On 8/29/24 8:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:29:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
>> damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.
>
> Better than the world we'll have to live in if Trump is elected.

Unfortunately, there's already been quite a bit of damage to freedoms in
the USA from Trump/GOP judges, especially at SCOTUS, which is going to
take over a decade to enact meaningful reforms & rulings to undo the
anti-constitutional rulings of the past few years.

The Chevron Decision in particular is extremely dangerous & unbalancing.
Plus its implications are tremendously expensive financially.

But don't worry: there's "only" been eight (8) known deaths (so far)
from just the deregulation of health standards at Boar's Head:

I'll leave it up to the MAGAs for them to decide if they're going to now
personally protect themselves by giving up eating all processed meats.

....and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather services:
better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
for-profit) services.

-hh

On 8/29/24 9:02 PM, Joel wrote:
> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>>> A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>>>> voter".
>>>>
>>>> Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>>>
>>>> Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>>> html>
>>>>
>>>> ' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>>> inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>>>
>>>> Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>>> Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>>> in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>>>
>>>> Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>>> interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>>> 9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>>>
>>>> *Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>>> true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>>> 1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>>> after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>>> recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>>> month prior.*
>>>>
>>>> In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>>> was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>>> 2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>>> increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>>> Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>>> months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>>>
>>>> Similar to a previous false claim
>>>>
>>>> Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>>> in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>>> a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>>>
>>>> A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>>> factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>>> around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>>>
>>>> The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>>> Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>>> wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>>>
>>> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>>> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>>> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>>> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>>> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>>> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>>> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>>> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>>> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>>> recovering from the pandemic.
>>>
>> She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>> demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>> more intelligent than you are.
>
>
> What a joke, you think she "proved" something? Only that she's
> willing to use information to jump to conclusions, and you're
> apparently the same. Fox News Channel-watching dummies.
>

This is a good example of attempted propaganda, as it used "truthful"
data to substantiate the propaganda's claim, as it allows people to
forget to test the underlying premise for its inherent validity.

What's invalid here is the implicit assumption that the economy has zero
inertia, such that a change in fiscal policy will cause a sudden and
large change within hours/days/etc: it simply does not work that way.

Case in point, household savings exists, which is a fiscal buffer
between expenses vs income. That's fiscal "inertia" which creates a lag
between changes in inputs and subsequent outputs.

For example, if one has 6 months worth of savings, if one's paycheck
were to suddenly stop, one's payments of bills isn't going to drop to
literally zero within just the first month: even if you reduce your
immediate spending, that savings gives you time to fix the income
revenue side (eg, go look for a new job) and stabilize your cash flow.

In the case of our recent inflation, much of it was due to an imbalance
in fiscal stimulus vs supply (eg, "too much" stimulus money).
Fortunately, much of the pandemic stimulus checks to households wasn't
spent, but saved:

"Over the pandemic, historic levels of government transfers boosted
household income while household spending was severely curtailed by
social distancing. This led the personal saving rate to soar (Figure 1),
and we estimate that U.S. households accumulated about $2.3 trillion in
savings in 2020 and through the summer of 2021, above and beyond what
they would have saved if income and spending components had grown at
recent, pre-pandemic trends."

<https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/excess-savings-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-20221021.html>

But much of this 'free money' has now been spent, which is why there
was a lag between when the checks were sent and when the inflation it
caused was recorded.

YA example of a 2nd order fiscal effect that's not easy for the general
public to understand, even though they participated in causing it.

-hh

-hh

In article <nav1djdnm7imcbljt93b6iqa7c0javrc82@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
> >On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
> >> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
> >>> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
> >>>
> >>> Reference the thread you're talking about.
> >>
> >> The one you ran from.
> >
> >Several times in fact.
> >I stopped asking because he is clearly mentally ill.
>
>
> You know, guys, that my sig has a reference to the abortion decision.
> Is that not a "right taken away", pray tell?

You refuse to say whet right Trump will take from YOU. Why do you run
from that?

In article <n6v1dj93ljvvehips6kn9iiia9q2u27uhm@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
> >On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article <mgcvcjhnl5dtnr0osk4ia9vqjc3l1mn4ij@4ax.com>,
> >> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
> >>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >So where is Kamala Harris's plan?
> >>> >Her website seems to be nothing but multiple donate here buttons.
> >>>
> >>> Her plan is to keep the ship afloat, something DJT will surely not do.
> >>
> >> Nice spin. The ship has already sunk.
> >
> >Indeed.
> >At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
> >damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.
>
>
> You guys are pwned by DJT, the botnet. Congrats.

