REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group soc.religion.christian.youth-work

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup soc.religion.christian.youth-work.

RATIONALE:

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NEWSGROUPS LINE:

soc.religion.christian.youth-work Christians working with young people. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian.youth-work
soc.misc

CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN.YOUTH-WORK

soc.religion.christian.youth-work is a moderated group providing a
forum for:

- discussing topics relevant to working with young people.
- exchanging ideas regarding youth/children's work
- support (prayer and otherwise) for youth leaders
- keeping in touch with developments in other countries/
denominations
- discussing available resources
- sharing experiences (both good and bad) to help others
- discussing current projects
- giving and receiving advice from others

Both "open" and "closed" youth work is discussed - the discussion of
work with eg inner-city kids, street kids etc is explicitly included.

- Articles from those involved in non-Christian youth/
children's work are welcome providing they are also
relevant to Christian youth/children's work.

- Articles briefly informing about youth clubs/youth events
etc - both Christian and non-Christian are acceptable.
Details of a particular youth club's weekly programme is
considered too detailed!

- Bible study outlines should be referred to
s.r.c.bible-study, unless specifically youth-oriented with
explicitly defined youth characteristics.

- Discussions about infant/adult baptism, doctrinal
differences, what is a cult, etc. should be referred to
soc.religion.christian.

- Discussions of general youth behavior will be evaluated as
to whether it is better here or in misc.kids or
alt.parents-teens.

- Discussions about church/christian music (as opposed to
youth performances or music in youth events) should be
referred to rec.music.christian.

- Discussions about home schooling and release-time christian
education will be evaluated as to whether it is better here
or in misc.education.

MODERATION GUIDELINES

- The moderator will reject personal attacks, ad hominum and
postings with scatalogical/profane language or images;

- The moderator will act to limit repititious discussions and
those that seem to be leading nowhere;

- The moderator will interpret "Christian" broadly for the
sake of encouraging discussion, including groups some may
think cultic, and permitting contributions by such groups
of youth programs and issues in dealing with youth.

- The moderator will use his/her judgement as to when
discussion of programs ceases and discussion of doctrine
begins.

- The moderator will return or re-direct any articles which
cross the charter guidelines.

- The moderator will provide a brief explanation to the sender
of any article which is rejected (unless the article is
obviously not suitable for the group or contains profane
language etc - in which case the moderator won't waste
his/her time!)

- The moderator will, from time to time, post the charter and
moderation guidelines to the group so that regular
contributors can be reminded of the group's purpose, and
new "members" can get a feel for what is going on.

- the CHANGE OF MODERATOR-procedures are available from the
moderator on request. These define the way in which a
new moderator should be chosen should the current
moderator become unavailable, or if the group is unhappy
with the current moderation. These guidelines will only
be posted to the group if a request for a change of
moderator is received, or if the moderator steps down.

Full-time moderator - Shawn Wicks Freilinger <freilins@ucs.orst.edu>
Deputy moderator - Tim Wears <etltmws@kk.ericsson.se>

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

soc.religion.christian.youth-work is a moderated newsgroup which passed
its vote for creation by 381:86 as reported in news.announce.newgroups
on 12 Jul 1994.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartolich@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.

Available options for soc.religion.christian.youth-work are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group

For more information on the MVI process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:mvi

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-02-27 Probe post
2010-03-07 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-03-21 1st RFD
2010-04-04 2nd RFD
2010-04-19 LCC

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MODERATOR VACANCY INVESTIGATION (MVI)
moderated group soc.religion.christian.youth-work

This is a formal Moderator Vacancy Investigation (MVI), begun because
moderated newsgroup soc.religion.christian.youth-work is not functioning,
and may have been abandoned by its moderator(s).

This investigation will attempt to verify the reasons for non-function,
and may result in the removal of the group or the selection and instal-
lation of a new moderator. In practice, the Big-8 Management Board
considers the third alternative--changing the status of the group from
moderated to unmoderated--as likely to cause more harm than good.

RATIONALE:

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NEWSGROUPS LINE:

soc.religion.christian.youth-work Christians working with young people. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian.youth-work
soc.misc

CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN.YOUTH-WORK

soc.religion.christian.youth-work is a moderated group providing a
forum for:

- discussing topics relevant to working with young people.
- exchanging ideas regarding youth/children's work
- support (prayer and otherwise) for youth leaders
- keeping in touch with developments in other countries/
denominations
- discussing available resources
- sharing experiences (both good and bad) to help others
- discussing current projects
- giving and receiving advice from others

Both "open" and "closed" youth work is discussed - the discussion of
work with eg inner-city kids, street kids etc is explicitly included.

- Articles from those involved in non-Christian youth/
children's work are welcome providing they are also
relevant to Christian youth/children's work.

- Articles briefly informing about youth clubs/youth events
etc - both Christian and non-Christian are acceptable.
Details of a particular youth club's weekly programme is
considered too detailed!

