On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:56:19 AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<nkl7hj1e2jok2sk4o8vb8pkii6fa7j1loc@4ax.com>:

> On 18 Oct 2024 19:27:40 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:24:15?PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6712b5aa$1$2756$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <veuaqu$3cf08$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/18/24 1:41 PM, Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>>>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>>>>
>>>>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>>>>> of a demoturd.
>>>>>
>>>>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>>>>> grossly under-represented.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-
>>>>> biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>>>>
>>>>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than
>>>>> previous 7 years: analysis
>>>>>
>>>>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>>>>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>>>>
>>>> Fox lied to you.
>>>>
>>>> They lied because a +52% increase from $2.392/gal (week ending 1/25/21)
>>>> is equal to $3.638/gal, whereas prices are roughly 50 cents/gal lower,
>>>> namely either $3.136 to $3.171, depending on if Fox published as per EAI
>>>> week ending 10/07/24 or 10/14/24.
>>>>
>>>> And you don't need to believe me: go check the cite & math yourself:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> Do you always respond to yourself? Seeking attention?
>>
>> Why do you respond to facts you do not like but with nastiness instead of
>> staying on topic?
>
> Because he's an asshole.

True enough.

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On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:40:56 AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<6nk7hjta0lethqfd8uiddq9fa480gsfn6l@4ax.com>:

> On 18 Oct 2024 20:38:37 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:31:45?PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6712c5b2$0$3620710$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <6712bbf7$3$3620703$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:41:37 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>> <6712b9f2$1$1895503$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't even read it.
>>>>
>>>> What you ran from -- you prefer ignorance:
>>>
>>> I prefer facts.
>>
>> This claim is contrary to the evidence.
>
> That's because he's a chronic liar.

Absolutely true.
>
>>>> Liberal policies are rooted in evidence-based approaches and a commitment to
>>>> equal rights, aiming for outcomes that benefit society as a whole. For
>>>> healthcare, they focus on universal access or the like which studies show
>>>> leads to better health outcomes and lower costs.
>>>>
>>>> On climate change, they look to scientific consensus that transitioning to
>>>> renewable energy reduces carbon emissions and can create millions of jobs in
>>>> clean energy industries.
>>>>
>>>> Economically, raising the minimum wage and taxing the wealthy more are
>>>> supported by data showing they reduce income inequality and improve quality of
>>>> life for low- and middle-income workers.
>>>>
>>>> In education, offering free public college and forgiving student loans are
>>>> based on evidence that increasing access to education leads to higher earnings
>>>> and economic mobility. Expanding early childhood education has long been
>>>> proven to improve long-term academic and social outcomes.
>>>>
>>>> For civil rights, policies promoting racial justice, LGBTQ+ protections, and
>>>> reproductive rights aim to ensure equal treatment for all, leading to a
>>>> fairer, more inclusive society. Immigration reform would provide a path to
>>>> citizenship for undocumented immigrants, with research showing that
>>>> integrating immigrants strengthens the economy.
>>>>
>>>> Gun control measures like universal background checks and assault weapon bans
>>>> are supported by data linking them to lower rates of gun violence. Expanding
>>>> voting rights and strengthening unions have been shown to lead to greater
>>>> civic participation and fairer wages, promoting equality across society. The
>>>> focus is on policies that create a healthier, fairer, and more just society
>>>> for all.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think the right wing has to offer?
>>
>> You have no answer for this.
>
> That's because the only correct answer is, "nothing".

He will not even admit that this shows those on the left have a lot more to
offer than just noting how bad Trump is.

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On 10/18/24 4:59 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 10:36:54 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <vere5c$2q4h9$2@dont-email.me>,
>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>
>>> On 10/17/24 9:51 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>> In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>...
>>>>>
>>>>> So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
>>>>> personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
>>>>> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>> Moron.
>>>
>>> Translation: Nailed It.
>>>
>>> So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
>>>
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>> I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?
>
> Then the problem is your own failure to properly manage your retirement
> financing because you're a moron.

I'm content with just noting that his claimed fiscal problems are within
his own control, and thus his responsibility: it is lame to try to cry
victim over nominally typical economic conditions.

Of course, he'll try to shout "But...but inflation!", but the reality
there is that inflation always has existed: the amount we've seen since
2020 is simply Reversion to the Mean. As such, he seems to have fallen
victim to poor planning due to Recency Bias, instead of being wise
enough to plan using historical averages.

For historical data, here's one reference to use for planning:

<https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/>

....or one can use the average of the above, which is +3.3%/year.

and one should note that inflation can run in spurts just like the stock
market: its "8% average returns" mantra is an average, which hides the
there's been periods of over 15 years with flat/negative returns which
get hidden in out by a huge +30% year. That's why one should expect to
run household budget surpluses in years where inflation's below 3.3%, so
as to bank for when there is a spurt.

For example, take a normalized $100K retirement income starting in
December 2016 that's been planned to have a 3.3% income growth per year,
as per average inflation and then compare that budget plan to the actual
inflation observed for the same time period:

Year Income Plan CPI CPI Equiv.
2016 $100,000 n/a $100,000
2017 $103,300 2.11% $102,110
2018 $106,709 1.91% $104,060
2019 $110,230 2.29% $106,443
2020 $113,868 1.36% $107,891
2021 $117,626 7.04% $115,486
2022 $121,507 6.45% $122,935
2023 $125,517 3.35% $127,054
2024 $129,659 2.79% $130,598

Now to analyze. Its easy to skip to today (Sept 2024) and say that
$130,598 is more than $129,659 ... but that's not the whole story.
The whole story is that 2017's budgeted $103,300 exceeded inflation's
$102,110 by $1,190. Likewise, 2018 did too (by $2,649), as well as
2019, 2020, 2021. Lets build out that table and add up the differences:

Year Delta Cumulative Delta
2016
2017 $1,190 $1,190
2018 $2,649 $3,839
2019 $3,787 $7,626
2020 $5,977 $13,603
2021 $2,139 $15,742
2022 $(1,428) $14,314
2023 $(1,537) $12,777
2024 $(939) $11,837

TL;DR: even though inflation has put you above budget, your prior years
under budget means that you've built up a $11,837 reserve.

