Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Pull my finger dude.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Ed P wrote:
> On 10/2/2024 6:29 AM, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote:
>> Governor Swill wrote:
>>> Now, answer this:  What is the final effective tax rate of the top 1%?
>>
>> The biggest problem we have is the Democrats giving away free stuff in
>> exchange for a vote. Should be illegal, not that the Democrats follow
>> the law.
>
>
> Yes, like Trump made an offer to the oil execs for votes and tax relief
> for the wealthy for votes.  It should be illegal!

Cite the precise terms of that offer.

You can't because you LIE, or just repeat MSM talking points with no
concern for accuracy.

It's who YOU are, fascist leftard.

--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

Ed P wrote:

> Interesting numbers but they don't tell the whole story.
>
> Should a widow living on $800 a month SS pay more so the top 1% can pay
> less?

The disparity in revenues in question is so extreme that none of that
demographic can impact the truly rich or their "share" in the slightest.

You know this Edie P, you lying leftard trash.

> Should the top 1% give more of their corporate profits to workers in
> higher wages so they can pay more taxes?

Should you or I determine the age scale and benefits for any viable free
market business?

You marxist toadie.

> Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, earns around $7.99 million per hour.
> This is based on his net worth increasing by $70 billion in 2023, from
> $107 billion to $177 billion. Bezos's wealth growth is largely due to
> the value of Amazon stock, which he owns around 9% of.

And so?

He built a major supply chain monster!

Try not to act like the jealous old sot you are.

> How Much Does Elon Musk Make an Hour. The quick answer—Elon Musk makes
> around $1.6 million per hour. This is based on his net worth that rose
> by $143.9 billion in the past decade until early 2023. That's 220,690
> times the federal minimum wage

And both men are supporting the only viable space program we have now
that Obama killed off NASA, oh well...

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/322918-how-barack-obama-ruined-nasa-space-exploration/

it is useful to look back on how profoundly and adroitly President
Barack Obama crippled the space agency’s efforts to send astronauts
beyond low Earth orbit. When Obama came into office, he did what a
number of other presidents have done to determine their goals for NASA:
he formed a presidential commission to study the space agency and come
up with some recommendations.

The Augustine Commission, so named after its chairman former Lockheed
Martin CEO Norm Augustine, returned with a set of recommendations some
months later. The commission found that the program then in existence,
Project Constellation, was not executable under any reasonable budget.
The program, started by President George W. Bush, had been underfunded
and had faced technical challenges for years. The commissions offered
two alternatives. The first was Moon First, which would have focused
America’s efforts on a return to the moon. The second was Flexible Path,
which would have sent American astronauts to every destination besides
the moon—the asteroids, the moons of Mars, and so on. Both options would
lead to the holy grail of space exploration enthusiasts, a mission to Mars.

The kicker was that both options would cost an extra $3 billion a year
for NASA to execute. For the Obama administration, which was not shy
about spending money in areas that it cared about, this price tag was
too dear to bear.

The government’s response was formulated in secret. The results of these
private deliberations were rolled out in the 2011 budget request that
was released in February 2010. Project Constellation would be canceled,
root and branch. Instead, NASA would conduct studies of heavy-lift
rockets, deep-space propulsion, and other technologies that it was said,
in the fullness of time, would make exploring space cheaper and easier.

Congress, which had not been consulted, reacted with bipartisan fury.
The Obama administration made two critical errors. It had not consulted
with Congress or anyone else when it developed its plans to kill
Constellation. The White House also blatantly pulled a bureaucratic
dodge that was apparent even to a first-term member of the House from
the sticks. To kill a popular program, one studies it to death. Nowhere
in the Obama plan was there a commitment to send astronauts anywhere.
Clearly, the White House had no intention of doing space exploration.
President Obama had expressed an antipathy to American exceptionalism,
and nothing speaks to that quality than American astronauts exploring
other worlds.

When Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon, Gene Cernan, the last
man on the Moon, and Jim Lovell, the hero of Apollo 13, sent an open
letter condemning the cancellation of Constellation, President Obama
knew he had a problem on his hands. So, with Apollo astronaut Buzz
Aldrin in tow as a political prop, Obama went down to the Kennedy Space
Center to make his big space announcement. We would go to Mars, sometime
in the next 30 years and visit an Earth-approaching asteroid before
that. We would not go back to the moon because we had already been there.

