On 9/12/2024 9:46 PM, Ed P wrote:
> Never paid for it.  Had a wonderful wife for 53 years.  Had
> opportunities to pay but to me, that is a turn off.

Secular thinking - note the lack of an actual moral compass as a
decision tool, just a brief "turnoff" disclaimer.

This is why America is failing.

On 9/13/2024 8:01 AM, Ed P wrote:
> Back to my original premise.  Wages increase 10X, real estate close to
> 20X make buying a house more difficult that it was 50 years ago.

Yes.

That is is Demotardia from Tampon Tim and Heels Up Harris to a T!

On 9/13/2024 7:04 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 23:46:59 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>
>> On 9/12/2024 11:40 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 15:54:34 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/12/2024 2:46 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>>>>> In article <9qa6ej5hf339h16639n7c9ub85p7vg59f5@4ax.com>,
>>>>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know that if you are married and your spouse has never worked
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't consider cleaning your house, doing your laundry, cooking your meals
>>>>>> and raising your kids to be work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How much would it cost you to hire those services out to paid contractors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> By your outlook she would be slave labor which is illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>> To get her to SS you would have to pay her out of your wages and give
>>>>> the government about 6 % of that and another percentage for regular
>>>>> state and federal taxes and she would have to give the government 6 %
>>>>> to SS which is not being done.
>>>>
>>>> Just to toss out a number, for house cleaning and folding the laundry (I
>>>> do the wash) I pay $280 a month. Lawn care $100.
>>>>
>>>> I do my own shopping and cooking.
>>>
>>> How much you pay for good lovin'?
>>>
>> Never paid for it. Had a wonderful wife for 53 years. Had
>> opportunities to pay but to me, that is a turn off.
>
> We're talking about how much it cost to replace a wife.
>
> How much would the hookers have cost you for all the whoopee you got from her?
>
> So far you seem to have discounted raising your kids as being worth nothing.
>

Raising kids is not a financial undertaking, though there is much cost
to it. I don't attach monetary value to things done for personal
satisfaction and love.

On 9/13/2024 8:20 AM, Ed P wrote:
> On 9/13/2024 7:04 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 23:46:59 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/12/2024 11:40 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 15:54:34 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/12/2024 2:46 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>>>>>> In article <9qa6ej5hf339h16639n7c9ub85p7vg59f5@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you know that if you are married and your spouse has never
>>>>>>>> worked
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't consider cleaning your house, doing your laundry,
>>>>>>> cooking your meals
>>>>>>> and raising your kids to be work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How much would it cost you to hire those services out to paid
>>>>>>> contractors?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By your outlook she would be slave labor which is illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To get her to SS you would have to pay her out of your wages and give
>>>>>> the government about 6 % of that and another percentage for regular
>>>>>> state and federal taxes and she would have to give the government
>>>>>> 6 %
>>>>>> to SS which is not being done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to toss out a number, for house cleaning and folding the
>>>>> laundry (I
>>>>> do the wash) I pay $280 a month.  Lawn care $100.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do my own shopping and cooking.
>>>>
>>>> How much you pay for good lovin'?
>>>>
>>> Never paid for it.  Had a wonderful wife for 53 years.  Had
>>> opportunities to pay but to me, that is a turn off.
>>
>> We're talking about how much it cost to replace a wife.
>>
>> How much would the hookers have cost you for all the whoopee you got
>> from her?
>>
>> So far you seem to have discounted raising your kids as being worth
>> nothing.
>>
>
> Raising kids is not a financial undertaking,

You are a true moron.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/090415/cost-raising-child-america.asp

Raising a child can be an emotionally rewarding experience. But it can
also be very costly. Statistics from the Brookings Institution, an
economic think tank, show that the average middle-income family with two
children will spend $310,605 to raise a child born in 2015 up to age 17
in 2032.

This number represents a significant jump from the figure published by
the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), which estimated the overall
cost to be $233,610 in 2017.

Key Takeaways
Middle-income parents will spend an average of $310,605 for a child born
in 2015 until they turn 17 in 2032.
The greatest expense associated with raising a child is housing.
The cost of childcare varies widely and depends on where a family lives.

