On 10/16/2024 3:06 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>> David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>   |
>>>>   | ...
>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>   | ...
>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his- tax-
>>>> returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>
>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>
>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>
> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't),

There is *massive* evidence of conflict of interest.

> the public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
The public *absolutely* has a right to know the finances of the president.

I propose a law that says the Treasury Department shall release the most recent
five tax returns of the incumbent president every year, with or without the
incumbent's permission.

In article <XnsB20D51C1069A1629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
> cnQ8HwLerDZL6nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
> > On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
> >> David Hartung wrote:
> >>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>   |
> >>>>   | ...
> >>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
> >>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
> >>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
> >>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
> >>>>   | Congress.
> >>>>   | ...
> >>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
> >>>> tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
> >>>
> >>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
> >>
> >> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
> >> conflicts of interest and is honest.
> >
> > Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
> > public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
> >
>
>
> The public has a right to know if
> a candidate is a paid stooge for a
> foreign government or a lobby group.

They do not have the right to demand records unless a crime is
committed.

In article <XnsB20D5224D4D94629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
> cnQwHwLc5EpL6nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> > On 10/15/24 13:11, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> >> news:VZ6cnaHndqA3CZP6nZ2dnZfqnPiu4p2d@giganews.com:
> >>
> >>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>> |
> >>>> | ...
> >>>> | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
> >>>> | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
> >>>> | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
> >>>> | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
> >>>> | Congress.
> >>>> | ...
> >>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
> tax
> >>>> -returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
> >>>>
> >>>> --bks
> >>>
> >>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't you believe in candidates
> >> keeping promises.
> >
> > You are familiar with the phrase that those wo live in glass houses
> > shouldn't throw stones? When it comes to political promises, you live
> in
> > a huge glass house.
> >
>
>
> That doesn't answer the question.
>
> Don't you believe Trump should honor
> his promises?
>
>
>
>
> April 19, 2011: In an interview with ABC News,
> Trump pledges to release his tax returns once
> President Obama releases his long-form birth
> certificate.
>
>
>
> April 27, 2011: While contemplating a run
> in the 2012 Republican primary, Trump tells
> ABC News? Michael Falcone that he will
> release his tax returns "at the appropriate
> time."
>
>
>
> May 20 2014: Trump says that if he runs for
> office, he will absolutely release his
> tax returns, in an interview with Ireland?s
> TV3.
>
>
> February 25, 2015: Trump tells conservative
> radio host Hugh Hewitt that he has "no
> objection" to releasing his tax returns.
>
>
>
> January 24, 2016: On NBC?s Meet the Press,
> Trump says that his campaign is working on
> releasing his tax returns.
>
>
> February 10, 2016: Trump tells NBC News that
> he will release his tax returns over the next
> few months.
>
>
> May 8, 2016: On NBC?s Meet the Press, Trump
> pledges to release his tax returns as soon
> as the audit is over.
>
>
> May 13, 2016: Trump tells ABC News that
> voters do not have a right to see his tax
> returns before the election, again saying
> that he will present the returns once the
> audit is over.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/j6nvjls

TRUMP!

In article <63QPO.12217$tnK2.8541@fx04.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
>
> On 10/16/2024 3:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 10/15/24 13:11, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> >> news:VZ6cnaHndqA3CZP6nZ2dnZfqnPiu4p2d@giganews.com:
> >>
> >>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>    |
> >>>>    | ...
> >>>>    | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
> >>>>    | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
> >>>>    | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
> >>>>    | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
> >>>>    | Congress.
> >>>>    | ...
> >>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-tax
> >>>> -returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
> >>>>
> >>>>       --bks
> >>>
> >>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>      Don't you believe in candidates
> >> keeping promises.
> >
> > You are familiar with the phrase that [erase rest of digression]
>
> Just answer the question: shouldn't Trump keep his promises? He doesn't "have"
> to release his medical records or his tax returns, but if he *promises* to
> release them, shouldn't he release them?

He doesn't have to. Deal with it.