Still running from those right Trump is going to take away from YOU?

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 01:54:31 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-08-30, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-08-30, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>>>>On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>>>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>>>>>> voter".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>><https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>>>>>html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>>>>>inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>>>>>Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>>>>>in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>>>>>interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>>>>>9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>*Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>>>>>true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>>>>>1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>>>>>after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>>>>>recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>>>>>month prior.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>>>>>was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>>>>>2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>>>>>increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>>>>>Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>>>>>months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Similar to a previous false claim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>>>>>in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>>>>>a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>>>>>factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>>>>>around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>>>>>Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>>>>>wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>>>>>
>>>>> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>>>>> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>>>>> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>>>>> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>>>>> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>>>>> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>>>>> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>>>>> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>>>>> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>>>>> recovering from the pandemic.
>>>>>
>>>>She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>>>>demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>>>>more intelligent than you are.
>>>
>>>
>>> What a joke, you think she "proved" something? Only that she's
>>> willing to use information to jump to conclusions, and you're
>>> apparently the same. Fox News Channel-watching dummies.
>>>
>> Your dancing is lame. The link was from CNN but you can find the same data all over the net.
>> I didn't see FoxNews mentioned.
>> Here is one. The numbers are close to what she posted.
>> https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
>> Admit it, you were humiliated by a female.
>>
>Thank you.

For proving you're an idiot?

""Kadyrovites are slackers, selfie men and bullsh*tters. Show me at least one of
them who has accomplished a feat worthy of the orders they wear."
"I didn't know I was going to end up at the front at all. I thought I would just
serve in a unit like everyone else does. I didn't think I'd end up at the
border."
"Two stories by Russian captives. One of them is 18 years old."
<https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1823779136751673803<

--
#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:18:23 -0700, J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote:

>On 8/29/2024 3:57 PM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>> In article <XnsB1DD4B1A031E2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
<snip>
>>>> Trump had his chance gto "make
>>>> America great" before, we got a
>>>> failed wall, massive job losses,
>>>> massive deficits, and hundreds of
>>>> associates arrested. Time for a
>>>> change.
>>>>
>>>
>>> To what? High prices? More crime and wars? You have had over 3 years to
>>> make a "change">
>>
>> None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>
>We're not in any "misery." We're in good times.
>
> * unemployment at near historical low
> * inflation low (under 3%)
> * GDP growing
> * crime *down*
> * US not in any wars
>
>Yep: unequivocally good times, and voters are noticing.

538 has Harris up 3.6.
270towin now favors Harris in the EC count as she piles up voters in
battleground states.
NYT has Harris up 3.
WaPo has Harris holding the blue wall in WI, MI and PA; a dead heat in NV, AZ
and NC with Trump up only 2 in GA.
USA Today has Harris up 5.
The Economist has Harris up 3.
Nate Silver has Harris up 3.8.
Realclearpolitics has stopped putting their polling average number up front
Harris up in every poll except Rasmussen by as much as 5.
Realclearpolling has also stopped displaying the polling average but shows
Harris up in almost every poll.

Another captured T-80 in perfect condition.
<https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1823813967787249697>
Interior shot of Russian tank.
<https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1824092157814231285>

--
#NEVERtrump

Invade Canada, steal all their stuff, sell it in the US cheap (but keep
half the profit for himself).

On 2024-08-30, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <nav1djdnm7imcbljt93b6iqa7c0javrc82@4ax.com>,
> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> >On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
>> >> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
>> >>> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
>> >>>
>> >>> Reference the thread you're talking about.
>> >>
>> >> The one you ran from.
>> >
>> >Several times in fact.
>> >I stopped asking because he is clearly mentally ill.
>>
>>
>> You know, guys, that my sig has a reference to the abortion decision.
>> Is that not a "right taken away", pray tell?
>
> You refuse to say whet right Trump will take from YOU. Why do you run
> from that?

Well, since Joel believes that his tranny boyfriend is a woman, maybe he believes that he can get
pregnant as well?

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:57:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>
>And we all know that inflation was due to six trillion dollars in printed money
>being injected into the economy between May 2020 and June 2021. Four trillion
>of that was Trump's doing so it's more accurate to say that Trump is responsible
>for the lion's share of the inflation that dogged Biden's first two years as
>President.