Housing: 33% of Income
An expense associated with the cost of raising children is housing. This
can easily make up a sizable chunk of a parent’s budget, especially when
you factor in mortgage or rent payments, taxes, insurance, repairs,
utilities, maintenance, and household goods.

According to Consumer Expenditures Data for 2022 (the latest available),
the typical household spends $24,298 on housing per year.
3 Meanwhile, U.S. Census Bureau data shows that the median household
income in the United States was $74,580 in 2022 (the most recent data
available).
4

These numbers offer a broad idea of how much families pay for housing.
Costs vary depending on geographic area, type of dwelling, and family
size. Economic conditions can also influence the cost of housing for
families. Rising house prices make it more expensive for families to
purchase a home. Likewise, rising inflation can push up rental prices
and raise prices for consumer goods.

On its website the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development
lists housing assistance programs that can supplement the cost of
housing for eligible lower-income families.
Food: 25% of Income
The amount a family spends on food is based on the number of children in
the home, household income, geographic region, and preferred diet. The
USDA issues monthly reports on food costs at four levels: thrifty,
low-cost, moderate-cost, and liberal. These reports consider different
household sizes with children of different ages.

The reference family consists of a male and a female adult ages 20 to 50
and two children in the six- to eight-year-old range and the nine- to
11-year-old range. Here’s how the average food spending numbers for the
reference family add up as of July 2024:
5 6

Thrifty plan: $980.60
Low-cost plan: $1,067.60
Moderate plan: $1,321
Liberal plan: $1,595
At the low end, a family of four spends about $11,800 per year on food
at home. At the high end, they spend more than $19,000 per year on food.
That’s around 25% of their income based on the median household income
of $74,580.
4

$310,605
The total cost to raise a child born in 2015 to age 17.
1

Childcare: 7% to 23% of Income
Childcare costs can easily eat up a sizable part of parents’ budgets
each year. How much families pay can depend on the type of care needed,
the number of children who need care, and where the family lives. In
2022, costs ranged from $5,357 for school-age home-based care in small
counties to $17,171 for infant center-based care in large counties.
7

Planning for College
The essential expenses don’t account for the cost of a college
education. Higher education can add to the total for parents who help
pay for their children’s college costs. How much parents pay for college
can depend on whether the child:

Attends a two- or four-year school
Goes to a public or private university
Is charged in-state or out-of-state tuition rates (at public universities)
The average annual cost (in-state) for the 2023-2024 academic year
totals $24,030 for a public college and $56,190 for a private college.
It includes the cost of tuition, fees, and room and board.

> though there is much cost
> to it.

Ya think?!?!?

> I don't attach monetary value to things done for personal
> satisfaction and love.

You didn't own a home to raise your children in????

Sod off swampy, you lie as easily as most breathe!

In article <vc1hv0$t50s$16@dont-email.me>, sss@example.de says...
>
> The reference family consists of a male and a female adult ages 20 to 50
> and two children in the six- to eight-year-old range and the nine- to
> 11-year-old range. Here?s how the average food spending numbers for the
> reference family add up as of July 2024:
> 5
> 6
>
> Thrifty plan: $980.60
> Low-cost plan: $1,067.60
> Moderate plan: $1,321
> Liberal plan: $1,595
> At the low end, a family of four spends about $11,800 per year on food
> at home. At the high end, they spend more than $19,000 per year on food.
> That?s around 25% of their income based on the median household income
> of $74,580.
> 4
>
> $310,605
> The total cost to raise a child born in 2015 to age 17.
> 1
>

I hate the so called average when their numbes are way out of line of
the prices around here. A good paying job is only around $ 40,000 to
50,000 a year.

I wonder if that price is just for food to eat or if it includes other
things from the grocery store like toilet paper and dish washing soap.
Just the wife and I now and the needed items other than food from the
grocery store add to probably 1/3 of the cost each week.

The numbers are like saying if you put your feet in liquid nitrogen and
a blow torch on your head you are in an average temperature f 70 deg.

