On 10/18/2024 6:33 PM, Michael A Terrell wrote:
> On 10/18/2024 12:20 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell,
> convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another
> content-free batch of lies:
>
>> In article <t3yQO.182741$15a6.163021@fx12.iad>,
>> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>>
>>> On 10/18/2024 9:03 AM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
>>> Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
>>> child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another
>>> content-free batch
>>> of lies:
>>>
>>>> In article <67127eb3$1$1428338$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 8:23:52 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>> <67127d6f$1$1781$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>> Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid.  Nor are
>>>>>>> groceries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
>>>>>> paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Covid. Ukraine. Israel. Corporate greed. Trump redistributing money
>>>>> to the
>>>>> very rich. These things hurt the economy badly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try
>>>>>>> to blame
>>>>>>> the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically
>>>>>>> lame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is the right wing response to evidence: whatever.
>>>>
>>>> and the left wing response to anything is "TRUMP".
>>>
>>> No, not "the left wing" ? *all* right-thinking Americans who reject
>>> fascism.
>>
>> Like Camels interview..."TRUMP"
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You focus on emotions... those on the left TEND to focus on
>>>>> evidence and equal
>>>>> rights more.
>>>>
>>>> But you feel harmed bu Trump.
>>>
>>> Because Trump attacked the Constitution and the rule of law. That
>>> harms everyone.
>>
>> How so?
>
> Asked and not answered.

You can't answer because it didn't happen.

On 10/18/24 3:19 PM, Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>> On 10/18/24 1:41 PM, Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> 10/08/2018:  $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>>> 10/07/2024:  $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>>
>>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive
>>> virus of a demoturd.
>>>
>>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>>> grossly under-represented.
>>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-
>>> biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>>
>>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden — 13 times faster
>>> than previous 7 years: analysis
>>>
>>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business
>>> reported.
>>
>> Fox lied to you.
>
> Nope.
>
> You are a craven liar, Huntzy.

Nope, you were forced to snip my reply to try to save face:

[quote]

Fox lied to you.

They lied because a +52% increase from $2.392/gal (week ending 1/25/21)
is equal to $3.638/gal, whereas prices are roughly 50 cents/gal lower,
namely either $3.136 to $3.171, depending on if Fox published as per EAI
week ending 10/07/24 or 10/14/24.

And you don't need to believe me: go check the cite & math yourself:

<https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>

[/quote]

>
>
> Since January 2021, electricity prices have soared 29.4% — 50% more than
> overall inflation — rising 13 times faster than the previous seven
> years, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Bureau of Labor
> Statistics data.

I'll look into your goalpost move to complain about electrical rates.
Of course, you'll of course provide first what the connection is to
political policy which caused these rate increases, right? That means
it was not from increased demand, nor climate change, nor forest fires.

> https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/started-going-energy-prices-soar-
> biden-pursues-green-agenda
>
> The Labor Department's new Consumer Price Index (CPI) report on Tuesday
> showed that gasoline and housing costs were the biggest drivers of a
> 0.4% increase in March. Prices climbed 3.5% from the same time last
> year, higher than economists had predicted. Oil prices have reached a
> five-month-high.
>
> "There is no improvement here, we’re moving in the wrong direction,"
> said Greg McBride, chief financial analyst for Bankrate.
>
> Every driver in America knows that gasoline prices surged to exorbitant
> highs in 2022, following international disruptions in oil production as
> a result of war between Russia and Ukraine. Prices have since come down,
> but overall gas still costs 52.1% more today than when Biden became
> president. On Jan. 18, 2021, the average price per gallon of gas was
> $2.38, and today it is $3.62, according to data from the _Energy
> Information Administration_.
>
> Diesel prices tell a similar story, increasing 50.4% over the last three
> years, from $2.70 per gallon in January 2021 to $4.06 per gallon today.
>
>

No cite provided for any of the above...of course.

But to start fact-checking, here's the EIA chart on diesel prices:

<https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMD_EPD2D_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>

Current data is week ending 10/14/24 has diesel at $3.631/gallon, which
is a "mere" 43 cents/gallon (12%) lower than your claimed price. Oops.

