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* Hubble to operated in one-gyroSnidely
`* Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyroThe Running Man
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 `- Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyroNiklas Holsti

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Subject: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
From: Snidely
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 21:30 UTC
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From: snidely.too@gmail.com (Snidely)
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Subject: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
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Per NASA newsconference, HST will begin operating in one-gyro mode.
Three gryos are dead, the three improved gyros are still operating but
one has been giving bad data from time to time, causing safe-mode
operations. This will be kept offline as "from time to time" becomes
more frequent.

Hubble annual operations about $95 million.

(The improvement is in corrosion resistance.)

(Questions were asked about the proposed Polaris reboost mission)

NASA participants were Mark Clampin, director of the Astrophysics
Division of the Science Mission Directorate, and Patrick Crouse,
project manager of Hubble Space Telescope at Goddard. About 6 minutes
of prepared presentation, and the remaining time, about 35 minutes, for
Q&A.

BTW, for an interview with Mark Clampin, especially looking forward to
the Habitable Worlds Observatory, see Dr Smethhurst's channel ...
<URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEWaK3hFZwk>
<URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2JIkAPcdnU>

/dps

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Subject: Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
From: The Running Man
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
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On 04/06/2024 14:30 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
> Per NASA newsconference, HST will begin operating in one-gyro mode.
> Three gryos are dead, the three improved gyros are still operating but
> one has been giving bad data from time to time, causing safe-mode
> operations. This will be kept offline as "from time to time" becomes
> more frequent.
>
> Hubble annual operations about $95 million.
>
> (The improvement is in corrosion resistance.)
>
> (Questions were asked about the proposed Polaris reboost mission)
>

I very much doubt Hubble can be repaired by a Polaris (Crew Dragon) mission since they don't have a platform to attach Dragon to Hubble. Also, who's going to pay for all this? Isaacman is conjuring up this mission but I'm pretty sure he's not going to pay it out of his own pocket.

Subject: Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
From: Snidely
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 14:45 UTC
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From: snidely.too@gmail.com (Snidely)
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Subject: Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
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The Running Man blurted out:
> On 04/06/2024 14:30 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Per NASA newsconference, HST will begin operating in one-gyro mode.
>> Three gryos are dead, the three improved gyros are still operating but
>> one has been giving bad data from time to time, causing safe-mode
>> operations. This will be kept offline as "from time to time" becomes
>> more frequent.
>>
>> Hubble annual operations about $95 million.
>>
>> (The improvement is in corrosion resistance.)
>>
>> (Questions were asked about the proposed Polaris reboost mission)
>>
>
> I very much doubt Hubble can be repaired by a Polaris (Crew Dragon) mission
> since they don't have a platform to attach Dragon to Hubble.

Hubble has what might be considered a docking adapter, fitted on the
lst servicing mission. How Dragon would use it is part of the TBDs
Clampin says need to be filled in before NASA would be giving the
go-ahead. And if the mission includes attaching external gyros to
Hubble, those would have to be developed.

> Also, who's
> going to pay for all this?

NASA would be paying for it, as they would for a de-orbit mission.

> Isaacman is conjuring up this mission but I'm
> pretty sure he's not going to pay it out of his own pocket.

No, but I bet he's paying for some of the early planning.

/dps

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Subject: Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
From: Niklas Holsti
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On 2024-06-05 15:26, The Running Man wrote:
> On 04/06/2024 14:30 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Per NASA newsconference, HST will begin operating in one-gyro
>> mode. Three gryos are dead, the three improved gyros are still
>> operating but one has been giving bad data from time to time,
>> causing safe-mode operations. This will be kept offline as "from
>> time to time" becomes more frequent.
>>
>> Hubble annual operations about $95 million.
>>
>> (The improvement is in corrosion resistance.)
>>
>> (Questions were asked about the proposed Polaris reboost mission)
>>
>
> I very much doubt Hubble can be repaired by a Polaris (Crew Dragon)
> mission since they don't have a platform to attach Dragon to Hubble.

The Polaris mission is for reboost, not repair. At the NASA news
conference, NASA said they believe that thanks to the improved
corrosion-resistant gyros, Hubble can very likely operate in the
one-gyro mode to the end of the 2020's, and has about a 70% chance of
operating into the low 2030's (IIRC). So a repair does not seem very urgent.

