On 8/29/24 5:33 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:01:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>
>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
>
> Won't help at all. Oil is a global commodity. If we drill more, they drill
> less to keep the price/profit levels up. We saw this during the pandemic when
> Trump worked with Bin Salman and Putin to cut their oil production in order to
> force oil prices UP.

What would help at least as much (and potentially more) is for local
'green' generation (solar; wind), so as to displace the demand for oil,
so the "drill baby drill" is a deliberately incomplete policy plan.

>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>
> A mere placebo. Waste is nothing compared to total deficits and is far less
> than the money lost to tax cuts for the rich.

Indeed. If it was possible to get rid of the entire Federal workforce,
the cost savings would be roughly just half of what the annual cost is
of the 2017 TCJA (which was promised to have no effect on fed revenues).

>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
>>
>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>
> Dangerous to the public. I like clean air and water. I like safe, effective
> medicines, clean and pure food and business held accountable.

When one does away with playing field levelling regulations, there's a
lot of hidden costs for individuals & businesses to increase their
internal quality controls to offset the risks of getting dangerous crap.

>> Perhaps could increase supply (or not), but no details, more bromide.
>>
>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>
>> That spurs inflation (increases demand).

Yup, its more money in the economy available to spend.

> If Reagan had left taxes alone, inflation would have ended in 1982, not peaked.
>
>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>
>> Tariffs? That spurs inflation.

By raising prices of goods.

> It also costs jobs as retaliatory tariffs from other nations cuts into our
> exports.

That too; a friend lost his US Export business in 18/19 because of this.

> You can't rebalance trade with tariffs. You can only rebalance trade by
> producing superior products at lower cost and/or by devaluing the dollar with
> would bring back the inflation monster.
>
>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>
>> Not relevant.

I'd say that it is, since it is a reduction in the workforce, which
increases the costs of labor, which is inflationary. Of course, the
counterpoint is fewer workers = fewer services = recessionary risk.

>>
>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>
> What wars?

Likewise, how does one end them? By surrendering to the aggressors?
Neville Chamberlain would like a word about that.

>
>> Oil prices? Iran comes to mind, but the Middle East remains only at
>> proxy-war level.
>
> And that, too, is Trump's fault. The west was on the path of normalizing
> relations with Iran and putting the brakes on their nuclear program until Trump
> screwed it up.

And Iran is now closer than ever to having their own nuclear capability
because of Trump...

....but that's supposedly not "destabilizing", somehow! /s

-hh

On 8/29/24 1:34 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vaodpk$3lnmn$1@dont-email.me>, noway@nowhere.com says...
>>
>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>
>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
>
> Hasn't hurt anything yet.
>>
>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>
>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
>
> Giving fence jumpers more than a vet gets.

Interesting claim. Got substantiating details?

> Giving tons of money to other
> countries that launder it and never pay it back.

Interesting claim. Got substantiating details?

Make sure to include the part on how it was a loan and not a gift.

Similarly, contemplate the pros/cons of foreign aid which is intended to
allow those foreigners to stay in their home country, instead of seeking
to emigrate to the USA. Likewise, look at the business angle from such
economic development to cultivate markets for US manufacturers to have
an export market to sell goods to too.

-hh

On 29/08/2024 21:29, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 03:26:20 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
>
> Vice Presidents don't set policy. They don't pass legislation. They don't run
> the country. They are typically window dressing first in line at the box
> office.
>
> Terms of the debate
> <https://www.gocomics.com/johndeering/2024/08/28>

Who wields the REAL power in the USA?

Mr Biden appears to have been somewhat disabled for quite some time.
Who has told him what to do and say?