FYI on diesel costs, there's far more to that story, including the crude
grade mix OPEC is choosing to sell, because gas is more profitable per
barrel than diesel: the 2020 production cutbacks that Trump called for
resulted in a change of the crude oil ratios, and they curtailed diesel
centric crude grades more than gasoline to reduce their losses.

Plus diesel is overwhelmingly commercial, not private vehicles, and from
a supply-demand standpoint, they're a much more inflexible market.

Because what really matters in this goalpost shift attempt is if it is
even relevant to US consumers in their day-to-day budget. After all,
commercial transportation cost increases have already been accounted for
in other CPI metrics (e.g. groceries). So how relevant is diesel fuel
to US households? Well, the percent of privately owned diesel vehicles
is just 3.4% in the USA, which means that the price of diesel isn't even
in most (96%) household transportation budgets.

And sure, there's regional variations: a good chunk of the US fleet's
remaining POV diesels are pickups and often owned out West ... but lets
not forget that a common taxman cheat is to "occasionally" fill from
farm fuel (and/or home heating oil) to avoid paying highway road taxes.

-hh

On 10/18/24 1:46 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <veu63e$3cbit$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 10/18/24 11:23 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>> Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries.
>>>
>>> Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
>>> paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
>>
>> Not for most of Trump's tenure you didn't.
>>
>> The only time that gas was under $2/gallon during Trump's tenure was for
>> just 9 weeks during the biggest part of the CoVid shutdown, namely
>> 4/6/20 to 6/1/20.
>>
>> That's just 4% of Trump's time in office: the other 96% of the time you
>> were paying more.
>>
>> In some cases, more then than the equivalent dollar value today.
>> Case in point, from my prior post:
>>
>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>
>> As per the CPI calculator (here's the URL again):
>>
>> <https://www.usinflationcalculator.com>
>>
>> ...$1 in 2018 is worth $0.80 today, so (.80)*($3.136) = $2.51/gallon.
>>
>> Yes, what this means is that the real price of gas today is 13% lower
>> than it was the same week back in 2018.
>>
>>
>> - -
>>
>> Plus since this is supposed to be about policy, not random chance of
>> CoVid, do you remember what did Trump do when gas prices did plummet by
>> 20% in one month from CoVid?
>>
>> Why Trump flew to Saudi Arabia and demanded that OPEC cut production so
>> as to raise oil prices:
>>
>> <https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-us-military-support--idUSKBN22C1V3/>
>>
>>
>> Plus on future oil prices, Trump set the stage for those being higher
>> too after his term, by expanding bans on domestic exploration drilling,
>> calling himself a "great environmentalist":
>>
>> <https://www.npr.org/2020/09/26/917309717/as-election-nears-trump-expands-moratorium-on-exploratory-drilling-in-atlantic>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame
>>>> the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
>>>
>>> Whatever. What you call facts is only bullshit put out there to make the
>>> people happy. I do the shopping. I know what is going on.
>>
>> It ain't bullshit to cite historical industry data. Especially data
>> that's been collected & published weekly for literally decades.
>>
>> It ain't bullshit to note that you've cherry-picked from the CoVid price
>> crash, instead being honest on what prices were 90%+ of the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> And it ain't bullshit to note that you've avoided correcting me on what
>> I said about your statements:
>>
>> [quote]
>>
>> "I couls afford to do stuff."
>>
>> which you said that in context to your prior
>>
>> "I was better off when Trump was in office."
>>
>> You're trying to imply that you could afford stuff when Trump was in
>> office, but now you can't.
>>
>> [/quote]
>>
>>
>> You've claimed that gas was 2x more expensive.
>> That's been proven false.
>>
>> You've also claimed food was 2x more expensive.
>> That's been proven false too.
>>
>> Got anything else you want to try to falsely blame?
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> You're playing word games again. The fact is prices are higher on
> everything.

Except that I didn't dispute prices going up: I merely debunked your
claim that gas & groceries had doubled in less than four years.

> The lies about crime also. Crime is on the rise.

You're still making an empty claim not supported with substantiation.

> I can waste
> time arguing with you woke freaks. You all parrot each other. Like
> Kamalla did you just spin around the topics.

Unfortunately for you, I've substantiated what I've said. You only have
your knee-jerk emotions which are not based in factual reality.

