On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>> <9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #nevertrump
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You ignored this. Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because he has me killfiled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But he saw my post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
>>>>>>> Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He has worked hard to lose.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
>>>> costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
>>>> interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
>>>> daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
>>>> its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
>>>> personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
>>>>
>>>> And for receipts:
>>>>
>>>> Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
>>>>
>>>> FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
>>>> as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
>>>> local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
>>>>
>>>> Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
>>>> delineated as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Income ---- taxes
>>>> $0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
>>>> $28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
>>>> $55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
>>>> $94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
>>>> $157.5-$360K: +0.8%
>>>>
>>>> $360K-$914K: -1.2%
>>>> Above $914K: -1.4%
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not voting blue so no worries.
>>
>> You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
>
> Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
> do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.

Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped.
Oops.

-hh

In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >> <672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>
> >>> In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> >>>>> On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> >>>>>> <9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> >>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> #nevertrump
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You ignored this. Why?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Because he has me killfiled.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But he saw my post.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
> >>>>>>> Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He has worked hard to lose.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
> >>>> costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
> >>>> interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
> >>>> daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
> >>>> its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
> >>>> personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
> >>>>
> >>>> And for receipts:
> >>>>
> >>>> Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
> >>>>
> >>>> FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
> >>>> as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
> >>>> local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
> >>>>
> >>>> Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
> >>>> delineated as follows:
> >>>>
> >>>> Income ---- taxes
> >>>> $0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
> >>>> $28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
> >>>> $55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
> >>>> $94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
> >>>> $157.5-$360K: +0.8%
> >>>>
> >>>> $360K-$914K: -1.2%
> >>>> Above $914K: -1.4%
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm not voting blue so no worries.
> >>
> >> You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
> >
> > Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
> > do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
>
>
> Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped.
> Oops.
>
> -hh

Did it mention Trump?

On 29 Oct 2024 19:59:46 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 29, 2024 at 12:40:36?PM MST, "%" wrote
><joicnTitJ_Gop7z6nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> On Oct 29, 2024 at 12:24:38?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>> <oid2ij907fb1ukhq9c6ia2l6fuu3acr1iu@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>> <9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #nevertrump
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You ignored this. Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because he has me killfiled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But he saw my post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
>>>>>> Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
>>>>>
>>>>> He has worked hard to lose.
>>>>
>>>> You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
>>>
>>> It clearly does.
>>>
>> skeeter is going to see this
>
>But not understand.

Touché.

--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On 29 Oct 2024 19:50:45 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> The question is how would it make it more volatile than a hypothetical
>>> situation... one with checks and balances and systems to slow things down but
>>> also tied more closely to what the American people as a whole want?
>>
>> The House is volatile because they only serve two year terms. It's in their
>> interest to respond to the political fashions of the moment. When they don't
>> the can be quickly voted out of office. I repeat, House control switches back
>> and forth continually.
>
>As opposed to? Not sure what this is in response to.

Really? You can't tell?

--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.

Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.

--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On 10/30/24 4:42 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>> <672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>>> <9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #nevertrump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You ignored this. Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because he has me killfiled.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But he saw my post.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
>>>>>>>>> Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He has worked hard to lose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
>>>>>> costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
>>>>>> interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
>>>>>> daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
>>>>>> its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
>>>>>> personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And for receipts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
>>>>>> as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
>>>>>> local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
>>>>>> delineated as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Income ---- taxes
>>>>>> $0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
>>>>>> $28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
>>>>>> $55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
>>>>>> $94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
>>>>>> $157.5-$360K: +0.8%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $360K-$914K: -1.2%
>>>>>> Above $914K: -1.4%
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not voting blue so no worries.
>>>>
>>>> You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
>>>
>>> Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
>>> do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
>>
>>
>> Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped.
>> Oops.
>>
>> -hh
>
> Did it mention Trump?

Yes, of course it listed Trump's tax plan too.

In fact, Trump's tax plan numbers are still quoted above.