--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

Governor Swill wrote:
> And we should take your word for it ... why?

THIS v v v v

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 08:03:13 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

>On 10/1/2024 4:18 PM, Ed P wrote:
>> On 10/1/2024 2:02 PM, Yak wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes.  We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>>> all our
>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>
>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>
>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>
>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Red herring.
>>>
>>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>
>>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>
>>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>
>>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting numbers but they don't tell the whole story.
>
>They tell the story that needs to be told.

No actually, they don't.

>> Should a widow living on $800 a month SS pay more so the top 1% can pay
>> less?
>
>False premise.

It's not a premise, it's a question. Did you get past third grade?

>> Should the top 1% give more of their corporate profits to workers in
>> higher wages so they can pay more taxes?
>
>Maybe, maybe not. Wages should be a voluntary agreement between
>employers and employees.

It's good that you expect collective bargaining.

>> Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, earns around $7.99 million per hour.
>> This is based on his net worth increasing by $70 billion in 2023, from
>> $107 billion to $177 billion. Bezos's wealth growth is largely due to
>> the value of Amazon stock, which he owns around 9% of.
>
>Irrelevant. They're called *income taxes* not wealth taxes. Start a new
>thread if you care to discuss that.

I guess it didn't occur to you that increasing wealth would be due to INCOME.

>> How Much Does Elon Musk Make an Hour. The quick answer—Elon Musk makes
>> around $1.6 million per hour. This is based on his net worth that rose
>> by $143.9 billion in the past decade until early 2023. That's 220,690
>> times the federal minimum wage
>
>See above.

See what? That the nobility should be tax exempt? That was one of the economic
conditions that led to the French Revolution.

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23) Trump sparked international outrage by moving the
American Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv while
closing the U.S.' Palestine office.

24) Trump tasked his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
with drafting a potential Middle East peace plan
with zero Palestinian input.

On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 06:29:54 -0400, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing
<kim@roof-wisperer.guv> wrote:

>Governor Swill wrote:
>> Now, answer this: What is the final effective tax rate of the top 1%?
>
>The biggest problem we have is the Democrats giving away free stuff in
>exchange for a vote. Should be illegal, not that the Democrats follow
>the law.

You mean like free prescription drugs? (Bush)
Free cell phones? (also Bush)

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23) Trump sparked international outrage by moving the
American Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv while
closing the U.S.' Palestine office.

24) Trump tasked his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
with drafting a potential Middle East peace plan
with zero Palestinian input.

On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 08:05:15 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

>On 10/2/2024 3:18 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes.  We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will all
>>>>> our
>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>
>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>
>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>
>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Red herring.
>>>
>>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>
>>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>
>>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>
>>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>
>>
>> And we should take your word for it ... why?
>
>Wait, you don't believe the numbers from your lords and masters at the IRS?
>
>> Now, answer this: What is the final effective tax rate of the top 1%?
>
>26%. (3.3% for the bottom 50%).
>

How are they paying less than the top tax bracket?

--

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 35 days.

23) Trump sparked international outrage by moving the
American Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv while
closing the U.S.' Palestine office.

24) Trump tasked his son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
with drafting a potential Middle East peace plan
with zero Palestinian input.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vdf2po$2c69h$2@dont-email.me...
> On 9/30/24 1:18 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>> news:vdedad$29778$1@dont-email.me...
>>> me too <not@kamala.dunce> wrote in news:vddela$14gjp$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>
>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>
>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>
>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>> first.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And yet they haven't been paying their taxes,
>>
>> They why aren't they being arrested for tax evasion?
>
> It isn't necessarily a criminal act requiring incarceration.

26USC7201

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:3mpnfj1seceh5p08387tbf88qt7rmpad24@4ax.com...
> Scout wrote:
>
>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater percentage of
>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>
>>Cite
>
> Come on. Surely, you are aware of Trump paying no income taxes for 18
> fscking years. That ain't right.

Did he legally owe any income taxes?

If he had no taxable income.. then why would he pay taxes on it?

Oh, and before you ask, yes, everyone has some non-taxable income assuming
you have any income.

"Ed P" <esp@snet.n> wrote in message news:vdentf$2atfe$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/30/2024 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>
>>> me too <not@kamala.dunce> wrote in news:vddela$14gjp$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>
>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>
>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>
>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>> first.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And yet they haven't been paying their taxes
>>
>> Bullshit. The rich pay most of the taxes.
>
>
> They should pay the largest portion as they have the largest portion of
> the money

But having is not the same thing as taxable income.