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:41:22 -0400, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

>In article <vc1hv0$t50s$16@dont-email.me>, sss@example.de says...
>>
>> The reference family consists of a male and a female adult ages 20 to 50
>> and two children in the six- to eight-year-old range and the nine- to
>> 11-year-old range. Here?s how the average food spending numbers for the
>> reference family add up as of July 2024:
>> 5
>> 6
>>
>> Thrifty plan: $980.60
>> Low-cost plan: $1,067.60
>> Moderate plan: $1,321
>> Liberal plan: $1,595
>> At the low end, a family of four spends about $11,800 per year on food
>> at home. At the high end, they spend more than $19,000 per year on food.
>> That?s around 25% of their income based on the median household income
>> of $74,580.
>> 4
>>
>> $310,605
>> The total cost to raise a child born in 2015 to age 17.
>> 1
>>
>
>I hate the so called average when their numbes are way out of line of
>the prices around here. A good paying job is only around $ 40,000 to
>50,000 a year.
>
>I wonder if that price is just for food to eat or if it includes other
>things from the grocery store like toilet paper and dish washing soap.
>Just the wife and I now and the needed items other than food from the
>grocery store add to probably 1/3 of the cost each week.

What about clothes? Time spent driving for chores? A thousand and one other
things a wife does for the family while her husband is "working".

>The numbers are like saying if you put your feet in liquid nitrogen and
>a blow torch on your head you are in an average temperature f 70 deg.

That's it exactly. Just like we all know it costs nothing and takes zero time
and effort to raise kids. You just hang them on hooks in the closet, stuff food
down their funnels once a day and hose them down whenever they stink.

LOL!
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:01:05 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

>
> This was in Philadelphia. My house was built in 1948, tens of
>thousands of them were built in the late 1800s and early 1900s. My
>grandmother's house did not have central heat when built. Do you think
>it would be simple to put AC in a house like that? Do they make coal
>fired AC units? I had gas heat and I did use room AC units, as did most
>of the neighbors.
>
>I think you have to get out more and see what other types of houses are
>around.
>
>Back to my original premise. Wages increase 10X, real estate close to
>20X make buying a house more difficult that it was 50 years ago.

I think you need to stop gaslighting me. First you say you didn't have AC
because you didn't need it in your region, now you say you did and so did most
of your neighbors.

You bought a late Victorian with no heat in 1966? And then you remodeled the
kitchen, put some ac units in the windows and sold it for 18x what you paid for
it?

Who originally wired it because, you know, electricity went into only the finest
homes and really not until the Edwardian years. And who plumbed it? Did you
install flush toilets? Install showers or was all that there and that house is
still using century old plumbing and wiring?

Trump told a bunch of buddies at Mar-a-lago that he's going to give them tax
cuts at the same time he's telling working people they're making too much money.
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On 9/13/2024 8:41 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <vc1hv0$t50s$16@dont-email.me>, sss@example.de says...
>>
>> The reference family consists of a male and a female adult ages 20 to 50
>> and two children in the six- to eight-year-old range and the nine- to
>> 11-year-old range. Here?s how the average food spending numbers for the
>> reference family add up as of July 2024:
>> 5
>> 6
>>
>> Thrifty plan: $980.60
>> Low-cost plan: $1,067.60
>> Moderate plan: $1,321
>> Liberal plan: $1,595
>> At the low end, a family of four spends about $11,800 per year on food
>> at home. At the high end, they spend more than $19,000 per year on food.
>> That?s around 25% of their income based on the median household income
>> of $74,580.
>> 4
>>
>> $310,605
>> The total cost to raise a child born in 2015 to age 17.
>> 1
>>
>
> I hate the so called average when their numbes are way out of line of
> the prices around here. A good paying job is only around $ 40,000 to
> 50,000 a year.
>
> I wonder if that price is just for food to eat or if it includes other
> things from the grocery store like toilet paper and dish washing soap.
> Just the wife and I now and the needed items other than food from the
> grocery store add to probably 1/3 of the cost each week.
>
> The numbers are like saying if you put your feet in liquid nitrogen and
> a blow torch on your head you are in an average temperature f 70 deg.
>
>
Right you are!

Real inflation is far higher:

https://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

https://moneymade.io/learn/article/inflation-is-higher-than-you-think

Think your savings are only losing 8% per year sitting in a bank
account? Think again. Inflation may actually be in the double digits.

PPI
The Producer Price Index (PPI) measures the domestic output of raw goods
and services.

