Rocksolid Light

News from da outaworlds

mail  files  register  groups  login

Message-ID:  

You will be advanced socially, without any special effort on your part.

sci / sci.space.policy / NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue Fire

SubjectAuthor
* NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue FireSnidely
`* Re: NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue FireThe Running Man
 `- Re: NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue FireSnidely

1
Subject: NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue Fire
From: Snidely
Newsgroups: sci.space.policy
Organization: Dis One
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 11:10 UTC
Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: snidely.too@gmail.com (Snidely)
Newsgroups: sci.space.policy
Subject: NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue Fire
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 04:10:20 -0700
Organization: Dis One
Lines: 20
Message-ID: <mn.38fa7e8948ef4f9f.127094@snitoo>
Reply-To: snidely.too@gmail.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 13:10:26 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7995efab5ef06c4c3dbfef849fc55caf";
logging-data="1436162"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19bHBKIOgb5VPxrvWOodnnFSEDNBbHYx8E="
Cancel-Lock: sha1:XARcR4n+iid3R4SuMs+DIvBL8PQ=
X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb
X-ICQ: 543516788
View all headers

NASA has judged the October launch timing to be at risk, and has
delayed the trip to Mars by at least 6 months. New Glen will loft a
test prototype of the Blue Ring transfer vehicle instead. Launch dates
for both missions TBD, but Bezos really wants the first flight to be in
2024.

Though the optimal Mars window is about to close for 18-24 months,
there may be a practical but complex trajectory that could reduce the
wait.

Eric Berger is among those reporting on the announcement:
<URL:https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/09/new-glenns-debut-will-slip-into-november-as-nasa-decides-to-not-fuel-escapade/>

/dps

--
I have always been glad we weren't killed that night. I do not know
any particular reason, but I have always been glad.
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain

Subject: Re: NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue Fire
From: The Running Man
Newsgroups: sci.space.policy
Organization: EasyNews
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:34 UTC
References: 1
Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: running_man@writeable.com (The Running Man)
Newsgroups: sci.space.policy
Subject: Re: NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue Fire
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:34:39 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: EasyNews
Lines: 17
Message-ID: <98nW2m1quJM5XA7SBRLkVx+EPOzhVNLIGo/LN+Kz4T4=@writeable.com>
References: <mn.38fa7e8948ef4f9f.127094@snitoo>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8-bit
Injection-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 17:34:39 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5d1300068155f39f8c5c9059c32d97c1";
logging-data="1506648"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+AF3bGv7ALa0WVzN3lu7BlLyGBvoeRoeI="
Cancel-Lock: sha1:oleIMBZw+kdC8XsETdLyRRa5YRE=
View all headers

On 07/09/2024 13:10 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
> NASA has judged the October launch timing to be at risk, and has
> delayed the trip to Mars by at least 6 months. New Glen will loft a
> test prototype of the Blue Ring transfer vehicle instead. Launch dates
> for both missions TBD, but Bezos really wants the first flight to be in
> 2024.
>
> Though the optimal Mars window is about to close for 18-24 months,
> there may be a practical but complex trajectory that could reduce the
> wait.
>

I doubt New Glenn will fly before spring.

In any case ESCAPADE is something NASA slapped together to fly
something on the new vehicle. It isn't critical for NASA's Mars
exploration program.

Subject: Re: NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue Fire
From: Snidely
Newsgroups: sci.space.policy
Organization: Dis One
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 22:50 UTC
References: 1 2
Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: snidely.too@gmail.com (Snidely)
Newsgroups: sci.space.policy
Subject: Re: NASA delays ESCAPADE, New Glen first launch to be for Blue Fire
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 15:50:41 -0700
Organization: Dis One
Lines: 43
Message-ID: <mn.3bb67e8929c6a144.127094@snitoo>
References: <mn.38fa7e8948ef4f9f.127094@snitoo> <98nW2m1quJM5XA7SBRLkVx+EPOzhVNLIGo/LN+Kz4T4=@writeable.com>
Reply-To: snidely.too@gmail.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 00:50:48 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="246a9bbb1b893a89a1e7be29fa75fedf";
logging-data="1675379"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/LhcFvoA9CQkyFYGEDt7BajPDRe9iVj2w="
Cancel-Lock: sha1:O975S8TYjqgTWXlvbq0KZjUdaBY=
X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb
X-ICQ: 543516788
View all headers

On Saturday, The Running Man queried:
> On 07/09/2024 13:10 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>> NASA has judged the October launch timing to be at risk, and has
>> delayed the trip to Mars by at least 6 months. New Glen will loft a
>> test prototype of the Blue Ring transfer vehicle instead. Launch dates
>> for both missions TBD, but Bezos really wants the first flight to be in
>> 2024.
>>
>> Though the optimal Mars window is about to close for 18-24 months,
>> there may be a practical but complex trajectory that could reduce the
>> wait.
>>
>
> I doubt New Glenn will fly before spring.
>
> In any case ESCAPADE is something NASA slapped together to fly
> something on the new vehicle. It isn't critical for NASA's Mars
> exploration program.

I think you need to provide citations to support "slapped together to
fly something on the new vehicle". ESCAPADE's proposal was in 2018,
and built on a MISEN proposal from 2016. It's characteristics were
determined by being a low-cost explorer ...
"ESCAPADE builds on MAVEN’s legacy for a fraction of the cost (<$80
million)."
<URL:https://escapade.ssl.berkeley.edu/about/>

NASA has a separate office for matching missions to launch providers,
and I think they get the credit for scoring a cheap launch from a new
provider, and that the mission was provider-agnostic as long as
possible.

New Glenn gets brownie points (good publicity), although they've now
lost some for missing the date. It also counts towards their
certification in bidding for DOD flights.

/dps

--
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean

1

rocksolid light 0.9.8
clearnet tor