If I have no income, how can I pay income tax on that no matter how much
money I might have?

Even if I have an income, as long as the income is non-taxable income... why
should I pay tax on it?

If you aren't filling out a 1040 then you are probably paying more in tax
than you need to.

"Ed P" <esp@snet.n> wrote in message news:vdetth$2bu0t$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/30/2024 2:18 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> [Default] Ed P <esp@snet.n> typed:
>>
>>> On 9/30/2024 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> me too <not@kamala.dunce> wrote in
>>>>> news:vddela$14gjp$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet they haven't been paying their taxes
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. The rich pay most of the taxes.
>>>
>>>
>>> They should pay the largest portion as they have the largest portion of
>>> the money
>>
>> No. Everyone should pay the same.
>
> Correct. You are not interpreting that correctly.
>
> If I make $10,000 and pay $100 in taxes do you think a billionaire should
> pay the same $100?

Why should he have to pay more just because you're lazy?

>
> No, but they should be paying the same percentage.

Sounds good.. that means if you make $1 in a year then you should pay a
penny in income tax.. right?

"Chris Ahlstrom" <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in message
news:vdf07d$2c37m$1@dont-email.me...
> Ed P wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 9/30/2024 2:18 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> [Default] Ed P <esp@snet.n> typed:
>>>
>>>> On 9/30/2024 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> me too <not@kamala.dunce> wrote in
>>>>>> news:vddela$14gjp$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet they haven't been paying their taxes
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. The rich pay most of the taxes.
>>>>
>>>> They should pay the largest portion as they have the largest portion of
>>>> the money
>>>
>>> No. Everyone should pay the same.
>>
>> Correct. You are not interpreting that correctly.
>>
>> If I make $10,000 and pay $100 in taxes do you think a billionaire
>> should pay the same $100?
>>
>> No, but they should be paying the same percentage. They have more
>> money, this they pay more in whole dollars but are paying less as a
>> percentage of their income.
>
> They get to hide a lot of income in various tax shelters.

Well, shit, who would ever have thought that people would use the law to
their benefit.

So, question, why aren't you doing the same?

Do you like paying more tax than necessary?

For someone complaining they are paying too much in tax.. I would think you
would be motivated to see how to reduce that.

On 10/2/2024 11:06 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 08:03:13 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/2024 4:18 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2024 2:02 PM, Yak wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes.  We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>>>> all our
>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>
>>>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>
>>>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>>
>>>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting numbers but they don't tell the whole story.
>>
>> They tell the story that needs to be told.
>
> No actually, they don't.

Yeah, it actually does.

>>> Should a widow living on $800 a month SS pay more so the top 1% can pay
>>> less?
>>
>> False premise.
>
> It's not a premise, it's a question. Did you get past third grade?

Sure is. The false premise being that a widow living on $800 a month is
paying more so the top 1% can pay less.

>>> Should the top 1% give more of their corporate profits to workers in
>>> higher wages so they can pay more taxes?
>>
>> Maybe, maybe not. Wages should be a voluntary agreement between
>> employers and employees.
>
> It's good that you expect collective bargaining.

Yeah...and?

>>> Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, earns around $7.99 million per hour.
>>> This is based on his net worth increasing by $70 billion in 2023, from
>>> $107 billion to $177 billion. Bezos's wealth growth is largely due to
>>> the value of Amazon stock, which he owns around 9% of.
>>
>> Irrelevant. They're called *income taxes* not wealth taxes. Start a new
>> thread if you care to discuss that.
>
> I guess it didn't occur to you that increasing wealth would be due to INCOME.

I guess it didn't occur to you that it's not always true. Consider your
401k. Your wealth is increasing due to rising stock valuations, not income.

>>> How Much Does Elon Musk Make an Hour. The quick answer—Elon Musk makes
>>> around $1.6 million per hour. This is based on his net worth that rose
>>> by $143.9 billion in the past decade until early 2023. That's 220,690
>>> times the federal minimum wage
>>
>> See above.
>
> See what?

Above. Can't you read?