-hh

In article <vf02hi$3cf08$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/18/24 1:46 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <veu63e$3cbit$1@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 10/18/24 11:23 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>> Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries.
> >>>
> >>> Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
> >>> paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
> >>
> >> Not for most of Trump's tenure you didn't.
> >>
> >> The only time that gas was under $2/gallon during Trump's tenure was for
> >> just 9 weeks during the biggest part of the CoVid shutdown, namely
> >> 4/6/20 to 6/1/20.
> >>
> >> That's just 4% of Trump's time in office: the other 96% of the time you
> >> were paying more.
> >>
> >> In some cases, more then than the equivalent dollar value today.
> >> Case in point, from my prior post:
> >>
> >> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
> >> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
> >>
> >> As per the CPI calculator (here's the URL again):
> >>
> >> <https://www.usinflationcalculator.com>
> >>
> >> ...$1 in 2018 is worth $0.80 today, so (.80)*($3.136) = $2.51/gallon.
> >>
> >> Yes, what this means is that the real price of gas today is 13% lower
> >> than it was the same week back in 2018.
> >>
> >>
> >> - -
> >>
> >> Plus since this is supposed to be about policy, not random chance of
> >> CoVid, do you remember what did Trump do when gas prices did plummet by
> >> 20% in one month from CoVid?
> >>
> >> Why Trump flew to Saudi Arabia and demanded that OPEC cut production so
> >> as to raise oil prices:
> >>
> >> <https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-us-military-support--idUSKBN22C1V3/>
> >>
> >>
> >> Plus on future oil prices, Trump set the stage for those being higher
> >> too after his term, by expanding bans on domestic exploration drilling,
> >> calling himself a "great environmentalist":
> >>
> >> <https://www.npr.org/2020/09/26/917309717/as-election-nears-trump-expands-moratorium-on-exploratory-drilling-in-atlantic>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame
> >>>> the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
> >>>
> >>> Whatever. What you call facts is only bullshit put out there to make the
> >>> people happy. I do the shopping. I know what is going on.
> >>
> >> It ain't bullshit to cite historical industry data. Especially data
> >> that's been collected & published weekly for literally decades.
> >>
> >> It ain't bullshit to note that you've cherry-picked from the CoVid price
> >> crash, instead being honest on what prices were 90%+ of the time.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And it ain't bullshit to note that you've avoided correcting me on what
> >> I said about your statements:
> >>
> >> [quote]
> >>
> >> "I couls afford to do stuff."
> >>
> >> which you said that in context to your prior
> >>
> >> "I was better off when Trump was in office."
> >>
> >> You're trying to imply that you could afford stuff when Trump was in
> >> office, but now you can't.
> >>
> >> [/quote]
> >>
> >>
> >> You've claimed that gas was 2x more expensive.
> >> That's been proven false.
> >>
> >> You've also claimed food was 2x more expensive.
> >> That's been proven false too.
> >>
> >> Got anything else you want to try to falsely blame?
> >>
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > You're playing word games again. The fact is prices are higher on
> > everything.
>
>
> Except that I didn't dispute prices going up: I merely debunked your
> claim that gas & groceries had doubled in less than four years.
>
> > The lies about crime also. Crime is on the rise.
>
> You're still making an empty claim not supported with substantiation.

I live here idiot. I know what I see.
>
>
>
> > I can waste
> > time arguing with you woke freaks. You all parrot each other. Like
> > Kamalla did you just spin around the topics.
>
>
> Unfortunately for you, I've substantiated what I've said. You only have
> your knee-jerk emotions which are not based in factual reality.

I live here. Try getting out sometime.
>
>
> -hh

On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:01:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6713bbd5$2$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

>>
>>
>> Except that I didn't dispute prices going up: I merely debunked your
>> claim that gas & groceries had doubled in less than four years.
>>
>>> The lies about crime also. Crime is on the rise.
>>
>> You're still making an empty claim not supported with substantiation.
>
> I live here idiot. I know what I see.

You are basing your views on your feelings... not the evidence.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <6713bcbc$3$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:01:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <6713bbd5$2$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Except that I didn't dispute prices going up: I merely debunked your
> >> claim that gas & groceries had doubled in less than four years.
> >>
> >>> The lies about crime also. Crime is on the rise.
> >>
> >> You're still making an empty claim not supported with substantiation.
> >
> > I live here idiot. I know what I see.
>
> You are basing your views on your feelings... not the evidence.

