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Subject: Faith and Science
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Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed. (1 Samuel 2:3)

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Faith doesn't deny knowledge, even any kind of science. Many features of the Universe show the signs of the Intelligent Design.

What are the odds that a dozen of cosmic constants are so finely tuned that 0.1% skew in each direction would make the Universe uninhabitable?

But still, some deny the existence of the Intelligent Designer behind the clockwork precision.

The division between science and religion created atheist science, but this is our fault, the fault of the Church, because we tried to stop the progress of insight and science with the church dogma, and by very violent means, like in the case of Giordano Bruno and Galileo Galilei.

Parallel revelations of spiritual and God Creator and Maintainer of the Universe like the Vedas and the Upanisadas were often consulted by the renown scientists like Dr. Erwin Schrödinger or other quantum field theory founders, so the atheist science is not entirely atheist in its core. Many scientists like Nikola Tesla or Albert Einstein believed at least in the "impersonal God" who is reflected through the precision of the physical and mathematical laws we are only given to discover.

I believe that without the insight from Upanisadas about the philosophical background of the Universe and the Maintaining emanation of the Supreme Godhead this kind of insight which allowed us to design many billion transistor microchips just 75 years after the discovery of the individual transistor - was impossible without the quantum theory and its reliance on the Universal Field.

The strange properties of matter we only discover, not invent or create - and from the femtometer (millionth of nanometer) to billions of light years it is so perfectly knit that it is impossible to be accidentally tuned so well.

Otherwise, by random chance brazillions of universes in a Multiverse would have random mass and charge of electron, random gravity constant and random Planck's constant, alongside many others which we are unable to theoretically predict. In this case 99.999999999999999% of universes would be destined to host disgustingly failed creation like it happens with Afghanistan and Fallujah depleted uranium babies.

That would be a terrible waste.

In such a case, the inhabitants of the 99.999999999999999999999% of the universes would also suffer an existential crisis, being emanated just to be destroyed as a Cosmic existential abomination.

In this case, with no Intelligent Design, only the "fittest Universes", a tiny fraction of the Multiverse, would survive long enough to host even Helium, let alone carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and iron required to transport oxygen to living cells and breathe. For aerobic life had somehow surpassed the anaerobic organisms that needed not the air to breathe and live, despite the requirement for breathing oxygen makes us vulnerable to suffocation.

Anaerobic life might be better suited for planets that cannot keep an atmosphere, like Mars.

Some were applauded for ideas to blow a nuke here and their to melt the polar ice caps on Mars so they would create an atmosphere. But it would inevitably be blown away by the Solar wind just like the original one. Mars's iron core appears to have frozen dead and the magnetic shield of Mars is no longer operational.

In all this, the Mind of God of the Universe is not confused - we were only exposed to such vast spaces before we were ready as a created species.

In this way, the request not to eat the forbidden fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was something like the Prime Directive - breaking the Prime Directive leads to extinction like the Great Flood present in virtually every nation's, religion's and tribe's memory.

This ordinance of the Creator was meant to protect us until we are ready to manage such an Universe without destroying it in the process.

We are very successful in destroying our home planet and based on that success we expect other planets will be hillarious to welcome us as migrants.

in the LORD God Creator of the Universe, Maker of Heaven and Earth, Almighty, Merciful, Longsuffering
Amen

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Raskolnykov wrote:
> Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth:
> for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed. (1 Samuel 2:3)
>
> * * *
>
> Faith doesn't deny knowledge, even any kind of science. Many features of the
> Universe show the signs of the Intelligent Design.
>
> What are the odds that a dozen of cosmic constants are so finely tuned that
> 0.1% skew in each direction would make the Universe uninhabitable?
>
> But still, some deny the existence of the Intelligent Designer behind the
> clockwork precision.
>
> The division between science and religion created atheist science, but this
> is our fault, the fault of the Church, because we tried to stop the progress
> of insight and science with the church dogma, and by very violent means, like
> in the case of Giordano Bruno and Galileo Galilei.

Scientism and the Galileo myth. Another example of 'The Science'
and its mendacity and propaganda.

The Religion of The Science, or Scientism, does not suffer
competitors or doubts.

... the truth is Galileo was never accosted, tortured,
beaten or even demonised for his views.  In fact, he
lived a long, salubrious life, entirely funded by the
de Medici's and the Church. ...

... Galileo did not invent the telescope and his
customised production was largely inferior to that of
Kepler's.  He did not prove heliocentricity whatsoever
(more below).  It is unlikely he performed the weight
dropping experiment, nor did he discover the attributes
of a swinging pendulum, the incline motion of an object
proceeding from a declination; nor did he uncover
secrets leading to time keeping or navigation. ...

... Galileo admits the paucity of his experimentation,
and like Einstein was more interested in philosophy
and abstractions than actual proof ...

... Galileo created his own difficulty, never providing
real proof, dabbling incessantly in political discourse,
and destroying relationships with his own immature
character. ...

.... A key factor which hindered Galileo was a
personality which though innovative, was too often
narcissistic, egocentric, stubborn, rough and imprudent.
This was true in his general disregard for others and
their opinions throughout his career. This usually
generates more enemies than friends. ...

... Galileo also refused to share information with
other astronomers and demanded all accolades be given
to himself.  How familiar is to those who have studied
'The Science'? ...

... Galileo's offensive pattern of ridicule became his
specific undoing in 1633.  When his long-time supporter
and friend, Cardinal Barberini, was elected as Pope
Urban VIII in 1623, Galileo went back to Rome.  Over
the course of six private interviews, he managed to gain
the Pope's permission to write again about the Copernican
theory-a partial lifting of the restrictions imposed by
the Inquisition in 1616-but it came with the proviso that
the new science be treated in the traditional 'hypothetical'
fashion.  Galileo finally published his work in 1633,
entitled Dialogue on the Two Chief World Systems.  Contrary
to the Pope's wishes, its chief characters brilliantly
defended the heliocentric worldview, and in an unfortunate
caricature, the Pope's exact argument was presented in the
voice of Simplicio, the slow-witted simpleton who defended
Aristotelian philosophy and the Ptolemaic worldview.

Considering the importunate tone of his book, his
condemnation was nearly certain and had nothing to do with
the 'science' itself. ...

<https://unstabbinated.substack.com/p/scientism-and-the-galileo-myth-another>

Danke,

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