In article <fWPzO.467$EFRb.421@fx39.iad>, rc.@hendrie.con says...
>
> On 8/28/2024 5:56 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> > On 8/28/2024 5:41 PM, pothead wrote:
> >> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
> >>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
> >>>
> >>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
> >>
> >> Nobody is saying to abandon renewable energy but don't shutdown fossil fuel
> >> production until we
> >> have viable alternatives and truly accurate studies that determine the true
> >> impact of fossil fuels
> >> and man on the environment.
> >> Right now we have nothing of the sort.
> >>
> >> And how does it make sense for th US to close down fossil fuel operations just
> >> to buy oil etc from
> >> other countries?
> >> Really?
> >> That is not only embarrassing but it's dangerous and massively ignorant.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
> >>>
> >>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
> >>
> >> Wrong.
> >> Printing money and spending it like crazy on idiotic programs like DEI for
> >> example causes inflation
> >> to rise.
> >
> > How much of the budget is spent on DEI?
>
> 0%
>
> >
> >>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps could increase supply (or not), but no details, more bromide.
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >> Excess regulations raises prices and thus the cost to the consumer. It also
> >> stunts innovation and
> >> product development.
> >> The democrats thrive on regulation, many of them overbearing and useless.
> >> Right now California is like one huge HOA run by a team of Karens.
> >> That's one reason why businesses and people as well are leaving the state.
> >
> > No details means it is bromide (and we can't evaluate its impact).
>
> "Regulation cuts" is not a policy. As you note, it is a bromide.
>
> >
> >>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
> >>>
> >>> That spurs inflation (increases demand).
> >>
> >> Tell it to Kamala then.
> >> It's part of her plan even though we have been hearing tax cuts for the middle
> >> class from the
> >> democrats for decades.
> >> More money in the people's pocket means more spending and purchasing.
> >
> > More demand pushes prices up.
>
> Only if supply doesn't respond.
>
> >
> >>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
> >>>
> >>> Tariffs? That spurs inflation.
> >>
> >> Fair competition.
>
> Tariffs do not result in "fair competition." Tariffs are a tax, paid by consumers.
>
> >> Compete on an even keel and we can all do well.
> >> Devalue your currency, like China, and flood the market and we have a problem.
> >> And just wait until cheap EV begin flooding the US. If Kamala is in office she
> >> will probably
> >> welcome each one with a big blue ribbon stuck to the hood. And of course China
> >> will also be very
> >> happy to sell us the raw materials to manufacture batteries, solar panels and
> >> so forth as well.
> >> It's a variation on the give them the razor cheap and gouge them on the blades.
> >> They are shrewd and Biden and his lackeys are idiots.
> >
> > Fair competition or not, it's inflationary.
> >
> >>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
> >>>
> >>> Not relevant.
> >>
> >> Are you kidding?
> >>
> >> Do you have any idea how much illegal immigration is costing the country?
>
> Zero.
>
> >> Where is this money coming from?
> >> They can only tax the legal citizens so much and at some point, like all
> >> socialist regimes, they
> >> will run out of people who can pay the bills.
> >
> > Tell us, how much does illegal immigration cost the country. Don't forget to
> > include the production from and taxes paid by unauthorized workers.
>
> It doesn't cost the country anything.

Then where are all the benefits they get coming from?
>
> >
> >>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
> >>>
> >>> Oil prices? Iran comes to mind, but the Middle East remains only at
> >>> proxy-war level.
> >>
> >> We need to stop financing our enemies just so they can buy armaments and fire
> >> them back at us.
>
> The U.S. does not finance its enemies.
>
> >> Under Trump Iran was pretty much bankrupt and in a box.
> >> Biden comes along, unfreezes assests, relaxes their ability to sell oil and
> >> look what happened.
> >> They are now behind the proxy wars.
> >> Yet another moronic decision by the Biden administration.
> >>
> >> We need to end these wars.
>
> What wars is the U.S. in ?
>
> >> Settle them once and for all.
> >> The cost is draining our economy and is putting us in grave danger due to
> >> depletion of our own
> >> weapons.
> >
> > How do we end the wars?

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:42:00 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2024 8:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>
>>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>>
>>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>
>> We no longer have a president who tried to steal an election and block
>> the peaceful transition of power. And yes, that makes me and the entire
>> country much, much better off.
>
>Oh Jesus, come on already.
>All Trump was doing was trying to challenge an election that stank of corruption.

Liar. He did much MUCH more than that. All of his legal challenges were denied
so he then tried to get a populous swing state to falsify it's election results.
When that failed, he tried to send illegal electors to Washington and when THAT
failed he fomented an insurrection intended to cow the Congress into keeping him
in power which *also* failed. Trump is a failure.

>Sure there were people who went overboard destroying property and so forth and they should be
>prosecuted but you simply cannot tie Trump

Liar again. It can ALL be tied directly to Trump and it will be when he's tried
next year.

> to any of that so stop parroting the MSM.

Any Republican accusation is, in fact, a confession.

>And BTW evidence comes out almost daily that the 2020 election was not honest.

Lying again. Everything 'new' that comes out is actually old stuff that's been
debunked or thrown out of court already.

>So assume that matters to you, how are you better off?

I live in a country that does not exist under a coup installed dictator.

And if you think America would be anything else had Trump succeeded in
overturning the election, you are gravely mistaken.

