth scientifically defensible positions, including those
that may be controversial.�8 It is, then, hardly surprising that some
scientists would choose to self-censor. However, while understandable,
such behavior could undermine public trust in science by creating the
impression that scientists �pick and choose� what to disclose and
regularly �hide� information. Both self- and government censorship may
also cause the public to question whether research conducted or overseen
by federal scientist is truly impartial and lead some to belief that such
research is inherently political and thus untrustworthy.
2.2. Personnel changes

Fixed that subject line for you.

I hope somebody kills everyone who works for that retard rag.

On 9/16/2024 3:31 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> |
> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
> | Environment
> |
> | The Editors
> | ...
> <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vote-for-kamala-harris-to-support-science-health-and-the-environment/>

Vote for Harris to prevent a return of Putin's and Orbán's cat's paw to office.
(Have you *ever* seen a more typically ugly thick-featured triple-chin Slavic
pig than Orbán?
https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1000w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-04/230412-Viktor-Orban-ew-107p-9bb868.jpg
Slavs are just vile.)

If you take any *one* of Trump's worst features, that *one* alone is more than
enough reason to want to keep him out of office. Trump sucking the dicks of
Putin, Orbán and Un is *more* than enough reason to want to keep him out of
office. But of course, there's much more. We oppose him because of:

* his embrace of domestic Nazis
* his racism
* his hatred of immigrants and all non-whites
* his tax cuts that almost exclusively help plutocrats
* his grifting
* his raping and demeaning of women (and all the rest of his misogyny)
* his vile disrespect of U.S. military, particularly those who died in combat
("losers" and "suckers" — yes, he said it; not in rational dispute)
* his perversion of U.S. foreign policy for his domestic political gain
* his insurrections and soft coups
* his pardons of felons *only* because they are his political cronies
* his overall general criminality

And of course, his embrace of foreign tyrants.

*All* of these are good reasons to despise Trump and wish to see him dead, or at
least in prison for the rest of his life.

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On 16 Sep 2024 22:31:51 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
wrote:

> |
> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
> | Environment
> |
> | The Editors
> | ...
><https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vote-for-kamala-harris-to-support-science-health-and-the-environment/>
>
> --bks

Um...who cares??

Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> ...
>> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
>> | Environment
> ...
>Um...who cares??

People who care about science, health and the environment.

--bks

I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.

["Followup-To:" header set to talk.politics.misc.]
On 2024-09-17, Bradley K. Sherman <bks@panix.com> wrote:
> Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
>>> | Environment
>> ...
>>Um...who cares??
>
> People who care about science, health and the environment.
>
> --bks
>
> I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.

Science is just a means to discover how the world works. What we do,
and what policies we should enact with that information is outside the
realm of science.

This is why more and more people are distrusting science, and
scientists, and believing in conspiracy theories more and more, because
"the science" can't help but become political.

NoBody wrote:
> On 16 Sep 2024 22:31:51 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
>> | Environment
>> |
>> | The Editors
>> | ...
>> <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vote-for-kamala-harris-to-support-science-health-and-the-environment/>
>>
>> --bks
>
> Um...who cares??
>

You.

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On 9/16/24 9:46 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> Fixed that subject line for you.
>
> I hope somebody kills everyone who works for that retard rag.

Now you sound like a LEFTIST !

I quit subscribing to their rag a few years ago
when they clearly went ultra-lefty. This is the
correct approach - discredit, defund and disemploy.
SA just needs to go away - not sure there's any
redemption for it, TOO many far lefties shitting
all over the lawn.

What an ignominious end to a once-great institution ...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:15:04 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
>>> | Environment
>> ...
>>Um...who cares??
>
>People who care about science, health and the environment.
>

When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
credibility.

> --bks
>
>I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.

You didn't and you can't.

Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> ...
>When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
>credibility.
> ...

What a nonsensical claim! When politicians like Trump
and RFK, Jr. take profoundly anti-science positions, it
is incumbent on *all* rational people to denounce them.

--bks

>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
>>credibility.
>> ...
>
>What a nonsensical claim! When politicians like Trump
>and RFK, Jr. take profoundly anti-science positions, it
>is incumbent on *all* rational people to denounce them.
>
> --bks

What she means is that all sides need to be seriously considered, the
absolutely dumbass crap vs. the scientific method.

Teach the children that global warming is either a). real or b). a great
communist conspiracy by money grubbing scientists to undermine capitalism
and feed their own greed.