They show that his plan is to screw everyone who earns <$360,000/year
with higher taxes, to create yet another tax cut for the richest 1%.

FYI, here's the original cite again, so that you can snip it again as
you pretend that you didn't see or read it:

<https://itep.org/kamala-harris-donald-trump-tax-plans/>

In the meantime, start tightening your belt for when Trump's 2017 TCJA
rates expire 14 months from now, because no matter how hard you may try
to blame that hike on anyone else, the GOP & Trump own absolutely 100%
of this 3-4% hike in marginal income tax rates.

Oh, and your Standard Deduction allowance? It will be cut in half too,
from roughly $30K MFJ to $15K...and once again, that's 100% GOP+Trump.

-hh

On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:12:25 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<aqi5ij9b00r1j4btouk4ev7ubreh4it2e0@4ax.com>:

> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>
> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.

I am noting huge challenges -- things that the MAGA crowd has added to.

I think as a country we can tackle all of those. Will we ever reach
perfection? Of course not. But we can improve.

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:11:31 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<6oi5ij5kgnel47lafrgl6tj3807u8j2n9a@4ax.com>:

> On 29 Oct 2024 19:50:45 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> The question is how would it make it more volatile than a hypothetical
>>>> situation... one with checks and balances and systems to slow things down but
>>>> also tied more closely to what the American people as a whole want?
>>>
>>> The House is volatile because they only serve two year terms. It's in their
>>> interest to respond to the political fashions of the moment. When they don't
>>> the can be quickly voted out of office. I repeat, House control switches back
>>> and forth continually.
>>
>> As opposed to? Not sure what this is in response to.
>
> Really? You can't tell?

It is not in respond to my ideas. But, sure, I can tell it is in respond to
your thoughts that you are attributing to me. I was trying to be nice about
it.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>
> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.

But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
that.

For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.

<cola snipped>

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On 10/30/2024 6:09 PM, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:11:31 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> <6oi5ij5kgnel47lafrgl6tj3807u8j2n9a@4ax.com>:
>
>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:50:45 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The question is how would it make it more volatile than a hypothetical
>>>>> situation... one with checks and balances and systems to slow things down but
>>>>> also tied more closely to what the American people as a whole want?
>>>>
>>>> The House is volatile because they only serve two year terms. It's in their
>>>> interest to respond to the political fashions of the moment. When they don't
>>>> the can be quickly voted out of office. I repeat, House control switches back
>>>> and forth continually.
>>>
>>> As opposed to? Not sure what this is in response to.
>>
>> Really? You can't tell?
>
> It is not in respond [sic] to my ideas. But, sure, I can tell it is in respond [sic] to
> your thoughts that you are attributing to me.

"in respond to" — you stupid fuck, Snot Michael Glasser. The expression is "in
*response* to"; "in respond to" is illiterate bullshit.

Stop cross-posting your illiterate bullshit replies to to computer-related
newsgroups, asshole.

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rest of us What It All Means ®.

Well...no. Just no.

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> On 10/31/2024 11:33 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>> *Proper alt.fan.rush-limbaugh netiquette*
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> >
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> >
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>
>
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On 31 Oct 2024 01:07:56 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:12:25?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
><aqi5ij9b00r1j4btouk4ev7ubreh4it2e0@4ax.com>:
>
>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>
>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>
>I am noting huge challenges -- things that the MAGA crowd has added to.
>
>I think as a country we can tackle all of those. Will we ever reach
>perfection? Of course not. But we can improve.

Of course we can, but not with MAGAs and their Nazi friends.

--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:17:43 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fep7ijddvdk23qum4dhdac27nqsf22r91a@4ax.com>:

> On 31 Oct 2024 01:07:56 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:12:25?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>> <aqi5ij9b00r1j4btouk4ev7ubreh4it2e0@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>
>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>
>> I am noting huge challenges -- things that the MAGA crowd has added to.
>>
>> I think as a country we can tackle all of those. Will we ever reach
>> perfection? Of course not. But we can improve.
>
> Of course we can, but not with MAGAs and their Nazi friends.

