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Subject: History of DDT ocean dumping off L.A. coast even worse than expected, EPA finds
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Subject: History of DDT ocean dumping off L.A. coast even worse than expected, EPA finds
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After an exhaustive historical investigation into the barrels of DDT waste
reportedly dumped decades ago near Catalina Island, federal regulators
concluded that the toxic pollution in the deep ocean could be far worse �
and far more sweeping � than what scientists anticipated.

In internal memos made public recently, officials from the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency determined that acid waste from the
nation�s largest manufacturer of DDT � a pesticide so powerful it poisoned
birds and fish � had not been contained in hundreds of thousands of sealed
barrels.

Most of the waste, according to newly unearthed information, had been
poured directly into the ocean from massive tank barges.

Although shipping records noted the number of discarded barrels,
regulators say the word �barrel� appeared to refer to a unit of volume,
rather than a physical barrel. Further review of old records revealed that
other chemicals � as well as millions of tons of oil drilling waste � had
also been dumped decades ago in more than a dozen areas off the Southern
California coast.

�That�s pretty jaw-dropping in terms of the volumes and quantities of
various contaminants that were dispersed in the ocean,� said John
Chesnutt, a Superfund section manager who has been leading the EPA�s
technical team on the investigation. �This also begs the question: So
what�s in the barrels? � There�s still so much we don�t know.�

These revelations build on much-needed research into DDT�s toxic � and
insidious � legacy in California. As many as half a million barrels of DDT
waste have not been accounted for in the deep ocean, according to old
reports and a UC Santa Barbara study that provided the first real glimpse
into how the Los Angeles coast became a chemical dumping ground.

Public calls for action have intensified since The Times reported that
dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, banned in 1972, is still haunting the
marine environment today. California sea lions, critically endangered
condors, as well as multiple generations of women continue to be affected
by this pesticide in mysterious ways. Numerous federal, state and local
agencies have since joined with scientists and environmental nonprofits to
figure out what�s going on 3,000 feet underwater.

Here�s what we know about the legacy of DDT dumping off L.A.�s coast
DDT was banned 50 years ago, but its toxic legacy continues to affect the
California marine ecosystem and threaten various animal species.

May 6, 2024

A team led by the Scripps Institution of Oceanography jumped into action
last year and started mapping the dumpsite with advanced technology. Other
expeditions helped pull deep-sea sediment samples, and dozens of
researchers have convened to discuss how to fill the most critical data
gaps. Congress, at the urging of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), has
allocated $5.6 million to work on the issue. Gov. Gavin Newsom, in his
finalized budget, just matched the federal funding with another $5.6
million.

The scope of the pollution has turned out to be startling. In the process
of trying to figure out how much DDT was dumped into the deep ocean,
regulators discovered that from the 1930s to the early 1970s, 13 other
areas off the Southern California coast had also been approved for dumping
of military explosives, radioactive waste, and various chemical and
refinery byproducts � including 3 million metric tons of petroleum waste.

Very little is known about these deep-water disposals beyond a grainy map
from a 1973 technical report that labeled each dumpsite with a tiny dot or
square.

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There are 14 ocean dumpsites off the Southern California coast, according
to a map from a 1973 technical report that was recently rediscovered.
(Southern California Coastal Water Research Project )
�The fact that here we are, more than 50 years later, and we don�t even
know what�s in the 14 dumpsites other than a summary from a report in 1973
from the Southern California Coastal Water Research Project? That�s just
not acceptable,� said Mark Gold, who has followed the DDT problem as a
marine scientist since the 1990s and currently serves as Newsom�s deputy
secretary for coastal and ocean policy. �It really makes you question: OK,
how big of a problem is deep-water ocean dumping � along not just the
California coast, but nationwide?�

Gold noted that there are also more shallow areas off the Palos Verdes
coast and at the mouth of the Dominguez Channel that have been known DDT
hot spots for decades. Figuring out how to clean up those contaminated
areas in an underwater environment has been its own complicated saga.

Records also indicate there might actually be two DDT dumpsites, dubbed
Dumpsite 1 and Dumpsite 2, because the company in charge of the disposal
may have decided to dump in an area different from where it was supposed
to.

The dumping appears to be sloppy: The Scripps expedition spent two weeks
mapping a swath of seafloor larger than the city of San Francisco, but it
could find no outer boundary to Dumpsite 2. Initial sonar surveys suggest
there still could be thousands of physical barrels underwater filled with
who knows what.

As for the mystery of the DDT barrels, regulators combed old aerial photos
of the Montrose Chemical Corp. plant near Torrance and the berth from
which the waste haulers set sail. They called on every possible government
agency to dig up its records and considered all the logistics that would
have gone into transporting half a million physical barrels at the time.