On 2024-09-18, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:15:04 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
> Sherman) wrote:
>
>>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
>>>> | Environment
>>> ...
>>>Um...who cares??
>>
>>People who care about science, health and the environment.
>>
>
> When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
> credibility.
>
>> --bks
>>
>>I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.
>
> You didn't and you can't.

When I was in college I used to receive a free subscription to SA and I enjoyed it a lot.
These days though, much of science is driven by a "where is the next grant coming from?" objective.
It's big business and big money.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Word Salad Special Of The Day
Served Complete With Venn Diagram Dressing

On 9/18/2024 5:57 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:15:04 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
> Sherman) wrote:
>
>> Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
>>>> | Environment
>>> ...
>>> Um...who cares??
>>
>> People who care about science, health and the environment.
>>
>
> When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
> credibility.

That's garbage. They're not endorsing her for the totality of her policy
positions. They're endorsing her because they know she's the pro-science
candidate while Trump is the know-nothing/don't-wanna-know-nothing/anti-science
candidate. Their scientific credibility, the only kind that matters, is fully
intact.

On 9/18/24 11:47 AM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-09-18, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:15:04 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>> Sherman) wrote:
>>
>>> Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
>>>>> | Environment
>>>> ...
>>>> Um...who cares??
>>>
>>> People who care about science, health and the environment.
>>>
>>
>> When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
>> credibility.
>>
>>> --bks
>>>
>>> I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.
>>
>> You didn't and you can't.
>
> When I was in college I used to receive a free subscription to SA and I enjoyed it a lot.
> These days though, much of science is driven by a "where is the next grant coming from?" objective.
> It's big business and big money.

"Next grant" has driven science/academia for a LONG time.
'Science' in particular can be EXPENSIVE - time and stuff.
College profs that don't get grants tend to be shuffled
out the back door ... "not bringing prestige ($$$) to the
institution" .....

This situation turns our supposedly smartest people into
prostitutes and their ivy-covered colleges into pimps.

However I'm not sure there's a better way to do it.
Someone has to sort out the crap research proposals
from the good ones. That someone shouldn't always be
The State or things get too biased, kinda the same if
it was always biz or always the college upper-ups.

On 2024-09-18, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
> On 9/18/24 11:47 AM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-09-18, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:15:04 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>> Sherman) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
>>>>>> | Environment
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Um...who cares??
>>>>
>>>> People who care about science, health and the environment.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
>>> credibility.
>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>>
>>>> I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.
>>>
>>> You didn't and you can't.
>>
>> When I was in college I used to receive a free subscription to SA and I enjoyed it a lot.
>> These days though, much of science is driven by a "where is the next grant coming from?" objective.
>> It's big business and big money.
>
>
> "Next grant" has driven science/academia for a LONG time.
> 'Science' in particular can be EXPENSIVE - time and stuff.
> College profs that don't get grants tend to be shuffled
> out the back door ... "not bringing prestige ($$$) to the
> institution" .....

True but I have never seen it this bad. We no longer have people working out of their garages
inventing things. Outliers exist of course but in general.
It's all super big business.

> This situation turns our supposedly smartest people into
> prostitutes and their ivy-covered colleges into pimps.

Yep.
Suppose you are a researcher at M.I.T. and are researching a new drug to cure Lyme disease.
You are funded by say Blackrock for 3 years of research.
During the first 6 months you discover that the path you have been following will never work.

So, are you going to let Blackrock know at that point thus cutting off your funding or are you
going to milk this along for another 2+ years before informing them?

This is how the game is played.

> However I'm not sure there's a better way to do it.
> Someone has to sort out the crap research proposals
> from the good ones. That someone shouldn't always be
> The State or things get too biased, kinda the same if
> it was always biz or always the college upper-ups.

I do not know what the solution is but I do know that the system is left leaning and corrupt.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Word Salad Special Of The Day
Served Complete With Venn Diagram Dressing

On 9/18/24 9:36 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-09-18, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>> On 9/18/24 11:47 AM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-18, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:15:04 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>>> Sherman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> | Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the
>>>>>>> | Environment
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Um...who cares??
>>>>>
>>>>> People who care about science, health and the environment.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
>>>> credibility.
>>>>
>>>>> --bks
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.
>>>>
>>>> You didn't and you can't.
>>>
>>> When I was in college I used to receive a free subscription to SA and I enjoyed it a lot.
>>> These days though, much of science is driven by a "where is the next grant coming from?" objective.
>>> It's big business and big money.
>>
>>
>> "Next grant" has driven science/academia for a LONG time.
>> 'Science' in particular can be EXPENSIVE - time and stuff.
>> College profs that don't get grants tend to be shuffled
>> out the back door ... "not bringing prestige ($$$) to the
>> institution" .....
>
> True but I have never seen it this bad. We no longer have people working out of their garages
> inventing things. Outliers exist of course but in general.
> It's all super big business.