In article <c5QPO.12218$tnK2.11254@fx04.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
>
> On 10/16/2024 3:06 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
> >> David Hartung wrote:
> >>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>   |
> >>>>   | ...
> >>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
> >>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
> >>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
> >>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
> >>>>   | Congress.
> >>>>   | ...
> >>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his- tax-
> >>>> returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
> >>>
> >>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
> >>
> >> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
> >> conflicts of interest and is honest.
> >
> > Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't),
>
> There is *massive* evidence of conflict of interest.
>
> > the public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
> The public *absolutely* has a right to know the finances of the president.
>
> I propose a law that says the Treasury Department shall release the most recent
> five tax returns of the incumbent president every year, with or without the
> incumbent's permission.

You get nothing.

On 10/16/24 08:06, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
> cnQwHwLc5EpL6nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 10/15/24 13:11, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>> news:VZ6cnaHndqA3CZP6nZ2dnZfqnPiu4p2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>> |
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>> | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>> | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>> | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>> | Congress.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
> tax
>>>>> -returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>>
>>>>> --bks
>>>>
>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't you believe in candidates
>>> keeping promises.
>>
>> You are familiar with the phrase that those wo live in glass houses
>> shouldn't throw stones? When it comes to political promises, you live
> in
>> a huge glass house.
>>
>
>
> That doesn't answer the question.

That is all the answer you deserve.

On 10/16/24 08:04, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
> cnQ8HwLerDZL6nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>   |
>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>>   | ...
>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
>>>>> tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>
>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>
>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>>
>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
>> public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
>>
>
>
> The public has a right to know if
> a candidate is a paid stooge for a
> foreign government or a lobby group.

Then find evidence, but you have no right to force him to potentially
incriminate himself.

The truth is that the candidates releasing their tax returns has never
been anything but a political ploy and Trump refuses t play the game.

David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
news:s7ydneCg0NrD2Yz6nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com:

> On 10/16/24 08:04, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
>> cnQ8HwLerDZL6nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>   |
>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-
his-
>>>>>> tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>>
>>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>>
>>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>>>
>>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
>>> public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The public has a right to know if
>> a candidate is a paid stooge for a
>> foreign government or a lobby group.
>
> Then find evidence, but you have no right to force him to potentially
> incriminate himself.
>

Who is talking about force?

No one forced Trump to make all
those promises to release his taxes.

> The truth is that the candidates releasing their tax returns has never
> been anything but a political ploy and Trump refuses t play the game.

Trump agreed to play the game.

He just refused to take the field
when it was his turn at bat.

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Trump agreed to play the game.

Now the game is lost - for YOU!

Enjoy the red wave, you cornholing creep.
--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

In article <XnsB20E8762945ED629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> news:s7ydneCg0NrD2Yz6nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
> > On 10/16/24 08:04, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
> >> cnQ8HwLerDZL6nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com:
> >>
> >>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
> >>>> David Hartung wrote:
> >>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>>>   |
> >>>>>>   | ...
> >>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
> >>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
> >>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
> >>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
> >>>>>>   | Congress.
> >>>>>>   | ...
> >>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-
> his-
> >>>>>> tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
> >>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
> >>>
> >>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
> >>> public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> The public has a right to know if
> >> a candidate is a paid stooge for a
> >> foreign government or a lobby group.
> >
> > Then find evidence, but you have no right to force him to potentially
> > incriminate himself.
> >
>
> Who is talking about force?
>
> No one forced Trump to make all
> those promises to release his taxes.

Like Hillary said about the dead troops in Benghazi.
"at this point what difference does it make"
>
>
> > The truth is that the candidates releasing their tax returns has never
> > been anything but a political ploy and Trump refuses t play the game.
>
>
> Trump agreed to play the game.
>
> He just refused to take the field
> when it was his turn at bat.

He doesn't have to.