>That the nobility should be tax exempt? That was one of the economic
> conditions that led to the French Revolution.
>

"Ed P" <esp@snet.n> wrote in message news:vdfbvr$2dt6d$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/30/2024 6:11 PM, Allen wrote:
>
>>
>> That's political word salad and laughably correct since many
>> billionaires don't get a paycheck like the working class. They, like
>> all business owners, take draws which are not taxed because it's
>> considered removal of profits and not personal income. Ever think that
>> through?
>
> It is still income

But not TAXABLE income.

But tell me. if your home appreciates in value should you have to pay some
portion of that income to the government?

What about stock? Should price increases count as income?

If the stock crashes, or your house burns down 3 years later do you get a
refund?

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vdeq57$2bbfi$2@dont-email.me...
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> news:vdeh4t$29ret$3@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> "Frank" <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in message
>> news:vde0gd$274ne$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 9/30/2024 4:40 AM, T wrote:
>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>
>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>> paying.
>>>>
>>>> This is just Fascist/Communist envy politics.
>>>>
>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you
>>>>> are.
>>>>>
>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after
>>>>> us first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And does the public realize that ultimately business
>>>> taxes are passed on to their customer? It is a way
>>>> of taxing the populace without it appearing on their
>>>> tax bill.
>>>
>>> It is simple, increase corporate tax and corporations take business
>>> and profits off shore where taxes are less.
>>
>> Yes, when corporate taxes are high enough to make the expense of such
>> a move worth it, they will.
>>
> Yet when taxes were high (93%) those corporations stayed here and
> invested in the US. It's when the taxes were lowered that they quit here
> and went to other countries.

Yep, because the effective rate was much lower under the 93% than it was
later.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vdfmrq$2itiv$4@dont-email.me...
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vdfg7b$2e575$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 9/30/24 11:20, Baxter wrote:
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>> news:vdeh4t$29ret$3@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Frank" <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:vde0gd$274ne$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 9/30/2024 4:40 AM, T wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is just Fascist/Communist envy politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you
>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after
>>>>>>> us first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And does the public realize that ultimately business
>>>>>> taxes are passed on to their customer? It is a way
>>>>>> of taxing the populace without it appearing on their
>>>>>> tax bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is simple, increase corporate tax and corporations take business
>>>>> and profits off shore where taxes are less.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, when corporate taxes are high enough to make the expense of
>>>> such a move worth it, they will.
>>>>
>>> Yet when taxes were high (93%) those corporations stayed here and
>>> invested in the US. It's when the taxes were lowered that they quit
>>> here and went to other countries.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You are forgetting that they had loop holes out the wazoo.
>> They did not pay that much actual taxes.
>
> I'm not forgetting that. Those "loopholes" are what actually kept them
> here and investing in the US

And yet.. see what happened when you closed the loopholes.. they left and
you lost ALL the tax from them.

You don't suppose the rich would do the same, if push came to shove?

>> When the loop
>> holes were plugged and the taxes lowered, they were
>> actually paying more taxes than under the 90+% rate.
>> So yes, of course, they moved.
>
> Nope. The lower the taxes, the less they gained from "loopholes" and the
> more money they had to move operations to other countries.

Except that many of those loopholes no longer existed at all, thus
increasing their effective tax rate.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>
>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>> paying.
>>>>
>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater percentage of
>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>
>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>
>
> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>
> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of income", which
> is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.

Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.

Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire or a beggar
on the street.

if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is taxed. From
cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock value increases,
property and real estate. If you can't afford the tax you will have to
liquidate assets to pay it. If the value declines later.. you don't get a
refund.

Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making it unfair?

"T" <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:vdfrj8$2e575$6@dont-email.me...
> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater percentage
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>
>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>>
>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of income",
>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>
>> That's fair
>>
>
>
> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???

What difference does that make?

Are you suggesting one should pay less than the other?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>[Default] T <T@invalid.invalid> typed:
>>>On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>
>>>> That's fair
>>>
>>>Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>
>>What's budget got to do with it, dumb ass?
>>
>>It's FAIR that BOTH pay the same price for the steak
>
>
> The only way it's "fair" is if you compare the accessibility and
> prices of fast food burgers, such as McD's McDouble, it provides a way
> to get beef but you sacrifice choice and quality.

Why should anyone have to sacrifice choice and quality????