A big reason you've never seen it this bad is because
the USA, actually, is pretty damned BROKE. Everything
is debt magic. In the 50s/60s we were top of the world,
they said we'd be rich and richer forever and ever.
NOW ... only special/profitable research tends to be
funded. "Pure" sciences are at a disadvantage.

>> This situation turns our supposedly smartest people into
>> prostitutes and their ivy-covered colleges into pimps.
>
> Yep.
> Suppose you are a researcher at M.I.T. and are researching a new drug to cure Lyme disease.
> You are funded by say Blackrock for 3 years of research.
> During the first 6 months you discover that the path you have been following will never work.
>
> So, are you going to let Blackrock know at that point thus cutting off your funding or are you
> going to milk this along for another 2+ years before informing them?
>
> This is how the game is played.

You milk it ... no real choice. Otherwise your
new favorite phase will be "Do you want fries
with that ?".

For a TIME, academics were 'prestige', the gold
rim on the cup of State/civ. Advancing their
studies was a matter of national pride & glory.

MAYbe there are too many academics now. MAYbe
too many are in utterly USELESS/BORING lines
of "study". 500-page tomes NOBODY will EVER read
about "Hobbit Studies" or "Tranny Superiority"
or whatever. Oh, and the world needs exactly
ONE expert on Sumerian basket-weaving techniques ...

Of note ... LOOK at the most recent research news
and papers. HALF the names are 'Chinese' now -
and that's rapidly increasing. The West is just
LOSING it - imperfect focus, imperfect aim,
imperfect results. Super sad.

>> However I'm not sure there's a better way to do it.
>> Someone has to sort out the crap research proposals
>> from the good ones. That someone shouldn't always be
>> The State or things get too biased, kinda the same if
>> it was always biz or always the college upper-ups.
>
> I do not know what the solution is but I do know that the system is left leaning and corrupt.

When The System doesn't 'lean' one way or another,
THAT'S the anomaly :-)

The old Greeks had this idea of "perfect" geometries,
assumed the entire universe worked in accordance. The
real truth was that "perfect" almost NEVER existed
except by pure -fleeting- chance. Newtons 'perfect'
equations suffered from the same delusions. Newtons
universe CAN exist, for like a nanosecond ...

For now, it's further-lefty. In 25 years it might be
further-rightie or theocratic or who-knows-what.

(IMHO, you're gonna have to spell it in Mandarin)

I *think* the further-lefty/wokie thing has kinda run
its course for now. We see rebellions large and small
everywhere now. The wokie-afflicted have also learned
to get LAWYERS - the most fearsome WMD in the 1st world :-)

I'm just old enough to remember the Cold War days when
everything was tilted kinda rightie-xian and we had to
do the "Duck -n- Cover " drills in school. "1984" and
"Brave New World" were required reading and every
school day started with a Pledge and Prayer (never did
the prayer - was non-theist from a very young age and,
oddly, never caught shit because of it because I wasn't
an ASSHOLE about it. Alas the Boy Scouts wouldn't take
me, but that's a private org, I got that even then and
do NOT hate them because of it).

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:11:44 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
>>credibility.
>> ...
>
>What a nonsensical claim! When politicians like Trump
>and RFK, Jr. take profoundly anti-science positions, it
>is incumbent on *all* rational people to denounce them.
>
> --bks

"Many critics on X reacted to the endorsement, with one medical
journalist highlighting the "danger" of the scientific community
choosing political sides.

"There’s no doubt science is political," said medical writer Liz
Highleyman.

"Political decisions affect science funding & scientific data
influences public policy. But there’s a real danger in the perception
that science ‘belongs’ to one side in the political & culture wars."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/scientific-american-magazine-faces-criticism-after-kamala-harris-endorsement-very-problematic

Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:11:44 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
>>>credibility.
>>> ...
>>
>>What a nonsensical claim! When politicians like Trump
>>and RFK, Jr. take profoundly anti-science positions, it
>>is incumbent on *all* rational people to denounce them.
>
>"Many critics on X reacted to the endorsement, with one medical
>journalist highlighting the "danger" of the scientific community
>choosing political sides.
> ...

The best rebuttal Kremlin Girl could produce is an *unnamed*
"medical journalist" from lying Fox News.

You can't make this shit up!