If seeing is a feeling then so be it. The fact is you can't spin away
from the truth.

On 18 Oct 2024 21:46:15 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>I wish we had something closer to equal representation. With the Senate and
>the Electoral College we are FAR from that. Even the House is pretty far from
>it. I think the US would be MUCH better off if we had one adult citizen = one
>vote, and each vote counted the same.

Pure democracy? That would be untenable in a nation of more than 300,000,000
citizens.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On 17 Oct 2024 22:16:10 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>So no actual response. No video even. Just your feelings. You focus on those a
>lot.

Perhaps Skeeter is a woman. The poster is using a feminine name and his/her
reactions are always based on emotion rather than analytics.

Skeeter may well be in the same sock family as pothead.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:26:50 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>You idiot. I never said I was falling behind in anything.

Yes, liar. You did.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:26:50 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>> "Double"? Only if you're comparing costs to ... 1996:
>
>4 years ago.

Liar. Prices have not doubled in four years.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:23:52 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
>recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>> Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries.
>
>Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
>paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.

Liar. Gas hasn't been under two bucks a gallon since Bush's first term.

<https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/leafhandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m>
>> Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame
>> the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
>
>Whatever. What you call facts is only bullshit put out there to make the
>people happy. I do the shopping. I know what is going on.

Which is what qualifies you as a liar. You shop, you know that prices are NOT
double what they were four years ago but you keep claiming they are.

Therefore, you prove yourself to be lying.

Why should anybody trust anything said by an admitted and proven liar?

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:18:53 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>> What do you think the right wing has to offer? Notice below you focus on
>> feelings and maintain your unsupported accusations.
>
>They are not the left.
>
>> >> You focus on emotions... those on the left TEND to focus on evidence and equal
>> >> rights more.
>
>That's what liberals do.

You're an admitted and proven liar. Nobody can trust what you say about
anything.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:31:45 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <6712bbf7$3$3620703$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:41:37 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6712b9f2$1$1895503$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>> >
>> > I didn't even read it.
>>
>> What you ran from -- you prefer ignorance:
>
>I prefer facts.

Liar. You run from them and never post any. For example, you admitted you
didn't read the facts below.
>>
>> Liberal policies are rooted in evidence-based approaches and a commitment to
>> equal rights, aiming for outcomes that benefit society as a whole. For
>> healthcare, they focus on universal access or the like which studies show
>> leads to better health outcomes and lower costs.
>>
>> On climate change, they look to scientific consensus that transitioning to
>> renewable energy reduces carbon emissions and can create millions of jobs in
>> clean energy industries.
>>
>> Economically, raising the minimum wage and taxing the wealthy more are
>> supported by data showing they reduce income inequality and improve quality of
>> life for low- and middle-income workers.
>>
>> In education, offering free public college and forgiving student loans are
>> based on evidence that increasing access to education leads to higher earnings
>> and economic mobility. Expanding early childhood education has long been
>> proven to improve long-term academic and social outcomes.
>>
>> For civil rights, policies promoting racial justice, LGBTQ+ protections, and
>> reproductive rights aim to ensure equal treatment for all, leading to a
>> fairer, more inclusive society. Immigration reform would provide a path to
>> citizenship for undocumented immigrants, with research showing that
>> integrating immigrants strengthens the economy.
>>
>> Gun control measures like universal background checks and assault weapon bans
>> are supported by data linking them to lower rates of gun violence. Expanding
>> voting rights and strengthening unions have been shown to lead to greater
>> civic participation and fairer wages, promoting equality across society. The
>> focus is on policies that create a healthier, fairer, and more just society
>> for all.
>>
>> What do you think the right wing has to offer?
>

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On 18 Oct 2024 20:38:37 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:31:45?PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
><6712c5b2$0$3620710$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> In article <6712bbf7$3$3620703$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:41:37 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>> <6712b9f2$1$1895503$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I didn't even read it.
>>>
>>> What you ran from -- you prefer ignorance:
>>
>> I prefer facts.
>
>This claim is contrary to the evidence.