Here's the same data, in percentage form:

Year Delta% Cum Delta %
2016
2017 1.2% 1.2%
2018 2.5% 3.6%
2019 3.4% 6.9%
2020 5.2% 11.9%
2021 1.8% 13.4%
2022 -1.2% 11.8%
2023 -1.2% 10.2%
2024 -0.7% 9.1%

TL;DR: low inflation years let your budget get way ahead (+13.4% by the
end of 2021), so despite the inflation bubble (now reverting back to the
mean), you're still 9.1% ahead on your budget.

That is, if you had planned your budget correctly to begin with, to not
ignore historical average inflation rates.

-hh

In article <vf168e$3sigu$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/18/24 4:59 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 10:36:54 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <vere5c$2q4h9$2@dont-email.me>,
> >> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>
> >>> On 10/17/24 9:51 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>> In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>>...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
> >>>>> personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
> >>>>> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -hh
> >>>>
> >>>> Moron.
> >>>
> >>> Translation: Nailed It.
> >>>
> >>> So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -hh
> >>
> >> I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?
> >
> > Then the problem is your own failure to properly manage your retirement
> > financing because you're a moron.
>
> I'm content with just noting that his claimed fiscal problems are within
> his own control, and thus his responsibility: it is lame to try to cry
> victim over nominally typical economic conditions.
>
> Of course, he'll try to shout "But...but inflation!", but the reality
> there is that inflation always has existed: the amount we've seen since
> 2020 is simply Reversion to the Mean. As such, he seems to have fallen
> victim to poor planning due to Recency Bias, instead of being wise
> enough to plan using historical averages.
>
> For historical data, here's one reference to use for planning:
>
> <https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/>
>
> ...or one can use the average of the above, which is +3.3%/year.
>
> and one should note that inflation can run in spurts just like the stock
> market: its "8% average returns" mantra is an average, which hides the
> there's been periods of over 15 years with flat/negative returns which
> get hidden in out by a huge +30% year. That's why one should expect to
> run household budget surpluses in years where inflation's below 3.3%, so
> as to bank for when there is a spurt.
>
> For example, take a normalized $100K retirement income starting in
> December 2016 that's been planned to have a 3.3% income growth per year,
> as per average inflation and then compare that budget plan to the actual
> inflation observed for the same time period:
>
>
> Year Income Plan CPI CPI Equiv.
> 2016 $100,000 n/a $100,000
> 2017 $103,300 2.11% $102,110
> 2018 $106,709 1.91% $104,060
> 2019 $110,230 2.29% $106,443
> 2020 $113,868 1.36% $107,891
> 2021 $117,626 7.04% $115,486
> 2022 $121,507 6.45% $122,935
> 2023 $125,517 3.35% $127,054
> 2024 $129,659 2.79% $130,598
>
>
> Now to analyze. Its easy to skip to today (Sept 2024) and say that
> $130,598 is more than $129,659 ... but that's not the whole story.
> The whole story is that 2017's budgeted $103,300 exceeded inflation's
> $102,110 by $1,190. Likewise, 2018 did too (by $2,649), as well as
> 2019, 2020, 2021. Lets build out that table and add up the differences:
>
>
> Year Delta Cumulative Delta
> 2016
> 2017 $1,190 $1,190
> 2018 $2,649 $3,839
> 2019 $3,787 $7,626
> 2020 $5,977 $13,603
> 2021 $2,139 $15,742
> 2022 $(1,428) $14,314
> 2023 $(1,537) $12,777
> 2024 $(939) $11,837
>
> TL;DR: even though inflation has put you above budget, your prior years
> under budget means that you've built up a $11,837 reserve.
>
> Here's the same data, in percentage form:
>
> Year Delta% Cum Delta %
> 2016
> 2017 1.2% 1.2%
> 2018 2.5% 3.6%
> 2019 3.4% 6.9%
> 2020 5.2% 11.9%
> 2021 1.8% 13.4%
> 2022 -1.2% 11.8%
> 2023 -1.2% 10.2%
> 2024 -0.7% 9.1%
>
> TL;DR: low inflation years let your budget get way ahead (+13.4% by the
> end of 2021), so despite the inflation bubble (now reverting back to the
> mean), you're still 9.1% ahead on your budget.
>
> That is, if you had planned your budget correctly to begin with, to not
> ignore historical average inflation rates.
>
>
> -hh

Did I make you do that? Talking about me in 3rd person is cute.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:6713cf78$2$2873013$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <vf0gli$2pq8t$23@dont-email.me>,
> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>
>> Sam Elliott Obama's Girlfriend <neverdeployed.lik@tim.walz> wrote in
>> news:vever9$pljh$15@news.mixmin.net:
>>
>>
>> > Pelosi and Cheney attacked the constitution, not Trump.
>> >
>> >
>> So tRump saying he wanted to "terminate" the Constitution was not an
>> attack on that Constitution?!!!
>
> He never said that. You do try, you fail but at least you try.
>

Liar! he absolutely said "terminate" in reference to the Constitution.