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On 8/29/2024 10:38 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <fWPzO.467$EFRb.421@fx39.iad>, rc.@hendrie.con says...
>>
>> On 8/28/2024 5:56 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>> On 8/28/2024 5:41 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody is saying to abandon renewable energy but don't shutdown fossil fuel
>>>> production until we
>>>> have viable alternatives and truly accurate studies that determine the true
>>>> impact of fossil fuels
>>>> and man on the environment.
>>>> Right now we have nothing of the sort.
>>>>
>>>> And how does it make sense for th US to close down fossil fuel operations just
>>>> to buy oil etc from
>>>> other countries?
>>>> Really?
>>>> That is not only embarrassing but it's dangerous and massively ignorant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>> Printing money and spending it like crazy on idiotic programs like DEI for
>>>> example causes inflation
>>>> to rise.
>>>
>>> How much of the budget is spent on DEI?
>>
>> 0%
>>
>>>
>>>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps could increase supply (or not), but no details, more bromide.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>> Excess regulations raises prices and thus the cost to the consumer. It also
>>>> stunts innovation and
>>>> product development.
>>>> The democrats thrive on regulation, many of them overbearing and useless.
>>>> Right now California is like one huge HOA run by a team of Karens.
>>>> That's one reason why businesses and people as well are leaving the state.
>>>
>>> No details means it is bromide (and we can't evaluate its impact).
>>
>> "Regulation cuts" is not a policy. As you note, it is a bromide.
>>
>>>
>>>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>>>
>>>>> That spurs inflation (increases demand).
>>>>
>>>> Tell it to Kamala then.
>>>> It's part of her plan even though we have been hearing tax cuts for the middle
>>>> class from the
>>>> democrats for decades.
>>>> More money in the people's pocket means more spending and purchasing.
>>>
>>> More demand pushes prices up.
>>
>> Only if supply doesn't respond.
>>
>>>
>>>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tariffs? That spurs inflation.
>>>>
>>>> Fair competition.
>>
>> Tariffs do not result in "fair competition." Tariffs are a tax, paid by consumers.
>>
>>>> Compete on an even keel and we can all do well.
>>>> Devalue your currency, like China, and flood the market and we have a problem.
>>>> And just wait until cheap EV begin flooding the US. If Kamala is in office she
>>>> will probably
>>>> welcome each one with a big blue ribbon stuck to the hood. And of course China
>>>> will also be very
>>>> happy to sell us the raw materials to manufacture batteries, solar panels and
>>>> so forth as well.
>>>> It's a variation on the give them the razor cheap and gouge them on the blades.
>>>> They are shrewd and Biden and his lackeys are idiots.
>>>
>>> Fair competition or not, it's inflationary.
>>>
>>>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not relevant.
>>>>
>>>> Are you kidding?
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any idea how much illegal immigration is costing the country?
>>
>> Zero.
>>
>>>> Where is this money coming from?
>>>> They can only tax the legal citizens so much and at some point, like all
>>>> socialist regimes, they
>>>> will run out of people who can pay the bills.
>>>
>>> Tell us, how much does illegal immigration cost the country. Don't forget to
>>> include the production from and taxes paid by unauthorized workers.
>>
>> It doesn't cost the country anything.
>
> Then where are all the benefits they get coming from?

They don't get any. They're ineligible.

>>>
>>>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oil prices? Iran comes to mind, but the Middle East remains only at
>>>>> proxy-war level.
>>>>
>>>> We need to stop financing our enemies just so they can buy armaments and fire
>>>> them back at us.
>>
>> The U.S. does not finance its enemies.
>>
>>>> Under Trump Iran was pretty much bankrupt and in a box.
>>>> Biden comes along, unfreezes assests, relaxes their ability to sell oil and
>>>> look what happened.
>>>> They are now behind the proxy wars.
>>>> Yet another moronic decision by the Biden administration.
>>>>
>>>> We need to end these wars.
>>
>> What wars is the U.S. in ?
>>
>>>> Settle them once and for all.
>>>> The cost is draining our economy and is putting us in grave danger due to
>>>> depletion of our own
>>>> weapons.
>>>
>>> How do we end the wars?
>
>

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 15:00:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2024 9:42 PM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/2024 8:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>>>>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>>>
>>>> We no longer have a president who tried to steal an election and block
>>>> the peaceful transition of power. And yes, that makes me and the entire
>>>> country much, much better off.
>>>
>>> Oh Jesus, come on already.
>>> All Trump was doing was trying to challenge an election that stank of corruption.
>>
>> The fever dream will never end for you.
>>
>>> Sure there were people who went overboard destroying property and so forth and they should be
>>> prosecuted but you simply cannot tie Trump to any of that so stop parroting the MSM.
>>> And BTW evidence comes out almost daily that the 2020 election was not honest.
>>>
>>> So assume that matters to you, how are you better off?
>>>
>>> Food prices?https://www.walmart.com/search?q=flip+flops
>>> Interest rates?
>>> World wars?
>>> Etc.
>>
>> All of that is secondary to keeping our democracy.
>
>That's a hoot coming from a libby who just had their candidate, the one the people voted for,
>boot out, replaced and another person installed.
>That's called a coup.

Liar. It's called a private political party selecting a candidate. Must I
remind you that primaries became the sole means of selecting Presidential
candidates only in 1972? There is no law that NOMINEES must be selected by
popular vote. The parties are free to select their nominees in any way they see
fit.

There are no complaints from the Democrat rank and file and not one delegate,
not even ONE cast a vote for any other candidate.

>And yes, you did lose your democracy.

No, you lost your dictator.

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 05:06:38 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>>>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>>>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>>>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>>>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>>>> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
>>>> whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
>>>> benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
>>>> working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
>>>> matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>>>> environment.
>>>>
>>>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>>>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>>>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>>>> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>>
>>>1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>>>2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
>>>3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at that level. Just because the
>>>leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
>>>candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>>>
>>>So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised would appear after he
>>>cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
>>>programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.
>>>Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>>>
>>>You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>>>You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>>>
>>>Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>>>this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>>
>>>And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>>
>>>The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say YES and then tell me
>>>SPECIFICALLY how.
>>>
>>>Maybe you can.
>>>
>>>Ball is in your court Joel.
>>
>>
>> I can tell you: I live in a blue part of a blue state. We're better
>> off, because our guy won. That's what this is really about, the fact
>> that we can't go in both directions at once. Trump is not just a
>> threat to some people's economics, though, but to democracy itself. I
>> don't accept that he's fit to be a dictator, nor that we'd accept that
>> vision of it to begin with, it's nothing but his greed for power, and
>> people's stupidity in wanting him to have it.
>>
>
>So you can give no specifics.
>Ok I get it.
>You are just another low information TDS infected voter.