Sadly you largely repeat yourself.

But even when you include MAGA/Nazi types, the polls show the people
*generally* want things the left champions.

--
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 07:37:02 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote:

>Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>
>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>
>But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>that.
>
>For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>
><cola snipped>

No, he's not right. Our standard of living isn't lowered, it's just not rising
as fast as we like. There are a couple of items that are untenable and need
immediate attention like housing, health and education costs. We need to deal
with these.

--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On 31 Oct 2024 13:39:42 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 31, 2024 at 4:37:02?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
><vfvq5o$2lq92$4@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>
>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>
>> But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>> lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>> you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>> that.
>>
>> For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>
>Right. And a lot of that is from the Republicans. They focus heavily on
>cutting taxes for corporations and the wealthy, with little regard for how
>this might underfund public services or increase the debt. They push extreme
>immigration policies that can create fear and division. In education, they
>often prioritize school choice but largely ignore systemic funding issues.
>They call for increased policing even when data suggests other social
>investments might better reduce crime. National security rhetoric often
>advocates military spending over diplomacy, potentially heightening global
>tensions. They seek to dismantle public health care programs with no sign of
>any replacement, resist scientific consensus on climate change, want to reduce
>programs shown to reduce poverty and crime, and frame inclusion as a cultural
>threat instead of equal rights. They push their fears and victim mentality,
>and often their religion, onto others.

+1

--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:44:38 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<b1r7ijt5uficrkd02ojskdrgi2hfhupcbq@4ax.com>:

> On 31 Oct 2024 13:39:42 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 4:37:02?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
>> <vfvq5o$2lq92$4@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>>
>>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>>
>>> But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>>> lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>>> you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>>> that.
>>>
>>> For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>>
>> Right. And a lot of that is from the Republicans. They focus heavily on
>> cutting taxes for corporations and the wealthy, with little regard for how
>> this might underfund public services or increase the debt. They push extreme
>> immigration policies that can create fear and division. In education, they
>> often prioritize school choice but largely ignore systemic funding issues.
>> They call for increased policing even when data suggests other social
>> investments might better reduce crime. National security rhetoric often
>> advocates military spending over diplomacy, potentially heightening global
>> tensions. They seek to dismantle public health care programs with no sign of
>> any replacement, resist scientific consensus on climate change, want to reduce
>> programs shown to reduce poverty and crime, and frame inclusion as a cultural
>> threat instead of equal rights. They push their fears and victim mentality,
>> and often their religion, onto others.
>
> +1

What I notice is those of us on the left are not afraid to call each other out
when we disagree. Interesting how rare that is on the right.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:19:20 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<8gp7ij9ta5etgs1r80n6euueooucgaa0jb@4ax.com>:

> On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 07:37:02 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote:
>
>> Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>
>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>
>> But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>> lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>> you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>> that.
>>
>> For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>>
>> <cola snipped>
>
> No, he's not right. Our standard of living isn't lowered, it's just not rising
> as fast as we like.

It is more nuanced than that. The standard of living has gone up in terms of
technology, but things like income inequality, affordable housing, and
healthcare costs are going in the wrong direction. Wages have not kept up with
productivity.

> There are a couple of items that are untenable and need
> immediate attention like housing, health and education costs. We need to deal
> with these.

Absolutely.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 07:37:02 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote:
>
>>Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>>increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>>issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>>decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>>connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>>growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>>whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>
>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>
>>But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>>lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>>you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>>that.
>>
>>For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>>
>><cola snipped>
>
> No, he's not right. Our standard of living isn't lowered, it's just not rising
> as fast as we like. There are a couple of items that are untenable and need
> immediate attention like housing, health and education costs. We need to deal
> with these.

Ah, some agreement. But...

Shoveling taxpayer money effectively to billionaires hurts a lot of people.
An extractive economy is one reasons why nations fail. The standard of living
of some people at the margins is maintained only by side gigs.