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:foqnfjlpdvvq7ajrapilrudl4b3pvj92et@4ax.com...
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>>[Default] T <T@invalid.invalid> typed:
>>>>>On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>>
>>>>What's budget got to do with it, dumb ass?
>>>>
>>>>It's FAIR that BOTH pay the same price for the steak
>>>
>>>The only way it's "fair" is
>>
>>It's fair. The opinions of the mentally ill don't count here.
>
>
> You're a white piece of shit

So are you, but you don't hear him saying that.

>, cracker.

And Joel turns out to be a racist as well.

> Redneck

And a bigot

> greasy oinking pig.

and Zoomorphism

> Devil race of Satan.

and religious intolerance.

Amazing how intolerant Joel is about others... but question HIS actions and
he gets mad.

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
in message
news:v0bofj1anim10pq3pcvuo61vst5rl7on4j@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>
>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>[Default] T <T@invalid.invalid> typed:
>>>>>>On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>>>
>>>>>What's budget got to do with it, dumb ass?
>>>>>
>>>>>It's FAIR that BOTH pay the same price for the steak
>>>>
>>>>The only way it's "fair" is
>>>
>>>It's fair. The opinions of the mentally ill don't count here.
>>
>>
>>You're a white piece of shit, cracker. Redneck greasy oinking pig.
>>Devil race of Satan.
>
> ROFLMAO
>
> Looks like poor Joel eats a lot of hamburger, when he's not eating his
> "girlfriend's" sausage.

He probably wishes he could have a hamburger.. instead of sucking his
sustenance from his partner's 'sausage'.

"T" <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 10/1/24 03:27, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> [Default] T <T@invalid.invalid> typed:
>>
>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of income",
>>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>
>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>
>>>> That's fair
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>
>> What's budget got to do with it, dumb ass?
>>
>> It's FAIR that BOTH pay the same price for the steak
>
>
> You misread me. I was criticizing the "equality of outcome" crowd.

Was there equality in input? If not how can you expect the same outcome?

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vdhvsj$2tpsd$5@dont-email.me...
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vdhuh5$2tick$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 10/1/24 03:27, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> [Default] T <T@invalid.invalid> typed:
>>>
>>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>> [Default]Â Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>> percentage of their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>> income", which is very consistent with how this topic is
>>>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor
>>>>> person buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of
>>>>> them $15
>>>>>
>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>
>>> What's budget got to do with it, dumb ass?
>>>
>>> It's FAIR that BOTH pay the same price for the steak
>>
>>
>> You misread me. I was criticizing the "equality of outcome" crowd.
>>
>
> If you think a Flat Tax is fair, then we should price EVERYTHING on
> percentage of income too - that would only be fair.

Why? Everyone pays the same tax rate, everyone pays the same price for what
they buy.

However, if you think paying a percentage of your income is unfair.

I propose we go with Baxter's point and impose a flat tax.

Everyone paying $21,000 per year in taxes.. those who can't pay will be
punished, evicted from the country or otherwise dealt with.
Any government assistance must be given to all or none.

There.. now it's perfectly fair. Happy????

Somehow. I doubt it, but then liberals are often short sighted in their
demands.

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
in message
news:tt0pfjtdeccaso9c06c4mbrf8b6d9rkfbn@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>
>>T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vdhuh5$2tick$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 10/1/24 03:27, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> [Default] T <T@invalid.invalid> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [Default]Â Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>> percentage of their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>> income", which is very consistent with how this topic is
>>>>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor
>>>>>> person buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of
>>>>>> them $15
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>>
>>>> What's budget got to do with it, dumb ass?
>>>>
>>>> It's FAIR that BOTH pay the same price for the steak
>>>
>>>
>>> You misread me. I was criticizing the "equality of outcome" crowd.
>>>
>>
>>If you think a Flat Tax is fair, then we should price EVERYTHING on
>>percentage of income too - that would only be fair.
>
> No, you don't know what "fair" means.

See my response to his notion of fairness....

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vdh1oc$2oslb$1@dont-email.me...
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vdfrj8$2e575$6@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> [Default]Â Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>> percentage of their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>> point.
>>>>>
>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>> income", which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>>
>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>
>>> That's fair
>>>
>>
>>
>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>
>
> A rich person buys Wagyu beef for $800/pound, a poor person buys hamburger
> at $3/pound - a poor person doesn't eat steak.

And if the rich person wants a hamburger he buys hamburger at $3/pound

Sounds fair to me.