I get why red states support Trump. As a whole they're poor and undereducated.

Blue states are more affluent and generally better educated.

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In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
>
>
> Reference the thread you're talking about.

The one you ran from.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:35:19 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
wrote:

>pothead wrote:
>
>> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
>
><https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp>
>
>> 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at that level. Just because the
>> leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
>> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>
><https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-10-12/editorial-dont-believe-the-naysayers-we-can-electrify-the-economy-without-leaving-workers-behind>
>
>> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised would appear after he
>> cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
>> programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.
>
><https://www.nature.org/en-us/about-us/where-we-work/united-states/midwest-demand-for-renewables/>
>
>> Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>
><https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2024/04/14/2024-could-be-the-year-for-american-lithium/>
>
>> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>>
>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>
>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say YES and then tell me
>> SPECIFICALLY how.

Several have done so in this very thread. But because you don't like their
answers, you pretend they didn't answer at all.

>Do say.

He says a lot of shit, doesn't he?

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-hh wrote:

>>Oil is a global commodity. If we drill more, they drill
>> less to keep the price/profit levels up. We saw this during the pandemic when
>> Trump worked with Bin Salman and Putin to cut their oil production in order to
>> force oil prices UP.
>
>What would help at least as much (and potentially more) is for local
>'green' generation (solar; wind), so as to displace the demand for oil,
>so the "drill baby drill" is a deliberately incomplete policy plan.

So is depending upon our enemy to build solar panels and wind
generators for us.

We should be going nuclear.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 12:31:57 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

>pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>news:vaopor$3qtg1$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>>
>>>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>>>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>>>> Sept 9 2020
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>>>>
>>>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>>>> North Carolina, Virginia
>>>> Sept 25, 2020
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>>>>
>>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>>
>>>> Federal spending went up every
>>>>year under Trump.
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>>
>>>> Except all the regulations
>>>>Republicans want.
>>>>
>>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>>
>>>> Deficit explodes.
>>>>
>>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>>
>>>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>>>>Trump-style
>>>>
>>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>>
>>>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>>>>
>>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>>
>>>> By playing nice with all the
>>>>dictators who start them.
>>>>
>>>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>>> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble,
>>> or whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who
>>> directly benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a
>>> lot, the working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies
>>> that it matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global
>>> economic environment.
>>>
>>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>>> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>>
>>
>> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>
>
> Indeed. Booming stock market, low
>unemployment, factories opening up
>everywhere, vacation spending up.
>Who will save from this catastrophe?
>
>
>
>> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it.
>
>
> Show us the authority of a vice
>president to do anything.
>
>
>> She has done
>> nothing. 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping
>> anyone at that level. Just because the leaders of a particular union
>> support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
>> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden.

If that was true, you would have stumbled over your own feet to get the cite
posted here.

>>Do the research.

I am not minded to do your homework for you.

>https://www.reuters.com/world/us/united-auto-workers-union-endorses-
>harris-bid-president-2024-07-31/

The Dems are reaching to get their core constituency, blue collar workers, back.
We'll know in a few weeks if it worked.

>> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised
>> would appear after he cancelled say the Keystone pipeline?

Apparently they've been filled. With an unemployment rate of 4% and more
Americans working than ever before in our history, jobs are not a problem. So
why are you trying to make jobs a campaign issue in an economy with a shortage
of labor?

>>According
>> the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have programmers making 6
>> figure salaries all over the place. Hint: China mining raw materials
>> ie: lithium etc for batteries.

> Lithium mining by country:
>
>1 Australia
>2 Chile
>3 China
>4 Argentina
>5 Brazil
>6 Zimbabwe
>7 Portugal
>8 Canada
>
>https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/170661/five-major-
>lithium-producing-countries
>
>>
>> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>
>
> Trump had his chance gto "make
>America great" before, we got a
>failed wall, massive job losses,
>massive deficits, and hundreds of
>associates arrested. Time for a
>change.

The manufacturing recession of 2019 was a harbinger of a deeper recession to
come in 2020. But the pandemic beat it to the punch.

No matter how you slice it, the Biden administration has presided over the
creation of no less than 9 million new jobs. Enough new jobs to push the
participation rate up.

I recall the rate made great hay about the participation rate in the wake of
Bush's Great Recession. Now that the rate is rising, they seem uninterested in
discussing it.

Don't blink
<https://www.gocomics.com/tim-campbell/2024/07/26>

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On 8/28/24 11:26 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>
>>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>>> Sept 9 2020
>>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>>>
>>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>>> North Carolina, Virginia
>>> Sept 25, 2020
>>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>>>
>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>
>>> Federal spending went up every
>>> year under Trump.
>>>
>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>
>>> Except all the regulations
>>> Republicans want.
>>>
>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>
>>> Deficit explodes.
>>>
>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>
>>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>>> Trump-style
>>>
>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>
>>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>>>
>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>
>>> By playing nice with all the
>>> dictators who start them.
>>>
>>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>>
>>
>> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
>> whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
>> benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
>> working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
>> matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>> environment.
>>
>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>
>
> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
> 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at that level. Just because the
> leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>
> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised would appear after he
> cancelled say the Keystone pipeline?