Key details:

Latest figure: 11.0% (as of April 2022)
Frequency: Monthly
Value: Accounts for the fact that producers pass their production costs
on to retailers and consumers.

Now according to Williams’ site Shadow Government Statistics, the April
2022 inflation rate came in at jaw-dropping 16.5% as per the original CPI.

On 9/13/2024 12:02 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:01:05 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>
>>
>> This was in Philadelphia. My house was built in 1948, tens of
>> thousands of them were built in the late 1800s and early 1900s. My
>> grandmother's house did not have central heat when built. Do you think
>> it would be simple to put AC in a house like that? Do they make coal
>> fired AC units? I had gas heat and I did use room AC units, as did most
>> of the neighbors.
>>
>> I think you have to get out more and see what other types of houses are
>> around.
>>
>> Back to my original premise. Wages increase 10X, real estate close to
>> 20X make buying a house more difficult that it was 50 years ago.
>
> I think you need to stop gaslighting me. First you say you didn't have AC
> because you didn't need it in your region, now you say you did and so did most
> of your neighbors.

Yes, I put a $139 window AC in the bedroom window for a couple of
months. That is far from a $10,000 central AC system.
>
> You bought a late Victorian with no heat in 1966? And then you remodeled the
> kitchen, put some ac units in the windows and sold it for 18x what you paid for
> it?

No, I had central heat. I'm just saying that type of house is common in
older cities.

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 13:20:41 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

>On 9/13/2024 12:02 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:01:05 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This was in Philadelphia. My house was built in 1948, tens of
>>> thousands of them were built in the late 1800s and early 1900s. My
>>> grandmother's house did not have central heat when built. Do you think
>>> it would be simple to put AC in a house like that? Do they make coal
>>> fired AC units? I had gas heat and I did use room AC units, as did most
>>> of the neighbors.
>>>
>>> I think you have to get out more and see what other types of houses are
>>> around.
>>>
>>> Back to my original premise. Wages increase 10X, real estate close to
>>> 20X make buying a house more difficult that it was 50 years ago.
>>
>> I think you need to stop gaslighting me. First you say you didn't have AC
>> because you didn't need it in your region, now you say you did and so did most
>> of your neighbors.
>
>Yes, I put a $139 window AC in the bedroom window for a couple of
>months. That is far from a $10,000 central AC system.
>>
>> You bought a late Victorian with no heat in 1966? And then you remodeled the
>> kitchen, put some ac units in the windows and sold it for 18x what you paid for
>> it?
>
>No, I had central heat. I'm just saying that type of house is common in
>older cities.

My mom knew a doctor who built a house in Ft Worth. In 1964 it was built for
76,000. Zillow shows it today at well over a million.

Ok. So what do you think are the main contributors to housing rising faster
than inflation?

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In article <7tm9ejt748k5j9qtiht28e92ptear61geb@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> My mom knew a doctor who built a house in Ft Worth. In 1964 it was built for
> 76,000. Zillow shows it today at well over a million.
>
> Ok. So what do you think are the main contributors to housing rising faster
> than inflation?
>
>
>

I don't want to take the time to figure it up but how much money would
noe have if he had invested it in just the dow or S&P folowing fund ?

In article <vc2p9t$14308$5@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n says...
>
> My friend has two houses. The first was bought new in 1974 and has had
> a good sized addition put on. Over 3000 sq ft and value at about $650k.
> The other house is smaller, about 2000 sq feet and is valued at $2.4
> million. She did do some major renovations about 10 years ago but it
> was always higher value due to location.
>
>

It is hard to figure house prices due to the old thing of location,
location, location. I know a man that sold just a spot about 50 by 70
feet at Myrtle Beach for over half a million with nothing on it but a
slab of cement big enough to park 2 cars on. He bought it for almost
nothing probably 70 years ago. I have heard of stories of homes in
California being sold for millions and torn down to build another house
on. Other towns are just about giving away homes to get people to move
in instead of moving out.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 11 Sep 2024 17:17:09 -0400, Ed P
<esp@snet.n> wrote:

>On 9/11/2024 4:42 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>> In article <p6j3ejhn2vf33hd14dd494v4olej2p5s2m@4ax.com>,
>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>> And Trump wants to add 20% tariffs on our needs too. He does not
>>>> understand how that works. Harris called him out and he showed how
>>>> stupid he is about them
>>>
>>> Indeed. He still insists China paid those taxes. It's like he's blissfully
>>> unaware that it was American consumers who gave them the money to do it.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>
>> He wants to to put the tariffs on the goods so it will make the
>> companies move back to the US to create more jobs. It may have
>> prevented John Deere from just moving to Mexico to save on labor cost so
>> they could make more money. About 1000 jobs just got sucked south.
>>
>In the past maybe 30 or so years many jobs have been lost overseas. Can
>we get them back? Yes, but we will have to pay more for the goods.

Exactly.

>I bought my first TV in 1966 and it was made in the US. It has been
>quite a few years since that has happened though some are assembled here.
>
>That first B&W portable was about $150 then and I can get a decent TV
>for the same real dollars today.
>
>Are we willing to pay for those jobs? Remember when Dad worked in the
>factory and made enough to support a family and buy a modest house? We
>can't do that and have cheap appliances.

After WWII, cheap stuff was made in Japan, as in the expression, Made in
Japan. But as time went on, wages got too high in Japan and they had to
off-short their manufacturing to the Phlipines, Indonesia, Taiwan, and
as wages got too high, they off-shored their manufacturing to Viet Nam,
Laos, Pakistan, etc.

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:20:27 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

>On 9/13/2024 7:04 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 23:46:59 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/12/2024 11:40 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 15:54:34 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/12/2024 2:46 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>>>>>> In article <9qa6ej5hf339h16639n7c9ub85p7vg59f5@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you know that if you are married and your spouse has never worked
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't consider cleaning your house, doing your laundry, cooking your meals
>>>>>>> and raising your kids to be work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How much would it cost you to hire those services out to paid contractors?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By your outlook she would be slave labor which is illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To get her to SS you would have to pay her out of your wages and give
>>>>>> the government about 6 % of that and another percentage for regular
>>>>>> state and federal taxes and she would have to give the government 6 %
>>>>>> to SS which is not being done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to toss out a number, for house cleaning and folding the laundry (I
>>>>> do the wash) I pay $280 a month. Lawn care $100.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do my own shopping and cooking.
>>>>
>>>> How much you pay for good lovin'?
>>>>
>>> Never paid for it. Had a wonderful wife for 53 years. Had
>>> opportunities to pay but to me, that is a turn off.
>>
>> We're talking about how much it cost to replace a wife.
>>
>> How much would the hookers have cost you for all the whoopee you got from her?
>>
>> So far you seem to have discounted raising your kids as being worth nothing.
>>
>
>Raising kids is not a financial undertaking, though there is much cost
>to it. I don't attach monetary value to things done for personal
>satisfaction and love.

I accept your concession.

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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:41:22 -0400, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

>I hate the so called average when their numbes are way out of line of
>the prices around here. A good paying job is only around $ 40,000 to
>50,000 a year.

50k is the low end of middle class. Below that is working class and then, the
poor.

The other day I had a craving for nuts so I spent the day with my wife and her
mother.
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:52:45 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

>Pay attention. I never said she was NOT entitled. Can you show that?
>No, you cannot. My wife did collect on my account from the time she
>turned 66 until she passed.

You seemed displeased that widows could draw at all.
>
>I do pay about 300 a month for domestic services, but that is an outside
>source. I still say I never put a dollar value on what she did, nor did
>she put a value on me for my income. That is not what marriage and
>family is about.

But it *is* what SSA benefits are about.

>Makes no difference if our income is $10k a year or
>$10million, it is not about money. I don't know why you try to put a
>dollar value on it.

Because you seemed to be devaluing your wife's value in your partnership.

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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:57 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

>The example you give is more than average and without knowing the house,
>it may be much higher or may be just average for the location.

It's a really nice home in a good location. It's in a fashionable area midway
between town and the really nice mansions farther out. Has lots of coquina and
white brick walls, a private garden accessible only from the master which also
has a semi private deck. The fireplaces are enormous. I think the roof is
white pebbles on tar.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6725-Brants-Ln-Fort-Worth-TX-76116/29078020_zpid/?