Lil dwarf Rudey <dumbasastump@invalid.org> wrote:
> Al Feldhauser wrote:
>> *No* sex
>
> Rudey sock change.
>
> Explain why are you death threat prosecution exempt by the Feds so far?

Maybe only state law applies

I don’t think it’s state law. I’m just speculating, based on Desantis’s
“FREEDOM FLORIDA”!!!

>
> And after _so many_ public death threats you issued on Trump and Vance...
>
> Let's do our best to change that, shall we:
>
>
> Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
> Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Henry Bodkin/Malte
> Runz and a few dozen other socks wrote:
>
> Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.
>
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>> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
> thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
>> is an important step to getting there.
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>
> That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:
>
>
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
> 18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
> Presidency
> U.S. Code
> Notes
> prev | next
> (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
> or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
> letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
> threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
> the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
> President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
> of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
> knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
> President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
> order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
> shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
> or both.
> (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
> this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
> candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
> respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
> held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
> accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
> phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
> President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
> order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
> United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
> (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
> Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
> 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
> XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
>
> 9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
> Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
> Service Protectees
> The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
> supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
> caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
> protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
> consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
> Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
> the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
> defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
> U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
> United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
> involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
> settlement involving a § 871 charge.
>
>
> https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and
>
> PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
> for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
> Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
> counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
> and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.
>
> The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
> living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
> to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
> November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
> statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
> resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
> U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
> crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
> series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.
>
> Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
> Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
> up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
> of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
> five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
> supervised release.
>
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> presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
> guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
>
> The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
> case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
> handling the prosecution.
>
>
> Those can be reported here:
>
> https://tips.fbi.gov/home
>
> https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint
>
> https://www.secretservice.gov/contact
>
> https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california
>
>
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Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> Mad?
>>> Hardly.
>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>
>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>
> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>
>>
>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
>>> saying.
>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>
>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>
> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>
>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>> And that is a fact.
>>
>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
>> Case in point:
>>
>>>
>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>
>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>
>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>> of the way there by another metric.
>
> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.

Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
They are going through some things.

Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
territories like Bilhorod.
For the past year.

>Or Israel.
>>
>>> He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
>>> that message so he stopped promoting it.
>>
>> Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
>> has emphasized different top messaging points.
>>
>>> The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
>>> administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
>>
>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
>> catch up?
>
> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
>>
>>
>>> Literally everything they have touched they have f^%*ed up.
>>
>> Such as?
>>
>> Despite the ongoing mess from CoVid that Trump screwed up back in 2020
>> by claiming it would 'go away' on its own, I've personally found these
>> post-DJT years to have been better, both perceptually and objectively.
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>
>

On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
<JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:

> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
>>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
>>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>> Mad?
>>>> Hardly.
>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>>
>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>>
>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
>>>> saying.
>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>>
>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>>
>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>>
>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>>> And that is a fact.
>>>
>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
>>> Case in point:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>
>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>
>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>
>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
>
>
> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
> They are going through some things.

The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
>
> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
> territories like Bilhorod.
> For the past year.

The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
be if he wins.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Pierre Delecto Romney <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>> GDP is merely an easy & irrefutable metric to rub your nose in
>
> Real cost of living numbers will see you and your leftarded DemonCraps
> gone as a viable party real soon.
>
> Enjoy the red wave, you asshole.

I am already enjoying red maga conspiracy kooks like Candace Owen trying to
convince us that Russia suddenly started experiencing islamist terror
attacks just because democrats suddenly decided they want to go to war with
Russia

Candace Owens, international/history and Russia expert

https://x.com/pikaso_me/status/1805244307416170567?s=61&t=ZCHyRu4DjWNZf_cm3_DB6A

In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
>
> > Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
> >>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
> >>>>>>>> operations.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
> >>>>>> get my drift.
> >>>>>> Pun intended.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
> >>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -hh
> >>>>
> >>>> Mad?
> >>>> Hardly.
> >>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
> >>>> It's a waste of energy.
> >>>
> >>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
> >>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
> >>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
> >>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
> >>
> >> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> >> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
> >>>> saying.
> >>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
> >>>
> >>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
> >>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
> >>
> >> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> >> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
> >>
> >>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
> >>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
> >>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
> >>>> And that is a fact.
> >>>
> >>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
> >>> Case in point:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>
> >>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>
> >>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>
> >> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
> >
> >
> > Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
> > They are going through some things.
>
> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
> >
> > Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
> > territories like Bilhorod.
> > For the past year.
>
> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
> be if he wins.

Bullshit. No wars when he was in office.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
>>
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
>>>>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
>>>>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mad?
>>>>>> Hardly.
>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>>>>
>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>>>>
>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>>>>
>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>>>>> And that is a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
>>>>> Case in point:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>
>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>
>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
>>> They are going through some things.
>>
>> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
>> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
>>>
>>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
>>> territories like Bilhorod.
>>> For the past year.
>>
>> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
>> be if he wins.
>
> Bullshit. No wars when he was in office.
>

Syria. Continued well into Trump presidency.

Ukraine.

Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 and continued attacking thru Trump presidency

Almost as if you do not remember that Trump was impeached over Zelenskyy’s
request for javelins to push back the Russians who invaded Donetsk.

And there is the indigenous Crimean Tatars, the remainder who were not
deported by Putin, continued to mobilize against him.