- Bible study outlines should be referred to
s.r.c.bible-study, unless specifically youth-oriented with
explicitly defined youth characteristics.

- Discussions about infant/adult baptism, doctrinal
differences, what is a cult, etc. should be referred to
soc.religion.christian.

- Discussions of general youth behavior will be evaluated as
to whether it is better here or in misc.kids or
alt.parents-teens.

- Discussions about church/christian music (as opposed to
youth performances or music in youth events) should be
referred to rec.music.christian.

- Discussions about home schooling and release-time christian
education will be evaluated as to whether it is better here
or in misc.education.

MODERATION GUIDELINES

- The moderator will reject personal attacks, ad hominum and
postings with scatalogical/profane language or images;

- The moderator will act to limit repititious discussions and
those that seem to be leading nowhere;

- The moderator will interpret "Christian" broadly for the
sake of encouraging discussion, including groups some may
think cultic, and permitting contributions by such groups
of youth programs and issues in dealing with youth.

- The moderator will use his/her judgement as to when
discussion of programs ceases and discussion of doctrine
begins.

- The moderator will return or re-direct any articles which
cross the charter guidelines.

- The moderator will provide a brief explanation to the sender
of any article which is rejected (unless the article is
obviously not suitable for the group or contains profane
language etc - in which case the moderator won't waste
his/her time!)

- The moderator will, from time to time, post the charter and
moderation guidelines to the group so that regular
contributors can be reminded of the group's purpose, and
new "members" can get a feel for what is going on.

- the CHANGE OF MODERATOR-procedures are available from the
moderator on request. These define the way in which a
new moderator should be chosen should the current
moderator become unavailable, or if the group is unhappy
with the current moderation. These guidelines will only
be posted to the group if a request for a change of
moderator is received, or if the moderator steps down.

Full-time moderator - Shawn Wicks Freilinger <freilins@ucs.orst.edu>
Deputy moderator - Tim Wears <etltmws@kk.ericsson.se>

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

soc.religion.christian.youth-work is a moderated newsgroup which passed
its vote for creation by 381:86 as reported in news.announce.newgroups
on 12 Jul 1994.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartolich@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this moderator vacancy investigation should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant
threads in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this MVI has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

For more information on the MVI process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:mvi

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-02-27 Probe post
2010-03-07 Moderator Vacancy Investigation

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RESULT
soc.religion.christian.youth-work will be removed

The Last Call for Comments (LCC) on 2010-04-19 initiated a five-day
period for final comments. Following this comment period, the Big-8
Management Board has decided by consensus to remove moderated group
soc.religion.christian.youth-work.

RATIONALE:

A probe post to this group resulted in a bounce.

Delivery has failed to these recipients or distribution lists:
youthwork@csun.edu
The recipient's e-mail address was not found in the recipient's
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message for you. Please check the e-mail address and try resending
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NEWSGROUPS LINE:

soc.religion.christian.youth-work Christians working with young people. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian.youth-work
soc.misc

CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN.YOUTH-WORK

soc.religion.christian.youth-work is a moderated group providing a
forum for:

- discussing topics relevant to working with young people.
- exchanging ideas regarding youth/children's work
- support (prayer and otherwise) for youth leaders
- keeping in touch with developments in other countries/
denominations
- discussing available resources
- sharing experiences (both good and bad) to help others
- discussing current projects
- giving and receiving advice from others

Both "open" and "closed" youth work is discussed - the discussion of
work with eg inner-city kids, street kids etc is explicitly included.

- Articles from those involved in non-Christian youth/
children's work are welcome providing they are also
relevant to Christian youth/children's work.

- Articles briefly informing about youth clubs/youth events
etc - both Christian and non-Christian are acceptable.
Details of a particular youth club's weekly programme is
considered too detailed!

- Bible study outlines should be referred to
s.r.c.bible-study, unless specifically youth-oriented with
explicitly defined youth characteristics.

- Discussions about infant/adult baptism, doctrinal
differences, what is a cult, etc. should be referred to
soc.religion.christian.

- Discussions of general youth behavior will be evaluated as
to whether it is better here or in misc.kids or
alt.parents-teens.

- Discussions about church/christian music (as opposed to
youth performances or music in youth events) should be
referred to rec.music.christian.

- Discussions about home schooling and release-time christian
education will be evaluated as to whether it is better here
or in misc.education.

MODERATION GUIDELINES

- The moderator will reject personal attacks, ad hominum and
postings with scatalogical/profane language or images;

- The moderator will act to limit repititious discussions and
those that seem to be leading nowhere;

- The moderator will interpret "Christian" broadly for the
sake of encouraging discussion, including groups some may
think cultic, and permitting contributions by such groups
of youth programs and issues in dealing with youth.

- The moderator will use his/her judgement as to when
discussion of programs ceases and discussion of doctrine
begins.