On 10/17/2024 10:03 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 10/16/24 08:06, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
>> cnQwHwLc5EpL6nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 10/15/24 13:11, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>> news:VZ6cnaHndqA3CZP6nZ2dnZfqnPiu4p2d@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>     |
>>>>>>     | ...
>>>>>>     | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>>     | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>>     | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>>     | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>>     | Congress.
>>>>>>     | ...
>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
>> tax
>>>>>> -returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        --bks
>>>>>
>>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Don't you believe in candidates
>>>> keeping promises.
>>>
>>> You are familiar with the phrase that those wo live in glass houses
>>> shouldn't throw stones? When it comes to political promises, you live
>> in
>>> a huge glass house.
>>>
>>
>>      That doesn't answer the question.
>
> That is all the answer you deserve.
Because you're a gutless chickenshit. The question is:

Don't you believe in candidates keeping promises?

Trump *repeatedly* promises to deliver information to the public, then reneges.
How can you support that? Aren't you ashamed to support a chronic liar like that?

On 10/17/2024 10:07 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 10/16/24 08:04, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
>> cnQ8HwLerDZL6nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>    |
>>>>>>    | ...
>>>>>>    | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>>    | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>>    | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>>    | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>>    | Congress.
>>>>>>    | ...
>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
>>>>>> tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>>
>>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>>
>>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>>>
>>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
>>> public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
>>>
>>
>>
>>    The public has a right to know if
>> a candidate is a paid stooge for a
>> foreign government or a lobby group.
>
> Then find evidence, but you have no right to force him to potentially
> incriminate himself.
It has nothing to do with self incrimination. We have a right to know a
president's finances. A candidate who won't show his tax returns is hiding
something.

In article <r6jQO.24943$KDwf.22821@fx01.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
>
> On 10/17/2024 10:03 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 10/16/24 08:06, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
> >> cnQwHwLc5EpL6nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com:
> >>
> >>> On 10/15/24 13:11, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:VZ6cnaHndqA3CZP6nZ2dnZfqnPiu4p2d@giganews.com:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>>>     |
> >>>>>>     | ...
> >>>>>>     | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
> >>>>>>     | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
> >>>>>>     | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
> >>>>>>     | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
> >>>>>>     | Congress.
> >>>>>>     | ...
> >>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
> >> tax
> >>>>>> -returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        --bks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>       Don't you believe in candidates
> >>>> keeping promises.
> >>>
> >>> You are familiar with the phrase that those wo live in glass houses
> >>> shouldn't throw stones? When it comes to political promises, you live
> >> in
> >>> a huge glass house.
> >>>
> >>
> >>      That doesn't answer the question.
> >
> > That is all the answer you deserve.
> Because you're a gutless chickenshit. The question is:
>
> Don't you believe in candidates keeping promises?
>
> Trump *repeatedly* promises to deliver information to the public, then reneges.
> How can you support that? Aren't you ashamed to support a chronic liar like that?

Who cares. He doesn't have to.

In article <08jQO.24944$KDwf.18447@fx01.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
>
> On 10/17/2024 10:07 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 10/16/24 08:04, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in news:7c-
> >> cnQ8HwLerDZL6nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com:
> >>
> >>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
> >>>> David Hartung wrote:
> >>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>>>    |
> >>>>>>    | ...
> >>>>>>    | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
> >>>>>>    | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
> >>>>>>    | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
> >>>>>>    | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
> >>>>>>    | Congress.
> >>>>>>    | ...
> >>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
> >>>>>> tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
> >>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
> >>>
> >>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
> >>> public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>    The public has a right to know if
> >> a candidate is a paid stooge for a
> >> foreign government or a lobby group.
> >
> > Then find evidence, but you have no right to force him to potentially
> > incriminate himself.
> It has nothing to do with self incrimination. We have a right to know a
> president's finances. A candidate who won't show his tax returns is hiding
> something.

He doesn't have to.

David Hartung wrote:
> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>> David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>   | ...
>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>   | ...
>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
>>>> tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>
>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>
>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>
> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
> public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.

And you know this - how? You've seen his tax returns?

How about this - does this make you wonder about
conflict of interest?

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-made-up-to-160-million-from-foreign-countries-as-president/
April 13, 2023

Donald Trump made up to $160 million from international
business dealings while he was serving as president of
the United States, according to an analysis of his tax
returns by CREW.