That's because he's a chronic liar.
>>> Liberal policies are rooted in evidence-based approaches and a commitment to
>>> equal rights, aiming for outcomes that benefit society as a whole. For
>>> healthcare, they focus on universal access or the like which studies show
>>> leads to better health outcomes and lower costs.
>>>
>>> On climate change, they look to scientific consensus that transitioning to
>>> renewable energy reduces carbon emissions and can create millions of jobs in
>>> clean energy industries.
>>>
>>> Economically, raising the minimum wage and taxing the wealthy more are
>>> supported by data showing they reduce income inequality and improve quality of
>>> life for low- and middle-income workers.
>>>
>>> In education, offering free public college and forgiving student loans are
>>> based on evidence that increasing access to education leads to higher earnings
>>> and economic mobility. Expanding early childhood education has long been
>>> proven to improve long-term academic and social outcomes.
>>>
>>> For civil rights, policies promoting racial justice, LGBTQ+ protections, and
>>> reproductive rights aim to ensure equal treatment for all, leading to a
>>> fairer, more inclusive society. Immigration reform would provide a path to
>>> citizenship for undocumented immigrants, with research showing that
>>> integrating immigrants strengthens the economy.
>>>
>>> Gun control measures like universal background checks and assault weapon bans
>>> are supported by data linking them to lower rates of gun violence. Expanding
>>> voting rights and strengthening unions have been shown to lead to greater
>>> civic participation and fairer wages, promoting equality across society. The
>>> focus is on policies that create a healthier, fairer, and more just society
>>> for all.
>>>
>>> What do you think the right wing has to offer?
>
>You have no answer for this.

That's because the only correct answer is, "nothing".

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On 18 Oct 2024 21:44:47 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:46:52?PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
><6712c93d$0$1895505$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> In article <6712c74d$0$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:31:45 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>> <6712c5b2$0$3620710$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> In article <6712bbf7$3$3620703$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:41:37 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>> <6712b9f2$1$1895503$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't even read it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you ran from -- you prefer ignorance:
>>>>
>>>> I prefer facts.
>>>
>>> This claim is contrary to the evidence.
>>
>> What claim?
>
>Yours.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Liberal policies are rooted in evidence-based approaches and a commitment to
>>>>> equal rights, aiming for outcomes that benefit society as a whole. For
>>>>> healthcare, they focus on universal access or the like which studies show
>>>>> leads to better health outcomes and lower costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> On climate change, they look to scientific consensus that transitioning to
>>>>> renewable energy reduces carbon emissions and can create millions of jobs in
>>>>> clean energy industries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Economically, raising the minimum wage and taxing the wealthy more are
>>>>> supported by data showing they reduce income inequality and improve quality of
>>>>> life for low- and middle-income workers.
>>>>>
>>>>> In education, offering free public college and forgiving student loans are
>>>>> based on evidence that increasing access to education leads to higher earnings
>>>>> and economic mobility. Expanding early childhood education has long been
>>>>> proven to improve long-term academic and social outcomes.
>>>>>
>>>>> For civil rights, policies promoting racial justice, LGBTQ+ protections, and
>>>>> reproductive rights aim to ensure equal treatment for all, leading to a
>>>>> fairer, more inclusive society. Immigration reform would provide a path to
>>>>> citizenship for undocumented immigrants, with research showing that
>>>>> integrating immigrants strengthens the economy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gun control measures like universal background checks and assault weapon bans
>>>>> are supported by data linking them to lower rates of gun violence. Expanding
>>>>> voting rights and strengthening unions have been shown to lead to greater
>>>>> civic participation and fairer wages, promoting equality across society. The
>>>>> focus is on policies that create a healthier, fairer, and more just society
>>>>> for all.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think the right wing has to offer?
>>>
>>> You have no answer for this.
>
>I think we can safely say you have folded.

He always does. Instead of a logical or analytical response in debate, he
offers some emotional distraction or non sequitur that amounts to pulling his
pants up and going home.

>You see evidence and run. Not an
>interesting conversation for me. Remember, unlike you I tend to focus on
>evidence and logic and equal rights over your tendency to go with feelings.

That is characteristic of today's right. The GOP has cultivated voters who
operate on emotions but this is costing them voters who operate on data.