Once invaded in 2022, they continued mobilizing.

https://x.com/uwcongress/status/1684945860881227777?s=61&t=ZCHyRu4DjWNZf_cm3_DB6A

Ukrainian World Congress 🇺🇦
⁦‪@UWCongress‬⁩

According to Mustafa Dzhemilev, nat. leader of the Crimean Tatar People,
Crimean Tatars in the RU-occupied #Crimea form an armed resistance movement
to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Around 1K men are ready to take up
arms as soon as the 🇺🇦 military arrives. #CrimeaIsUkraine✌️
7/28/23, 11:16 AM

On 19 Oct 2024 18:01:32 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:18:36?AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
><jcj7hjh63i132a40meivo6408nct8u9r9s@4ax.com>:
>
>> On 18 Oct 2024 21:46:15 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish we had something closer to equal representation. With the Senate and
>>> the Electoral College we are FAR from that. Even the House is pretty far from
>>> it. I think the US would be MUCH better off if we had one adult citizen = one
>>> vote, and each vote counted the same.
>>
>> Pure democracy? That would be untenable in a nation of more than 300,000,000
>> citizens.
>
>Oh, we would still have representatives... but something closer to equal
>representation. Not the nonsense now where some people have 20x the
>representational power of others.

Where does that occur?

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On 19 Oct 2024 18:02:19 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 19, 2024 at 9:00:34?AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
><mol7hjtis73ak8galk33pj9i36e25fq9a7@4ax.com>:
>
>> On 18 Oct 2024 19:26:11 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:41:14?AM MST, "Pierre Delecto Romney" wrote
>>> <veu6js$3ddiq$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>>>
>>>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>>>> of a demoturd.
>>>>
>>>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>>>> grossly under-represented.
>>>>
>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>>>
>>>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than
>>>> previous 7 years: analysis
>>>>
>>>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>>>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>>>
>>> The pandemic reduced demand. That reduced prices. Capitalism.
>>>
>>> Add to that the war in Ukraine has impacted MANY prices.
>>
>> For example, bread, other grain based and oily foods (as well as animal feeds)
>> rose sharply because so much of Ukraine's grain, soybean and sunflower oil was
>> removed from global markets.
>>
>> Now that Ukraine is actually exporting more than before the war, why have those
>> prices not gone back down?
>
>I did not know they were back to doing major exporting. Have a good source?

My bad. I was going by a couple of Youtube videos that apparently either
overstated current exports or were referring to "wartime" record exports.

That said, Ukraine's destruction of the Russian Navy has resulted in current
shipments of roughly 85% of prewar totals.

Here are a couple of useful links.

"High-level policymakers have recently asserted that Ukraine’s grain and oilseed
exports are meeting and exceeding pre-war export levels. Data show that this is
not the case."
<https://www.csis.org/analysis/setting-record-straight-ukraines-grain-exports>

"Ukraine exported 5.2 million tonnes of grain and maize in March, 5.8 million
tonnes in February and 5.3 million tonnes in January.

"Before Russia's invasion in 2022, the country was sending about 6.5 million
tonnes abroad every month."
<https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61759692>

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:15:35 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <6713bcbc$3$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:01:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6713bbd5$2$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Except that I didn't dispute prices going up: I merely debunked your
>> >> claim that gas & groceries had doubled in less than four years.
>> >>
>> >>> The lies about crime also. Crime is on the rise.
>> >>
>> >> You're still making an empty claim not supported with substantiation.
>> >
>> > I live here idiot. I know what I see.
>>
>> You are basing your views on your feelings... not the evidence.
>
>If seeing is a feeling then so be it. The fact is you can't spin away
>from the truth.

Yet your feelings do not reflect the truth. They reflect only reality as you
wish it to be, not as it actually is.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:52:32 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> <bdi5hjtfg2l0f0pac62uo649cc38fklkhh@4ax.com>:
>
>> On 17 Oct 2024 16:54:16 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2024 at 9:31:09?AM MST, "-hh" wrote <vere4d$2q4h9$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 10/17/24 10:38 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>> "-hh" wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/16/24 5:20 PM, troll Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
>>>>>>>> she was representing California, one of the most progressive States
>>>>>>>> in the USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The MOST failed state in this nation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..
>>>>
>>>> Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.
>>>>
>>>>> Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon
>>>>> Emissions?
>>>>>
>>>>> China - 3rd worst for human rights
>>>>> China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
>>>>> China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
>>>>> combined.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
>>>> pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.
>>>> Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
>>>> USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.
>>>>
>>>> And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why
>>>> they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
>>>> and nuclear power construction.
>>>
>>> I wish the US would do more here.
>>
>> Not as long as Republicans have control. Things like renewable energy and mass
>> transit are clearly socialist in origin. Real capitalists live in fireplace
>> equipped log cabins and ride horses to church on Sunday.
>
> I wish we had something closer to equal representation. With the Senate and
> the Electoral College we are FAR from that. Even the House is pretty far from
> it. I think the US would be MUCH better off if we had one adult citizen = one
> vote, and each vote counted the same.
>
>

Would be great

But for things like the Hastert rule.

We constantly have people like Mitch McConnell throttling votes on things
that are popular and would pass with a majority but for the fact that he
and or his small minority just don’t like it.

One man. Making decisions disenfranchising the citizenry,

He should be scared, with his lips that color.
Would be terrible karma if he himself had gotten Covid, while he’d been
sitting on the relief bill since like what, July 2020, which finally passed
due to (I guess) pressure and sick people losing jobs and dying people all
over the place,

And now we got that deity wannabe Mike Moses Johnson who stifles needed
votes on things that are popular and wanted.

On top of which, he gives those congress critters much too much time off.

North Korea is invading Europe and the congress, other than Mike Turner,
seem utterly unconcerned.