Throughout his time in office, President Trump, his
family and his Republican allies repeatedly assured the
public that his refusal to divest from his businesses
wouldn’t lead to any conflicts of interest. Americans
were promised that Trump would donate his salary, which
he did, until maybe he didn’t—all while siphoning
millions from taxpayers that more than offset his
presidential pay. When it came to foreign conflicts of
interest, Trump and his company pledged to pause
foreign business. They did not.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-zte-order-after-china-gave-millions-to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5

Within three days of the Chinese government
agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to
an Indonesian theme park that the Trump
Organization has a deal to license President
Donald Trump's name to, the president
stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded
against a major Chinese telecom company.

In article <vevg0p$3ob3d$1@dont-email.me>, invalide@invalid.invalid
says...
>
> David Hartung wrote:
> > On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
> >> David Hartung wrote:
> >>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>   | ...
> >>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
> >>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
> >>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
> >>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
> >>>>   | Congress.
> >>>>   | ...
> >>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
> >>>> tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
> >>>
> >>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
> >>
> >> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
> >> conflicts of interest and is honest.
> >
> > Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
> > public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
>
> And you know this - how? You've seen his tax returns?
>
> How about this - does this make you wonder about
> conflict of interest?

He doesn't have to.
>
>
> https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-made-up-to-160-million-from-foreign-countries-as-president/
> April 13, 2023
>
> Donald Trump made up to $160 million from international
> business dealings while he was serving as president of
> the United States, according to an analysis of his tax
> returns by CREW.
>
> Throughout his time in office, President Trump, his
> family and his Republican allies repeatedly assured the
> public that his refusal to divest from his businesses
> wouldn?t lead to any conflicts of interest. Americans
> were promised that Trump would donate his salary, which
> he did, until maybe he didn?t?all while siphoning
> millions from taxpayers that more than offset his
> presidential pay. When it came to foreign conflicts of
> interest, Trump and his company pledged to pause
> foreign business. They did not.
>
>
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-zte-order-after-china-gave-millions-to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5
>
> Within three days of the Chinese government
> agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to
> an Indonesian theme park that the Trump
> Organization has a deal to license President
> Donald Trump's name to, the president
> stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded
> against a major Chinese telecom company.

Fake bullshit.

>
>How about this - does this make you wonder about
>conflict of interest?
>
>
>https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigatio
>ns/trump-made-up-to-160-million-from-foreign-countries-as-president/
>April 13, 2023
>
>Donald Trump made up to $160 million from international
>business dealings while he was serving as president of
>the United States, according to an analysis of his tax
>returns by CREW.
>
>Throughout his time in office, President Trump, his
>family and his Republican allies repeatedly assured the
>public that his refusal to divest from his businesses
>wouldn� Tt lead to any conflicts of interest. Americans
>were promised that Trump would donate his salary, which
>he did, until maybe he didn� Tt� "all while siphoning
>millions from taxpayers that more than offset his
>presidential pay. When it came to foreign conflicts of
>interest, Trump and his company pledged to pause
>foreign business. They did not.
>
>
>
>https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-zte-order-after-china-gave-millions-
>to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5
>
>Within three days of the Chinese government
>agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to
>an Indonesian theme park that the Trump
>Organization has a deal to license President
>Donald Trump's name to, the president
>stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded
>against a major Chinese telecom company.

Trump's in bed with the Chinese. Mark Levin said it's because his campaign
manager is a Chinese PRC agent. His name is Huyen "Steven" Cheung.
Huyen "Steven" Cheung needs to be take out of the campaign and investigated
by Homeland with the idea of deporting him back to Bejing.