Finally, they called up a retired EPA investigator who had been in charge
of looking into the deep-sea DDT dumping. He explained that in the 1940s
and �50s, local government agencies had asked waste haulers to report
their quantities of waste with a default unit of measurement: barrels.

The exact volume remains unclear, but the standard at the time ranged from
42 to 55 gallons per barrel depending on the industry. It�s also likely
that there were rounding errors when the companies converted their massive
tanks of waste into barrels, and that more chemicals were dumped than
logged.

Regardless of how the waste got dumped into the ocean, sediment samples so
far show that a lot of DDT is clearly down there. The big question now is
whether the chemicals have been sequestered or embedded into the seafloor
well enough to prevent them from remobilizing � or whether they have been
recirculating in a way that threatens human health and California�s marine
environment.

The EPA has been meeting regularly with key state and federal agencies
(�the Collaborating Agencies�) and with numerous scientists to determine
how to focus additional sampling and analysis. In the spirit of
transparency and coordination, an online records repository was recently
created to help inform the ongoing research as much as possible.

Given the intense interest in the DDT dumpsite, some hope the
groundbreaking research now underway could help regulators address the
larger toxic legacy of deep-ocean dumping.

�There�s not an environmental program, particularly at the federal level,
that was designed to address the challenges, the circumstances that these
disposal sites pose,� said John Lyons, acting deputy director of the EPA�s
Region 9 Superfund Division. �What the Collaborating Agencies are doing is
molding and bending some of our existing program to put together this
initial investigation, with the hope that it can inform how future
investigations of the other sites � whether in Southern California or
around the country � may be formed and conducted.�

Allan Chartrand, an ecotoxicologist who first estimated the extent of the
DDT dumping in the 1980s, said it has been heartening to see so many
puzzle pieces from the past finally coming together.

�It�s time to do something,� said Chartrand, who urged everyone working on
the issue to start gathering the additional data necessary to take more
targeted action. �There�s tons of [DDT] out there, and we haven�t done
anything about it.�

David Valentine, the UC Santa Barbara scientist whose research team first
came across dozens of mysterious barrels underwater, said that not having
a physical object to search for makes the issue more complicated � and
even more concerning. If highly acidic DDT waste wasn�t considered too bad
to dump straight into the ocean, he wondered, what could�ve been worse
that had to be put into an actual barrel?

�Maybe some of those barrels were the bad batches � but we don�t really
know. It could be a whole lot of other stuff too,� said Valentine, who has
been thinking through the next steps for research � in the field and in
the lab.

He recently convened more than 50 scientists, regulators and environmental
nonprofits in a conference to share ideas. Oceanographers explained how
the DDT waste could move up and down the water column � and perhaps even
out of Southern California waters � depending on the currents and ocean
physics, as well as the particle size and density. Marine chemists
discussed how the waste could react differently with the water depending
on its acidity. Ecotoxicologists traded notes with human toxicologists,
and everyone asked policymakers what kind of science would be helpful in
their efforts to take action.


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Subject: Re: History of DDT ocean dumping off L.A. coast even worse than expected, EPA finds
From: pothead
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On 2024-08-18, useapen <yourdime@outlook.com> wrote:
> After an exhaustive historical investigation into the barrels of DDT waste
> reportedly dumped decades ago near Catalina Island, federal regulators
> concluded that the toxic pollution in the deep ocean could be far worse —
> and far more sweeping — than what scientists anticipated.
>
> In internal memos made public recently, officials from the U.S.
> Environmental Protection Agency determined that acid waste from the
> nation’s largest manufacturer of DDT — a pesticide so powerful it poisoned
> birds and fish — had not been contained in hundreds of thousands of sealed
> barrels.
>
> Most of the waste, according to newly unearthed information, had been
> poured directly into the ocean from massive tank barges.
>
> Although shipping records noted the number of discarded barrels,
> regulators say the word “barrel” appeared to refer to a unit of volume,
> rather than a physical barrel. Further review of old records revealed that
> other chemicals — as well as millions of tons of oil drilling waste — had
> also been dumped decades ago in more than a dozen areas off the Southern
> California coast.
>
> “That’s pretty jaw-dropping in terms of the volumes and quantities of
> various contaminants that were dispersed in the ocean,” said John
> Chesnutt, a Superfund section manager who has been leading the EPA’s
> technical team on the investigation. “This also begs the question: So
> what’s in the barrels? … There’s still so much we don’t know.”
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>
> https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-08-04/ddt-ocean-dumping-in-
> l-a-even-worse-than-expected

Well that might explain why people from CA are so fucked in the head.
Most democrats are but CA takes it to a whole different level.

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Kamala Harris = Four More Years Of Obama.
Send Her To The Curb.
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