On March 30, 2009, President Obama laid out a framework for General Motors
to achieve viability that required the Company to rework its business plan,
accelerate its operational restructuring and make far greater reductions in
its outstanding liabilities.

The U.S. government spent $50 billion to bail out GM, meaning it recovered
77.6 percent of its investment amount.

The U.S. government lost $11.2 billion on its bailout of General Motors Co ,
more than the $10.3 billion the Treasury Department estimated when it sold
its remaining GM shares in December.

General Motors will pay nearly $146 million in penalties to the federal
government because 5.9 million of its older vehicles do not comply with
emissions and fuel economy standards.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in a statement
Wednesday that certain GM vehicles from the 2012 through 2018 model years
did not comply with federal fuel economy requirements.

The penalty comes after the Environmental Protection Agency said its testing
showed the GM pickup trucks and SUVs emit over 10% more carbon dioxide on
average than GM’s initial compliance testing claimed.

The EPA says the vehicles will remain on the road and cannot be repaired.

The GM vehicles on average consume at least 10% more fuel than the window
sticker numbers say, but the company won’t be required to reduce the miles
per gallon on the stickers, the EPA said.

“Our investigation has achieved accountability and upholds an important
program that’s reducing air pollution and protecting communities across the
country,” EPA Administrator Michael Regan said.

GM said in a statement that it complied with all regulations in pollution
and mileage certification of its vehicles.

The company said it is not admitting to any wrongdoing nor that it failed to
comply with the Clean Air Act.

The problem stems from a change in testing procedures that the EPA put in
place in 2016, GM spokesman Bill Grotz said.

Owners don’t have to take any action because there is no defect in the
vehicles, Grotz said.

“We believe this voluntary action is the best course of action to resolve
the outstanding issues with the federal government,” he said.

The enforcement action involves about 4.6 million full-size pickups and SUVs
and about 1.3 million midsize SUVs, the EPA said.

The affected models include the Chevy Tahoe, Cadillac Escalade and Chevy
Silverado. About 40 variations of GM vehicles are covered.

GM will be forced to give up credits used to ensure that manufacturers’
greenhouse gas emissions are below the fleet standard for emissions that
applies for that model year, the EPA said.

In a quarterly filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, GM said
it expects the total cost to resolve the matter will be $490 million.

Because GM agreed to address the excess emissions, EPA said it was not
necessary to make a formal determination regarding the reasons for the
excess pollution.

But David Cooke, senior vehicles analyst for the Union of Concerned
Scientists, questioned how GM could not know that pollution exceeded initial
test by more than 10% because the problem was so widespread on so many
different vehicles.

“You don’t just make a more than 10% rounding error,” he said.

Dan Becker, director of the Safe Climate Transport Campaign for the
environmental group Center for Biological Diversity, said the violations by
GM “show why automakers can’t be trusted to protect our air and health, and
why we need strong pollution rules. Supreme Court, take notice!”

In similar pollution cases in the past, automakers have been fined under the
Clean Air Act for such violations, and the Justice Department normally gets
involved, Cooke said.

Hyundai and Kia, for instance, faced Justice Department action in a similar
case.

The Justice Department declined to comment, and GM said the settlement
resolves all government claims.

Cooke said it’s possible that GM owners could sue the company because they
are getting lower gas mileage than advertised.

In 2014, Hyundai and Kia entered into a settlement in which they had to pay
a $100 million civil penalty to end a two year investigation into overstated
gas mileage on window stickers of 1.2 million vehicles.

The affiliated Korean automakers denied allegations that they violated the
law.

Hyundai blamed the inflated mileage on honest misinterpretation of the EPA’s
complex rules governing testing.

In 2015, Volkswagen admitted it intentionally rigged nearly half a million
cars to defeat U.S. smog tests.

The German company admitted that it intentionally installed software
programed to “defeat” emissions testing, enabling cars to drive more
powerfully on the road while emitting as much as 40 times the legal
pollution limit.

The scandal cost Volkswagen more than $30 billion in fines and settlements
and saw two U.S. executives sent to prison.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/03/us-news/gm-will-pay-146-million-in-penalties-
because-5-9-million-older-vehicles-emit-excess-carbon-dioxide/

The Obama legacy is a never ending parade of environmental and social
fuckups.