On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:08:24 PM MST, "marika" wrote
<Iu_QO.225336$Enpe.13011@fx38.iad>:

> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:52:32 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>> <bdi5hjtfg2l0f0pac62uo649cc38fklkhh@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On 17 Oct 2024 16:54:16 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 17, 2024 at 9:31:09?AM MST, "-hh" wrote <vere4d$2q4h9$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/17/24 10:38 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>> "-hh" wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/16/24 5:20 PM, troll Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
>>>>>>>>> she was representing California, one of the most progressive States
>>>>>>>>> in the USA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The MOST failed state in this nation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..
>>>>>
>>>>> Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon
>>>>>> Emissions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> China - 3rd worst for human rights
>>>>>> China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
>>>>>> China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
>>>>>> combined.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
>>>>> pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.
>>>>> Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
>>>>> USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.
>>>>>
>>>>> And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why
>>>>> they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
>>>>> and nuclear power construction.
>>>>
>>>> I wish the US would do more here.
>>>
>>> Not as long as Republicans have control. Things like renewable energy and mass
>>> transit are clearly socialist in origin. Real capitalists live in fireplace
>>> equipped log cabins and ride horses to church on Sunday.
>>
>> I wish we had something closer to equal representation. With the Senate and
>> the Electoral College we are FAR from that. Even the House is pretty far from
>> it. I think the US would be MUCH better off if we had one adult citizen = one
>> vote, and each vote counted the same.
>
> Would be great
>
> But for things like the Hastert rule.

That .... but even worse. The Senate is designed to be non-representative, and
the House has become less so as limits of members has been reached but the
population keeps growing. Districts in highly populated areas now represent
far more people than those in less populated areas, making representation
unequal. This means that voters in smaller, rural districts often have more
political influence than those in larger, urban ones. This is of course even
more extreme in the Senate.

To make things even less fair those in the more populated areas tend to be the
ones who put into the federal government, where those who have more
representation get that money. Those with the least representation are paying
the most into our system. The irony is overall those who get the most are the
ones who scream about "Socialism".
>
> We constantly have people like Mitch McConnell throttling votes on things
> that are popular and would pass with a majority but for the fact that he
> and or his small minority just don’t like it.

Right. And he has destroyed the judiciary.
>
> One man. Making decisions disenfranchising the citizenry,
>
> He should be scared, with his lips that color.
> Would be terrible karma if he himself had gotten Covid, while he’d been
> sitting on the relief bill since like what, July 2020, which finally passed
> due to (I guess) pressure and sick people losing jobs and dying people all
> over the place,

And of course once we had the vaccine, red areas died at a higher rate because
of their own ignorance.
>
> And now we got that deity wannabe Mike Moses Johnson who stifles needed
> votes on things that are popular and wanted.

I know less about him. Thanks.
>
> On top of which, he gives those congress critters much too much time off.
>
> North Korea is invading Europe and the congress, other than Mike Turner,
> seem utterly unconcerned.

I only know a bit of this... apparently N. Korea is helping Russia. This can
get very ugly very fast.

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On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:02:20 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<8ks8hjts11ko3e3rm8mfo67s6ibge25qqh@4ax.com>:

> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:15:35 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <6713bcbc$3$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:01:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>> <6713bbd5$2$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except that I didn't dispute prices going up: I merely debunked your
>>>>> claim that gas & groceries had doubled in less than four years.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The lies about crime also. Crime is on the rise.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're still making an empty claim not supported with substantiation.
>>>>
>>>> I live here idiot. I know what I see.
>>>
>>> You are basing your views on your feelings... not the evidence.
>>
>> If seeing is a feeling then so be it. The fact is you can't spin away
>> from the truth.
>
> Yet your feelings do not reflect the truth. They reflect only reality as you
> wish it to be, not as it actually is.

Would be good if Skeeter are least realized evidence and equal rights are as
important to others as feelings are to him.

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On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:00:43 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<c4s8hj18s495k021do492hjch5cnj2l4ig@4ax.com>:

> On 19 Oct 2024 18:02:19 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 9:00:34?AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>> <mol7hjtis73ak8galk33pj9i36e25fq9a7@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On 18 Oct 2024 19:26:11 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:41:14?AM MST, "Pierre Delecto Romney" wrote
>>>> <veu6js$3ddiq$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>>>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>>>>
>>>>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>>>>> of a demoturd.
>>>>>
>>>>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>>>>> grossly under-represented.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>>>>
>>>>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than
>>>>> previous 7 years: analysis
>>>>>
>>>>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>>>>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>>>>
>>>> The pandemic reduced demand. That reduced prices. Capitalism.
>>>>
>>>> Add to that the war in Ukraine has impacted MANY prices.
>>>
>>> For example, bread, other grain based and oily foods (as well as animal feeds)
>>> rose sharply because so much of Ukraine's grain, soybean and sunflower oil was
>>> removed from global markets.
>>>
>>> Now that Ukraine is actually exporting more than before the war, why have those
>>> prices not gone back down?
>>
>> I did not know they were back to doing major exporting. Have a good source?
>
> My bad. I was going by a couple of Youtube videos that apparently either
> overstated current exports or were referring to "wartime" record exports.

Fair enough.
>
> That said, Ukraine's destruction of the Russian Navy has resulted in current
> shipments of roughly 85% of prewar totals.

Good to know.
>
> Here are a couple of useful links.
>
> "High-level policymakers have recently asserted that Ukraine’s grain and
> oilseed
> exports are meeting and exceeding pre-war export levels. Data show that this is
> not the case."
> <https://www.csis.org/analysis/setting-record-straight-ukraines-grain-exports>
>
> "Ukraine exported 5.2 million tonnes of grain and maize in March, 5.8 million
> tonnes in February and 5.3 million tonnes in January.
>
> "Before Russia's invasion in 2022, the country was sending about 6.5 million
> tonnes abroad every month."
> <https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61759692>

Thank you.