Certainly, that was a factor, yeah. I don't think either admin was
wrong to do what they did with that, but it is an example of how this
isn't just a matter of "vote for X, get Y", it's something the global
economy does over time, so it ended up seeming to be on Biden's watch.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Governor Swill wrote:
> 538 has

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
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threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
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XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> Some context

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> The one thing you can't explain is what caused

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Swill

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From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> But that's ok.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> take the full blame

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> Free hint

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:s002djdsc90a26v0rm2uk0q69q515t13c6@4ax.com...
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>The libbys pretend they have an answer for everything but as usual they
>>can't see the forest for
>>the trees.
>>
>>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>
>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>
>
> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
> voter".

IOW, Joel doesn't know, and doesn't want to talk about the failures of the
Biden/Harris ticket.

Governor Swill wrote:
> I sure don't know of anybody

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> We might even believe

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> It's all going according to Xi's plan.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 11:07:17 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:57:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>
>>And we all know that inflation was due to six trillion dollars in printed money
>>being injected into the economy between May 2020 and June 2021. Four trillion
>>of that was Trump's doing so it's more accurate to say that Trump is responsible
>>for the lion's share of the inflation that dogged Biden's first two years as
>>President.
>
>
>Certainly, that was a factor, yeah. I don't think either admin was
>wrong to do what they did with that, but it is an example of how this
>isn't just a matter of "vote for X, get Y", it's something the global
>economy does over time, so it ended up seeming to be on Biden's watch.

All that stimulus was why our economy came back so quick and so strong. That
brief period of inflation was the price we paid for that fast rebuild.

Vying for Trump's most transparent lie
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EvtP59-wIsM>

--
#NEVERtrump

Governor Swill wrote:
> most transparent

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 11:07:17 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:57:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>
>>>And we all know that inflation was due to six trillion dollars in printed money
>>>being injected into the economy between May 2020 and June 2021. Four trillion
>>>of that was Trump's doing so it's more accurate to say that Trump is responsible
>>>for the lion's share of the inflation that dogged Biden's first two years as
>>>President.
>>
>>Certainly, that was a factor, yeah. I don't think either admin was
>>wrong to do what they did with that, but it is an example of how this
>>isn't just a matter of "vote for X, get Y", it's something the global
>>economy does over time, so it ended up seeming to be on Biden's watch.
>
>All that stimulus was why our economy came back so quick and so strong. That
>brief period of inflation was the price we paid for that fast rebuild.

Yup. Well said.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:25:52 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/29/24 8:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:29:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
>>>> damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.
>>>
>>> Better than the world we'll have to live in if Trump is elected.
>>
>> Unfortunately, there's already been quite a bit of damage to freedoms in
>> the USA from Trump/GOP judges, especially at SCOTUS, which is going to
>> take over a decade to enact meaningful reforms & rulings to undo the
>> anti-constitutional rulings of the past few years.
>>
>> The Chevron Decision in particular is extremely dangerous & unbalancing.
>> Plus its implications are tremendously expensive financially.
>>
>> But don't worry: there's "only" been eight (8) known deaths (so far)
>>from just the deregulation of health standards at Boar's Head:
>>
>> I'll leave it up to the MAGAs for them to decide if they're going to now
>> personally protect themselves by giving up eating all processed meats.
>>
>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather services:
>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
>> for-profit) services.
>
> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll be the
> lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught fire because a neighbor
> didn't have a fire service contract.

Agreed.

This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.

FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.

-hh

On 8/30/24 3:50 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:43:23 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/29/24 9:02 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>>>>> A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>>>>>> voter".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>>>>> html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>>>>> inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>>>>> Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>>>>> in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>>>>> interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>>>>> 9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>>>>> true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>>>>> 1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>>>>> after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>>>>> recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>>>>> month prior.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>>>>> was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>>>>> 2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>>>>> increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>>>>> Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>>>>> months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Similar to a previous false claim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>>>>> in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>>>>> a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>>>>> factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>>>>> around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>>>>> Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>>>>> wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>>>>>
>>>>> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>>>>> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>>>>> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>>>>> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>>>>> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>>>>> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>>>>> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>>>>> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>>>>> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>>>>> recovering from the pandemic.
>>>>>
>>>> She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>>>> demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>>>> more intelligent than you are.
>>>
>>>
>>> What a joke, you think she "proved" something? Only that she's
>>> willing to use information to jump to conclusions, and you're
>>> apparently the same. Fox News Channel-watching dummies.
>>>
>>
>> This is a good example of attempted propaganda, as it used "truthful"
>> data to substantiate the propaganda's claim, as it allows people to
>> forget to test the underlying premise for its inherent validity.
>>
>> What's invalid here is the implicit assumption that the economy has zero
>> inertia, such that a change in fiscal policy will cause a sudden and
>> large change within hours/days/etc: it simply does not work that way.
>>
>> Case in point, household savings exists, which is a fiscal buffer
>> between expenses vs income. That's fiscal "inertia" which creates a lag
>> between changes in inputs and subsequent outputs.
>>
>> For example, if one has 6 months worth of savings, if one's paycheck
>> were to suddenly stop, one's payments of bills isn't going to drop to
>> literally zero within just the first month: even if you reduce your
>> immediate spending, that savings gives you time to fix the income
>> revenue side (eg, go look for a new job) and stabilize your cash flow.
>>
>>
>> In the case of our recent inflation, much of it was due to an imbalance
>> in fiscal stimulus vs supply (eg, "too much" stimulus money).
>
> All that stimulus allowed the US economy to recover faster and more broadly than
> any other economy on earth. The price we paid for that recovery was a brief
> period of sharp inflation as the savings you elaborate on below got spent when
> the economy opened back up.