In article <XnsB2107253F5FDAfer@94.23.43.182>, plutedpup@outlook.com
says...
>
> >
> >How about this - does this make you wonder about
> >conflict of interest?
> >
> >
> >https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigatio
> >ns/trump-made-up-to-160-million-from-foreign-countries-as-president/
> >April 13, 2023
> >
> >Donald Trump made up to $160 million from international
> >business dealings while he was serving as president of
> >the United States, according to an analysis of his tax
> >returns by CREW.
> >
> >Throughout his time in office, President Trump, his
> >family and his Republican allies repeatedly assured the
> >public that his refusal to divest from his businesses
> >wouldn? Tt lead to any conflicts of interest. Americans
> >were promised that Trump would donate his salary, which
> >he did, until maybe he didn? Tt? "all while siphoning
> >millions from taxpayers that more than offset his
> >presidential pay. When it came to foreign conflicts of
> >interest, Trump and his company pledged to pause
> >foreign business. They did not.
> >
> >
> >
> >https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-zte-order-after-china-gave-millions-
> >to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5
> >
> >Within three days of the Chinese government
> >agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to
> >an Indonesian theme park that the Trump
> >Organization has a deal to license President
> >Donald Trump's name to, the president
> >stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded
> >against a major Chinese telecom company.
>
> Trump's in bed with the Chinese. Mark Levin said it's because his campaign
> manager is a Chinese PRC agent. His name is Huyen "Steven" Cheung.
> Huyen "Steven" Cheung needs to be take out of the campaign and investigated
> by Homeland with the idea of deporting him back to Bejing.

Like the guy in Oklahoma that was planning an attack on election day? He
was vetted by the FBI. Epic failure.

On 10/19/24 00:27, Gronk wrote:
> David Hartung wrote:
>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>>   | ...
>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his-
>>>>> tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>
>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>
>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>>
>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
>> public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
>
> And you know this - how? You've seen his tax returns?

I don't know, but given wild accusations of the anti-Trump crpwd, I have
reason to believe.
>
> How about this - does this make you wonder about
> conflict of interest?

What I wonder about is that the Democrats have been on a tear about
Trump ethics, yet seem to ignore their own ethics, or even to do their jobs.

David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
news:NvecnfVrrYujQ4n6nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 10/19/24 00:27, Gronk wrote:
>> David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his
>>>>>> - tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>>
>>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>>
>>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>>>
>>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't),
>>> the public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
>>
>> And you know this - how? You've seen his tax returns?
>
> I don't know, but given wild accusations of the anti-Trump crpwd, I
> have reason to believe.
>>
>> How about this - does this make you wonder about
>> conflict of interest?
>
> What I wonder about is that the Democrats have been on a tear about
> Trump ethics, yet seem to ignore their own ethics, or even to do their
> jobs.
>

The party of Stormy Daniels, fake
electors, Jeffrey Epstein, "Proud Boys",
Jan 6 and Grab-Them-By-The-Pussy has
nothing to teach anyone about ethics.

"I Don't Think It's A Sin: Trump Had an
Interesting Take On Adultery In 1990
Oct 30th, 2016

https://www.mediaite.com/print/i-dont-think-its-a-sin-trump-had-an-
interesting-take-on-adultery-in-1990/

On 10/20/2024 3:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 10/19/24 00:27, Gronk wrote:
>> David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his- tax-
>>>>>> returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>>
>>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>>
>>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>>>
>>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the public
>>> has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
>>
>> And you know this - how? You've seen his tax returns?
>
> I don't know, but given wild accusations of the anti-Trump crpwd, I have reason
> to believe.

No, you don't have *any* reason to believe it except for blind faith, which is
the only reason you believe anything at all.

>>
>> How about this - does this make you wonder about
>> conflict of interest?
>
> What I wonder about is that the Democrats have been on a tear about Trump
> ethics

Which provably don't exist.

In article <k6aRO.264737$EEm7.34435@fx16.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
>
> On 10/20/2024 3:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 10/19/24 00:27, Gronk wrote:
> >> David Hartung wrote:
> >>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
> >>>> David Hartung wrote:
> >>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>>>   | ...
> >>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
> >>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
> >>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
> >>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
> >>>>>>   | Congress.
> >>>>>>   | ...
> >>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his- tax-
> >>>>>> returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
> >>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
> >>>
> >>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the public
> >>> has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
> >>
> >> And you know this - how? You've seen his tax returns?
> >
> > I don't know, but given wild accusations of the anti-Trump crpwd, I have reason
> > to believe.
>
> No, you don't have *any* reason to believe it except for blind faith, which is
> the only reason you believe anything at all.

Your side lies.
>
> >>
> >> How about this - does this make you wonder about
> >> conflict of interest?
> >
> > What I wonder about is that the Democrats have been on a tear about Trump
> > ethics
>
> Which provably don't exist.