Trump has been rejected once. In a couple of weeks, America will again vote for
the left and right paths.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:53:18 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 10/18/24 1:41 PM, Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>> 10/08/2018:  $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>> 10/07/2024:  $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>
>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>> of a demoturd.
>>
>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>> grossly under-represented.
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-
>> biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>
>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden — 13 times faster than
>> previous 7 years: analysis
>>
>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>
>Fox lied to you.
>
>They lied because a +52% increase from $2.392/gal (week ending 1/25/21)
>is equal to $3.638/gal, whereas prices are roughly 50 cents/gal lower,
>namely either $3.136 to $3.171, depending on if Fox published as per EAI
>week ending 10/07/24 or 10/14/24.
>
>And you don't need to believe me: go check the cite & math yourself:
>
><https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>

The prices on the graph are in nominal, not adjusted dollars. I note some
interesting items.

1) Gasoline prices remained flat throughout the Clinton Administration.
2) Immediately George Bush became President, gas prices rose sharply achieving
record peak highs.
3) In 2008 gas prices crashed along with the economy.
4) Through 2015, as the economy healed, gas prices went back up although not
quite as high is their Bush era peak.
5) In 2015, gas crashed and again in early 2016.
5) Immediately Donald Trump became President, gas prices rose again.
6) Following the pandemic price crash, gas reached it's new peak but quickly
declined to it's healthy economy average and continues to fall.

As noted above, gas is actually cheaper now in inflation adjusted dollars than
it was under Trump.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On 18 Oct 2024 19:27:40 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:24:15?PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
><6712b5aa$1$2756$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> In article <veuaqu$3cf08$1@dont-email.me>,
>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>
>>> On 10/18/24 1:41 PM, Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>>>
>>>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>>>> of a demoturd.
>>>>
>>>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>>>> grossly under-represented.
>>>>
>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-
>>>> biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>>>
>>>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than
>>>> previous 7 years: analysis
>>>>
>>>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>>>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>>>
>>> Fox lied to you.
>>>
>>> They lied because a +52% increase from $2.392/gal (week ending 1/25/21)
>>> is equal to $3.638/gal, whereas prices are roughly 50 cents/gal lower,
>>> namely either $3.136 to $3.171, depending on if Fox published as per EAI
>>> week ending 10/07/24 or 10/14/24.
>>>
>>> And you don't need to believe me: go check the cite & math yourself:
>>>
>>> <https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>> Do you always respond to yourself? Seeking attention?
>
>Why do you respond to facts you do not like but with nastiness instead of
>staying on topic?

Because he's an asshole.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:38:36 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <6712b6ac$1$3068676$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:24:15 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6712b5aa$1$2756$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>> > In article <veuaqu$3cf08$1@dont-email.me>,
>> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On 10/18/24 1:41 PM, Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>> >>> -hh wrote:
>> >>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>> >>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>> >>>
>> >>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>> >>> of a demoturd.
>> >>>
>> >>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>> >>> grossly under-represented.
>> >>>
>> >>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-
>> >>> biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>> >>>
>> >>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than
>> >>> previous 7 years: analysis
>> >>>
>> >>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>> >>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>> >>
>> >> Fox lied to you.
>> >>
>> >> They lied because a +52% increase from $2.392/gal (week ending 1/25/21)
>> >> is equal to $3.638/gal, whereas prices are roughly 50 cents/gal lower,
>> >> namely either $3.136 to $3.171, depending on if Fox published as per EAI
>> >> week ending 10/07/24 or 10/14/24.
>> >>
>> >> And you don't need to believe me: go check the cite & math yourself:
>> >>
>> >> <https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -hh
>> >
>> > Do you always respond to yourself? Seeking attention?
>>
>> Why do you respond to facts you do not like but with nastiness instead of
>> staying on topic?
>
>Answer the question coward.

Another memorized hate line?

Try asking a question relevant to the topic and conversation.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On 18 Oct 2024 19:26:11 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:41:14?AM MST, "Pierre Delecto Romney" wrote
><veu6js$3ddiq$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> -hh wrote:
>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>
>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>> of a demoturd.
>>
>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>> grossly under-represented.
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>
>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden — 13 times faster than
>> previous 7 years: analysis
>>
>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>
>The pandemic reduced demand. That reduced prices. Capitalism.
>
>Add to that the war in Ukraine has impacted MANY prices.

For example, bread, other grain based and oily foods (as well as animal feeds)
rose sharply because so much of Ukraine's grain, soybean and sunflower oil was
removed from global markets.