On 2024-07-04 10:27:20 +0000, Yet Another Obama Failure said:

> https://nypost.com/2024/07/03/us-news/gm-will-pay-146-million-in-penalties-
> because-5-9-million-older-vehicles-emit-excess-carbon-dioxide/
>
> The Obama legacy is a never ending parade of environmental and social
> fuckups.

Meanwhile the rightwing opposes every progressive emissions and fuel
economy standard that's proposed, try cleaning up your own backyard
first.

>On March 30, 2009, President Obama laid out a framework for General Motors
>to achieve viability that required the Company to rework its business plan,
>accelerate its operational restructuring and make far greater reductions in
>its outstanding liabilities.
>

Once again the deep state is to blame for the failure of a capitalist
American corporation, proving again that millions already believe it will be
a total disaster if doesn't go to prison, ducks fly out of your butthole and
Trump flukes into an election win.

Many Trump era cars are electric and that's driven him insane. His suicide
attempts gain in number.

>Meanwhile the rightwing opposes every progressive emissions and fuel
>economy standard that's proposed, try cleaning up your own backyard
>first.

Republicans believe that only government can save capitalism.

On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:59 -0500, super70s
<super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

>On 2024-07-04 10:27:20 +0000, Yet Another Obama Failure said:
>
>> https://nypost.com/2024/07/03/us-news/gm-will-pay-146-million-in-penalties-
>> because-5-9-million-older-vehicles-emit-excess-carbon-dioxide/
>>
>> The Obama legacy is a never ending parade of environmental and social
>> fuckups.
>
>Meanwhile the rightwing opposes every progressive emissions and fuel
>economy standard that's proposed, try cleaning up your own backyard
>first.

Which of course has zero to do with Obama's failure in this matter.
Don't look over here - look over there!

On 7/4/2024 7:37 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:59 -0500, super70s
> <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-07-04 10:27:20 +0000, Yet Another Obama Failure said:
>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2024/07/03/us-news/gm-will-pay-146-million-in-penalties-
>>> because-5-9-million-older-vehicles-emit-excess-carbon-dioxide/
>>>
>>> The Obama legacy is a never ending parade of environmental and social
>>> fuckups.
>>
>> Meanwhile the rightwing opposes every progressive emissions and fuel
>> economy standard that's proposed, try cleaning up your own backyard
>> first.
>
> Which of course has zero to do with Obama's failure in this matter.
> Don't look over here - look over there!

Left nuts just hate being reminded of Obama's environmental failures.

troll

super70s wrote:
> On 2024-07-04 10:27:20 +0000, Yet Another Obama Failure said:
>
>> https://nypost.com/2024/07/03/us-news/gm-will-pay-146-million-in-penalties-
>>
>> because-5-9-million-older-vehicles-emit-excess-carbon-dioxide/
>>
>> The Obama legacy is a never ending parade of environmental and social
>> fuckups.
>
> Meanwhile the rightwing opposes every progressive emissions and fuel
> economy standard that's proposed, try cleaning up your own backyard
> first.
>

Ever notice the tyrannical Democrats never put emission and fuel
economy standards on the globalist billionaires and their private gas
guzzling jets?
Why is that?

Clearly a Gulfstream G550 burns way more fuel than Bubba's SUV.

Another case of rules for thee but not for me?

The government is to blame for all capitalist failures, especially Trump's:

Here Are All of Trump�s Bankruptcies and Failed Businesses

Donald Trump loves to talk big about how great he is at business. His
record says otherwise.

Trump�s failed businesses:

1. Trump Steaks

2. GoTrump

3. Trump Airlines

4. Trump Vodka

5. Trump Mortgage

6. Trump: The Game

7. Trump Magazine

8. Trump University

9. Trump Ice

10. The New Jersey Generals

11. Tour de Trump

12. Trump Network

13. Trumped!

Trump companies that sought bankruptcy protection:

1. Trump Taj Mahal

2. Trump�s Castle

3. Trump Plaza Casinos

4. Trump Plaza Hotel

5. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts

6. Trump Entertainment Resorts

This is the guy Republicans want leading America�s economy?