"DOE Report Shows Clean Energy Jobs Grew at More Than Twice the Rate of
Overall U.S. Employment"

<https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-report-shows-clean-energy-jobs-grew-more-twice-rate-overall-us-employment>

FYI, before you try to pooh-pooh the raw number of job growth, do make
sure to keep it in context to your choice of comparison: the Keystone
pipeline. Its jobs creation numbers were vastly lower:

"In the report, the agency wrote that 10,400 estimated positions would
be for seasonal construction work lasting four to eight-month periods.
Since the State Department defines "job" as "one position that is filled
for 1 year," that would equate to approximately 3,900 jobs over a
two-year period."

<https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/01/22/keystone-pipeline-jobs-lost-joe-biden-executive-order-cancel-fact-check/6673822002/>

FWIW, I think I read someplace years ago that the number of permanent
full time jobs from Keystone was something like fourteen (14).

Likewise, from 2019, there's twice as many 'green' jobs vs fossil fuels:

"...U.S. Energy & Employment Report lists 2.39 million jobs in clean
energy generation and energy efficiency versus 1.23 million – half as
many – in fossil energy production."

<https://citizensclimatelobby.org/blog/policy/how-clean-energy-creates-more-jobs/>

> According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
> programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.

Got cite for who made this claim when?

In any event, it doesn't sound too far off to me, as per US News's
reported median value of $97,800 back in 2022:

<https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programmer/salary>

> Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>
> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>
> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>
> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>

I'm better off in the post-Trump era.

So just how specific do you want my specifics to be? I can say "lower
stress", but do I need to post my blood pressure scores to prove that?
Likewise, for fewer financial worries, our monthly budget? Or for an
improved net worth, is a percentage increase good enough, or do you want
exact balances with receipts and bank account numbers?

> The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say YES and then tell me
> SPECIFICALLY how.
>
> Maybe you can.

Done above, contingent on how unreasonable you try to set goalposts.
Naturally, you're insinuating that you're now worse off, so you'll need
to lead by example, with the level of specifics you're calling for
others to do, to avoid being a blatant hypocrite.

-hh

In article <vap214$3rm20$6@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>
> On 8/28/2024 10:12 PM, Anony-Mouse ? squat-to-piss faggot cocksucker who soon
> will be culled ? lied:
>
> > Siri Cruise wrote:
> >> John Smyth wrote:
> >>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
> >>
> >> Where's your data showing leases are always drilled drilled drilled to maximum
> >> capacity? If the lessee decides it is more profitable to sit on the lease to
> >> increase prices, what is DoI expected to do?
> >>
> >>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
> >>
> >> Who decide what is waste?
> >>
> >>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
> >>
> >> Where's your data linking regulation to inflation?
> >>
> >>> 4. Tax Cuts.
> >>
> >> Where's your data linking taxes to inflation?
> >>
> >>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
> >>
> >> How do you make exports more attractive to other countries and imports less
> >> attractive to Americans? Tax ant-cuts on imports?
> >>
> >>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
> >>
> >> How?
> >
> > First, you enforce existing federal law providing TEN YEAR FELONY penalties
> > for anyone harboring, hiring or housing the filthy illegal spics.
> >
> > You then militarize the border and set up machine gun emplacements. Kill
> > anyone tries to cross.
>
> *None* of that is going to happen, Anony-Mouse, you soon-to-be-culled feckless cunt.

Bring this culling bitch.

On 8/29/24 4:48 PM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>>> Oil is a global commodity. If we drill more, they drill
>>> less to keep the price/profit levels up. We saw this during the pandemic when
>>> Trump worked with Bin Salman and Putin to cut their oil production in order to
>>> force oil prices UP.
>>
>> What would help at least as much (and potentially more) is for local
>> 'green' generation (solar; wind), so as to displace the demand for oil,
>> so the "drill baby drill" is a deliberately incomplete policy plan.
>
> So is depending upon our enemy to build solar panels and wind
> generators for us.
>
> We should be going nuclear.
>

Yes, nuclear would be nice to see too, but its LCOE is very high, which
makes it economically non-competitive vs solar/wind/battery.

The latest numbers I've seen aren't accounting for more recent battery
cost declines, but it listed them as:

$155 for Nuclear
$41 Onshore Wind
$40 Solar Photovoltaic.

For general reference, Coal was $109.

Normalizing Nuclear as 1.00, that's

Coal: 0.70
Wind: 0.26
Solar: 0.26

TL;DR: you can have 4x more Wind/Solar capacity for the price of Nuclear.

This goes a long ways to paying for battery to bank power and level out
its lower supply availability...even before noting studies which have
concluded that it is (well, was - because of battery cost declines)
cheaper to overbuild and curtail generation than to have huge battery
power banking to bridge...IIRC, the report I read said "7x" effectively
eliminates the need for a huge battery - - think it was something like
reducing the battery capacity ~tenfold, from 96 hours to 10 hours.

-hh

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 21:27:49 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
wrote:

>pothead wrote:
>> Fair competition.
>> Compete on an even keel and we can all do well.