Subject: Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
From: Snidely
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From: snidely.too@gmail.com (Snidely)
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Subject: Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 12:16:37 -0700
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With a quizzical look, Snidely observed:
> The Running Man blurted out:
>> On 04/06/2024 14:30 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Per NASA newsconference, HST will begin operating in one-gyro mode. Three
>>> gryos are dead, the three improved gyros are still operating but one has
>>> been giving bad data from time to time, causing safe-mode operations.
>>> This will be kept offline as "from time to time" becomes more frequent.
>>>
>>> Hubble annual operations about $95 million.
>>>
>>> (The improvement is in corrosion resistance.)
>>>
>>> (Questions were asked about the proposed Polaris reboost mission)
>>>
>>
>> I very much doubt Hubble can be repaired by a Polaris (Crew Dragon) mission
>> since they don't have a platform to attach Dragon to Hubble.
>
> Hubble has what might be considered a docking adapter, fitted on the lst
> servicing mission. How Dragon would use it is part of the TBDs Clampin says
> need to be filled in before NASA would be giving the go-ahead. And if the
> mission includes attaching external gyros to Hubble, those would have to be
> developed.
>
>> Also, who's going to pay for all this?
>
> NASA would be paying for it, as they would for a de-orbit mission.

I seem to be wrong about this.

>> Isaacman is conjuring up this mission but I'm pretty sure he's not going to
>> pay it out of his own pocket.
>
> No, but I bet he's paying for some of the early planning.

Perhaps SpaceX and Isaacman are sharing the bill.

Isaacman discusses NASA's response with Ellie In Space:

<URL:https://youtu.be/HCd6hvmEJ2U?t=1068>

While Clampin seems open to the proposal "eventually", he seems
confident that Hubble will keep going into the 2030s, and that too many
details need to be worked out to justify rushing into a solution. But
Isaacman thinks NASA is not being completely candid about Hubble's
health and that the current solar maximum reduces the time available.

/dps

--
Trust, but verify.

Subject: Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
From: Snidely
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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:32 UTC
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From: snidely.too@gmail.com (Snidely)
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Subject: Re: Hubble to operated in one-gyro
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On Friday, Snidely exclaimed wildly:
> With a quizzical look, Snidely observed:
>> The Running Man blurted out:
>>> On 04/06/2024 14:30 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Per NASA newsconference, HST will begin operating in one-gyro mode.
>>>> Three gryos are dead, the three improved gyros are still operating but
>>>> one has been giving bad data from time to time, causing safe-mode
>>>> operations. This will be kept offline as "from time to time" becomes
>>>> more frequent.
>>>>
>>>> Hubble annual operations about $95 million.
>>>>
>>>> (The improvement is in corrosion resistance.)
>>>>
>>>> (Questions were asked about the proposed Polaris reboost mission)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I very much doubt Hubble can be repaired by a Polaris (Crew Dragon)
>>> mission since they don't have a platform to attach Dragon to Hubble.
>>
>> Hubble has what might be considered a docking adapter, fitted on the lst
>> servicing mission. How Dragon would use it is part of the TBDs Clampin
>> says need to be filled in before NASA would be giving the go-ahead. And if
>> the mission includes attaching external gyros to Hubble, those would have
>> to be developed.
>>
>>> Also, who's going to pay for all this?
>>
>> NASA would be paying for it, as they would for a de-orbit mission.
>
> I seem to be wrong about this.
>
>>> Isaacman is conjuring up this mission but I'm pretty sure he's not going
>>> to pay it out of his own pocket.
>>
>> No, but I bet he's paying for some of the early planning.
>
> Perhaps SpaceX and Isaacman are sharing the bill.
>
> Isaacman discusses NASA's response with Ellie In Space:
>
> <URL:https://youtu.be/HCd6hvmEJ2U?t=1068>
>
> While Clampin seems open to the proposal "eventually", he seems confident
> that Hubble will keep going into the 2030s, and that too many details need to
> be worked out to justify rushing into a solution. But Isaacman thinks NASA
> is not being completely candid about Hubble's health and that the current
> solar maximum reduces the time available.
>

I think Eric Berger feels the biggest push-back came from the Astronaut
Office. He spent some time chatting with NSF hosts before Flight 4

[One way to maybe resolve that would be to include NASA astronauts on
the Polaris Hubble crew, seems to me.]

/dps

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