- The moderator will return or re-direct any articles which
cross the charter guidelines.

- The moderator will provide a brief explanation to the sender
of any article which is rejected (unless the article is
obviously not suitable for the group or contains profane
language etc - in which case the moderator won't waste
his/her time!)

- The moderator will, from time to time, post the charter and
moderation guidelines to the group so that regular
contributors can be reminded of the group's purpose, and
new "members" can get a feel for what is going on.

- the CHANGE OF MODERATOR-procedures are available from the
moderator on request. These define the way in which a
new moderator should be chosen should the current
moderator become unavailable, or if the group is unhappy
with the current moderation. These guidelines will only
be posted to the group if a request for a change of
moderator is received, or if the moderator steps down.

Full-time moderator - Shawn Wicks Freilinger <freilins@ucs.orst.edu>
Deputy moderator - Tim Wears <etltmws@kk.ericsson.se>

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

soc.religion.christian.youth-work is a moderated newsgroup which passed
its vote for creation by 381:86 as reported in news.announce.newgroups
on 12 Jul 1994.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartolich@gmx.at>

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-02-27 Probe post
2010-03-07 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-03-21 1st RFD
2010-04-04 2nd RFD
2010-04-19 LCC
2010-04-25 RESULT

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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group soc.religion.christian.youth-work

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup soc.religion.christian.youth-work.

RATIONALE:

A probe post to this group resulted in a bounce.

Delivery has failed to these recipients or distribution lists:
youthwork@csun.edu
The recipient's e-mail address was not found in the recipient's
e-mail system. Microsoft Exchange will not try to redeliver this
message for you. Please check the e-mail address and try resending
this message, or provide the following diagnostic text to your
system administrator.

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

soc.religion.christian.youth-work Christians working with young people. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian.youth-work
soc.misc

CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN.YOUTH-WORK

soc.religion.christian.youth-work is a moderated group providing a
forum for:

- discussing topics relevant to working with young people.
- exchanging ideas regarding youth/children's work
- support (prayer and otherwise) for youth leaders
- keeping in touch with developments in other countries/
denominations
- discussing available resources
- sharing experiences (both good and bad) to help others
- discussing current projects
- giving and receiving advice from others

Both "open" and "closed" youth work is discussed - the discussion of
work with eg inner-city kids, street kids etc is explicitly included.

- Articles from those involved in non-Christian youth/
children's work are welcome providing they are also
relevant to Christian youth/children's work.

- Articles briefly informing about youth clubs/youth events
etc - both Christian and non-Christian are acceptable.
Details of a particular youth club's weekly programme is
considered too detailed!

- Bible study outlines should be referred to
s.r.c.bible-study, unless specifically youth-oriented with
explicitly defined youth characteristics.

- Discussions about infant/adult baptism, doctrinal
differences, what is a cult, etc. should be referred to
soc.religion.christian.

- Discussions of general youth behavior will be evaluated as
to whether it is better here or in misc.kids or
alt.parents-teens.

- Discussions about church/christian music (as opposed to
youth performances or music in youth events) should be
referred to rec.music.christian.

- Discussions about home schooling and release-time christian
education will be evaluated as to whether it is better here
or in misc.education.

MODERATION GUIDELINES

- The moderator will reject personal attacks, ad hominum and
postings with scatalogical/profane language or images;

- The moderator will act to limit repititious discussions and
those that seem to be leading nowhere;

- The moderator will interpret "Christian" broadly for the
sake of encouraging discussion, including groups some may
think cultic, and permitting contributions by such groups
of youth programs and issues in dealing with youth.

- The moderator will use his/her judgement as to when
discussion of programs ceases and discussion of doctrine
begins.

- The moderator will return or re-direct any articles which
cross the charter guidelines.

- The moderator will provide a brief explanation to the sender
of any article which is rejected (unless the article is
obviously not suitable for the group or contains profane
language etc - in which case the moderator won't waste
his/her time!)

- The moderator will, from time to time, post the charter and
moderation guidelines to the group so that regular
contributors can be reminded of the group's purpose, and
new "members" can get a feel for what is going on.

- the CHANGE OF MODERATOR-procedures are available from the
moderator on request. These define the way in which a
new moderator should be chosen should the current
moderator become unavailable, or if the group is unhappy
with the current moderation. These guidelines will only
be posted to the group if a request for a change of
moderator is received, or if the moderator steps down.

Full-time moderator - Shawn Wicks Freilinger <freilins@ucs.orst.edu>
Deputy moderator - Tim Wears <etltmws@kk.ericsson.se>

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

soc.religion.christian.youth-work is a moderated newsgroup which passed
its vote for creation by 381:86 as reported in news.announce.newgroups
on 12 Jul 1994.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartolich@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.

Available options for soc.religion.christian.youth-work are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group

For more information on the MVI process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:mvi

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-02-27 Probe post
2010-03-07 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-03-21 1st RFD

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