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Subject: IFT-4 FAA approval
From: Alain Fournier
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SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4

Alain Fournier

Subject: Re: IFT-4 FAA approval
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Alain Fournier blurted out:
> SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.
>
> https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4
>
>
> Alain Fournier

Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km
ship altitude.

/dps

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> instead, and see how that works out.
-- Katy Jennison

Subject: Re: IFT-4 FAA approval
From: Alain Fournier
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On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
> Alain Fournier blurted out:
>> SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.
>>
>> https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4
>>
>>
>> Alain Fournier
>
> Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km ship
> altitude.

I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went to
zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems to be
doing great also.

Alain Fournier

Subject: Re: IFT-4 FAA approval
From: The Running Man
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 14:01 UTC
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On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
>> Alain Fournier blurted out:
>>> SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.
>>>
>>> https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4
>>>
>>>
>>> Alain Fournier
>>
>> Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km ship
>> altitude.
>
> I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
> hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went to
> zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems to be
> doing great also.
>
>
> Alain Fournier
>

The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other camera went out as well.

But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would get peak heating during re-entry?

Subject: Re: IFT-4 FAA approval
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On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
> On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
>>> Alain Fournier blurted out:
>>>> SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>
>>> Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km ship
>>> altitude.
>>
>> I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
>> hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went to
>> zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems to be
>> doing great also.
>>
>>
>> Alain Fournier
>>
>
> The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other camera
> went out as well.
>
> But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the "hot
> spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would get peak
> heating during re-entry?

It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
reentry experience. But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to
land sorta soft.

/dps

--
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Subject: Re: IFT-4 FAA approval
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On 2024-06-06 10:06 a.m., Snidely wrote:
> On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
>> On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
>>>> Alain Fournier blurted out:
>>>>> SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>
>>>> Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km
>>>> ship altitude.
>>>
>>> I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
>>> hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went
>>> to zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems
>>> to be doing great also.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alain Fournier
>>>
>>
>> The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other
>> camera went out as well.
>> But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the
>> "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would
>> get peak heating during re-entry?
>
> It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
> reentry experience. But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to
> land sorta soft.

Yes. First time I see a spaceship burn up on reentry in such a way that
a hypothetical crew would most likely had survived.

Needs some more tweaks but quite close to a reusable spaceship. Congrats
to SpaceX.

Alain Fournier

Subject: Re: IFT-4 FAA approval
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On 06/06/2024 10:27 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2024-06-06 10:06 a.m., Snidely wrote:
>> On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
>>> On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
>>>>> Alain Fournier blurted out:
>>>>>> SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km
>>>>> ship altitude.
>>>>
>>>> I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
>>>> hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went
>>>> to zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems
>>>> to be doing great also.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>
>>>
>>> The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other
>>> camera went out as well.
>>> But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the
>>> "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would
>>> get peak heating during re-entry?
>>
>> It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
>> reentry experience.? But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to
>> land sorta soft.
>
> Yes. First time I see a spaceship burn up on reentry in such a way that
> a hypothetical crew would most likely had survived.
>
> Needs some more tweaks but quite close to a reusable spaceship. Congrats
> to SpaceX.

I don't believe NASA is going to be pleased with the current rate of progress. Having a vehicle which has a "hypothetical crew surviving re-entry" just isn't good enough. NASA wants boots on the ground (on the Moon) ASAP since Congress is breathing in its neck to get there before the Chinese do.

With all these delays boots on the Moon before 2030 is getting too close for comfort.

Subject: Re: IFT-4 FAA approval
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On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
> On 06/06/2024 10:27 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-06 10:06 a.m., Snidely wrote:
>>> On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
>>>> On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
>>>>>> Alain Fournier blurted out:
>>>>>>> SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km
>>>>>> ship altitude.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
>>>>> hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went
>>>>> to zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems
>>>>> to be doing great also.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other
>>>> camera went out as well.
>>>> But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the
>>>> "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would
>>>> get peak heating during re-entry?
>>>
>>> It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
>>> reentry experience.? But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to
>>> land sorta soft.
>>
>> Yes. First time I see a spaceship burn up on reentry in such a way that
>> a hypothetical crew would most likely had survived.
>>
>> Needs some more tweaks but quite close to a reusable spaceship. Congrats
>> to SpaceX.
>
> I don't believe NASA is going to be pleased with the current rate of
> progress. Having a vehicle which has a "hypothetical crew surviving re-entry"
> just isn't good enough. NASA wants boots on the ground (on the Moon) ASAP
> since Congress is breathing in its neck to get there before the Chinese do.
>
> With all these delays boots on the Moon before 2030 is getting too close for
> comfort.

HLS does not require crewed Starship reentry -- or flaps. Fueling
flights can begin with Booster caught and Starship discarded, but we'll
probably see full recovery long before that time.

/dps

--
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does for Arnold Lund in California or Richard Rothman in Baltimore, are
the questions -- old and new, good and bad -- this newest tool lets us
ask. (R. Lerhman, CSMonitor.com)

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On Thursday, Snidely queried:
> On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
>> On 06/06/2024 10:27 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-06 10:06 a.m., Snidely wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
>>>>> On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
>>>>>>> Alain Fournier blurted out:
>>>>>>>> SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km
>>>>>>> ship altitude.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
>>>>>> hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went to
>>>>>> zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems to be
>>>>>> doing great also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other
>>>>> camera went out as well.
>>>>> But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the
>>>>> "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would get
>>>>> peak heating during re-entry?
>>>>
>>>> It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
>>>> reentry experience.? But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to land
>>>> sorta soft.
>>>
>>> Yes. First time I see a spaceship burn up on reentry in such a way that a
>>> hypothetical crew would most likely had survived.
>>>
>>> Needs some more tweaks but quite close to a reusable spaceship. Congrats
>>> to SpaceX.
>>
>> I don't believe NASA is going to be pleased with the current rate of
>> progress. Having a vehicle which has a "hypothetical crew surviving
>> re-entry" just isn't good enough. NASA wants boots on the ground (on the
>> Moon) ASAP since Congress is breathing in its neck to get there before the
>> Chinese do.
>>
>> With all these delays boots on the Moon before 2030 is getting too close
>> for comfort.
>
> HLS does not require crewed Starship reentry -- or flaps. Fueling flights
> can begin with Booster caught and Starship discarded, but we'll probably see
> full recovery long before that time.

Not to mention there are still questions about Orion heatshield and
delivery date of Axiom spacesuits.

/dps

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Subject	Author
IFT-4 FAA approval	Alain Fournier
Re: IFT-4 FAA approval	Snidely
Re: IFT-4 FAA approval	Alain Fournier
Re: IFT-4 FAA approval	The Running Man
Re: IFT-4 FAA approval	Snidely
Re: IFT-4 FAA approval	Alain Fournier
Re: IFT-4 FAA approval	The Running Man
Re: IFT-4 FAA approval	Snidely
Re: IFT-4 FAA approval	Snidely