You would not lie it if we competed on an even keel. Our control of the global
money supply gives us a tremendous advantage. So too does the vast size of our
consumer market. Piss us off and we won't trade food to you for the cheap
clothes you make. We'll feed someone else for *their* cheap clothing.

Make no mistake, our food exports are a national security weapon.

>The USA cannot force other countries to run themselves to our
>benefit. This requires negotiating and obeying international trade
>agreements.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership
>
>After taking office, the newly elected President Donald Trump
>formally withdrew the United States from TPP in January 2017,
>therefore ensuring the TPP could not be ratified as required and
>did not enter into force.

When Trump came in, China was not part of TPP. In fact, the trade agreement was
seen as a way of insulating the western hemisphere and PacRim from Chinese trade
dominance. Unfortunately, by leaving the agreement, China stepped into TPP and
it is now an anti America trade agreement. One more time Trump has screwed our
long term future for short term gain.

>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>
>>> Not relevant.
>>
>> Are you kidding?
>
>How? Donfather did not before.

The GOP will not allow it. They are the party of business and business wants
cheap labor that need not comply with OSHA or other workplace standards.

>> Do you have any idea how much illegal immigration is costing the country?

Illegal immigration means a head of lettuce costs two dollars instead of four.

"When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien
living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as
yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus
19:33-34

>How much? Are you including taxes on farm profits?
>
>> They can only tax the legal citizens so much and at some point, like all socialist regimes, they
>> will run out of people who can pay the bills.
>
>Permanent residents pay the same taxes. Every body with a salary
>pays FICA. Everybody who buys anything pays sales tax.
>
>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>
>>> Oil prices? Iran comes to mind, but the Middle East remains only at
>>> proxy-war level.
>>
>> We need to stop financing our enemies just so they can buy armaments and fire them back at us.

Arms are a very important export. The US provides as much as 40% of global
trade in arms. The U.S. accounts for more than 40% of the planet’s weapons
exports. $100 to $200 billion U.S. dollars are pocketed in arms sales each year,
and that number is gradually increasing year over year.

Once you've gutted our arms exports, explain to the People why you've added a
full point to the unemployment rate and bankrupted dozens of arms component
suppliers.

Then realize that the world is still buying the same amount of weapons, they're
just buying them from somebody else. Like China.

>Which enemies?

Pothead, who won't see this post because he has me killfiled.

>> Under Trump Iran was pretty much bankrupt and in a box.
>> Biden comes along, unfreezes assests, relaxes their ability to sell oil and look what happened.
>
>As required by our laws and international agreements. You want to
>trash the Constitution so no surprise you want the country to
>commit thievery.
>
>> They are now behind the proxy wars.
>
>So? You do not understand national sovereignty. Iran does not need
>our permission to run its own affairs.

If Trump had not broken the agreement, Iran would be unable to assist Russia
because it would have been on a path to normalization with the west for the past
15 years.

>> Yet another moronic decision by the Biden administration.
>
>To not steal money?
>
>> We need to end these wars.
>> Settle them once and for all.

Nukes? How do you propose the United States stop other countries from warring
on each other? How will we stop the civil wars in Yemen or Sudan?

>How? How do we force whom to stop which war? To we invade and
>fight a war to force whomever to obey our will?
>
>> The cost is draining our economy and is putting us in grave danger due to depletion of our own
>> weapons.
>>
>> The bottom line is Joe Biden was handed a country that considering COVID, was recovering quite well
>> and he screwed it up.
>> Every decision he has made has caused more harm than good and if Kamala Harris somehow manages to
>> get elected we will be sunk.

You are as full of shit as a thanksgiving turkey. Trump screwed up decades of
national security policy.

>And you are still an ungoodthink duckspeaker.

She isn't half as bright as she thinks she is.

Black job
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On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
> [erase neo-Nazi bullshit]

No, asshole. Trump isn't talking about "lowering inflation" — it's already low.

Trump is talking bullshit about lowering *prices*, aka *deflation*. He can't do
it and it would cause a depression if he tried it.

--
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 01:12:15 -0400, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:

>First, you enforce existing federal law providing TEN YEAR FELONY penalties
>for anyone harboring, hiring or housing the filthy illegal spics.

The Democrats tried to impose severe penalties on employers hiring illegals in
the 1986 bill but the Republicans, at the behest of the US Chamber of Commerce,
watered it down to no more than a slap on the wrist on the rare occasions the
law was enforced at all.

The Republicans have since shot down at least six attempts at border security
and immigration control including Trump's wall, two attempts by Biden to
increase border security and deportations and two recent bills shot down by the
Republican House including a bill of their own.

But keep voting Republican. Maybe in another thirty years they'll do for
immigration what they did for abortion.