In article <v69bl8$3cmog$1@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com wrote:

>The government is to blame for all capitalist failures, especially Trump's:
>
>Here Are All of Trump�s Bankruptcies and Failed Businesses
>
> [...]
>
>This is the guy Republicans want leading America�s economy?

We had four years of prosperity when Trump was president; DoJ-certified
imbecile Resident Joke Biden gave us a bad economy with out-of-control
inflation.

--
Let's go Brandon!

On 7/29/2024 6:54 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> In article <v69bl8$3cmog$1@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com wrote:
>
>> The government is to blame for all capitalist failures, especially Trump's:
>>
>> Here Are All of Trump’s Bankruptcies and Failed Businesses
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> This is the guy Republicans want leading America’s economy?
>
> We had four years of prosperity when Trump was president

We had four years of an assault on the rule of law when Trump was president.

OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
> On 7/29/2024 6:54 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> In article <v69bl8$3cmog$1@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com wrote:
>>
>>> The government is to blame for all capitalist failures, especially
>>> Trump's:
>>>
>>> Here Are All of Trump’s Bankruptcies and Failed Businesses
>>>
>>>     [...]
>>>
>>> This is the guy Republicans want leading America’s economy?
>>
>> We had four years of prosperity when Trump was president
>
> We had four years of an assault on the rule of law when Trump was
> president.
>
That's a despicable lie.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

Trump Administration Accomplishments
Share:
Unprecedented Economic Boom
Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most
prosperous economy.

America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government
experts’ projections.
Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five
times the gains during the entire previous administration.
The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160
million.
Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the
population hit its lowest on record.
Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the
first time in nearly 3 decades.
Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of
all backgrounds.

Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian
Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities,
and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached
record lows.
Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount
in over a decade.
The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase
in net worth.
Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent
pay increase.
African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.
Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas.
Small business optimism broke a 35-year old record in 2018.
Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.

The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000
in 2020.
The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.
Rebuilding and investing in rural America.

Signed an Executive Order on Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for
Agricultural Biotechnology Products, which is bringing innovative new
technologies to market in American farming and agriculture.
Strengthened America’s rural economy by investing over $1.3 billion
through the Agriculture Department’s ReConnect Program to bring
high-speed broadband infrastructure to rural America.
Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.

An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they
were better off during a pandemic than four years prior.
During the third quarter of 2020, the economy grew at a rate of 33.1
percent – the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded.
Since coronavirus lockdowns ended, the economy has added back over 12
million jobs, more than half the jobs lost.
Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous
administration’s recovery.
Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of
14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent
unemployment through the end of 2020.
Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the
unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to
just 3 months for the Trump Administration.
Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent,
Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American
unemployment by 6.8 percent.
80 percent of small businesses are now open, up from just 53 percent in
April.
Small business confidence hit a new high.
Homebuilder confidence reached an all-time high, and home sales hit
their highest reading since December 2006.
Manufacturing optimism nearly doubled.
Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an
all-time high.
Home prices hit an all-time record high.
The United States rejected crippling lockdowns that crush the economy
and inflict countless public health harms and instead safely reopened
its economy.
Business confidence is higher in America than in any other G7 or
European Union country.
Stabilized America’s financial markets with the establishment of a
number of Treasury Department supported facilities at the Federal Reserve.
Tax Relief for the Middle Class
Passed $3.2 trillion in historic tax relief and reformed the tax code.

Signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – the largest tax reform package in
history.
More than 6 million American workers received wage increases, bonuses,
and increased benefits thanks to the tax cuts.
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of
more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.
Doubled the standard deduction – making the first $24,000 earned by a
married couple completely tax-free.
Doubled the child tax credit.
Virtually eliminated the unfair Estate Tax, or Death Tax.
Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed
world – all the way down to 21 percent.
Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
Businesses can now deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital
investments in the year the investment is made.
Since the passage of tax cuts, the share of total wealth held by the
bottom half of households has increased, while the share held by the top
1 percent has decreased.
Over 400 companies have announced bonuses, wage increases, new hires, or
new investments in the United States.
Over $1.5 trillion was repatriated into the United States from overseas.
Lower investment cost and higher capital returns led to faster growth in
the middle class, real wages, and international competitiveness.
Jobs and investments are pouring into Opportunity Zones.