Now that Ukraine is actually exporting more than before the war, why have those
prices not gone back down?

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

Sam Elliott Obama's Girlfriend <neverdeployed.lik@tim.walz> wrote in
news:vever9$pljh$15@news.mixmin.net:

> Pelosi and Cheney attacked the constitution, not Trump.
>
>
So tRump saying he wanted to "terminate" the Constitution was not an attack
on that Constitution?!!!

In article <vf0gli$2pq8t$23@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Sam Elliott Obama's Girlfriend <neverdeployed.lik@tim.walz> wrote in
> news:vever9$pljh$15@news.mixmin.net:
>
>
> > Pelosi and Cheney attacked the constitution, not Trump.
> >
> >
> So tRump saying he wanted to "terminate" the Constitution was not an attack
> on that Constitution?!!!

He never said that. You do try, you fail but at least you try.

On 18 Oct 2024 20:36:31 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:30:24?PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
><6712c561$1$3620714$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> In article <6712baa2$1$3834$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:39:27 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>> <6712b96f$0$1895490$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> In article <6712b653$1$3826$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:41:14 AM MST, "Pierre Delecto Romney" wrote
>>>>> <veu6js$3ddiq$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>>>>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>>>>>> of a demoturd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>>>>>> grossly under-represented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than
>>>>>> previous 7 years: analysis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>>>>>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pandemic reduced demand. That reduced prices. Capitalism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Add to that the war in Ukraine has impacted MANY prices.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. What is the excuse for todays prices?
>>>>
>>>> DRILL BABY DRILL
>>>
>>> Gas prices are currently high for several reasons. First, as economies bounce
>>> back from COVID-19, demand for oil has surged, while OPEC+ manages supply by
>>> sometimes restricting production, keeping prices elevated. Geopolitical
>>> tensions also play a role; the war in Ukraine has disrupted energy markets,
>>> especially with sanctions on Russia impacting global supply, and instability
>>> in other oil-producing regions adds to these concerns. Additionally, rising
>>> costs across various sectors, including transportation and labor, contribute
>>> to higher gas prices, as overall inflation affects energy costs. Seasonal
>>> maintenance or unplanned outages at refineries can limit gasoline production,
>>> further tightening supplies and increasing prices. The summer driving season
>>> also drives up demand as more travelers hit the road. Market speculation about
>>> future oil supply and demand can lead to price increases as investors react to
>>> these perceptions.
>>
>> Whatever.
>
>You do not care about the facts.
>
>> Now explain food prices.
>
>Food prices are spiking for a bunch of reasons. First off, the pandemic really
>messed up supply chains, making it more expensive and difficult to get food to
>stores. Then you’ve got inflation pushing up the costs of production and
>transportation. Extreme weather, like droughts and floods, has also hit crop
>yields hard, and a lot of this can be tied to man-made climate change – which
>Republican policies, resisting environmental regulations, just make worse. On
>top of that, the war in Ukraine is messing with global markets for essentials
>like wheat and sunflower oil.

Trump's tariff war against China has also disrupted global prices on grain and
especially soy beans.

>But there’s also a labor shortage hitting the farming and food industries. A
>big part of this is tied to Trump’s focus on cutting back immigration, which
>reduced the available workforce for jobs like farm labor and food processing.
>Fewer workers mean higher costs, and that all adds up, making food prices
>climb even more.

That problem has solved itself with the influx of so many across the border. We
don't hear so much about farms unable to get in the harvests as we did three or
four years ago.

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 19 days.

50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world.
But his campaign chair was convicted of multiple crimes.
So was one of his closest associates. His deputy campaign
chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of
his business campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and
one of his campaign fundraisers. They all committed crimes and
Trump pardoned most of them!

51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he
appointed more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his
administration than any administration in history.

52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
Top Secret clearance after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.

53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office
where Trump revealed top secret intelligence.

54) Trump promised that the average American family would see
a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
big corporations. Well, how did that work out? Did you get a
$4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!