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On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:35:57 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<14r8hj5m9b6dbns26eh4sq6l7o4u4i4q3s@4ax.com>:

> On 19 Oct 2024 18:01:32 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:18:36?AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>> <jcj7hjh63i132a40meivo6408nct8u9r9s@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On 18 Oct 2024 21:46:15 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wish we had something closer to equal representation. With the Senate and
>>>> the Electoral College we are FAR from that. Even the House is pretty far from
>>>> it. I think the US would be MUCH better off if we had one adult citizen = one
>>>> vote, and each vote counted the same.
>>>
>>> Pure democracy? That would be untenable in a nation of more than 300,000,000
>>> citizens.
>>
>> Oh, we would still have representatives... but something closer to equal
>> representation. Not the nonsense now where some people have 20x the
>> representational power of others.
>
> Where does that occur?

Wyoming vs. California. Doing some research now.

That was what I was thinking for the Senate... but it is MUCH worse than that
there.

In the Senate:

Wyoming: 1 senator represents about 290,000 people.
California: 1 senator represents about 20 million people.

That means about a 1:69 representational inequality.

In the House:

Wyoming: 1 representative for ~580,000 people
California: 1 representative for every ~770,000 people

That means even in the house a about a 1:1.3 representational inequality.

Wyoming has 3 electoral votes for about 580,000 people, or ~193,000 people per
electoral vote.
California has 55 electoral votes for nearly 40 million people, or ~727,000
people per electoral vote.

This means a 1:3.8 representational inequality

And yet California citizens give, on average, about $5000 a year to the US
government, and each Wyoming citizen GETS a bit under $7000.

Those who have the least representation are giving the most. Those with the
most representation are getting massive support from the Federal government.

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On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
>>
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
>>>>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
>>>>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mad?
>>>>>> Hardly.
>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>>>>
>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>>>>
>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>>>>
>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>>>>> And that is a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
>>>>> Case in point:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>
>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>
>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
>>> They are going through some things.
>>
>> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
>> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
>>>
>>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
>>> territories like Bilhorod.
>>> For the past year.
>>
>> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
>> be if he wins.
>
> Bullshit.

Cite?

> No wars when he was in office.

In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase

Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan.

October 2019. U.S. drone strike in Iran.

Trump also deployed active-duty troops to the U.S.-Mexico border.

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On 10/19/24 10:01 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vf02hi$3cf08$3@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 10/18/24 1:46 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <veu63e$3cbit$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/18/24 11:23 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>> Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
>>>>> paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
>>>>
>>>> Not for most of Trump's tenure you didn't.
>>>>
>>>> The only time that gas was under $2/gallon during Trump's tenure was for
>>>> just 9 weeks during the biggest part of the CoVid shutdown, namely
>>>> 4/6/20 to 6/1/20.
>>>>
>>>> That's just 4% of Trump's time in office: the other 96% of the time you
>>>> were paying more.
>>>>
>>>> In some cases, more then than the equivalent dollar value today.
>>>> Case in point, from my prior post:
>>>>
>>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>>>
>>>> As per the CPI calculator (here's the URL again):
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.usinflationcalculator.com>
>>>>
>>>> ...$1 in 2018 is worth $0.80 today, so (.80)*($3.136) = $2.51/gallon.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, what this means is that the real price of gas today is 13% lower
>>>> than it was the same week back in 2018.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - -
>>>>
>>>> Plus since this is supposed to be about policy, not random chance of
>>>> CoVid, do you remember what did Trump do when gas prices did plummet by
>>>> 20% in one month from CoVid?
>>>>
>>>> Why Trump flew to Saudi Arabia and demanded that OPEC cut production so
>>>> as to raise oil prices:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-us-military-support--idUSKBN22C1V3/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Plus on future oil prices, Trump set the stage for those being higher
>>>> too after his term, by expanding bans on domestic exploration drilling,
>>>> calling himself a "great environmentalist":
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.npr.org/2020/09/26/917309717/as-election-nears-trump-expands-moratorium-on-exploratory-drilling-in-atlantic>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame
>>>>>> the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever. What you call facts is only bullshit put out there to make the
>>>>> people happy. I do the shopping. I know what is going on.
>>>>
>>>> It ain't bullshit to cite historical industry data. Especially data
>>>> that's been collected & published weekly for literally decades.
>>>>
>>>> It ain't bullshit to note that you've cherry-picked from the CoVid price
>>>> crash, instead being honest on what prices were 90%+ of the time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And it ain't bullshit to note that you've avoided correcting me on what
>>>> I said about your statements:
>>>>
>>>> [quote]
>>>>
>>>> "I couls afford to do stuff."
>>>>
>>>> which you said that in context to your prior
>>>>
>>>> "I was better off when Trump was in office."
>>>>
>>>> You're trying to imply that you could afford stuff when Trump was in
>>>> office, but now you can't.
>>>>
>>>> [/quote]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You've claimed that gas was 2x more expensive.
>>>> That's been proven false.
>>>>
>>>> You've also claimed food was 2x more expensive.
>>>> That's been proven false too.
>>>>
>>>> Got anything else you want to try to falsely blame?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> You're playing word games again. The fact is prices are higher on
>>> everything.
>>
>>
>> Except that I didn't dispute prices going up: I merely debunked your
>> claim that gas & groceries had doubled in less than four years.
>>
>>> The lies about crime also. Crime is on the rise.
>>
>> You're still making an empty claim not supported with substantiation.
>
> I live here idiot. I know what I see.