Created nearly 9,000 Opportunity Zones where capital gains on long-term
investments are taxed at zero.
Opportunity Zone designations have increased property values within them
by 1.1 percent, creating an estimated $11 billion in wealth for the
nearly half of Opportunity Zone residents who own their own home.
Opportunity Zones have attracted $75 billion in funds and driven $52
billion of new investment in economically distressed communities,
creating at least 500,000 new jobs.
Approximately 1 million Americans will be lifted from poverty as a
result of these new investments.
Private equity investments into businesses in Opportunity Zones were
nearly 30 percent higher than investments into businesses in similar
areas that were not designated Opportunity Zones.
Massive Deregulation
Ended the regulatory assault on American Businesses and Workers.

Instead of 2-for-1, we eliminated 8 old regulations for every 1 new
regulation adopted.
Provided the average American household an extra $3,100 every year.
Reduced the direct cost of regulatory compliance by $50 billion, and
will reduce costs by an additional $50 billion in FY 2020 alone.
Removed nearly 25,000 pages from the Federal Register – more than any
other president. The previous administration added over 16,000 pages.
Established the Governors’ Initiative on Regulatory Innovation to reduce
outdated regulations at the state, local, and tribal levels.
Signed an executive order to make it easier for businesses to offer
retirement plans.
Signed two executive orders to increase transparency in Federal agencies
and protect Americans and their small businesses from administrative abuse.
Modernized the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) for the first
time in over 40 years.
Reduced approval times for major infrastructure projects from 10 or more
years down to 2 years or less.
Helped community banks by signing legislation that rolled back costly
provisions of Dodd-Frank.
Established the White House Council on Eliminating Regulatory Barriers
to Affordable Housing to bring down housing costs.
Removed regulations that threatened the development of a strong and
stable internet.
Eased and simplified restrictions on rocket launches, helping to spur
commercial investment in space projects.
Published a whole-of-government strategy focused on ensuring American
leadership in automated vehicle technology.
Streamlined energy efficiency regulations for American families and
businesses, including preserving affordable lightbulbs, enhancing the
utility of showerheads, and enabling greater time savings with dishwashers.
Removed unnecessary regulations that restrict the seafood industry and
impede job creation.
Modernized the Department of Agriculture’s biotechnology regulations to
put America in the lead to develop new technologies.
Took action to suspend regulations that would have slowed our response
to COVID-19, including lifting restrictions on manufacturers to more
quickly produce ventilators.
Successfully rolled back burdensome regulatory overreach.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 10:09:39 -0700, OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> wrote:

>On 7/29/2024 6:54 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> In article <v69bl8$3cmog$1@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com wrote:
>>
>>> The government is to blame for all capitalist failures, especially Trump's:
>>>
>>> Here Are All of Trump’s Bankruptcies and Failed Businesses
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> This is the guy Republicans want leading America’s economy?
>>
>> We had four years of prosperity when Trump was president
>
>We had four years of an assault on the rule of law when Trump was president.

+1

This country had four years of Trump. We decided in 2020 we didn't want four more and we
still don't.

#nevertrump
NP: Enoch Light - 'S Wonderful

Governor Swill wrote:
> This country had four years of Trump.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson and a dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> We decided in 2020 we didn't want four more

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Delma T Ivey and a dozen other hyper-violent socks wrote:

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> we
> still don't.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Delma T Ivey and a dozen other hyper-violent socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On 7/29/24 10:09, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
>>
>> We had four years of prosperity when Trump was president
>
> We had four years of an assault on the rule of law when Trump was
> president.

Propaganda

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:09:26 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/29/24 10:09, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
>>>
>>> We had four years of prosperity when Trump was president
>>
>> We had four years of an assault on the rule of law when Trump was
>> president.
>
>Propaganda

Yep. MAGA has given us 8 years of that.

#nevertrump

Don't vote for the Banana Republican Party

Governor Swill wrote:
> Don't vote

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson and a dozen other
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Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.