On Oct 19, 2024 at 9:03:49 AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<pul7hjpkklvmspmqbofk04mslsvn696goq@4ax.com>:

> On 18 Oct 2024 20:36:31 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:30:24?PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6712c561$1$3620714$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <6712baa2$1$3834$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:39:27 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>> <6712b96f$0$1895490$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <6712b653$1$3826$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:41:14 AM MST, "Pierre Delecto Romney" wrote
>>>>>> <veu6js$3ddiq$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>>>>>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>>>>>>> of a demoturd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>>>>>>> grossly under-represented.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than
>>>>>>> previous 7 years: analysis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>>>>>>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pandemic reduced demand. That reduced prices. Capitalism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Add to that the war in Ukraine has impacted MANY prices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. What is the excuse for todays prices?
>>>>>
>>>>> DRILL BABY DRILL
>>>>
>>>> Gas prices are currently high for several reasons. First, as economies bounce
>>>> back from COVID-19, demand for oil has surged, while OPEC+ manages supply by
>>>> sometimes restricting production, keeping prices elevated. Geopolitical
>>>> tensions also play a role; the war in Ukraine has disrupted energy markets,
>>>> especially with sanctions on Russia impacting global supply, and instability
>>>> in other oil-producing regions adds to these concerns. Additionally, rising
>>>> costs across various sectors, including transportation and labor, contribute
>>>> to higher gas prices, as overall inflation affects energy costs. Seasonal
>>>> maintenance or unplanned outages at refineries can limit gasoline production,
>>>> further tightening supplies and increasing prices. The summer driving season
>>>> also drives up demand as more travelers hit the road. Market speculation about
>>>> future oil supply and demand can lead to price increases as investors react to
>>>> these perceptions.
>>>
>>> Whatever.
>>
>> You do not care about the facts.
>>
>>> Now explain food prices.
>>
>> Food prices are spiking for a bunch of reasons. First off, the pandemic really
>> messed up supply chains, making it more expensive and difficult to get food to
>> stores. Then you’ve got inflation pushing up the costs of production and
>> transportation. Extreme weather, like droughts and floods, has also hit crop
>> yields hard, and a lot of this can be tied to man-made climate change – which
>> Republican policies, resisting environmental regulations, just make worse. On
>> top of that, the war in Ukraine is messing with global markets for essentials
>> like wheat and sunflower oil.
>
> Trump's tariff war against China has also disrupted global prices on grain and
> especially soy beans.

Good point. I should have included that.
>
>> But there’s also a labor shortage hitting the farming and food industries. A
>> big part of this is tied to Trump’s focus on cutting back immigration, which
>> reduced the available workforce for jobs like farm labor and food processing.
>> Fewer workers mean higher costs, and that all adds up, making food prices
>> climb even more.
>
> That problem has solved itself with the influx of so many across the border.
> We
> don't hear so much about farms unable to get in the harvests as we did three or
> four years ago.

I have not kept up with that, but for some time fields were going bad because
nobody would pick them.

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On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:18:36 AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<jcj7hjh63i132a40meivo6408nct8u9r9s@4ax.com>:

> On 18 Oct 2024 21:46:15 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wish we had something closer to equal representation. With the Senate and
>> the Electoral College we are FAR from that. Even the House is pretty far from
>> it. I think the US would be MUCH better off if we had one adult citizen = one
>> vote, and each vote counted the same.
>
> Pure democracy? That would be untenable in a nation of more than 300,000,000
> citizens.

Oh, we would still have representatives... but something closer to equal
representation. Not the nonsense now where some people have 20x the
representational power of others.

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On Oct 19, 2024 at 9:00:34 AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<mol7hjtis73ak8galk33pj9i36e25fq9a7@4ax.com>:

> On 18 Oct 2024 19:26:11 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:41:14?AM MST, "Pierre Delecto Romney" wrote
>> <veu6js$3ddiq$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> 10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
>>>> 10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
>>>
>>> They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
>>> of a demoturd.
>>>
>>> And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
>>> grossly under-represented.
>>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
>>>
>>> Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden — 13 times faster than
>>> previous 7 years: analysis
>>>
>>> And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
>>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
>>
>> The pandemic reduced demand. That reduced prices. Capitalism.
>>
>> Add to that the war in Ukraine has impacted MANY prices.
>
> For example, bread, other grain based and oily foods (as well as animal feeds)
> rose sharply because so much of Ukraine's grain, soybean and sunflower oil was
> removed from global markets.
>
> Now that Ukraine is actually exporting more than before the war, why have those
> prices not gone back down?

I did not know they were back to doing major exporting. Have a good source?

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