--
Relations are simply a tedious pack of people, who haven't the remotest
knowledge of how to live, nor the smallest instinct about when to die.
-- Oscar Wilde, "The Importance of Being Earnest"

On 31 Oct 2024 21:03:38 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:17:43?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
><fep7ijddvdk23qum4dhdac27nqsf22r91a@4ax.com>:
>
>> On 31 Oct 2024 01:07:56 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:12:25?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>> <aqi5ij9b00r1j4btouk4ev7ubreh4it2e0@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>>
>>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>>
>>> I am noting huge challenges -- things that the MAGA crowd has added to.
>>>
>>> I think as a country we can tackle all of those. Will we ever reach
>>> perfection? Of course not. But we can improve.
>>
>> Of course we can, but not with MAGAs and their Nazi friends.
>
>Sadly you largely repeat yourself.
>
>But even when you include MAGA/Nazi types, the polls show the people
>*generally* want things the left champions.

That's what surprises me so much. When you poll strictly on issues and
solutions, the electorate comes down on the Democratic side the great majority
of the time.

So why do they keep voting against their own interests?

Are the Dems really that bad at messaging?

--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On Oct 31, 2024 at 9:31:55 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<7bm8ij5h52014kuj8t0f2kgbuetbdddql2@4ax.com>:

> On 31 Oct 2024 21:03:38 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:17:43?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>> <fep7ijddvdk23qum4dhdac27nqsf22r91a@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On 31 Oct 2024 01:07:56 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:12:25?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>> <aqi5ij9b00r1j4btouk4ev7ubreh4it2e0@4ax.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>>>
>>>> I am noting huge challenges -- things that the MAGA crowd has added to.
>>>>
>>>> I think as a country we can tackle all of those. Will we ever reach
>>>> perfection? Of course not. But we can improve.
>>>
>>> Of course we can, but not with MAGAs and their Nazi friends.
>>
>> Sadly you largely repeat yourself.
>>
>> But even when you include MAGA/Nazi types, the polls show the people
>> *generally* want things the left champions.
>
> That's what surprises me so much. When you poll strictly on issues and
> solutions, the electorate comes down on the Democratic side the great majority
> of the time.

Right. The US public, IN GENERAL, wants universal health care or at least a
strong public option, the want stronger gun laws such as universal background
checks and limits, they want choice in terms of reproductive rights, they want
illegal immigrants to have a chance (though limit the numbers), they want
higher taxes for the rich and stronger safety nets. But this does not happen.
>
> So why do they keep voting against their own interests?

They do so less than I would like, but they often do... look at the election
where Trump won. OK, Clinton was not a great candidate... a horrible one...
but even she got a LOT more votes than did Trump. Something nearing 3 million
votes.

> Are the Dems really that bad at messaging?

People respond to emotion more than logic... and the Republicans push fear and
blame. Too many people get sucked into that. It is sad.

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 31 Oct 2024 21:00:13 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:44:38?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
><b1r7ijt5uficrkd02ojskdrgi2hfhupcbq@4ax.com>:
>
>> On 31 Oct 2024 13:39:42 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 4:37:02?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
>>> <vfvq5o$2lq92$4@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>>>
>>>> But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>>>> lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>>>> you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>>>
>>> Right. And a lot of that is from the Republicans. They focus heavily on
>>> cutting taxes for corporations and the wealthy, with little regard for how
>>> this might underfund public services or increase the debt. They push extreme
>>> immigration policies that can create fear and division. In education, they
>>> often prioritize school choice but largely ignore systemic funding issues.
>>> They call for increased policing even when data suggests other social
>>> investments might better reduce crime. National security rhetoric often
>>> advocates military spending over diplomacy, potentially heightening global
>>> tensions. They seek to dismantle public health care programs with no sign of
>>> any replacement, resist scientific consensus on climate change, want to reduce
>>> programs shown to reduce poverty and crime, and frame inclusion as a cultural
>>> threat instead of equal rights. They push their fears and victim mentality,
>>> and often their religion, onto others.
>>
>> +1
>
>What I notice is those of us on the left are not afraid to call each other out
>when we disagree. Interesting how rare that is on the right.