Spitball fight
<https://www.gocomics.com/tim-campbell/2024/08/08>
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compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

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On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <mgcvcjhnl5dtnr0osk4ia9vqjc3l1mn4ij@4ax.com>,
> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>
>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>> >
>> >2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>> >
>> >3. Regulation Cuts.
>> >
>> >4. Tax Cuts.
>> >
>> >5. Rebalance Trade.
>> >
>> >6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>> >
>> >7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>
>>
>> What possesses you to think that this nationalist bullshit will work
>> in a global economy, dummy? That's what you MAGA people don't get,
>> not all of the world is rural America, not even urban America is such.
>>
>>
>> >So where is Kamala Harris's plan?
>> >Her website seems to be nothing but multiple donate here buttons.
>>
>>
>> Her plan is to keep the ship afloat, something DJT will surely not do.
>
> Nice spin. The ship has already sunk.

Indeed.
At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.

--
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Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <m5g0djl9edob42mqricddm9d1ok5n68nr8@4ax.com>,
> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 01:19:17 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >> On 8/28/2024 5:41 PM, pothead wrote:
>> >>> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <nowa>>>> Haven't heard a lot about that dead person either. MAGA
>> >is far more worried
>> >>>>> about the election than about any innocent bystander.y@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
>> >>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nobody is saying to abandon renewable energy but don't shutdown fossil fuel production until we
>> >>> have viable alternatives and truly accurate studies that determine the true impact of fossil fuels
>> >>> and man on the environment.
>> >>> Right now we have nothing of the sort.
>> >>>
>> >>> And how does it make sense for th US to close down fossil fuel operations just to buy oil etc from
>> >>> other countries?
>> >>> Really?
>> >>> That is not only embarrassing but it's dangerous and massively ignorant.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
>> >>>
>> >>> Wrong.
>> >>> Printing money and spending it like crazy on idiotic programs like DEI for example causes inflation
>> >>> to rise.
>> >>
>> >> How much of the budget is spent on DEI?
>> >>
>> >>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Perhaps could increase supply (or not), but no details, more bromide.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nope.
>> >>> Excess regulations raises prices and thus the cost to the consumer. It also stunts innovation and
>> >>> product development.
>> >>> The democrats thrive on regulation, many of them overbearing and useless.
>> >>> Right now California is like one huge HOA run by a team of Karens.
>> >>> That's one reason why businesses and people as well are leaving the state.
>> >>
>> >> No details means it is bromide (and we can't evaluate its impact).
>> >>
>> >>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That spurs inflation (increases demand).
>> >>>
>> >>> Tell it to Kamala then.
>> >>> It's part of her plan even though we have been hearing tax cuts for the middle class from the
>> >>> democrats for decades.
>> >>> More money in the people's pocket means more spending and purchasing.
>> >>
>> >> More demand pushes prices up.
>> >>
>> >>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tariffs? That spurs inflation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Fair competition.
>> >>> Compete on an even keel and we can all do well.
>> >>> Devalue your currency, like China, and flood the market and we have a problem.
>> >>> And just wait until cheap EV begin flooding the US. If Kamala is in office she will probably
>> >>> welcome each one with a big blue ribbon stuck to the hood. And of course China will also be very
>> >>> happy to sell us the raw materials to manufacture batteries, solar panels and so forth as well.
>> >>> It's a variation on the give them the razor cheap and gouge them on the blades.
>> >>> They are shrewd and Biden and his lackeys are idiots.
>> >>
>> >> Fair competition or not, it's inflationary.
>> >>
>> >>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Not relevant.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you kidding?
>> >>>
>> >>> Do you have any idea how much illegal immigration is costing the country?
>> >>> Where is this money coming from?
>> >>> They can only tax the legal citizens so much and at some point, like all socialist regimes, they
>> >>> will run out of people who can pay the bills.
>> >>
>> >> Tell us, how much does illegal immigration cost the country. Don't
>> >> forget to include the production from and taxes paid by unauthorized
>> >> workers.
>> >>
>> >>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Oil prices? Iran comes to mind, but the Middle East remains only at
>> >>>> proxy-war level.
>> >>>
>> >>> We need to stop financing our enemies just so they can buy armaments and fire them back at us.
>> >>> Under Trump Iran was pretty much bankrupt and in a box.
>> >>> Biden comes along, unfreezes assests, relaxes their ability to sell oil and look what happened.
>> >>> They are now behind the proxy wars.
>> >>> Yet another moronic decision by the Biden administration.
>> >>>
>> >>> We need to end these wars.
>> >>> Settle them once and for all.
>> >>> The cost is draining our economy and is putting us in grave danger due to depletion of our own
>> >>> weapons.
>> >>
>> >> How do we end the wars?
>> >
>> >We agree to disagree.
>> >Let's leave it at that.
>> >I've stated my points and you can agree or disagree.
>> >Either is fine.
>>
>> Translation: "I have no way of refuting your points."
>>
>>
> What points?

Exactly.
I've replied to these questions many times already.
Trump's plans are solid and make sense.
Kamala Harris has no plan She talks platitudes and happy, happy, joy, joy word salad.
The one plan she did sort of announce, price controls, got lambasted by both the left and right
because it is ridiculous and dangerous.

She knows absolutely nothing about how the economy works and she, by being the deciding vote on the
inflation reduction act, among others, is a direct cause of inflation itself.

--
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Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
>> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
>>
>>
>> Reference the thread you're talking about.
>
> The one you ran from.

Several times in fact.
I stopped asking because he is clearly mentally ill.

