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Subject: Re: Francophones
From: Cursitor Doom
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From: cd@notformail.com (Cursitor Doom)
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Subject: Re: Francophones
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 21:37:59 +0000
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On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 22:31:36 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

>On 12/21/24 22:07, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 21:31:51 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/21/24 14:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 08:57:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 00:05:08 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/20/24 22:16, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 19:32:14 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do we have any French speakers on the Panel? I have a radio that's
>>>>>>>>>> badly in need of realignment and the only instructions I can find are
>>>>>>>>>> a set in French. I can't use Google translate because they've used too
>>>>>>>>>> many abbreviations in the text and they won't parse any sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not a particularly fluent French speaker, but I could probably sort
>>>>>>>>> out some technical instructions in French If you want to send them to
>>>>>>>>> me, I'll have a go (you should be able to work out my e-mail address).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks indeed for your kind offer. I suspect it will probably
>>>>>>>> require a native French speaker to decypher, but who knows? :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not a native French speaker, but I may be able to help anyway.
>>>>>>> Fire away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well that's interesing as I had did think you might respond given some
>>>>>> of the background you've revealed here in the past. I don't have the
>>>>>> relevant page here right now, but will make it available tomorrow. It
>>>>>> is only the one page and only one column of that, so nothing too
>>>>>> onerous. I did show it to a genuine French chum of mine a few weeks
>>>>>> ago, but he was stumped by the technical side of it and couldn't
>>>>>> assist much, unfortunately. So it appears it needs someone who can
>>>>>> speak French fluently *and* understands the process of radio
>>>>>> alignment. I kind of guessed that might be you....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Many years ago Practical Wireless published an article about the French
>>>>> 819-line high-definition television service which had been translated
>>>> >from French by someone who knew nothing about television or radio
>>>>> terminologyy. It was hilarious nonsense but I eventually managed to
>>>>> translate it back into French so that I could understand it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you post your text here, we can all have a go at it.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the delay; took a bit of tracking down but I have it now:
>>>>
>>>> https://disk.yandex.com/i/3SiZ6rN_k-fP4w
>>>>
>>>> It's only page 1 that needs the translation - and of that, in
>>>> particular the abbreviated bits. I haven't read French since I was in
>>>> school about a hundred years ago, so it's all Dutch to me. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> This was translated from German into French by someone who also
>>> did not know clearly what it all meant. Not everything makes
>>> perfect sense.
>>>
>>> Also, while it doesn't say so, many of the adjustments interact,
>>> so you may have to go back and forth a few times. Anyway, here
>>> goes.
>>>
>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>
>>>
>>> ===============================================================
>>>
>>> -- DC current adjustments (for 9V supply)
>>> - Adjustment of the push-pull audio stage:
>>> Cut the solder bridge marked -x- in the collector trace of the
>>> AC188 T11 and insert a current meter. Adjust R410 for 6.5mA.
>>> Restore the bridge.
>>> - Adjustment of the IF amplifier:
>>> Set R515 to obtain 1.35V across T4's emitter resistor R518.
>>>
>>> -- Adjustment of the FM-IF stages. The radio should be set to "FM".
>>> Connect a wobbulator centered on 10.7MHz at MP5 and the diode
>>> detector shown at ZF VII (I think...) MP6. Detune ZF VIII (a).
>>> Then tune ZFVII (b) for a symmetrical maximum response.
>>> - Inject signal at MP3 and tune ZF VI (c) and ZF V (d) for
>>> symmetrical maximum response.
>>> - Inject signal on MP2 and adjust ZF IV (e) and ZF III (f) for
>>> symmetrical maximum response.
>>> - Inject a weakly coupled signal at the mixer (MP1?) and adjust
>>> ZF II (g) and ZF I (h) for symmetrical maximum response.
>>> - Discriminator: Inject signal at MP5, with a level low
>>> enough that no limiting occurs in the IF strip. Observe the
>>> signal at MP11 (audio amplifier input) with load impedance 50k.
>>> Adjust ZF VIII (a) for symmetrical response.
>>>
>>> -- Adjustment of the AM IF (460kHz) stages. The radio should be
>>> set to "PO" (AM, 560-1450kHz). Connect a measurement instrument
>>> at MP4 (Weakly coupled).
>>> - Inject a wobbulator signal at MP3 and adjust ZF XIII and ZF XII
>>> for symmetrical maximum response.
>>> - Inject signal at MP8 and adjust ZF XI for symmetrical maximum
>>> response.
>>> - Inject signal at MP7 and adjust ZF X and ZF IX for symmetrical
>>> maximum response.
>>>
>>> -- Adjustment of local oscillator and AM input. For short and
>>> medium wave, couple signal into the ferrite rod antenna using
>>> the frame. For short wave, remove the rod antenna and couple
>>> signal at the antenna connection through 15pF.
>>> Tune to 560kHz and adjust (1) and (3) for maximum response.
>>> Mixer sensitivity 13uV and oscillator output 60-90mV.
>>> Tune to 1450 kHz and adjust (2) and (4) for maximum response.
>>> - Set the radio to GO (Long wave, 160-240kHz).
>>> Tune to 160kHz and adjust (5) and (6) for maximum response.
>>> Mixer sensitivity 13uV and oscillator output 65-95mV.
>>> - Set the radio to OC (Short wave, 6.5-15MHz)
>>> Tune to 6.5MHz and adjust (8) and (10) for maximum response.
>>> Tune to 15MHz and adjust (9) and (11) for maximum response.
>>> Mixer sensitivity 5uV and oscillator output 35-90mV.
>>>
>>> -- Adjustment of the FM LO. Signal from an RF generator with
>>> 60 Ohm output impedance injected directly at the mixer (MP1?)
>>> with a loaded signal level <2mV. Set the radio to FM.
>>> - Tune to 88MHz and adjust (A) and (C) for maximum response.
>>> - Tune to 106MHz and adjust (B) and (D) for maximum response,
>>> Noise level is about 5 times kT0. Oscillator output voltage
>>> 75-85mV (at T2's emitter).
>>
>> Thanks, Jeroen. Geez, you just can't win with these bastards. I've got
>> a 50 ohm signal generator and a 70 ohm one - but that's not good
>> enough for 'em. No, they want me to splash out on a 60 ohm one and
>> where am I going to source one of those??
>> And it doesn't stop there! I thought all my vintage servicing voltage
>> reading requirements would be met when I bought an old analogue Avo
>> with 20kohms/volt. But now it seems I need to scratch around for a
>> 500ohms/volt one. It seems they're expecting whoever services these
>> things to have access to an infinite range of test equipment to
>> satisfy whatever whim the manual compiler for the equipment had at the
>> time. <making overly theatrical gesture of despair>
>
>I don't think that matters all that much, really. Your VNA will
>do fine as a signal source and a scope will do fine to measure
>resulting signals and voltages. If really necessary, put ten ohms
>in series with your 50 Ohm source.

Yes, but you know what a *bitch* it is to find a purely resistive 10
ohms....

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