*applause*

Now, I don't see leftists calling out leftists all that much, but I do see
centrists doing it and it's one of the reasons we're so unpopular in social
media. We tend to logical, civil discussion so we get canceled by rightists.
For example, I take a bit of pride in being killfiled by some of the most ardent
rightist, Trumpers around.

Otoh, I don't recall any leftists complaining much when I call them out though I
have noticed Siri never responds to me.

That Cape Cod just kicked in. Time to start some music!

NP: Gino Vanelli - Crazy Life

--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On 31 Oct 2024 21:02:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:19:20?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
><8gp7ij9ta5etgs1r80n6euueooucgaa0jb@4ax.com>:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 07:37:02 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>>
>>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>>
>>> But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>>> lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>>> you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>>> that.
>>>
>>> For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>>>
>>> <cola snipped>
>>
>> No, he's not right. Our standard of living isn't lowered, it's just not rising
>> as fast as we like.
>
>It is more nuanced than that. The standard of living has gone up in terms of
>technology, but things like income inequality, affordable housing, and
>healthcare costs are going in the wrong direction. Wages have not kept up with
>productivity.

Ok, yeah, well said. Especially the bit on wages. Rightists seem only
concerned with wage relationships to inflation, wage relationships to
productivity seem invisible to them.

>> There are a couple of items that are untenable and need
>> immediate attention like housing, health and education costs. We need to deal
>> with these.
>
>Absolutely.

NP: Pink Floyd - Pigs On The Wing Pt 1

--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 18:33:45 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote:

>Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 07:37:02 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>>>increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>>>issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>>>decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>>>connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>>>growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>>>whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>>
>>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>>
>>>But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>>>lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>>>you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>>>that.
>>>
>>>For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>>>
>>><cola snipped>
>>
>> No, he's not right. Our standard of living isn't lowered, it's just not rising
>> as fast as we like. There are a couple of items that are untenable and need
>> immediate attention like housing, health and education costs. We need to deal
>> with these.
>
>Ah, some agreement. But...
>
>Shoveling taxpayer money effectively to billionaires hurts a lot of people.
>An extractive economy is one reasons why nations fail. The standard of living
>of some people at the margins is maintained only by side gigs.

The reason is greed. It's a slow evolution from the Promise of America to the
days of the Lord of the Manor. After WWII and throughout the sixties the top
marginal rate ran above 60%. In 1960, at the end of the Eisenhower
administration, it was 91%. Art Linkletter, while defending the Vietnam war,
once said that he paid 87¢ on every dollar he earned and, as an American, was
proud to do it.

Today's wealthy pay final effective rates less than that of a typical middle
class wage earner.

That isn't fair.

Yes, the Top 1% pay an extraordinary percentage of the taxes but they earn an
extraordinary percentage of the income. The left is mistaken in targeting the
entire top tier as a group. It would be more accurate to target the Trumps,
Bezoes and General Electrics of the country who earn plenty but are given, by
LAW, ways to not pay tax on it.

Many top earners are escaping any taxation through various means. The really
ironic part is how much they're spending on accountants and lawyers to avoid tax
bills.

Yes, the tax code needs to be flatter AND more fair. It needs to contain FAR
fewer exceptions and should be designed to favor graduating from one income
class to the next one up rather than favoring only the top income classes. A
nation with hundreds of thousands of multimillionaires would be economically
stronger than a nation with mere hundreds of multibillionaires.

NP: Pink Floyd - Dogs
--
#nevertrump

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 6 days.

65) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to
Social Security and Medicare.

66) Trump tried and failed to repeal the Affordable
Care Act, which would have resulted in 20 million
Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people
with preexisting conditions could have driven up their
insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.