Confirmation bias is a devious thing. Do you have clippings from your
hometown newspaper articles for the past ~decade where you've actually
kept track of the rates?

If not, you merely have an opinion.

>>> I can waste
>>> time arguing with you woke freaks. You all parrot each other. Like
>>> Kamalla did you just spin around the topics.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately for you, I've substantiated what I've said. You only have
>> your knee-jerk emotions which are not based in factual reality.
>
>
> I live here. Try getting out sometime.

Was just out yesterday for dinner. Crab cakes!
Didn't see a single criminal act. Now what, Batman?

-hh

On 10/19/24 5:17 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vf168e$3sigu$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 10/18/24 4:59 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 10:36:54 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <vere5c$2q4h9$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/17/24 9:51 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
>>>>>>> personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
>>>>>>> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moron.
>>>>>
>>>>> Translation: Nailed It.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>> I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?
>>>
>>> Then the problem is your own failure to properly manage your retirement
>>> financing because you're a moron.
>>
>> I'm content with just noting that his claimed fiscal problems are within
>> his own control, and thus his responsibility: it is lame to try to cry
>> victim over nominally typical economic conditions.
>>
>> Of course, he'll try to shout "But...but inflation!", but the reality
>> there is that inflation always has existed: the amount we've seen since
>> 2020 is simply Reversion to the Mean. As such, he seems to have fallen
>> victim to poor planning due to Recency Bias, instead of being wise
>> enough to plan using historical averages.
>>
>> For historical data, here's one reference to use for planning:
>>
>> <https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/>
>>
>> ...or one can use the average of the above, which is +3.3%/year.
>>
>> and one should note that inflation can run in spurts just like the stock
>> market: its "8% average returns" mantra is an average, which hides the
>> there's been periods of over 15 years with flat/negative returns which
>> get hidden in out by a huge +30% year. That's why one should expect to
>> run household budget surpluses in years where inflation's below 3.3%, so
>> as to bank for when there is a spurt.
>>
>> For example, take a normalized $100K retirement income starting in
>> December 2016 that's been planned to have a 3.3% income growth per year,
>> as per average inflation and then compare that budget plan to the actual
>> inflation observed for the same time period:
>>
>>
>> Year Income Plan CPI CPI Equiv.
>> 2016 $100,000 n/a $100,000
>> 2017 $103,300 2.11% $102,110
>> 2018 $106,709 1.91% $104,060
>> 2019 $110,230 2.29% $106,443
>> 2020 $113,868 1.36% $107,891
>> 2021 $117,626 7.04% $115,486
>> 2022 $121,507 6.45% $122,935
>> 2023 $125,517 3.35% $127,054
>> 2024 $129,659 2.79% $130,598
>>
>>
>> Now to analyze. Its easy to skip to today (Sept 2024) and say that
>> $130,598 is more than $129,659 ... but that's not the whole story.
>> The whole story is that 2017's budgeted $103,300 exceeded inflation's
>> $102,110 by $1,190. Likewise, 2018 did too (by $2,649), as well as
>> 2019, 2020, 2021. Lets build out that table and add up the differences:
>>
>>
>> Year Delta Cumulative Delta
>> 2016
>> 2017 $1,190 $1,190
>> 2018 $2,649 $3,839
>> 2019 $3,787 $7,626
>> 2020 $5,977 $13,603
>> 2021 $2,139 $15,742
>> 2022 $(1,428) $14,314
>> 2023 $(1,537) $12,777
>> 2024 $(939) $11,837
>>
>> TL;DR: even though inflation has put you above budget, your prior years
>> under budget means that you've built up a $11,837 reserve.
>>
>> Here's the same data, in percentage form:
>>
>> Year Delta% Cum Delta %
>> 2016
>> 2017 1.2% 1.2%
>> 2018 2.5% 3.6%
>> 2019 3.4% 6.9%
>> 2020 5.2% 11.9%
>> 2021 1.8% 13.4%
>> 2022 -1.2% 11.8%
>> 2023 -1.2% 10.2%
>> 2024 -0.7% 9.1%
>>
>> TL;DR: low inflation years let your budget get way ahead (+13.4% by the
>> end of 2021), so despite the inflation bubble (now reverting back to the
>> mean), you're still 9.1% ahead on your budget.
>>
>> That is, if you had planned your budget correctly to begin with, to not
>> ignore historical average inflation rates.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> Did I make you do that? Talking about me in 3rd person is cute.

Your bleating about being poor was a reminder to me that 60% of US
households admit that they don't have a budget, and of those who say
that they do, 40% of these are done incorrectly.

Because so many folks are bad at this, I've been liberal in offering
basic financial planning advice. The above's a trivially easy example
where creating the spreadsheet took less than five minutes to knock out.

If you want to customize it for yourself, you'd need to do two things:

a) Adjust to actual retirement year instead of 12/2016, and look up the
CPI's for any added years.

b) Adjust to actual retirement income by taking the normalized $100K
and multiply by your (income/$100K) to recalculate all the values.

FYI, if you want to post those two data points, I already have this in a
spreadsheet, so its a quick update to customize a plan just for you, or
for anyone else who's interested.

-hh

In article <67147734$0$1427989$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:02:20 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> <8ks8hjts11ko3e3rm8mfo67s6ibge25qqh@4ax.com>:
>
> > On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:15:35 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <6713bcbc$3$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:01:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>> <6713bbd5$2$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Except that I didn't dispute prices going up: I merely debunked your
> >>>>> claim that gas & groceries had doubled in less than four years.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The lies about crime also. Crime is on the rise.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You're still making an empty claim not supported with substantiation.
> >>>>
> >>>> I live here idiot. I know what I see.
> >>>
> >>> You are basing your views on your feelings... not the evidence.
> >>
> >> If seeing is a feeling then so be it. The fact is you can't spin away
> >> from the truth.
> >
> > Yet your feelings do not reflect the truth. They reflect only reality as you
> > wish it to be, not as it actually is.
>
> Would be good if Skeeter are least realized evidence and equal rights are as
> important to others as feelings are to him.