The policy makers did have a quite difficult decision to balance, as the
trade-off was to provide stimulus that wasn't enough to forestall a
recession (which effectively wastes the money invested), versus spending
"too much" knowing that we'd have to pay the price of higher inflation
later on if it worked.

The downside risks were less severe for the "overfund" scenario than for
the "underfund", so that's how we ended up with the decision that they
made.

FWIW, we could have reduced the amount of inflation if we would have NOT
forgiven the PPP loans and other corporate giveaways, for requiring
their repayment (on a delay, of course) would have had the same fiscal
effect of removing money from the economy ... reducing inflation ... in
lieu of higher Fed interest rates.

Yet another option available was for Congress to pass a tax rate hike.
Yeah, I know, "political third rail", but fiscally, its still an option.

To this end, this is why the 2017 TCJA shouldn't be extended: there's
still an ongoing need to reduce inflation by reducing free money, and
choosing to increase tax rates enables making an interest rate cut,
which lowers the Federal Budget's debt service costs.

>> Fortunately, much of the pandemic stimulus checks to households wasn't
>> spent, but saved:
>>
>> "Over the pandemic, historic levels of government transfers boosted
>> household income while household spending was severely curtailed by
>> social distancing. This led the personal saving rate to soar (Figure 1),
>> and we estimate that U.S. households accumulated about $2.3 trillion in
>> savings in 2020 and through the summer of 2021, above and beyond what
>> they would have saved if income and spending components had grown at
>> recent, pre-pandemic trends."
>>
>>
>> <https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/excess-savings-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-20221021.html>
>>
>> But much of this 'free money' has now been spent, which is why there
>> was a lag between when the checks were sent and when the inflation it
>> caused was recorded.
>>
>> YA example of a 2nd order fiscal effect that's not easy for the general
>> public to understand, even though they participated in causing it.
>
> I sure don't know of anybody who sent back their stimulus deposits.
>
> Trump has found a new way to embarrass himself in Montana
> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7_nVxRn4_tc>
>
> --
> #NEVERtrump

On Aug 30, 2024 at 1:13:21 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vat951$kape$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:25:52 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/29/24 8:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:29:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris
>>>>> have caused so much
>>>>> damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a
>>>>> long time.
>>>>
>>>> Better than the world we'll have to live in if Trump is elected.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, there's already been quite a bit of damage to freedoms in
>>> the USA from Trump/GOP judges, especially at SCOTUS, which is going to
>>> take over a decade to enact meaningful reforms & rulings to undo the
>>> anti-constitutional rulings of the past few years.
>>>
>>> The Chevron Decision in particular is extremely dangerous & unbalancing.
>>> Plus its implications are tremendously expensive financially.
>>>
>>> But don't worry: there's "only" been eight (8) known deaths (so far)
>>> from just the deregulation of health standards at Boar's Head:
>>>
>>> I'll leave it up to the MAGAs for them to decide if they're going to now
>>> personally protect themselves by giving up eating all processed meats.
>>>
>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather services:
>>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
>>> for-profit) services.
>>
>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll be the
>> lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught fire because a neighbor
>> didn't have a fire service contract.
>
> Agreed.
>
> This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
> bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
> go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>
> FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
> frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
> higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
> rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
> say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>
>
> -hh

We pay more to get less and then say this somehow makes economic sense. It is
sorta like how we get a 70 cent return on our dollar when we help the rich,
and a buck forty or better when we help the poor, and then people argue we
need to help the rich because they are the job creators (which is really a
lie). It is madness.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.