Prove it then.

David Hartung wrote:
> On 10/19/24 00:27, Gronk wrote:
>> David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his- tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>>
>>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>>>
>>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't), the
>>> public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
>>
>> And you know this - how? You've seen his tax returns?
>
> I don't know, but given wild accusations of the anti-Trump crpwd, I have
> reason to believe.

You don't know? YOU DON'T KNOW? REport

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-made-up-to-160-million-from-foreign-countries-as-president/
April 13, 2023

Donald Trump made up to $160 million from international
business dealings while he was serving as president of
the United States, according to an analysis of his tax
returns by CREW.

Throughout his time in office, President Trump, his
family and his Republican allies repeatedly assured the
public that his refusal to divest from his businesses
wouldn’t lead to any conflicts of interest. Americans
were promised that Trump would donate his salary, which
he did, until maybe he didn’t—all while siphoning
millions from taxpayers that more than offset his
presidential pay. When it came to foreign conflicts of
interest, Trump and his company pledged to pause
foreign business. They did not.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-zte-order-after-china-gave-millions-to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5

Within three days of the Chinese government
agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to
an Indonesian theme park that the Trump
Organization has a deal to license President
Donald Trump's name to, the president
stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded
against a major Chinese telecom company.

Now what do you think about that???

>> How about this - does this make you wonder about
>> conflict of interest?
>
> What I wonder about is that the Democrats have been on a tear about
> Trump ethics, yet seem to ignore their own ethics, or even to do their
> jobs.

On 10/20/24 09:04, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> news:NvecnfVrrYujQ4n6nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 10/19/24 00:27, Gronk wrote:
>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-his
>>>>>>> - tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>>>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>>>>
>>>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't),
>>>> the public has no business seeing the tax records of any politician.
>>>
>>> And you know this - how? You've seen his tax returns?
>>
>> I don't know, but given wild accusations of the anti-Trump crpwd, I
>> have reason to believe.
>>>
>>> How about this - does this make you wonder about
>>> conflict of interest?
>>
>> What I wonder about is that the Democrats have been on a tear about
>> Trump ethics, yet seem to ignore their own ethics, or even to do their
>> jobs.
>>
>
>
> The party of Stormy Daniels, fake
> electors, Jeffrey Epstein, "Proud Boys",
> Jan 6 and Grab-Them-By-The-Pussy has
> nothing to teach anyone about ethics.

So you are justifying Democrat ethical issues.

David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
news:nYCdnZSXA7oT24v6nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@giganews.com:

> On 10/20/24 09:04, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>> news:NvecnfVrrYujQ4n6nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 10/19/24 00:27, Gronk wrote:
>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 10/15/24 23:26, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:00, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>>>>   | Neither he nor his running mate JD Vance have disclosed
>>>>>>>>   | their filings, and there's no sign they intend to, though
>>>>>>>>   | they could shed light on potential conflicts of interest
>>>>>>>>   | and personal stakes they have in legislation before
>>>>>>>>   | Congress.
>>>>>>>>   | ...
>>>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-hasnt-released-
his
>>>>>>>> - tax-returns-the-response-meh-00182874>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So? His taxes are none of your business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's every bit our bnusiness to know if he has any
>>>>>> conflicts of interest and is honest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless there is clear evidence of such conflict (and thee isn't),
>>>>> the public has no business seeing the tax records of any
politician.
>>>>
>>>> And you know this - how? You've seen his tax returns?
>>>
>>> I don't know, but given wild accusations of the anti-Trump crpwd, I
>>> have reason to believe.
>>>>
>>>> How about this - does this make you wonder about
>>>> conflict of interest?
>>>
>>> What I wonder about is that the Democrats have been on a tear about
>>> Trump ethics, yet seem to ignore their own ethics, or even to do
their
>>> jobs.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The party of Stormy Daniels, fake
>> electors, Jeffrey Epstein, "Proud Boys",
>> Jan 6 and Grab-Them-By-The-Pussy has
>> nothing to teach anyone about ethics.
>
> So you are justifying Democrat ethical issues.
>

What "Democratic ethical issues"?