You're the one that "feels" harmed by dots on a screen.

In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
> >> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
> >>
> >>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
> >>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
> >>>>>>>>>> operations.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
> >>>>>>>> get my drift.
> >>>>>>>> Pun intended.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
> >>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mad?
> >>>>>> Hardly.
> >>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
> >>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
> >>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
> >>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
> >>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
> >>>>
> >>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> >>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
> >>>>>> saying.
> >>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
> >>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> >>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
> >>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
> >>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
> >>>>>> And that is a fact.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
> >>>>> Case in point:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>>>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>>>
> >>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
> >>> They are going through some things.
> >>
> >> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
> >> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
> >>>
> >>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
> >>> territories like Bilhorod.
> >>> For the past year.
> >>
> >> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
> >> be if he wins.
> >
> > Bullshit.
>
> Cite?
>
> > No wars when he was in office.
>
> In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase

Not a war.
>
> Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan.

To end a war.
>
> October 2019. U.S. drone strike in Iran.

Not a war.
>
> Trump also deployed active-duty troops to the U.S.-Mexico border.

So? It's needed. But not a war.

In article <vf2mf0$cfh6$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
>
> On 10/19/24 10:01 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vf02hi$3cf08$3@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 10/18/24 1:46 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <veu63e$3cbit$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/18/24 11:23 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>> Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
> >>>>> paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not for most of Trump's tenure you didn't.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only time that gas was under $2/gallon during Trump's tenure was for
> >>>> just 9 weeks during the biggest part of the CoVid shutdown, namely
> >>>> 4/6/20 to 6/1/20.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's just 4% of Trump's time in office: the other 96% of the time you
> >>>> were paying more.
> >>>>
> >>>> In some cases, more then than the equivalent dollar value today.
> >>>> Case in point, from my prior post:
> >>>>
> >>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
> >>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
> >>>>
> >>>> As per the CPI calculator (here's the URL again):
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.usinflationcalculator.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> ...$1 in 2018 is worth $0.80 today, so (.80)*($3.136) = $2.51/gallon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, what this means is that the real price of gas today is 13% lower
> >>>> than it was the same week back in 2018.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> - -
> >>>>
> >>>> Plus since this is supposed to be about policy, not random chance of
> >>>> CoVid, do you remember what did Trump do when gas prices did plummet by
> >>>> 20% in one month from CoVid?
> >>>>
> >>>> Why Trump flew to Saudi Arabia and demanded that OPEC cut production so
> >>>> as to raise oil prices:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-us-military-support--idUSKBN22C1V3/>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Plus on future oil prices, Trump set the stage for those being higher
> >>>> too after his term, by expanding bans on domestic exploration drilling,
> >>>> calling himself a "great environmentalist":
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.npr.org/2020/09/26/917309717/as-election-nears-trump-expands-moratorium-on-exploratory-drilling-in-atlantic>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame
> >>>>>> the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Whatever. What you call facts is only bullshit put out there to make the
> >>>>> people happy. I do the shopping. I know what is going on.
> >>>>
> >>>> It ain't bullshit to cite historical industry data. Especially data
> >>>> that's been collected & published weekly for literally decades.
> >>>>
> >>>> It ain't bullshit to note that you've cherry-picked from the CoVid price
> >>>> crash, instead being honest on what prices were 90%+ of the time.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And it ain't bullshit to note that you've avoided correcting me on what
> >>>> I said about your statements:
> >>>>
> >>>> [quote]
> >>>>
> >>>> "I couls afford to do stuff."
> >>>>
> >>>> which you said that in context to your prior
> >>>>
> >>>> "I was better off when Trump was in office."
> >>>>
> >>>> You're trying to imply that you could afford stuff when Trump was in
> >>>> office, but now you can't.
> >>>>
> >>>> [/quote]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You've claimed that gas was 2x more expensive.
> >>>> That's been proven false.
> >>>>
> >>>> You've also claimed food was 2x more expensive.
> >>>> That's been proven false too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Got anything else you want to try to falsely blame?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -hh
> >>>
> >>> You're playing word games again. The fact is prices are higher on
> >>> everything.
> >>
> >>
> >> Except that I didn't dispute prices going up: I merely debunked your
> >> claim that gas & groceries had doubled in less than four years.
> >>
> >>> The lies about crime also. Crime is on the rise.
> >>
> >> You're still making an empty claim not supported with substantiation.
> >
> > I live here idiot. I know what I see.
>
> Confirmation bias is a devious thing. Do you have clippings from your
> hometown newspaper articles for the past ~decade where you've actually
> kept track of the rates?
>

What is a "handful" of apartment buildings?

> If not, you merely have an opinion.

I live here.
>
>
> >>> I can waste
> >>> time arguing with you woke freaks. You all parrot each other. Like
> >>> Kamalla did you just spin around the topics.
> >>
> >>
> >> Unfortunately for you, I've substantiated what I've said. You only have
> >> your knee-jerk emotions which are not based in factual reality.
> >
> >
> > I live here. Try getting out sometime.
>
> Was just out yesterday for dinner. Crab cakes!
> Didn't see a single criminal act. Now what, Batman?
>
Damn you're dumb. Do you think your little bubble is the whole country?