--
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Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <vap1th$3rm20$5@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 8/28/2024 10:06 PM, pothead wrote:
>> > On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>> >>>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>> >>>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>> >>>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>> >>>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>> >>>> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
>> >>>> whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
>> >>>> benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
>> >>>> working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
>> >>>> matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>> >>>> environment.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>> >>>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>> >>>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>> >>>> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>> >>> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
>> >>> 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at that level. Just because the
>> >>> leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
>> >>> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>> >>>
>> >>> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised would appear after he
>> >>> cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
>> >>> programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.
>> >>> Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>> >>>
>> >>> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>> >>> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>> >>>
>> >>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>> >>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>> >>>
>> >>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>> >>>
>> >>> The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say YES and then tell me
>> >>> SPECIFICALLY how.
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe you can.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ball is in your court Joel.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I can tell you: I live in a blue part of a blue state. We're better
>> >> off, because our guy won. That's what this is really about, the fact
>> >> that we can't go in both directions at once. Trump is not just a
>> >> threat to some people's economics, though, but to democracy itself. I
>> >> don't accept that he's fit to be a dictator, nor that we'd accept that
>> >> vision of it to begin with, it's nothing but his greed for power, and
>> >> people's stupidity in wanting him to have it.
>> >>
>> >
>> > So you can give no specifics.
>>
>> What more specifics do you want? Trump is fascist filth. That's the beginning
>> and end of it.
>
> as the country goes down the sewer.

Faster than a meal at Taco Bell.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <XnsB1DD4B1A031E2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>> news:vaopor$3qtg1$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>> >>>
>> >>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>> >>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>> >>> Sept 9 2020
>> >>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>> >>>
>> >>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>> >>> North Carolina, Virginia
>> >>> Sept 25, 2020
>> >>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>> >>>
>> >>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>> >>>
>> >>> Federal spending went up every
>> >>>year under Trump.
>> >>>
>> >>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>> >>>
>> >>> Except all the regulations
>> >>>Republicans want.
>> >>>
>> >>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>> >>>
>> >>> Deficit explodes.
>> >>>
>> >>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>> >>>
>> >>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>> >>>Trump-style
>> >>>
>> >>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>> >>>
>> >>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>> >>>
>> >>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>> >>>
>> >>> By playing nice with all the
>> >>>dictators who start them.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>> >> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>> >> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>> >> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>> >> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>> >> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble,
>> >> or whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who
>> >> directly benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a
>> >> lot, the working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies
>> >> that it matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global
>> >> economic environment.
>> >>
>> >> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>> >> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>> >> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>> >> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>> >>
>> >
>> > 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>>
>>
>> Indeed. Booming stock market, low
>> unemployment, factories opening up
>> everywhere, vacation spending up.
>> Who will save from this catastrophe?
>>
>>
>>
>> > 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it.
>>
>>
>> Show us the authority of a vice
>> president to do anything.
>>
>>
>> > She has done
>> > nothing. 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping
>> > anyone at that level. Just because the leaders of a particular union
>> > support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
>> > candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>> >
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/united-auto-workers-union-endorses-
>> harris-bid-president-2024-07-31/
>>
>>
>> > So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised
>> > would appear after he cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According
>> > the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have programmers making 6
>> > figure salaries all over the place. Hint: China mining raw materials
>> > ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lithium mining by country:
>>
>> 1 Australia
>> 2 Chile
>> 3 China
>> 4 Argentina
>> 5 Brazil
>> 6 Zimbabwe
>> 7 Portugal
>> 8 Canada
>>
>> https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/170661/five-major-
>> lithium-producing-countries
>>
>> >
>> > You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>> > You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>>
>>
>> Trump had his chance gto "make
>> America great" before, we got a
>> failed wall, massive job losses,
>> massive deficits, and hundreds of
>> associates arrested. Time for a
>> change.
>>
>
> To what? High prices? More crime and wars? You have had over 3 years to
> make a "change">

The libbys pretend they have an answer for everything but as usual they can't see the forest for
the trees.

None of this misery we are in started under Trump.

Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%

No wars.
No 12 million or more illegal migrants.
No lost, unaccounted for 300,000 migrant children.
Low crime.
No cities falling apart fiscally and quality of life wise like NYC or SF.
The list is endless.

Life under Trump, COVID aside, was good.
Life under Biden/Harris is absolutely miserable.

And all of a sudden Harris claims she is going to fix the mess that she caused.
The last person in the room hasn't got a clue and the voters will not be fooled.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <mgcvcjhnl5dtnr0osk4ia9vqjc3l1mn4ij@4ax.com>,
>> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >So where is Kamala Harris's plan?
>>> >Her website seems to be nothing but multiple donate here buttons.
>>>
>>> Her plan is to keep the ship afloat, something DJT will surely not do.
>>
>> Nice spin. The ship has already sunk.
>
>Indeed.
>At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
>damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.

You guys are pwned by DJT, the botnet. Congrats.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
>> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
>>> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
>>>
>>> Reference the thread you're talking about.
>>
>> The one you ran from.
>
>Several times in fact.
>I stopped asking because he is clearly mentally ill.

You know, guys, that my sig has a reference to the abortion decision.
Is that not a "right taken away", pray tell?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.