On Oct 31, 2024 at 9:41:09 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<7qm8ijtpuchehse5gdh1e570vnqu4cj0c4@4ax.com>:

> On 31 Oct 2024 21:02:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:19:20?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>> <8gp7ij9ta5etgs1r80n6euueooucgaa0jb@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 07:37:02 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>>>
>>>> But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>>>> lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>>>> you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>>>>
>>>> <cola snipped>
>>>
>>> No, he's not right. Our standard of living isn't lowered, it's just not rising
>>> as fast as we like.
>>
>> It is more nuanced than that. The standard of living has gone up in terms of
>> technology, but things like income inequality, affordable housing, and
>> healthcare costs are going in the wrong direction. Wages have not kept up with
>> productivity.
>
> Ok, yeah, well said. Especially the bit on wages. Rightists seem only
> concerned with wage relationships to inflation, wage relationships to
> productivity seem invisible to them.

Exactly.
>
>>> There are a couple of items that are untenable and need
>>> immediate attention like housing, health and education costs. We need to deal
>>> with these.
>>
>> Absolutely.
>
> NP: Pink Floyd - Pigs On The Wing Pt 1

Need to listen the album again.

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On Oct 31, 2024 at 9:37:06 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<eem8ij5u7njoqdou0qofa7ds13edt89mq7@4ax.com>:

> On 31 Oct 2024 21:00:13 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:44:38?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>> <b1r7ijt5uficrkd02ojskdrgi2hfhupcbq@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On 31 Oct 2024 13:39:42 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 4:37:02?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
>>>> <vfvq5o$2lq92$4@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life expectancy,
>>>>>>> increased economic inequality, increased political polarization, continued
>>>>>>> issues with basic health care, poorly funded public eduction, infrastructure
>>>>>>> decay, increase in mental health issues and substance abuse, reduced
>>>>>>> connection between productivity and financial gain, etc. We have a lot of
>>>>>>> growing issues and for many of them we can see that the American public as a
>>>>>>> whole has decent ideas on how to handle these things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican.
>>>>>
>>>>> But he's right. We've had problems building since Reagan. Harris won't fix a
>>>>> lot of them; Congress won't let her. Trump will try to make them worse (can
>>>>> you say "Trump Recession"?), and it's not clear that Congress will prevent
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> For a "first-world" country, we're pretty backward.
>>>>
>>>> Right. And a lot of that is from the Republicans. They focus heavily on
>>>> cutting taxes for corporations and the wealthy, with little regard for how
>>>> this might underfund public services or increase the debt. They push extreme
>>>> immigration policies that can create fear and division. In education, they
>>>> often prioritize school choice but largely ignore systemic funding issues.
>>>> They call for increased policing even when data suggests other social
>>>> investments might better reduce crime. National security rhetoric often
>>>> advocates military spending over diplomacy, potentially heightening global
>>>> tensions. They seek to dismantle public health care programs with no sign of
>>>> any replacement, resist scientific consensus on climate change, want to reduce
>>>> programs shown to reduce poverty and crime, and frame inclusion as a cultural
>>>> threat instead of equal rights. They push their fears and victim mentality,
>>>> and often their religion, onto others.
>>>
>>> +1
>>
>> What I notice is those of us on the left are not afraid to call each other out
>> when we disagree. Interesting how rare that is on the right.
>
> *applause*
>
> Now, I don't see leftists calling out leftists all that much, but I do see
> centrists doing it and it's one of the reasons we're so unpopular in social
> media. We tend to logical, civil discussion so we get canceled by rightists.
> For example, I take a bit of pride in being killfiled by some of the most
> ardent
> rightist, Trumpers around.

I have no issue with speaking my mind. I do not agree with some of the things
you have said but you speak your mind. I respect that. And you listen.
>
> Otoh, I don't recall any leftists complaining much when I call them out though
> I
> have noticed Siri never responds to me.
>
> That Cape Cod just kicked in. Time to start some music!
>
> NP: Gino Vanelli - Crazy Life

Not familiar with that one.

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