--bks

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:47:13 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>When I was in college I used to receive a free subscription to SA and I enjoyed it a lot.
>These days though, much of science is driven by a "where is the next grant coming from?" objective.
>It's big business and big money.

You just old, alone and bitter.

Trumper cops - what do you think they'll be like if Trump gives them immunity?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kuISpP0ODIc

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of any President ever. Here are 75 of the reasons why, but,
honestly, there's so much more! From exchanging love letters
with North Korea's brutal dictator... "We fell in love."
to publicly denigrating a Gold Star military widow and making her cry,
to the way he attacked journalists, to late night tweet binges (Cofeve!).
Look, I can understand why a lot of people want to block all of
this out of their memories, but we cannot afford to forget
just how terrible Trump’s time at the White House was for this nation.
And we sure as hell can’t afford to put him back there.

So, in no particular order:

(coming soon)

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 01:36:07 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>
>I do not know what the solution is but I do know that the system is left leaning and corrupt.

That's because you're a Nazi and not getting your share of the payola.

Trumper cops - what do you think they'll be like if Trump gives them immunity?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kuISpP0ODIc

--
Donald Trump left office with the lowest approval ratings
of any President ever. Here are 75 of the reasons why, but,
honestly, there's so much more! From exchanging love letters
with North Korea's brutal dictator... "We fell in love."
to publicly denigrating a Gold Star military widow and making her cry,
to the way he attacked journalists, to late night tweet binges (Cofeve!).
Look, I can understand why a lot of people want to block all of
this out of their memories, but we cannot afford to forget
just how terrible Trump’s time at the White House was for this nation.
And we sure as hell can’t afford to put him back there.

So, in no particular order:

(coming soon)

On 9/19/2024 3:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> what do you think they'll be like
Rudey's made more than enough public death threats on President Trump
and even JD Vance's family...
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Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/kami and a few dozen
other socks wrote:

(Multiple death threats against Trump)
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

On 9/19/2024 3:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> You just old, alone and bitter.
Rudey's made more than enough public death threats on President Trump
and even JD Vance's family...
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Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/kami and a few dozen
other socks wrote:

(Multiple death threats against Trump)
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 11:46:38 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:11:44 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
>>>>credibility.
>>>> ...
>>>
>>>What a nonsensical claim! When politicians like Trump
>>>and RFK, Jr. take profoundly anti-science positions, it
>>>is incumbent on *all* rational people to denounce them.
>>
>>"Many critics on X reacted to the endorsement, with one medical
>>journalist highlighting the "danger" of the scientific community
>>choosing political sides.
>> ...
>
>The best rebuttal Kremlin Girl could produce is an *unnamed*
>"medical journalist" from lying Fox News.
>
>You can't make this shit up!
>
> --bks

And yet it's always good enough for you when you post.
Go figure.

But hey here ya go:

""There’s no doubt science is political," said medical writer Liz
Highleyman.

"Political decisions affect science funding & scientific data
influences public policy. But there’s a real danger in the perception
that science ‘belongs’ to one side in the political & culture wars.""

https://www.foxnews.com/media/scientific-american-magazine-faces-criticism-after-kamala-harris-endorsement-very-problematic

Had you read the original cite (no paywall no excuse) you would have
seen similar.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:35:58 -0400, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 11:46:38 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>Sherman) wrote:
>
>>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:11:44 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>>>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>When "scientists" endorse political candidates they lose their
>>>>>credibility.
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>What a nonsensical claim! When politicians like Trump
>>>>and RFK, Jr. take profoundly anti-science positions, it
>>>>is incumbent on *all* rational people to denounce them.
>>>
>>>"Many critics on X reacted to the endorsement, with one medical
>>>journalist highlighting the "danger" of the scientific community
>>>choosing political sides.
>>> ...
>>
>>The best rebuttal Kremlin Girl could produce is an *unnamed*
>>"medical journalist" from lying Fox News.
>>
>>You can't make this shit up!
>>
>> --bks
>
>And yet it's always good enough for you when you post.
>Go figure.
>
>But hey here ya go:
>
>""There’s no doubt science is political," said medical writer Liz
>Highleyman.
>
>"Political decisions affect science funding & scientific data
>influences public policy. But there’s a real danger in the perception
>that science ‘belongs’ to one side in the political & culture wars.""
>
>https://www.foxnews.com/media/scientific-american-magazine-faces-criticism-after-kamala-harris-endorsement-very-problematic
>
>
>Had you read the original cite (no paywall no excuse) you would have
>seen similar.

And Bradley abandons yet another thread.