Image 7 is the entry way and iirc, it's big enough to shield a small car from a
hailstorm.

When it was new, they had a rectangular butcher block table in the eat in
kitchen that seated up to eight.
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On 9/14/2024 1:03 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:52:45 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>
>> Pay attention. I never said she was NOT entitled. Can you show that?
>> No, you cannot. My wife did collect on my account from the time she
>> turned 66 until she passed.
>
> You seemed displeased that widows could draw at all.

never said that, you are confused.

>>
>> I do pay about 300 a month for domestic services, but that is an outside
>> source. I still say I never put a dollar value on what she did, nor did
>> she put a value on me for my income. That is not what marriage and
>> family is about.
>
> But it *is* what SSA benefits are about.
>
>> Makes no difference if our income is $10k a year or
>> $10million, it is not about money. I don't know why you try to put a
>> dollar value on it.
>
> Because you seemed to be devaluing your wife's value in your partnership.
>

Money does not play in the value of a good marriage

In article <1q0aej126ihvifm2nvfj55v5gmrv8ndfke@4ax.com>, NONONOmisc07
@fmguy.com says...
>
> After WWII, cheap stuff was made in Japan, as in the expression, Made in
> Japan. But as time went on, wages got too high in Japan and they had to
> off-short their manufacturing to the Phlipines, Indonesia, Taiwan, and
> as wages got too high, they off-shored their manufacturing to Viet Nam,
> Laos, Pakistan, etc.
>
>

I thught that in Japan after they ran out of all the American beer cans
that were left there the goods go to be first class stuff instead of
cheap junk.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:15:30 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 14 Sep 2024 18:04:14 -0400, Ralph Mowery
><rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <1q0aej126ihvifm2nvfj55v5gmrv8ndfke@4ax.com>, NONONOmisc07
>>@fmguy.com says...
>>>
>>> After WWII, cheap stuff was made in Japan, as in the expression, Made in
>>> Japan. But as time went on, wages got too high in Japan and they had to
>>> off-short their manufacturing to the Phlipines, Indonesia, Taiwan, and
>>> as wages got too high, they off-shored their manufacturing to Viet Nam,
>>> Laos, Pakistan, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I thught that in Japan after they ran out of all the American beer cans
>>that were left there the goods go to be first class stuff instead of
>>cheap junk.
>
>They did go from cheap litte items, aka junk, to better quality, more
>expensive items, but I don't know details about that.
>
>One thing I do know about is that Congress put a quota on the number of
>cars which could be imported,

When was this? My best recollection is the Democrats fighting for tariffs and
quotas to protect Detroit while Reagan wanted free trade without quotas or
punitive tariffs. Ultimately, Reagan and the GOP had their way. Japan switched
from their focus on cheap econoboxes and began going after upmarket American
makes with larger cars and new brands like Lexus, Infinti and Acura.

> so Japan, which had so far only exported
>to the US cheap cars, intead of making say 100,000 cheap cars they
>started to make 100,000 middle and expensive cars instead, to get
>maxiumum profit within the allowed quota. So US car companies that had
>with regard to Asia a monopoly on expensive cars, no longer had one.

This was not due to quotas. It was due to new rules preventing them from
"dumping". Japan had long engaged in the practice of shipping enormous numbers
of cars to the US to sell at, or near, loss prices. When the US stipulated that
models sold here could not be sold for less than in Japan, their makers shifted
up market.
>
>I suppose eventually*** Japan would have been selling expensive cars
>here, but I'm pretty sure this speeded things up by 5 or 10 years or
>more. ***(Well, maybe. Maybe they only made cheap cars
>for their own market and sold the same cars here? And didn't make any
>expensive cars until that quota was imposed? That's another thing I
>don't know.)
>
>I can't imagine that Congress intended this. I don't think they foresaw
>it. Even though it's obvious after the fact. Someone must have talked
>about this by now in a book or interview, but I havn't seen more than
>the original article that I basically just quoted above.

You're right about Congress not foreseeing what would happen when they ended
dumping but I sure don't recall quotas being set. Do you have any reliable
cites for this?

Trump debate lie:
Harris pointed out his former staff that doesn't support him, 40 of 44 Cabinet
officials, have written critically of him.

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